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PassingShot:
To buttress your points, the partial subsidy removal that eventually took place, were the promised palliatives provided?

The SURE-P program, as has been revealed just last week that the employee figure was inflated from 12k to 35k, is another evidence of the scam.

The buses that were promised, where are they today? The refineries, where are they?

Bottom line:
1. I believe there was no true subsidy in the first instance. What we had was an imaginary subsidy.

2. If there truly was subsidy, GEJ could have handled the removal in a more responsible manner than just announcing through the radio, on January 1st 2012, that subsidy was removed. No where in the whole world will such action go unchallenged. He needed to have discussed it with major stakeholders the need to remove subsidy. Ibb, Abach and even OBJ removed some subsidy and we witnessed how they handled it.

3. Nigerians, by rejecting the subsidy, were able to reduce/limit their loss had we allowed full subsidy removal.

4. Now that majority of Nigerians believe we have a more trust-worthy president in Buhari, they will accept a subsidy removal (if there was any) provided they know what they'd get in returns in predetermined dates.

Well said bro. Very well articulated. Thanks for raising these points. This outgoing government Simply needs to hide itself in shame in Nigeria's history

so is ubah's fuel now in lagos?

Jesusloveyou:
u are right, but which subsidy? I never believe in subsidy, it is gej that is selling us to cabal,we protested against subsidy scam,not actually subsidy removal, we told gej to make our refinery work,before removing subsidy, if d refinery is working,we can purchase fuel @60naira, that is why me and buhari said we don't know what u mean by subsidizing us, who is subsidizing who? What we know is subsidy scam, remove d scam,we wil buy d idea of subsidy removal.

I support our refineries be put back to function but there's subsidy bro...I don't like arguing blindly especially on matters whose technicalities, I don't understand... but you can read up the attached thread here...

https://www.nairaland.com/2306903/why-refineries-cant-work-least

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/ngige-seeks-privatisation-of-refineries/106735/

PassingShot:
To buttress your points, the partial subsidy removal that eventually took place, were the promised palliatives provided?

The SURE-P program, as has been revealed just last week that the employee figure was inflated from 12k to 35k, is another evidence of the scam.

The buses that were promised, where are they today? The refineries, where are they?

Bottom line:
1. I believe there was no true subsidy in the first instance. What we had was an imaginary subsidy.

2. If there truly was subsidy, GEJ could have handled the removal in a more responsible manner than just announcing through the radio, on January 1st 2012, that subsidy was removed. No where in the whole world will such action go unchallenged. He needed to have discussed it with major stakeholders the need to remove subsidy. Ibb, Abach and even OBJ removed some subsidy and we witnessed how they handled it.

3. Nigerians, by rejecting the subsidy, were able to reduce/limit their loss had we allowed full subsidy removal.

4. Now that majority of Nigerians believe we have a more trust-worthy president in Buhari, they will accept a subsidy removal (if there was any) provided they know what they'd get in returns in predetermined dates.

Who inflated those figures if its true bro?
Jonathan brought buses for mass transit and was given to each state...what did you state do with theirs?

https://www.nairaland.com/2306903/why-refineries-cant-work-least

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/ngige-seeks-privatisation-of-refineries/106735/

socialmediaman:
I'm really tired of all these name saving for Jonathan. He failed, nothing short of failure can truly paint a picture of his performance.

This is the real story:

In 2012 January 1st, Jonathan announced an end to the petrol subsidy. NLC reacted and mobilized the masses who were taken by surprise. (This was not a party issue).

The NLC replied the government, "Fight The corruption in the sector first, you will have nothing to subsidize"... Jonathan never did this.

What are the corruption in the oil sector imports? There are thousands, but I'll name just a few outstanding ones:

1. Importers bring in petrol into the country and inflate the figures. Let's say an importer brought in 1 vessel, he brings a claim for 20 vessels, he is paid subsidy for the 20 vessels, no inspection to see if these vessels entered the shores of Nigeria, Nothing. They are just paid. This is crazy! No serious government will tolerate this, but Jonathan choose to ignore it

2. Importers bring in vessels into the country. After getting paid for subsidy, they divert these products to neighboring countries where the petrol sells higher, and they make double profits while we experience scarcity. It is noteworthy that these people do not fly these products into neighboring countries, they drive them, passing immigration and customs at our borders. Isn't this crazy? This is how people will be using our borders to import arms and illegal dangerous weapons, do we have a government, really? This was no problem for Jonathan.

