plaetton:


Baloney, baloney.
So you don't how god supposedly works his stuff?

There is no need for conjectures here.
The simple evident truth is that dispute megatons of prayer powers directed at the skies everyday, when natural disasters strike, there is no god to prevent or at the least , wrap people in protective bubble that save's them from injuries and death.

If god is helpless from natural disasters, as you just admitted, then why do people place faith in god to protect them from such sudden disasters in the first place ?

trash, go and read my post again. What I am saying is this, I don't know this people if they are believers or not, only God knows, but one thing for sure, God will protect thoes who trust in him.

Ovacoma:

you are a wise man. The blind don't see the Truth.

God bless you my good friend.

@malvisguy212: 8:08pm

RoyPCain:
@malvisguy212; malvisguy212: 4:18pm

unfortunately isis, boko haram, etc are muslims in the same way the spanish inquisitors were christianis, same way hitler, mussollini were christians. each those who are in their religion say they are by name, only.


but your christian brethren tweeting are better that hitler, while they behave like him except using the gun and gas chamber.

i am different from isis, boko haraam and all my effort is measure, implementing by this type of dialogue with you to open your mind, but never will stump on you if you down, thinking this is the best time to hit you with religious blows.

[b]All the people may be christians but we all know they fight for political purpose,[/b]infacte most of the people that died are christians, hitler killed Jews, infacte Jews are the highest he killed. Isis and boko haram are busy killing christians and forcing women,men ,children to convert or die. So all what you write is trash.

if i tell you the likes of isis, boko haram, etc, taliban, alqaidah, are political and they kill muslims, too, are we okay since the loss of life is not a concern of yours as long as you see christianity on top? you are what i call by hook or crook; the process/methodology doesn't matter as long as you achieve your object kind of person. Allah says in Surah Baqarah verse 256 that there is no compulsion in religion. lets take it to mean no compulsion to Islam. the time of its revelation was when the jews of madina were told to leave instead of being killed since the chief of hypocrites ubaid ibn salun claimed to be their ally. the arab tribes in madina saw the jews before hijra as better people so when they will pray to Allah to give them sons which they didn't have before, they dedicate the sons to the care of the jew tribe and the children though arab by blood, but grows up as jews in every respect including religion, language and culture. when they were being sacked out of madina, this was before khaibah, the arabs now muslims wanted their 'jewish children' back instead of the sons leaving madina with their jewish brethren.

Allah revealed the verse mentioned to let the muslims parents know that you can force them out of judaism into islam since you actually created the 'jewry' in them, except they revert into islam from their heart, remaining behind like those who reverted at the point or before being expelled.

your argument is always slanted and it could have been acceptable except that the Book of God is Quran and this is my stand; Allah is my Lord, Islam is my religion, Quran is the absolute word of God and the prophet [SA] is absolutely a prophet.

RoyPCain:
@malvisguy212: 8:08pm

if i tell you the likes of isis, boko haram, etc, taliban, alqaidah, are political and they kill muslims, too, are we okay since the loss of life is not a concern of yours as long as you see christianity on top? you are what i call by hook or crook; the process/methodology doesn't matter as long as you achieve your object kind of person. Allah says in Surah Baqarah verse 256 that there is no compulsion in religion. lets take it to mean no compulsion to Islam. the time of its revelation was when the jews of madina were told to leave instead of being killed since the chief of hypocrites ubaid ibn salun claimed to be their ally. the arab tribes in madina saw the jews before hijra as better people so when they will pray to Allah to give them sons which they didn't have before, they dedicate the sons to the care of the jew tribe and the children though arab by blood, but grows up as jews in every respect including religion, language and culture. when they were being sacked out of madina, this was before khaibah, the arabs now muslims wanted their 'jewish children' back instead of the sons leaving madina with their jewish brethren.

