Minemrys:

yea there are many go0fs in winter soldier like how cap jumped out of the plane into the sea without getting wet at the begining of the film but to me, it and thor part 1 are my favourite mcu films so far. I hate guardians of the galaxy ehn.

Winter Soldier had goofs, but it far more better than Avengers: Powerlessness of Ultron. TWS is my best marvel film. Though IMO they messed up at the end. But those action scenes on the ship and on the bridge were breath-taking.

kay9:


This is why I don't like making comparisons between super heroes - they are products of the imaginations of more than one author/writer/artist/movie director, thus their attributes NEVER stay the same. Good example: in "Justice League: War", Superman beat Batman AND Green Lantern together, as in, the kind of "knacking" he gave both of them is best described as "dont be stup!d"! But from what i can glean from the BvS trailer, apparently Bats is going be able to hold his own here.

Personally though (and this is just my opinion), I think Bale's Batman was wee bit slow - the fight sequences left a bit to desired. The one fight in the trilogy that gets a true pass-mark is the BatsVsBane in the sewers. Well, Mr. Synder's job on MoS rates pretty good on fights, so I hope BvS will be ok.

EDIT: Wait, I take it back - Bale's Batman wasn't slow - i still remember how fast he took down the guys at the docks in Batman Begins. Then in TDK, he didn't really have much fight scenes (apart from the ending sequence that I couldn't make head or tail out of). So no, he wasn't really slow, it was the fight sequences that just seemed, i dunno, cluttered up, like it was glossed over.

yea i kn0w but glad you got my point.

Raalsalghul:
Winter Soldier had goofs, but it far more better than Avengers: Powerlessness of Ultron. TWS is my best marvel film. Though IMO they messed up at the end. But those action scenes on the ship and on the bridge were breath-taking.

yea likewise. There were less hum0rs and they came at the right time. Like when fury was attacked in his car, the only thing n0t damaged in it was the a.c very funny and the elevator scene hum0r plus the quote "if they are sh0oting at you, they are bad" would love if bats was tough as cap and a genius. That way he'll bring s0mething to the justice league unlike black widow. Still d0n't kn0w her job on the avengers other than l0ok sexy and being a w0man.

Am also worried about CA:CW. Just like D.C is being criticized for copying marvel by rushing Justice League. We must confess Marvel also copied CA:CWS from D.C's BvS. Now I know people are going to say the Russo's are good directors because of their work on CA:TWS but so was Joss Whedon until he made Avengers: Age of Boredom. Am concerned for that movie and also the fact that they are directing Avengers: Infinity Wars 1 and 2. Hope the fatigue doesn't get to them as it did to Joss Whedon.

Wow, I didn't know this thread will go this far.

kay9:


This is why I don't like making comparisons between super heroes - they are products of the imaginations of more than one author/writer/artist/movie director, thus their attributes NEVER stay the same. Good example: in "Justice League: War", Superman beat Batman AND Green Lantern together, as in, the kind of "knacking" he gave both of them is best described as "dont be stup!d"! But from what i can glean from the BvS trailer, apparently Bats is going be able to hold his own here.

Personally though (and this is just my opinion), I think Bale's Batman was wee bit slow - the fight sequences left a bit to desired. The one fight in the trilogy that gets a true pass-mark is the BatsVsBane in the sewers. Well, Mr. Synder's job on MoS rates pretty good on fights, so I hope BvS will be ok.

EDIT: Wait, I take it back - Bale's Batman wasn't slow - i still remember how fast he took down the guys at the docks in Batman Begins. Then in TDK, he didn't really have much fight scenes (apart from the ending sequence that I couldn't make head or tail out of). So no, he wasn't really slow, it was the fight sequences that just seemed, i dunno, cluttered up, like it was glossed over.

bale's batman was slow. Way too slow. Batman begins scene was cos the guys weren't prepared. Watch the fight with bane, the thugs in tdkr.

I can bet it that the Age of Ultron's storyline seem to be lifted from the movie, transcendence. Has anyone here watched transcendence and understood its storyline?

Minemrys:

yea likewise. There were less hum0rs and they came at the right time. Like when fury was attacked in his car, the only thing n0t damaged in it was the a.c very funny and the elevator scene hum0r plus the quote "if they are sh0oting at you, they are bad" would love if bats was tough as cap and a genius. That way he'll bring s0mething to the justice league unlike black widow. Still d0n't kn0w her job on the avengers other than l0ok sexy and being a w0man.