3. NNPC imports products and intentionally delay these products from being offloaded for months so as to incur demurrage and share the proceeds with the vessel owners, they were indicted severally for these

4. Even with all these fraud and impunity by these oil marketers, many of them still get import waivers that cost Nigeria $20 billion dollars in revenue as pointed out by NOI in 2014.

Lots other crimes, this is just a teaser...

So what was Our apprehension?
NLC and Nigerians generally believed that unless you fight corruption in the sector, if you remove subsidy, these cabals will gang up and hoard these products so they become expensive again, what will the president do? If he could not fight corruption in the first place, how could he control impunity by the same greedy marketers?

Conclusion
This rubbish of leniency and kid gloves on sensitive matters such as embezzlement, fraud, impunity and corruption will end with President Jonathan's government. Nigerians deserve better. These cabals know we have a toothless president but they are yet to see the reward for their sabotage

Ps: I think Ifeanyi Uba is only being sensible and smart, they probably have got wind of the hurricane that will sweep them away in the coming weeks and it only makes sense to sacrifice and stay in business. These country hijackers haven't seen anything yet

bro...deregularization would have saved us the pain of this long article...

NLC started a protest which was hijacked by political parties...and later culminated in deaths...

You cannot fight corruption when you have no evidence because inasmuch as you know the marketer shortchanged you but how do you prove it beyond doubt in court....These things by marketers are just too easy to divert and make double profit.....

Our experience in fertilizer abi agricultural sector would have been same here if Jonathan had succeeded with subsidy removal....

Most times, we become too sentimental that we lose our head....

Now, proffer solutions that are better than what Jonathan did....say the what and how plz

Removal of the fuel subsidy is of course beneficial to Nigerians in the long term and Nigerians will only accept this if done by a committed government. The question therefore is that did Nigerians have that belief in this administration to put to use the proceeds from the removal in resolving the lingering problems we face? The answer remains NO. The President himself admitted knowledge of corruption in that sector during his campaign tours and requested an additional four years to deal with the issue. On the 28th of March the question was what this man couldn't do in 5+years can he do in 4? The answer to that question was seen clearly in result sheets across the country. This is where the PMB admin has an edge. If Buhari keys in to the goodwill he has with Nigerians at the moment, stops payment of the subsidy and demonstrates that will to fight the corruption in the oil sector then he will be using his supposed strength to his advantage. Corruption can't be fought by strengthening the EFCC and ICPC alone, introducing technology in strengthening the institutions is fitting. I believe that the picture will definitely be clearer in the first 30 days of the incoming admin.

Whynotthetruth:
Nigeria and Nigerians seems to be confused today which way to go thanks to fuel scarcity. And one begins to wonder how can a mother that has big restaurant with numerous customers daily have her children die of starvation?...This is the fate of Nigeria today albeit painful.

Unfortunately, we allowed most of the problems we see today by our actions and inactions. We are a people easily manipulated and bulldozed with propaganda and lies. We are simply smart by half...We refuse to look beyond our noses; while policy formations of government are supported based on; (a) Who's talking?...(b) What party is he?...(c) What tribe is he?...(d) What religion?...(e)Does it benefit me at least for today?...and other such myopic considerations...At the end, good policy formations are sacrificed at the altar of partisanship. And we keep complaining as usual...

Today a group not sufficient to form a kindred are holding us ransom and we groan with little option in view. They engage in business with no risk, because we the people through government bear and pay for all the risks involved in their line of business...What a business line to be in...Even exchange rate differentials are borne by government for them; hence their singular obligation here is to smile to banks at our detriment.

Jonathan cried and pleaded that we extricate ourselves from this people by removing subsidy in January, 2012; but unfortunately we chose to support these greedy businessmen than our president. Deregulation of that sector was killed. And all attendant problems continued.

Yes, today we still cry corruption in oil sector, bureaucracy, and scarcity occasioned by hoarding of products as well as round tripping of products. All these problems to me would have ended if we supported Jonathan in 2012 to deregulate that sector and open it up to competition and transparent undertakings. We rather supported the "cabal". Now, the poor is subsidizing the rich. Business of oil is undertaken with no risk by the businessmen. We choose to kill a proactive measure by Jonathan that would have cleaned and opened up that sector. Partisanship defined our actions than patriotism.

Which way Nigeria?... Yes, we still shift blame to Jonathan as the president. But what was your role in 2012 subsidy wahala?...Because all these problems could have been averted but we chose otherwise. By refusing deregulation, we supported and fed these monsters of a cabal.

