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Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:06pm On May 10, 2015 |
linearity: "beast" as in lower forms of man during the stages of evolution I never implied that man evolved from lizards , birds |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by InesQor(m): 3:06pm On May 10, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: The fall of man describes a spiritual fall, it's not like man fell and bruised his knees so it's clearly not literal. If God commands something, as far as he's concerned it's already done. He doesn't have to wait a million years for the evolution process. He commands man to be created, and man is created... Time is a construct that applies only to us mortals. The clock does not tick for God who acts outside time. Isn't it the same way God kept calling Abraham a father of many nations when the old man didn't even have any children? God calls the things that are not yet, as though they have been. If you think it does not hold water, all well and good, you're entitled to that opinion. But if you truly understand the claims of evolution you'll realize that it does not talk about the very beginnings of the species. It does not even discuss what caused the evolution process. So saying it goes against the Bible does not make sense. |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by Cvesta(m): 3:15pm On May 10, 2015 |
The OP is on A Loose Course to be coming up with all this Fallacious Theories of his.I Gues He Is 6million Years To Have Such Insightful Knowledge Of The Murkey Tales Inherent In The Greatest Story Ever Sold(Bible).I Ask What if we die and later find out that indeed the Greatest Story ever told (The Bible),is Just The Greatest Story ever Sold?? |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by roqchiq(f): 3:16pm On May 10, 2015 |
Stop confusing yourselves, the "bible" which you people like to quote is contradictory even in its simplest form. Since the beginning, humans have tried to explain their world and themselves, yet they seem to get more confused. Whether there is God or not, whether you believe or not. The overall message is simple and clear, LOVE (Not the diluted version you guys know). It's preached in every religion, understood in every language, encouraged by every folktale, and practised in every culture. True LOVE, that knows no colour, race, tribe, or religion. The LOVE which is "the beautiful scent that the flower leaves on the heels that crushed it". I dare you to try it!!!! 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by Hero10001: 3:19pm On May 10, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:Why the lols?! I am not confused and didn't refute your post at any point, we're trying to clear the air on the misconceptions. Digest this; Most Christians have a big problem here understanding the first two verses of the Bible! God created the earth, a beautiful home, for His children. He created it perfect, as He always does with everything He creates, and He created it to be inhabited. Listen to Him: Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. Let there be no doubt about who is speaking here. It is the Creator God of Genesis 1:1. This is extremely important because He says that He did not create the earth in "vain", but He formed it to be inhabited, and it was habitable. The word "vain" used here is the Hebrew word "tohu" and it means desolation, utter waste. God did not create the earth as a desolation, a wasteland. It certainly makes sense, for even man doesn't create things "tohu". Now let us return to Genesis 1 and read verse 2. [2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Uh, oh! We have a big problem. We just read in Gen 1:1 that God created the heaven and the earth and now it says that the earth was without "form" and void, which is the exact same word, "tohu", used in Isa. 45:18. In fact the phrase "tohu va bohu", without form and void, means totally and utterly desolate and wasted. Look it up in Strong's concordance. Remember, don't take man's word for it, document it! The apparent contradiction (of which there is none, and there never is) lies in the improper translation of the verb "to be" which is translated "was" in verse two, instead of "became". It is exactly the same word translated "became" in Gen. 2:7"and man 'became' a living soul". Check it out! You will also find that some translations have it correct. In fact, if you have access to an NIV translation, you will note that they suggest "or became" in place of "was". Therefore, Isa. 45:18 is correct. God created the earth beautiful and perfect, to be inhabited. That could have been millions or billions or trillions of years ago. But then, in verse two, something must have happened because the earth became "tohu va bohu". The beautiful earth that our Father made to be inhabited was destroyed. And guess what? You can see evidence of it everywhere, in the geological layers of the earth's crust, in the fossils pressed between the rocks, in the bones of the dinosaurs, in the tilt of the earth's axis, etc., etc., etc. So was there a "Lost City of Atlantis"? Was there a "Lost World", a "World That Then Was"? The Bible gives us the answers in detail! To study the Bible is the noblest of all pursuits; to understand it, the highest of all goals. I pray that with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, you accomplish both. 1 Like |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by fairheven: 3:21pm On May 10, 2015 |
@OP --also note that 'a day' as U Refer does not imply '24hrs' round the cloak |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by geosilbert: 3:23pm On May 10, 2015 |
Why do u want to understand something even Jesus don't know, God only allow the human brain to understand only the things ment for us to so it will to somehow dangerous trying to understand God cos HE is not a man and no man can even understand Him. |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by johnydon22(m): 3:24pm On May 10, 2015 |