Raalsalghul:
Am also worried about CA:CW. Just like D.C is being criticized for copying marvel by rushing Justice League. We must confess Marvel also copied CA:CWS from D.C's BvS. Now I know people are going to say the Russo's are good directors because of their work on CA:TWS but so was Joss Whedon until he made Avengers: Age of Boredom. Am concerned for that movie and also the fact that they are directing Avengers: Infinity Wars 1 and 2. Hope the fatigue doesn't get to them as it did to Joss Whedon.

am telling you. That m0vie has spidey, b widow, stark, cap, falc0n, winter guy, cap marvel, agent of shield characterz, fury, hill, this and that. Well its the only film am l0oking forward to. As 4 infinity war, than0s? I d0n't kn0w than0s perhapz if his two elder brothers darkseid and apocalypse were to show first and deal with the justice league and x men, i might like him.

Minemrys:

bale's batman was slow. Way too slow. Batman begins scene was cos the guys weren't prepared. Watch the fight with bane, the thugs in tdkr.

If you are going to talk of his speed in TDKR, then you need to remember that he's SUPPOSED to be slow by then. And I'm not talking of comic book iterations. I take the character the way it is presented, and in TDKR he's supposed to be tired and retired.

TonySpike:
I can bet it that the Age of Ultron's storyline seem to be lifted from the movie, transcendence. Has anyone here watched transcendence and understood its storyline?

0nly heard of the film n0t seen it. L0oks interesting fr0m the name and actorz in it, how is it? Has any0ne seen insurgent?

kay9:


If you are going to talk of his speed in TDKR, then you need to remember that he's SUPPOSED to be slow by then. And I'm not talking of comic book iterations. I take the character the way it is presented, and in TDKR he's supposed to be tired and retired.

and thats what we d0n't want for the DCCU or in new batman m0viez. G0ne are the days when bats was slow. Even flash would m0ck bale's bateman for being the slowest guy on earth.

Minemrys:

0nly heard of the film n0t seen it. L0oks interesting fr0m the name and actorz in it, how is it? Has any0ne seen insurgent?

divergent, insurgent, whats that last one to be called again? detergent...?
Never really liked them "young teen" movies, lack real substance IMO. I made the mistake of reading the books back when folks were comparing hunger games, the maze, and divergent... Was a real bad idea.

Has anyone here watched the DC direct-to-video cartoon, Son of Batman, and it's sequel, Batman vs Robin? The latest storyline in the animated Batman universe is that the League of Assassin trained Batman's only son, who became the new Robin. The new Robin beat the hell out of Batman in Batman vs Robin. I hope it is produced as a movie later on...lol

kay9:


divergent, insurgent, whats that last one to be called again? detergent...?
Never really liked them "young teen" movies, lack real substance IMO. I made the mistake of reading the books back when folks were comparing hunger games, the maze, and divergent... Was a real bad idea.

really liked divergent though. 3rd one is allegiant.

TonySpike:
Has anyone here watched the DC direct-to-video cartoon, Son of Batman, and it's sequel, Batman vs Robin? The latest storyline in the animated Batman universe is that the League of Assassin trained Batman only son, who became the new Robin. The new Robin beat the hell out of BBatman in Batman vs Robin. I hope it is produced as a movie later on...lol

that is one script i pray they d0n't adapt. D0n't you see the crap? Too unrealistic and unentertaining. And the dccu is going for a universe steamed in realism. How can a child be robin? How can a father put a child of 8 or 10 in danger? How can a child beat the father who's trained? Robin is the character i hate m0st in batman c0mics and adaptati0ns cos of how its portrayed. Any film with batman and robin are crappy. Name any0ne and i thank God n0lan never used robin in the tdk verse. I hate that character.

kay9:


If you are going to talk of his speed in TDKR, then you need to remember that he's SUPPOSED to be slow by then. And I'm not talking of comic book iterations. I take the character the way it is presented, and in TDKR he's supposed to be tired and retired.

bro forget that stuff, bale was slow fr0m start to finish. It got disturbing in tdkr al0ng with the croaky cancer like voice. "WHERE'S THE TRIGGER" I so wished bale used a voice changer like oliver quee.

Minemrys:

that is one script i pray they d0n't adapt. D0n't you see the crap? Too unrealistic and unentertaining. And the dccu is going for a universe steamed in realism. How can a child be robin? How can a father put a child of 8 or 10 in danger? How can a child beat the father who's trained? Robin is the character i hate m0st in batman c0mics and adaptati0ns cos of how its portrayed. Any film with batman and robin are crappy. Name any0ne and i thank God n0lan never used robin in the tdk verse. I hate that character.