Thanks to Ifeanyi Ubah(Capital Oil); that chose to save us now by opening up his tank farms and jetties. But for how long can we continue like this? Do you cure typhoid fever by simply taking care of the headache?...

ACN/CPC now APC fought against subsidy removal. I hope they keep their words and keep feeding these few. At least we can always borrow more to pay the cabals in case we have no money domestically again...thanks

Gbam!!
Shame I didn't see this beauty earlier, having been banned by Nairaland bot.

Truckpusher:
You said he didn't do enough monitoring and you equally said that 99.9% of nigerians are corrupt , who is going to do the monitoring ?

When a system is this corrupt , you can no longer rely on human goodwill to do the right thing but you need structures and institutions in place before you'll even go any where further

I believe the best way to run government organizations in Nigeria is to try as much as possible to reach the target market/audience/benefactors directly. Have a website, make use of public forums, send people out to carry out surveys based on services offered by the said body, carry out online surveys, etc. In one way or the other, you must get useful data/info about the service you are rendering to the people. You don't have to depend on criminal minded Nigerians to successfully run such organizations. If from your research, it turns out that people are doing shady deals, you call them to order or query them. If it happens again, you issue sack letter.

This country is not the kind you have someone handle your business without monitoring the folk. No matter how close the person is to you, if you give the person a free hand, s/he will run down your business.

Whynotthetruth:
bro...deregularization would have saved us the pain of this long article...

NLC started a protest which was hijacked by political parties...and later culminated in deaths...

You cannot fight corruption when you have no evidence because inasmuch as you know the marketer shortchanged you but how do you prove it beyond doubt in court....These things by marketers are just too easy to divert and make double profit.....

Our experience in fertilizer abi agricultural sector would have been same here if Jonathan had succeeded with subsidy removal....

Most times, we become too sentimental that we lose our head....

Now, proffer solutions that are better than what Jonathan did....say the what and how plz

I don't think there's any diplomatic way of explaining why government couldn't fight corruption except that it couldn't. Where is law enforcement in all these? And why were marketers docked in courts if there wasn't evidence? These things are verifiable, if you say you imported petrol, we can verify from source till destination and know how much you imported, So if the government was serious, it could do it, well, all that is in the past now and I care less what he couldn't do because I'm glad our countrymen took the right decision at the right time...

Whynotthetruth:
Nigeria and Nigerians seems to be confused today which way to go thanks to fuel scarcity. And one begins to wonder how can a mother that has big restaurant with numerous customers daily have her children die of starvation?...This is the fate of Nigeria today albeit painful.

Unfortunately, we allowed most of the problems we see today by our actions and inactions. We are a people easily manipulated and bulldozed with propaganda and lies. We are simply smart by half...We refuse to look beyond our noses; while policy formations of government are supported based on; (a) Who's talking?...(b) What party is he?...(c) What tribe is he?...(d) What religion?...(e)Does it benefit me at least for today?...and other such myopic considerations...At the end, good policy formations are sacrificed at the altar of partisanship. And we keep complaining as usual...

Today a group not sufficient to form a kindred are holding us ransom and we groan with little option in view. They engage in business with no risk, because we the people through government bear and pay for all the risks involved in their line of business...What a business line to be in...Even exchange rate differentials are borne by government for them; hence their singular obligation here is to smile to banks at our detriment.

Jonathan cried and pleaded that we extricate ourselves from this people by removing subsidy in January, 2012; but unfortunately we chose to support these greedy businessmen than our president. Deregulation of that sector was killed. And all attendant problems continued.

Yes, today we still cry corruption in oil sector, bureaucracy, and scarcity occasioned by hoarding of products as well as round tripping of products. All these problems to me would have ended if we supported Jonathan in 2012 to deregulate that sector and open it up to competition and transparent undertakings. We rather supported the "cabal". Now, the poor is subsidizing the rich. Business of oil is undertaken with no risk by the businessmen. We choose to kill a proactive measure by Jonathan that would have cleaned and opened up that sector. Partisanship defined our actions than patriotism.

Which way Nigeria?... Yes, we still shift blame to Jonathan as the president. But what was your role in 2012 subsidy wahala?...Because all these problems could have been averted but we chose otherwise. By refusing deregulation, we supported and fed these monsters of a cabal.