roqchiq: Now this is true humanism speaking... i likey |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by nairalandbuzz(m): 3:25pm On May 10, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: For point 8. The passages quoted are not in line. Quote me wrong... Uve been reading Gods plan for man by dake
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Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:26pm On May 10, 2015 |
InesQor:at bolded text - no one is saying that 1.So what led to this spiritual fall of man 2a.Where exactly does the real story or occurrences of biblical events start . Noah , Abraham? 2b If we should take the story of Adam and his fall as figurative then Christ is, because he came from Seth's( a son of Adam) line If God commands something, as far as he's concerned it's already done. He doesn't have to wait a million years for the evolution process. He commands man to be created, and man is created Am confused , are you saying evolution didnt take millions of years? ... Time is a construct that applies only to us mortals. The clock does not tick for God who acts outside time. Isn't it the same way God kept calling Abraham a father of many nations when the old man didn't even have any children? God calls the things that are not yet, as though they have been. - ive always said this If you think it does not hold water, all well and good, you're entitled to that opinion. But if you truly understand the claims of evolution you'll realize that it does not talk about the very beginnings of the species. It does not even discuss what caused the evolution process. So saying it goes against the Bible does not make sense. 1.Selection causes evolution 2.Evolution says life forms were not designed but came from gradual modification of organisms , thus needing no designer I think theistic evolutionists need to come out to explain their own process . Maybe you could please give a quick summary of your own view of creation with evolution as that process |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by iamord(m): 3:29pm On May 10, 2015 |
itzWarner:your talk is attributed to brainwash 1 Like |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:31pm On May 10, 2015 |
nairalandbuzz:] It is - it explains the age before Adam |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by fairheven: 3:31pm On May 10, 2015 |
DaPhilosopher: The creator is a spirit,can u ask a spirit 'were are you'? |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by neocortex: 3:32pm On May 10, 2015 |
I opened this thread hoping to see myriads of biblical and non-biblical evidence supporting the OP's view but all I got were unsubstantiated opinion. This thread should be retitled "my views on creation". |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by buoye1(m): 3:35pm On May 10, 2015 |
itzWarner:THank yoy Bro....I worry myself over all this things before but right now I don't care my concern is I believe in God,Jesus as my LORD and just want to make heaven my eternity.....If earth like let it be 50million years,it is inconsequential to me 1 Like |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by linearity: 3:38pm On May 10, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: So, I guess you believe in Evolution then? I know you never mention man evolved from lizard, bird...I never said that either and my response never indicated that you said that. I was just making a reference about Evolution generally in that, Ape and man have a common ancestor, also lizards and birds have a common ancestor as per the Evolutionary theory of natural selection. If you believe in the survival of the fitness, or the theory of natural selection, which the weakness are dominated by the strongest, then you inherently believe in the theory of Evolution but are distancing yourself because of how the society have defined Evolution to be contrary to the Bible, but if you ignore what you have come to learn from society about Evolution and pick up a good book on the subject, you will realize that, it did not contradict the Creationism in the Bible neither did it attempt to explain how man came to be. Evolution is simply telling us what happens to all species genetically from point A to point B, where point B is 'now'....The Bible in Genesis tells us how we got to point A and it never told us how we changed from point A onward. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:40pm On May 10, 2015 |
nairalandbuzz: Not that book but his explanations + internet research answered most of the questions I had about creations . I also searched pre-adamic age on the internet and read about the talking snake . Do you know Dake's opinion about the talking snake is quite different from another research I made nairalandbuzz ? |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by nairalandbuzz(m): 3:40pm On May 10, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: I ve edited my post... I knew there were creations but never knew men were there... Explained above in my earlier post |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by bond77(m): 3:41pm On May 10, 2015 |
inviix: How did I diminish God? Permit me to erase the confusion emanating from your post. .. a day in God's eye is a thousand years in man's eye while this is a fact with biblical backing.. This also suggests that the 6 creative days represent 6 thousand years from man's standpoint, but from God's standpoint, it represents 6 days. So technically, mathematically and logically I am still correct.. God created everything for 6000years looking at it from a human standpoint. I suppose you should have asked for more clarification or details, or even try to prove me wrong instead of throwing a gigantic accusation on me. |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by InesQor(m): 3:42pm On May 10, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: For your questions about Adam, Noah etc I think you have a Bible? About evolution, you're still making things up. Evolution doesn't claim there is no need for a designer. In fact, it claims that the design is such that it enhances improvements of features in the species. Life forms were not designed Gosh, where did you read that? Or you just feel like miseducating Nairalanders? There is nothing to explain in the theistic evolution process beyond this; God created. How did God create? Via evolution. If it's still not clear, please read the article on Wikipedia. |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by TheFilmmaker: 3:42pm On May 10, 2015 |
