malvisguy212:
you are making your self and atheism look evil and heartless,hitler killed 6million Jews to you it wasn't an evil but a concept,seriously? Is this what atheism teaches you? I nod my head for you.

Joshua utterly killed and destroyed sixty cities to you it wasn't an evil but a will of god.

johnydon22:

Like i always say; Morality and immorality are all human because it takes human actions and mind to recognize. No one is inherently good or evil, your actions makes it discernable. . if it is evil or good.

Dawkins himself put it what is my business with that? am i Dawkins?. . Dawkins ideologies are not mine same way mine are not his. . .

If you studied chemistry you would understand what a molecule means.

Humans are biological entities....

My question remains; How do you recognize actions as evil and good?
Is this not from your mind based on empathy and compassion or is it from the bible?

According to Tibetian psychology, one's mind is pure until delusions come in (due to eating of fruit by Adam), like rivers, this thoughts flow, it is to you to either fuel them or make them leave as they have entered. Through meditation, love and compassion for sentient beings and most importantly through the fear of God (I speak as a Christian), we can let go of negative attributes that 'trick' our mind and go for the positive ones which are for our good and other sentient beings.

Misogynist2014:
According to Tibetian psychology, one's mind is pure until delusions come in (due to eating of fruit by Adam), like rivers, this thoughts flow, it is to you to either fuel them or make them leave as they have entered. Through meditation, love and compassion for sentient beings and most importantly through the fear of God (I speak as a Christian), we can let go of negative attributes that 'trick' our mind and go for the positive ones which are for our good and other sentient beings.

Well sir, I am sure Tibetan psychology didn't take evolution into consideration before propounding such.
Evil can best understood if we accept that man is first an animal that has been evolving to a higher state of consciousness.
The lymbic system of brain is evidence of our primordial beastly origins.
As we evolved, our neural circuitry and neural interactions increased exponentially.
As the complexity of neural interactions occurred in leaps over the eons, we began to evolve a newer areas of the brain with different neural impulses that counter , check make and rollback the more primitive impulses of limbic region.
This is the evolution of reason. This is evolution of learning and applying knowledge. This is the evolution of thinking productively. This is the evolution of social interactions.
Now, the human has a mind with two separate and distinct hemispheres, working seamlessly in dynamic opposition to each other.

In one hemisphere we have the primitive limbic region where the animal impulses reign supreme. There is the domain of greed, averice, selfishness, survival of fittest, violence, all things that have to do with satisfaction of the primitive impulses, the ego, fear and terror. These are the things we that we refer to as evil.
This hemisphere is impervious to abstract ideas or compromise. It deals exclusively with absolutes. It thrives on the NOW.
Ironically, it is the domain, though not the birthplace , of religion.

On the other hemisphere, this is the more recently evolved region from whence comes reason, sympathy, abstract ideas, contemplation. This region does not deal with absolutes, but with possibilities.
This is where neural impulses which try to counter, override or annul the primitive impulses of the much older limbic system originate.

The eternal tug of war between the two hemispheres of the human brain is the archetypal eternal battle between good and evil.

Is is the total sum of neural exchanges, the give and takes between the primitive and rational hemispheres of the human brain that determine the person's propensity for GOOD or EVIL.

Thus, good and evil are internal potentials that every human possesses, and not external agents or forces.

Genetics, societal norms, education and peculiar circumstances push humans in one direction or the other at any given time.

Self-awareness would appear to be the first effective starting point for the conquest of Evil.
"Man, know thyself".

In conclusion, I quote an unknown great man who once said,
" Though you may conquer a thousand armies, the conquest of SELF ( the primitive impulses) is the greatest conquest of all "

plaetton:

Well sir, I am sure Tibetan psychology didn't take evolution into consideration before propounding such.
Evil can best understood if we accept that man is first an animal that has been evolving to a higher state of consciousness.
The lymbic system of brain is evidence of our primordial beastly origins.
As we evolved, our neural circuitry and neural interactions increased exponentially.
As the complexity of neural interactions occurred in leaps over the eons, we began to evolve a newer areas of the brain with different neural impulses that counter , check make and rollback the more primitive impulses of limbic region.
This is the evolution of reason. This is evolution of learning and applying knowledge. This is the evolution of thinking productively. This is the evolution of social interactions.
Now, the human has a mind with two separate and distinct hemispheres, working seamlessly in dynamic opposition to each other.