Thanks to Ifeanyi Ubah(Capital Oil); that chose to save us now by opening up his tank farms and jetties. But for how long can we continue like this? Do you cure typhoid fever by simply taking care of the headache?...

ACN/CPC now APC fought against subsidy removal. I hope they keep their words and keep feeding these few. At least we can always borrow more to pay the cabals in case we have no money domestically again...thanks

removal subsidy is not the long term solution to the fuel problem. WE NEED REFINERIES. GEJ/ PDP had 16 yrs to build and repair our refineries but they choose to do nothing.

PassingShot:
To buttress your points, the partial subsidy removal that eventually took place, were the promised palliatives provided?
The SURE-P program, as has been revealed just last week that the employee figure was inflated from 12k to 35k, is another evidence of the scam.
The buses that were promised, where are they today? The refineries, where are they?
Bottom line:
1. I believe there was no true subsidy in the first instance. What we had was an imaginary subsidy.
2. If there truly was subsidy, GEJ could have handled the removal in a more responsible manner than just announcing through the radio, on January 1st 2012, that subsidy was removed. No where in the whole world will such action go unchallenged. He needed to have discussed it with major stakeholders the need to remove subsidy. Ibb, Abach and even OBJ removed some subsidy and we witnessed how they handled it.
3. Nigerians, by rejecting the subsidy, were able to reduce/limit their loss had we allowed full subsidy removal.
4. Now that majority of Nigerians believe we have a more trust-worthy president in Buhari, they will accept a subsidy removal (if there was any) provided they know what they'd get in returns in predetermined dates.

socialmediaman:
I'm really tired of all these name saving for Jonathan. He failed, nothing short of failure can truly paint a picture of his performance.

This is the real story:

In 2012 January 1st, Jonathan announced an end to the petrol subsidy. NLC reacted and mobilized the masses who were taken by surprise. (This was not a party issue).

The NLC replied the government, "Fight The corruption in the sector first, you will have nothing to subsidize"... Jonathan never did this.

What are the corruption in the oil sector imports? There are thousands, but I'll name just a few outstanding ones:

1. Importers bring in petrol into the country and inflate the figures. Let's say an importer brought in 1 vessel, he brings a claim for 20 vessels, he is paid subsidy for the 20 vessels, no inspection to see if these vessels entered the shores of Nigeria, Nothing. They are just paid. This is crazy! No serious government will tolerate this, but Jonathan choose to ignore it

2. Importers bring in vessels into the country. After getting paid for subsidy, they divert these products to neighboring countries where the petrol sells higher, and they make double profits while we experience scarcity. It is noteworthy that these people do not fly these products into neighboring countries, they drive them, passing immigration and customs at our borders. Isn't this crazy? This is how people will be using our borders to import arms and illegal dangerous weapons, do we have a government, really? This was no problem for Jonathan.

3. NNPC imports products and intentionally delay these products from being offloaded for months so as to incur demurrage and share the proceeds with the vessel owners, they were indicted severally for these

4. Even with all these fraud and impunity by these oil marketers, many of them still get import waivers that cost Nigeria $20 billion dollars in revenue as pointed out by NOI in 2014.

Lots other crimes, this is just a teaser...

So what was Our apprehension?
NLC and Nigerians generally believed that unless you fight corruption in the sector, if you remove subsidy, these cabals will gang up and hoard these products so they become expensive again, what will the president do? If he could not fight corruption in the first place, how could he control impunity by the same greedy marketers?

Conclusion
This rubbish of leniency and kid gloves on sensitive matters such as embezzlement, fraud, impunity and corruption will end with President Jonathan's government. Nigerians deserve better. These cabals know we have a toothless president but they are yet to see the reward for their sabotage

Ps: I think Ifeanyi Uba is only being sensible and smart, they probably have got wind of the hurricane that will sweep them away in the coming weeks and it only makes sense to sacrifice and stay in business. These country hijackers haven't seen anything yet

With these two intelligent posts, this thread should have been closed. The Tanoids have nothing to say, as usual.

Raiders:
removal subsidy is not the long term solution to the fuel problem. WE NEED REFINERIES. GEJ/ PDP had 16 yrs to build and repair our refineries but they choose to do nothing.

Yes, it is not...but that's the only wise thing to do for now...though I see NLC as obstacle...the role of ACN/CPC back then maybe used to blackmail them now too...

dustmalik:
With these two intelligent posts, this thread should have been closed. The Tanoids have nothing to say, as usual.

Days ahead will define price of partisanship for you...