This Sunday dull like hell. Foolish threads everywhere. |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by linearity: 3:45pm On May 10, 2015 |
bond77: Not in all cases, you have to read within the context of the text to deduce that....When Joshua asked the Sun to standstill for one day in the battle of the Amorites, the Sun did not Standstill for a thousand years....also when the Bible said Jonah spend three days and three nights in the belly of a fish, that does not mean he spend three thousand years. |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by nkemdi89(f): 3:46pm On May 10, 2015 |
I strongly believe eve came before adam, but it was reverse by those(men) who wrote and translated the bible. 1 Like |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by DaPhilosopher(m): 3:48pm On May 10, 2015 |
fairheven: Seems u did real whr i said 'my philosophical opinion'? Can u explain how a spirit created sth material? The 'light' (C&S Hymn book said he saw His Back) Moses saw on that mountain was spiritual too right? When did fire 'matter' becomes spiritual? It is better you leave my post and enjoy you religion! |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:49pm On May 10, 2015 |
InesQor: I'm I missing something here ?? then davien ,johnydon22 should come to my aid here |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by peterbello(m): 3:49pm On May 10, 2015 |
I wonder how stupid and senseless write-ups like this make frontpage. |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by iamord(m): 3:58pm On May 10, 2015 |
OwerriChairman:u read but do not apply deep reasoning. Your statement is a practical example of brainwash and mind conditioning.. Food for thought Genesis 4:13-17 New International Version (NIV) Cain said to the LORD, “My punishment is more than I can bear. Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and[b]whoever finds me will kill me.”[/b] who are the whoever Are the only people on earth not Adam eve, Cain and able lifeless body if I am to make it four. So where from the whoever? Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. So Cain went out from the LORD’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden. who give the name of the land nod Cain made love to his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. As if the questions are not enough a wife then shows up! Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch. a city!!! Not even a house or village! City!!! The bible is very choosy about its words. So I hope u understand when they say built a city!!! Think! |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:59pm On May 10, 2015 |
InesQor: You didnt answer my question - is the fall of man as written in the bible , literal or figurative About evolution, you're still making things up. Evolution doesn't claim there is no need for a designerOk , I now understand why this is called theistic evolution Trying to say God is the cause In fact, it claims that the design is such that it enhances improvements of features in the species. Life forms were not designed Gosh, where did you read that? Or you just feel like miseducating Nairalanders? You need to start from the basics of evolution . You are picking pieces to suite your claim |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:03pm On May 10, 2015 |
iamord: Nod - means wandering Let me ask you mr. How many children did Adam have? |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by Kingsasian(m): 4:07pm On May 10, 2015 |
You can't confuse me. God did not destroy the earth with water twice, he didn't create any other man before adam but angels including lucifer and there were no nation existing before the creation of man. Don't know which of the versions you are quoting from. |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by Sodiumdawg: 4:08pm On May 10, 2015 |
DaPhilosopher: Mr. Philosopher, How do you explain the sudden spontaneous release of energy which resulted in the "unimaginably chaotic event that ironically resulted in the formation of spatio-chronological order" that is the big bang? What else do you scientists say created the current space-time continuum? Do you agree that space-time would have long autodestructed before we had the chance to "evolve" if matter and energy had not behaved under strict governance of the quintessential "laws of physics"? In my limited knowledge of such things, laws, whether governing neutrinos or nations, electrons or elections, are required to bring order out of chaos. Are you with me? One question: If it takes intelligent discourse to promulgate laws in our everyday living experience, should it not follow that some form of intelligence ordered the laws of nature? That's Good right there! Believing in God, with proper application of knowledge does answer a whole load of questions! I am a scientist of sorts, intelligent after a fashion; I choose to believe in God, and Jesus is my Savior. Have a nice day. |
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:09pm On May 10, 2015 |
linearity: I don't believe in evolution . Are you a Christian? If you are Christian , then why do you think evolution was that process God used in creation? |
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