Allah revealed the verse mentioned to let the muslims parents know that you can force them out of judaism into islam since you actually created the 'jewry' in them, except they revert into islam from their heart, remaining behind like those who reverted at the point or before being expelled.

your argument is always slanted and it could have been acceptable except that the Book of God is Quran and this is my stand; Allah is my Lord, Islam is my religion, Quran is the absolute word of God and the prophet [SA] is absolutely a prophet.

if you say Isis and boko haram are fighting for political reason,I will not argue you, but ONE thing we all know, this people forced convert? Is it not for the good of muslims if an unbeliever convert? and by the way, which political group have you ever seen forced it's victim to convert to another religion? Does it sound like political issue? I accepts Isis and boko haram may be political reason but there main agenda is religion, to multiple Islam hence the convert.

@malvisguy212; political christianity [spanish royalty of fernandez and isabella of inquisition], muslims who by fear in crusade became christians, if it happened, do you think the new christian would have been killed as the crusaders killed the muslims? how about the christian missionary in time of colonization with bible in one hand and gun in another, telling the people to become christians before having education. it happened in ijebuland. imagine what got the igbos to christianity when their okija is still there and osu which is part of it is still alive, today.

i submit to you that you can say whatever you want about islam to put it down, while you will ignore even worse about christianity. Alhamdulillah. islam will not be in the gutter you wished it to be. i saw a video of children in afghanistan that the christians teach from korea or so pushing Jesus as "God" into the tongue of little innocent muslim children. that is sickness and worst type of deception.

Desmond Tutu on Christian Missionaries in Africa

malvisguy212:
trash, go and read my post again. What I am saying is this, I don't know this people if they are believers or not, only God knows, but one thing for sure, God will protect thoes who trust in him.

And I asked you before, does god only protect believers?
Simple yes or no would suffice.

plaetton:


And I asked you before, does god only protect believers?
Simple yes or no would suffice.

God protect believers and when disaster come upon the wicked God will not intervene because they have been living without the knowledge of knowing God.

malvisguy212:
God protect believers and when disaster come upon the wicked God will not intervene because they have been living without the knowledge of knowing God.

So, according to you,
The 115 killed at TB Joshua's church were unbelievers?
And all those 10,000 killed in the Philippines last year were also unbelievers?
And the victims of boko haram church bombings were also unbelievers?
And 30 million European Christians killed by the bubonic plague were unbelievers?

Empiree:
Desmond Tutu on Christian Missionaries in Africa

I'm really surprised at the hypocrisy of the muslims on this thread.


They point out that some christians were exploiting the earthquake to promote their religion. That is true. The tweets shoeing how dubious some christians are there. But then there are muslim tweets just as bad.

Then, I see Rilwayne001, empiree and co, claiming evil things about christian evangelism. As if there aren't videos of Dawah guys using dubious means for islamic evangelism.


For the christian crusades, there were islamic holy wars. For every Hitler, there is an Osama bin Laden.


European Christians took slaves from Africa....Arab muslims took slaves from Africa.


Both our religions have good and bad people. Let us not point fingers.

There are good christians and good muslims. There are bad christians and bad muslims

AllNaijaBlogger:

Both our religions have good and bad people. Let us not point fingers.

There are good christians and good muslims. There are bad christians and bad muslims

^ I agree with the above.

NB: I'm not an hypocrite.

AllNaijaBlogger:



I'm really surprised at the hypocrisy of the muslims on this thread.


They point out that some christians were exploiting the earthquake to promote their religion. That is true. The tweets shoeing how dubious some christians are there. But then there are muslim tweets just as bad.

Then, I see Rilwayne001, empiree and co, claiming evil things about christian evangelism. As if there aren't videos of Dawah guys using dubious means for islamic evangelism.


For the christian crusades, there were islamic holy wars. For every Hitler, there is an Osama bin Laden.


European Christians took slaves from Africa....Arab muslims took slaves from Africa.


Both our religions have good and bad people. Let us not point fingers.

There are good christians and good muslims. There are bad christians and bad muslims

Marvelous, bloody marvelous!. Even empiree and rilwayne001 can't even post something like this.

All they do is poke holes and believe their religion is the best thing ever fashioned by man!.

joseph1832:
Marvelous, bloody marvelous!. Even empiree and rilwayne001 can't even post something like this.

All they do is poke holes and believe their religion is the best thing ever fashioned by man!.

What is it that I can't post in his post?

AllNaijaBlogger:



I'm really surprised at the hypocrisy of the muslims on this thread.