In one hemisphere we have the primitive limbic region where the animal impulses reign supreme. There is the domain of greed, averice, selfishness, survival of fittest, violence, all things that have to do with satisfaction of the primitive impulses, the ego, fear and terror. These are the things we that we refer to as evil.
This hemisphere is impervious to abstract ideas or compromise. It deals exclusively with absolutes. It thrives on the NOW.
Ironically, it is the domain, though not the birthplace , of religion.

On the other hemisphere, this is the more recently evolved region from whence comes reason, sympathy, abstract ideas, contemplation. This region does not deal with absolutes, but with possibilities.
This is where neural impulses which try to counter, override or annul the primitive impulses of the much older limbic system originate.

The eternal tug of war between the two hemispheres of the human brain is the archetypal eternal battle between good and evil.

Is is the total sum of neural exchanges, the give and takes between the primitive and rational hemispheres of the human brain that determine the person's propensity for GOOD or EVIL.

Thus, good and evil are internal potentials that every human possesses, and not external agents or forces.

Genetics, societal norms, education and peculiar circumstances push humans in one direction or the other at any given time.

Self-awareness would appear to be the first effective starting point for the conquest of Evil.
"Man, know thyself".

In conclusion, I quote an unknown great man who once said,
" Though you many conquer a thousand armies, the conquest of SELF ( the primitive impulses) is the greatest conquest of all "

Beautiful rubbish

Misogynist2014:
Beautiful rubbish

Lol.
Thanks for the compliment.

plaetton:


Was the biblical Joshua evil ?
He coveted, invaded, burnt, looted and genocided the people of Jericho all in one o.rg.y of violence.
Was he evil or not ?

Also, kindly tell us if animals are capable of, or impervious to evil.
Which animals you think are evil, and which do you think are not ?

Johnny say evil was a concept, I want to hear your own view first.

wordcat:


Joshua utterly killed and destroyed sixty cities to you it wasn't an evil but a will of god.

Joshua has don what he did, ok, does evil exist?

frank317:


Oh please... I feel so embarrassed reading your posts. Sooo off point.

What do u mean by he is insisting? Insisting on what? Why is it hard for you to make sense of what he is saying.

Go back and read your op and see the senselessness in it. Evil exists so your God exist... And someone is making you understand that evil is a concept. Its a word we use to describe and undesired hurtful act meted on us or to others by our fellow humans. It is not a being or an object. Now how can the presence of this concept prove your God exists? Is your God a concept too?

Isn't it funny that you guys are trying so hard to establish that your almigthy God that created the whole world, the God of Abraham that sent his only son to die for us exists?

How can a being have all these attributes yet proving his existence only has to do with feelings and manipulation of words. Now u are using evil to proof your all loving God.

Me think the presence of evil should make u see he does not exist.

If your God cannot prove himself to anyone.... Then perhaps he does not want to be seen. Ya all should leave the poor guy alone instead of making a mockery of him in the name of trying to prove his existence like he is crippled up there in heaven.

Pls what exactly is the purpose of believing God exists? How does that change anything?

you sooo arrogance and aggressive, you say evil is a concept, meaning God has nothing to do with the evil that befall man.

dalaman:


Do you feel sorry or regret when you do good to people? You only regret your actions and feel sorry after offending people and doing them bad. That according to the bible was what God did. He did bad amd felt sorry (regretted his action).

after I provide a link that answer your question, you are still repeating the same thing . Smh

malvisguy212:
Joshua has don what he did, ok, does evil exist?

Evil remains a concept as Johnydon22 has rightly said.
Hitler and his followers justified their action in the same way you and your fellow christians justified the killing of about 42 innocent children just because they make jest of a prophet.

malvisguy212:
Johnny say evil was a concept, I want to hear your own view first.

woooow seriously am surprised. . . so after all the discussions you still do not grasp what a concept is all about... OK let me break it down to primary level, lets hope you get it this time.

a moral act: is an act that decreases individual human suffering and/or betters the societal well being, freedom, justice and equality.

an immoral act: is an act that increases individual human suffering and is a detriment to societal well being, freedom, justice and equality.

Now if you give a coin to a begging poor man, it is easy to discern this action falls on the scope of a moral act therefore is good.

If you steal a coin from a begging poor man, it negates the action of giving to the poor man. and it is easy to discern that taking from the poor man falls of the scope of an immoral act therefore is evil.