Lol, always considered Robin to be a representation of bruce mental issues and obsessive psychosis. He puts children in danger because that is the only way he thinks he can help them or rather to help himself, he would have wanted have someone train him as a child and put him in a position to help find his parents killers so he sees himself in the children and tries to give them the opportunity he wanted. One of the results of mental illness cause a normal person who loses his parents has a child goes to therapy, tries to move on, the person does not dress like a bat and go around beating up criminals. personally I blame his lack of parental presence in his life as a kid, when your only parental figure is your servant you are bound to have issues.

Basically what I'm saying is that Batman is in fact a mad man and should be locked up in Arkham and the only reason he isn't is because he is rich and has fancy toys otherwise he is no different from Joker and Riddler albeit with a different psychosis. If you don't believe me consider this, the first robin ran away from him, he got the second one killed and immediately took in another one after which he brought his own son into the family business.

Raalsalghul:
Am also worried about CA:CW. Just like D.C is being criticized for copying marvel by rushing Justice League. We must confess Marvel also copied CA:CWS from D.C's BvS. Now I know people are going to say the Russo's are good directors because of their work on CA:TWS but so was Joss Whedon until he made Avengers: Age of Boredom. Am concerned for that movie and also the fact that they are directing Avengers: Infinity Wars 1 and 2. Hope the fatigue doesn't get to them as it did to Joss Whedon.

OK I see u hating on the avengers which is good cos I found out that the movie had nothing to offer except the collection of Hollywood superstars in it and that why it was a huge box office success.
As for age of boredom like u called it, I think I'll also agree with u on that. When a director directs the first and it becomes successful, he goes for the sequel for example transformers, blade, ironman, divergent, maze runner and the rest of its kind. But when it goes south like the last airbender u hear no one talking of sequel.
What I'm saying is, if marvel keep on with their nonsense, they will run out of ideas and superheroes. And god forbid me watching maze runner 2. I rather use that time and ask ma Ex to come back.

TonySpike:
I can bet it that the Age of Ultron's storyline seem to be lifted from the movie, transcendence. Has anyone here watched transcendence and understood its storyline?

Nah I don't think so. If u've seen the animated next avengers, you know ultron even existed before the idea of transcendence was conceived.

sage1000:


Lol, always considered Robin to be a representation of bruce mental issues and obsessive psychosis. He puts children in danger because that is the only way he thinks he can help them or rather to help himself, he would have wanted have someone train him as a child and put him in a position to help find his parents killers so he sees himself in the children and tries to give them the opportunity he wanted. One of the results of mental illness cause a normal person who loses his parents has a child goes to therapy, tries to move on, the person does not dress like a bat and go around beating up criminals. personally I blame his lack of parental presence in his life as a kid, when your only parental figure is your servant you are bound to have issues.

Basically what I'm saying is that Batman is in fact a mad man and should be locked up in Arkham and the only reason he isn't is because he is rich and has fancy toys otherwise he is no different from Joker and Riddler albeit with a different psychosis. If you don't believe me consider this, the first robin ran away from him, he got the second one killed and immediately took in another one after which he brought his own son into the family business.

they should do away with it or rather make robin a young guy. But am assuring you, the m0vie would be crap with r0bin. Bale said this himself by asking n0lan n0t to include robin in tdkr. 0nly green arrow fits having a side kick, roy harper is better.

Csami:



OK I see u hating on the avengers which is good cos I found out that the movie had nothing to offer except the collection of Hollywood superstars in it and that why it was a huge box office success.
As for age of boredom like u called it, I think I'll also agree with u on that. When a director directs the first and it becomes successful, he goes for the sequel for example transformers, blade, ironman, divergent, maze runner and the rest of its kind. But when it goes south like the last airbender u hear no one talking of sequel.
What I'm saying is, if marvel keep on with their nonsense, they will run out of ideas and superheroes. And god forbid me watching maze runner 2. I rather use that time and ask ma Ex to come back.

lol are u saying insurgent isn't as good as divergent?

Minemrys:

they should do away with it or rather make robin a young guy. But am assuring you, the m0vie would be crap with r0bin. Bale said this himself by asking n0lan n0t to include robin in tdkr. 0nly green arrow fits having a side kick, roy harper is better.

fan theory is robin is dead in the movie and that is wat caused batman to retire

sage1000:

fan theory is robin is dead in the movie and that is wat caused batman to retire

Amen to that. Robin be dead and g0ne.