They point out that some christians were exploiting the earthquake to promote their religion. That is true. The tweets shoeing how dubious some christians are were there. But then there are muslim tweets just as bad.

Then, I see Rilway.ne001, emp.iree and co, claiming evil things about christian evangelism. As if there aren't videos of Dawah guys using dubious means for islamic evangelism.


For the christian crusades, there were islamic holy wars. For every Hitler, there is an Osama bin Laden.


European Christians took slaves from Africa....Arab muslims took slaves from Africa.


Both our religions have good and bad people. Let us not point fingers.

There are good christians and good muslims. There are bad christians and bad muslims

Clap For Yourself.
Lol.....I just posted the pix merely in response to this thread. I dont have time for what those christians are doing or intend to do in NEPAL. Actually, I dont see how this is hypocrisy. Well, how are you doing man. I thought you went to the Masjid already after I sent you shivering on rilwayne001's thread?. What are you still doing in Christianity?.

joseph1832:
Marvelous, bloody marvelous!. Even empiree and rilwayne001 can't even post something like this.

All they do is poke holes and believe their religion is the best thing ever fashioned by man!.

I was like that before. I used to put my religion before anything else.


But then, I grew up to see the humanity before the religion.


If one is not willing to see the good in both believers and unbelievers, then religion becomes myopic.


The worst thing any believer can do is to point at the wrongs in another person's religion while covering up the wrong done in his or her own religion.

joseph1832:
Marvelous, bloody marvelous!. Even empi.ree and rilwayn.e001 can't even post something like this.

All they do is poke holes and believe their religion is the best thing ever fashioned by man!.

Yes, it is if you care to know. Next.....

I only posted the pix. Weiting concern me with missionaries. Dont know how I am hypocrite for posting the pix. Haba...exonerate me jo

Empiree:
Clap For Yourself.
Lol.....I just posted the pix merely in response to this thread. I dont have time for what those christian are doing or intend to do in NEPAL. Actually, I dont see how this is hypocrisy. Well, how are you doing man. I thought you went to the Masjid already after I sent you shivering on rilwayne001's thread?. What are you still doing in Christianity?.

It is not about winning the argument- winning the soul and respect is far more important.

I choose to win people over by my actions and not by bashing other religions.


You can't win me over because you are not mature in your own religion.

I have caught you more than once lying and using dubious means to argue for your religion whenever I ask you for answers

AllNaijaBlogger:



It is not about winning the argument- winning the soul and respect is far more important.

I choose to win people over by my actions and not by bashing other religions.


You can't win me over because you are not mature in your own religion.

I have caught you more than once lying and using dubious means to argue for your religion whenever I ask you for answers

Weiting i no go hear from you. Your definition of what you considered false is lame, very lame. I remember you said it actually and I asked you to show me where I lied?. This is what you said:

AllNaijaBlogger:

You lied about Bernard Shaw praising islam. I caught you clean and clear.

https://www.nairaland.com/2153126/top-ten-signs-youre-fundamentalist/10


I was surprised that's what you could come up with, remember?. I thought you wanted to say I lied about islam, our prophet, Jesus etc. Now you brought it up here again. You are a very funny brother. The thing is, you seem to be liberal christian. You deserved to be approached differently from bigots. You are not one of them.

You dont understand Islam at all. When it comes to natural disaster like this (Nepal), religion doesnt come first. Islam doesnt come first. You should just help people on humanitarian ground....no string attached. Whether victims are muslims or not. However there is nothing wrong introducing your religion at a later time. Non-muslims are not the same. There are three types of them mentioned in the Qur'an. And sorry, Islam doesnt have evil in it unless you do not understand.

When you said others(bigots) "exposed" evil in my religion, did you care to cross check with us (muslims)?. No, you believe what your fellow coreligionists said about islam. That doesnt make them right.

And no, you conceded defeat in that thread cus you just simply could not provide simple and direct answer.