It takes a human mind to distinguish between the two actions...

malvisguy212:
Joshua has don what he did, ok, does evil exist?

Evil is not an entity or a thing for crying out loud...

The moral/immoral weight of your action bears determines if it is evil or good.

malvisguy212:
Johnny say evil was a concept, I want to hear your own view first.

Lol.
Didn't you just read the beautiful rubbish I posted ?

The two hemispheres of your brain accommodate both good and evil, God and Satan, waging an internal and eternal war to dominate you, your thoughts, impulses and actions.

Evil is a concept ,because, just like good, it is the externalization of the dynamics of neural impulses.

That's why I asked you whether animals are evil or not.
If evil was a real thing, then animals and other living species would also be subject to its machinations.

Animals are neither evil or influenced by evil because evil is a purely human CONCEPT.

wordcat:


Evil remains a concept as Johnydon22 has rightly said.
Hitler and his followers justified their action in the same way you and your fellow christians justified the killing of about 42 innocent children just because they make jest of a prophet.

Exactly but that still doesnt make those actions to bear any immoral weight no matter how hard they try to justify them. . . it still remain a despicable and immoral act. . . therefore evil.

plaetton:

Lol.
Didn't you just read the beautiful rubbish I posted ?

The two hemispheres of your brain accommodate both good and evil, God and Satan, waging an internal and eternal war to dominate you, your thoughts, impulses and actions.

Evil is a concept ,because, just like good, it is the externalization of the dynamics of neural impulses.

That's why I asked you whether animals are evil or not.
If evil was a real thing, then animals and other living species would also be subject to its machinations.

Animals are neither evil or influenced by evil because evil is a purely human CONCEPT.

No be small o, the guy thinks evil is a thing or an entity. . . ask him to give an example of evil instead of showing us the entity or thing like he thinks evil is, he points at human actions.

Showing evil/good are actions but still he argues like a primary school student.

plaetton:

Lol.
Didn't you just read the beautiful rubbish I posted ?

The two hemispheres of your brain accommodate both good and evil, God and Satan, waging an internal and eternal war to dominate you, your thoughts, impulses and actions.

Evil is a concept ,because, just like good, it is the externalization of the dynamics of neural impulses.

That's why I asked you whether animals are evil or not.
If evil was a real thing, then animals and other living species would also be subject to its machinations.

Animals are neither evil or influenced by evil because evil is a purely human CONCEPT.

I read the post. Do you agreed evil got nothing to do with God ? Since evil is a concept.

malvisguy212:
I read the post. Do you agreed evil got nothing to do with God ? Since evil is a concept.

How will an atheist even think evil has anything to do with a mythical being he doesnt share a belief in.. is this the way ur brain works . . you theist share that ideology. .

Prove your god exists first before attributing anything to it. . be it evil or good or event that happens.

johnydon22:


Exactly but that still doesnt make those actions to bear any immoral weight no matter how hard they try to justify them. . . it still remain a despicable and immoral act. . . therefore evil.

I hope they're reading

plaetton:

Lol.
Thanks for the compliment.

The fact is that no matter how much scientific your post looks to you, it still doesn't mean it is pure truth, rather it's based on 'what must have been' and not 'what was'. It requires faith to believe (substance of things hoped for, evidence of things not seen) . My emphasis added. Morality isn't a set rule, to some, violence is a way of life, a normal thing. To others it is evil. To some porn, abortion and divorce are normal. To others they aren't. But thanks be to God who shewed us what is good, who made sure it was written in the Injil and Torah, that it might never be changed nor manipulated by the traditions of man, that any who wishes to manipulate it is made föol. To you, your view is sufficient, to me, mine is, but wisdom is justified of her children.

malvisguy212

The objection raised by problem of evil is not aimed at the existence of God generally, but at the existence of an all powerful, all good, all knowing God. You can't use the existence of evil to attack atheism, which is the denial of the existence of more than just the all everything God. As a proof, you've done a sub par job. Back to the drawing board!

Pleatton,wordcat and Johnnydon.
Evil is a concept, God has nothing to do with it, man is responsible for the evil that befall him because of the choice he made.God decrees times of good things and times of judgment. God is not the author of evil.8 However, God does reward and punish on the basis of good and bad behavior. Therefore, God does bring judgment and calamity ( human authorities) .

johnydon22:


How will an atheist even think evil has anything to do with a mythical being he doesnt share a belief in.. is this the way ur brain works . . you theist share that ideology. .