Csami:



OK I see u hating on the avengers which is good cos I found out that the movie had nothing to offer except the collection of Hollywood superstars in it and that why it was a huge box office success.
As for age of boredom like u called it, I think I'll also agree with u on that. When a director directs the first and it becomes successful, he goes for the sequel for example transformers, blade, ironman, divergent, maze runner and the rest of its kind. But when it goes south like the last airbender u hear no one talking of sequel.
What I'm saying is, if marvel keep on with their nonsense, they will run out of ideas and superheroes. And god forbid me watching maze runner 2. I rather use that time and ask ma Ex to come back.

Avengers: Unimportance of ultron had the potential to be a better movie, but I don't think Joss Whedon did his homework well. He just put wrote down a story without seeing the other films first, to know where to start from. The black widow/hulk romance should not have happened, Why? Because it wasn't referenced in the other movies. The film didn't feel fresh, it had many similarities to the first movie. To tell you the truth, Ultron was underpowered and the stronger a villain, the more the hero is praised when he finally beats the villain. When they kept saying Death was going to happen in this movie. I thought it was going to be a major character like hawkeye or black widow, didn't know it was going to be quicksilver whose death had no effect on the audience, because he was only in 1 marvel movie. And RDJ has placed his shadow over the MCU. Why does the hulkbuster have to beat the hulk? Because they are trying to make RDJ look good to draw in people to the cineplex. Another problem with the movie is that it was over-crowded, and it suffered because Whedon didn't know how to balance the characters, such movies are mostly mediocre e.g TASM 2, X-men: Last stand. I love marvel movies but I hate it when people behave as if marvel is perfect, so neither is DC. That's why am concerned for CA:CW, I thought there was going to be a quarrel btw ironman and cap to act as a prerequisite for CA:CW, but No there wasn't. Marvel should go back to the drawing board and figure things out, lest they will fail soon. Also I think movies like Captain marvel, Dr.strange shouldn't be made. But Spiderman and Black panther are welcome. If you listen closely the superhero bubble is about to bust. If someone says am unreasonable in my criticism I have my reasons for being so. I would have typed more but am using my phone.

Raalsalghul:
Avengers: Unimportance of ultron had the potential to be a better movie, but I don't think Joss Whedon did his homework well. He just put wrote down a story without seeing the other films first, to know where to start from. The black widow/hulk romance should not have happened, Why? Because it wasn't referenced in the other movies. The film didn't feel fresh, it had many similarities to the first movie. To tell you the truth, Ultron was underpowered and the stronger a villain, the more the hero is praised when he finally beats the villain. When they kept saying Death was going to happen in this movie. I thought it was going to be a major character like hawkeye or black widow, didn't know it was going to be quicksilver whose death had no effect on the audience, because he was only in 1 marvel movie. And RDJ has placed his shadow over the MCU. Why does the hulkbuster have to beat the hulk? Because they are trying to make RDJ look good to draw in people to the cineplex. Another problem with the movie is that it was over-crowded, and it suffered because Whedon didn't know how to balance the characters, such movies are mostly mediocre e.g TASM 2, X-men: Last stand. I love marvel movies but I hate it when people behave as if marvel is perfect, so neither is DC. That's why am concerned for CA:CW, I thought there was going to be a quarrel btw ironman and cap to act as a prerequisite for CA:CW, but No there wasn't. Marvel should go back to the drawing board and figure things out, lest they will fail soon. Also I think movies like Captain marvel, Dr.strange shouldn't be made. But Spiderman and Black panther are welcome. If you listen closely the superhero bubble is about to bust. If someone says am unreasonable in my criticism I have my reasons for being so. I would have typed more but am using my phone.

You're right, bro. If I must tell you, the lack of depth and realism is killing Marvel's approach to movie versions of their superhero characters. DC approach has depth and realism, but it is somewhat dark and extreme...lol. I think the DC approach is better because we live in a realistic world where emotions, sentiments and politics are embedded in a standard society. One thing about DC movies is that it ends with a conundrum about their characters, which leaves room for many open-ended and deep philosophical questions. For example:

1. The end of "DKR rises" was very open with many people confused about Batman's fate when he went to defuse the bomb.
2. The end of "The Watchmen" left many audiences like myself wondering if Oxymandias approach to World peace is the best. Why did he have to sacrifice The Comedian and trick Doctor Manhattan> The end was breath-taking for thinkers like me.
3. The Man of Steel ended with Superman having to make a decision on whose life to save: His brother from Krypton or another alien family from Earth? This question has been argued on many blogs and no definite answer can be given.