Religion breeds psychopaths!

malvisguy212:

25
since you disregard all my advice
and do not accept my rebuke,
26
I in turn will laugh when disaster strikes
you;
I will mock when calamity overtakes you—
27
when calamity overtakes you like a storm,
when disaster sweeps over you like a
whirlwind,
when distress and trouble overwhelm
you

Lol,,,,,,,,,, this your god has a childish character.

plaetton:


So, according to you,
The 115 killed at TB Joshua's church were unbelievers?
And all those 10,000 killed in the Philippines last year were also unbelievers?
And the victims of boko haram church bombings were also unbelievers?
And 30 million European Christians killed by the bubonic plague were unbelievers?

The lord works in mysterious ways .

plaetton:


So, according to you,
The 115 killed at TB Joshua's church were unbelievers?
And all those 10,000 killed in the Philippines last year were also unbelievers?
And the victims of boko haram church bombings were also unbelievers?
And 30 million European Christians killed by the bubonic plague were unbelievers?

yes, God also allow believers to die. The early, untimely death of loved ones is difficult to
understand emotionally, since we have come to expect that everybody lives at least 70 years. The answer is likely to be
different for different individuals. The Bible does give some reasons for early death. The Bible says that the early death of the righteous is often done to save them from evil that would have been inflicted on them by the unrighteous.9 Of course, the early
death of the unrighteous spares the
world from further evil and spares the
unrighteous one from even more punishment that he would have to suffer as a result of his actions.Death is the only means by which the spirit of people can enter into the presence of God. In fact, God rejoices in the death of those who love Him, since they can enter directly into His presence at that time.

malvisguy212:
yes, God also allow believers to die. The early, untimely death of loved ones is difficult to
understand emotionally, since we have come to expect that everybody lives at least 70 years. The answer is likely to be
different for different individuals. The Bible does give some reasons for early death. The Bible says that the early death of the righteous is often done to save them from evil that would have been inflicted on them by the unrighteous.9 Of course, the early
death of the unrighteous spares the
world from further evil and spares the
unrighteous one from even more punishment that he would have to suffer as a result of his actions.Death is the only means by which the spirit of people can enter into the presence of God. In fact, God rejoices in the death of those who love Him, since they can enter directly into His presence at that time.

same you said this..

malvisguy212:
God protect believers and when disaster come upon the wicked God will not intervene because they have been living without the knowledge of knowing God.

i don't think more need saying. . . Your words alone are enough and have said it all... Contradicting yourself anyhow..
This whatvyou get when someone wants to determine and dictates what he thinks is the mind of a mythical entity.

johnydon22:


same you said this..



i don't think more need saying. . . Your words alone are enough and have said it all... Contradicting yourself anyhow..
This whatvyou get when someone wants to determine and dictates what he thinks is the mind of a mythical entity.

do I need to teach you how to used common sense?( Sorry) have you not seen believers died ? Is another way of God protecting the believers for the denger ahead , enouch was obedient to God, why dint God destroyed the wicked and Allow enouch to live as he did to Noah? God protect the believers and some he called them home.

malvisguy212:
yes, God also allow believers to die. The early, untimely death of loved ones is difficult to
understand emotionally, since we have come to expect that everybody lives at least 70 years. The answer is likely to be
different for different individuals. The Bible does give some reasons for early death. The Bible says that the early death of the righteous is often done to save them from evil that would have been inflicted on them by the unrighteous.9 Of course, the early
death of the unrighteous spares the
world from further evil and spares the
unrighteous one from even more punishment that he would have to suffer as a result of his actions.Death is the only means by which the spirit of people can enter into the presence of God. In fact, God rejoices in the death of those who love Him, since they can enter directly into His presence at that time.

Gosh.
You are so disingenuous.
This is biggest pile of dung I have seen in long time.
How do you manage to contradict yourself and still keep a straight face?

Firstly, unbeliever and unrighteousness are not the same.
Just because you don't believe in Santa doesn't automatically make you a naughty boy.

Again, to remind you here, we are talking about calamities that destroy and kill multitudes at once, not just early death of an individual.

Secondly, you say that God doesn't save the unbelievers. This would mean that god does save the believers from calamity.

Now, you again saying that god allows calamities to befall both the believer and the unbeliever, but for different reasons.
Lol.
For example, according to you, god let's calamities befall believers for their own good, to save them from backsliding into sin.

You are confused.

you have a 4g connection from where?

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