Prove your god exists first before attributing anything to it. . be it evil or good or event that happens.

I see, you guys are missing the points, we are not talking about the existence of God, it's ATHEISM, social network dominated by atheists, when ever disaster befall man, atheists blame God.

malvisguy212:
I see, you guys are missing the points, we are not talking about the existence of God, it's ATHEISM, social network dominated by atheists, when ever disaster befall man, atheists blame God.

Atheist do not blame a mythical being that they dont share belief in..
Because we know it has to be in existence first before influencing anything.

Atheist tend to use that language when a theist starts thanking a god for some good fortunes, then an atheist points out the bad ones and ask why the god forgot that part too.. Hope you get the drift now

its like if i say, My dad just made rain fall in my house, and u will ask you, "then how come that your brother is having drought in his own house" ...

finofaya:
malvisguy212

The objection raised by problem of evil is not aimed at the existence of God generally, but at the existence of an all powerful, all good, all knowing God. You can't use the existence of evil to attack atheism, which is the denial of the existence of more than just the all everything God. As a proof, you've done a sub par job. Back to the drawing board!

agnostics? The opposite of Good is evil, and this thing cannot exist on his own, the points I am making is,"it's lead to a supernatural being" thank you.

malvisguy212:
I read the post. Do you agreed evil got nothing to do with God ? Since evil is a concept.

God is an expression of individual or the collective ideals of a group.
Evil is usually the lower levels of a set of ideals.
The negation of highly placed ideals are usually revered to or conflated with evil.

Isn't funny that your sacred scriptures, your god commits and encourages the perpetuation of many evils.

So, god and evil are the externalization of primitive impulses.

malvisguy212:
Pleatton,wordcat and Johnnydon.
Evil is a concept, God has nothing to do with it, man is responsible for the evil that befall him because of the choice he made.God decrees times of good things and times of judgment. God is not the author of evil.8 However, God does reward and punish on the basis of good and bad behavior. Therefore, God does bring judgment and calamity ( human authorities) .

But in the bible that you believe, your god says that he is the author of evil .
Pls take that up with your bible.

plaetton:


Evil is usually the lower levels of a set of ideals.
The negation of highly placed ideals are usually revered to or conflated with evil.

Isn't funny that your sacred scriptures, your god commits and encourages the perpetuation of many evils.

So, god and evil are the externalization of primitive impulses.

my question is not about God but evil, I am on my way home from work, I will reply this post.

malvisguy212:
Pleatton,wordcat and Johnnydon.
Evil is a concept, God has nothing to do with it, man is responsible for the evil that befall him because of the choice he made.God decrees times of good things and times of judgment. God is not the author of evil.8 However, God does reward and punish on the basis of good and bad behavior. Therefore, God does bring judgment and calamity ( human authorities) .

You were giving the following to read; Jeremiah 42:10, Amos 3:6, and Isaiah 45:7, why are u going contrary to what your bible said or are you saying that you know Yahweh more than the bible writers??

And someone also said that u need to prove the existence of your god first before attributing anything to him.

The OP is just another victim of semantics. Dawkin's and pretty much everyone else's use of the word 'evil' does not imply that it is some sorta entity. Basically something that is not advantageous to human survival is considered 'evil'. I fail to see how this 'disproves' atheism. If anything, the idea of objective morality is rather ridiculous and will spawn a thread soon.

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By the way, it's always good to give credit to the original writers, in this case Frank Turek.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/why-evil-disproves-atheism-132609/

malvisguy212:
agnostics? The opposite of Good is evil, and this thing cannot exist on his own, the points I am making is,"it's lead to a supernatural being" thank you.

Agnostic, yes. I hope that's okay.

I understand you, and I'm saying that all of that is based on the assumption that there is a good, powerful, prescient God. For example, I could argue that:

God cannot exist alongside good.

Good exists.

Therefore, God does not exist.

You can see that the existence of evil doesn't have to point to God. It all depends on what assumptions we make beforehand.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah so its even copy and paste, no wonder he couldn't defend it... Now i will be damned.. DProDG, you badt

malvisguy212:
you sooo arrogance and aggressive, you say evil is a concept, meaning God has nothing to do with the evil that befall man.

Yes.. God has nothing to do with anything. Why? Because he lives in ur head.