You see why the DC approach is more effective, it might be too dark and too serious with very little humour, but gives real thinkers a value for their money. I can bet that Dawn of Justice will end with more questions and conundrums too.

Raalsalghul:
Avengers: Unimportance of ultron had the potential to be a better movie, but I don't think Joss Whedon did his homework well. He just put wrote down a story without seeing the other films first, to know where to start from. The black widow/hulk romance should not have happened, Why? Because it wasn't referenced in the other movies. The film didn't feel fresh, it had many similarities to the first movie. To tell you the truth, Ultron was underpowered and the stronger a villain, the more the hero is praised when he finally beats the villain. When they kept saying Death was going to happen in this movie. I thought it was going to be a major character like hawkeye or black widow, didn't know it was going to be quicksilver whose death had no effect on the audience, because he was only in 1 marvel movie. And RDJ has placed his shadow over the MCU. Why does the hulkbuster have to beat the hulk? Because they are trying to make RDJ look good to draw in people to the cineplex. Another problem with the movie is that it was over-crowded, and it suffered because Whedon didn't know how to balance the characters, such movies are mostly mediocre e.g TASM 2, X-men: Last stand. I love marvel movies but I hate it when people behave as if marvel is perfect, so neither is DC. That's why am concerned for CA:CW, I thought there was going to be a quarrel btw ironman and cap to act as a prerequisite for CA:CW, but No there wasn't. Marvel should go back to the drawing board and figure things out, lest they will fail soon. Also I think movies like Captain marvel, Dr.strange shouldn't be made. But Spiderman and Black panther are welcome. If you listen closely the superhero bubble is about to bust. If someone says am unreasonable in my criticism I have my reasons for being so. I would have typed more but am using my phone.

bro u read my mind. Hulk v t0ny stark:dawn of b0red0m shouldn't have being there. It should've being cap to start civil war. N0w i w0nder how civil war would do it. Hulk/b widow r0mance was a way to do planet hulk but didn't have a prelude making it feel rushed. Quicksilver was killed off cos of the flash and x men's quicksilver. There was no way of topping them.

TonySpike:


You're right, bro. If I must tell you, the lack of depth and realism is killing Marvel's approach to movie versions of their superhero characters. DC approach has depth and realism, but it is somewhat dark and extreme...lol. I think the DC approach is better because we live in a realistic world where emotions, sentiments and politics are embedded in a standard society. One thing about DC movies is that it ends with a conundrum about their characters, which leaves room for many open-ended and deep philosophical questions. For example:

1. The end of "DKR rises" was very open with many people confused about Batman's fate when he went to defuse the bomb.
2. The end of "The Watchmen" left many audiences like myself if Oxymandias approach to World peace is the best. Why did he have to sacrifice The Comedian and trick Doctor Manhattan> The end was breath-taking for thinkers like me.
3. The Man of Steel ended with Superman having to make a decision on whose life to save: His brother from Krypton or another alien family from Earth? This question has been argued on many blogs and no definite answer can be given.

You see why the DC approach is more effective, it might be too dark and too serious with very little humour, but gives real thinkers a value for their money. I can bet that Dawn of Justice will end with more questions and conundrums too.

questi0ns like is superman here to help mankind or to bring out our weakness.

JUHABACH:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-reasons-avengers-are-bad-guys-marvel-movies

This article on this link gives a very honest review of all Marvel superhero movies and summarises them in just four words: They are all craps!

TonySpike:

This article on this link gives a very honest review of all Marvel superhero movies and summarises them in just four words: They are all craps!

bro, you need to see what dc is doing on tv with the flash and the upc0ming series legends of t0m0rrow. Blast.

Minemrys:

bro, you need to see what dc is doing on tv with the flash and the upc0ming series legends of t0m0rrow. Blast.

I watch DC TV series regularly and I think they are making a kill out of their series especially FLASH, ARROW and GOTHAM. Many of MARVEL's characters are a rip-off DC's character, hence, they have very poor character stories. This is why many MARVEL movies and series are crappy and sloppy, no hard-feelings. I finished watching episode 2 of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D last week and it was just very silly at the end. I'm very positive that DC will redefine superhero TV series (and movies) in the next 2/3 years with more realistic stories, not the craps from MARVEL.

To all MARVEL fans, I'm sorry I have to lay bare my thoughts and say it as it is...