italo:


Catholic Church
Jesus said he would be with his Church forever and the gates of hades would never prevail against it.

Tobiee:
i dont think catholic is Jesus' church 'cause they dont worship him, rather, they HAIL MARY!!

Tobiee:
i dont think catholic is Jesus' church 'cause they dont worship him, rather, they HAIL MARY!!

An2elect2:


stop thinking friend, start knowing...catholics are not christians.

italo:


So you also don't think Angel Gabriel is Jesus' Angel because he doesn't worship Jesus, rather he said "HAIL MARY?!"

Luke 1

26 In the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a town of Galilee called Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man named Joseph, of the house of David, and the virgin’s name was Mary. 28 And coming to her, he said, “Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you.”

You see that your thinking is a foolish one!

We Catholics will continue to emulate the Angel of God.

You can emulate scammers and call them pastors.

An2elect2:


stop thinking friend, start knowing...catholics are not christians.

Tobiee:
Angel Gabriel hailed mary... as a greeting, you guys hail her, like she's the one that brought salvation, and died on the cross.

Tobiee:


And most catholics rev. Sis and priest, are mere hypocrites!! Now dont argue with me no more!

Tobiee:
he would be ''foolish'' ..if he doesnt believe in anything, in the aspect of the creation of human, and the world.

onetrack:


The church was not dying in Byzantium; it flourished until the schism of 1054 when suddenly half of the church became Orthodox instead of Catholic.

The Church was barely present in the Soviet Union; Russians are almost entirely orthodox

The Church was not dying in Nazi Germany; they willingly cooperated with Hitler, and they maintained their anti-Jewish position until the 1960s.

I'm not saying that the Catholic Church will disappear anytime soon, but it has lost a great deal of power in Europe over the past 50 years.

Tobiee:
Onetrack please can you explain more on this atheist of a thing. If you dont believe in God,what or who do you believe in?

italo:



The bold means "dying." Yet the Catholic Church lives on in Byzantium and all over the world.

5.5 million Catholics were in the Soviet Union. The Atheist Govt tortured and killed hundreds of priests and confiscated scores of Churches. Stalin's even boasted that the Church would be dead in a generation. Stalin's is dead. The Atheist Govt is dead. Communism is dead. The Catholic Church lives on.


For someone who talks much, you know too little. Please read how Nazis persecuted the Catholic Church. Read about the 2500 Catholic priests that were tortured and killed in the Nazi concentration camp in Dachau. I don't want to win an argument. I just want you to be enlightened.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_persecution_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Germany


Jesus never said his Church would never lose power in Europe.

Jesus said he would be with his Church forever and the gates of hades would never prevail against it.

onetrack:


There are now only about 150,000 Catholics in Russia--about 0.1% of the population

There are about 35,000 Catholics in Turkey, which includes ancient Byzantium/Constantinople--about 0.05% of the population

onetrack:

No doubt the Nazis persecuted Catholic organizations, but not because the Church opposed the Nazis. The Pope was quite anxious to come to an agreement with the Nazi government, as the Church had openly supported Fascist movements in Italy (Mussolini) and Spain (Franco); the Nazis had other ideas as they didn't really want any kind of rival organization with outside support. There is no evidence that the Church was inherently opposed to Nazi ideology.

italo:


I see! The Nazis killed thousands of priests, confiscated and destroyed hundreds of Catholic property because the Church was in agreement with the Nazis.

Brilliant!

Rich4god:
shey u don come again...

onetrack:


Yes but not because the Catholic Church opposed them; rather the Nazis had other ideas that did not include the Catholic Church. Of course there were some individual priests who actively opposed the Nazi regime and died heroic deaths.

onetrack:


I don't hate Catholics (at least I think that they are Christian unlike some of your other Christian brethren), but the Church has run into serious trouble in Europe and is starting to see trouble in the Americas, including Brazil. What happened in Ireland is a sign of this.

italo:



May I even ask what point you are trying to make with the above? Seems to me like you're just grasping unto anything to confuse the issue at hand.



I dont think you hate Catholics. I just think you choose to hold on to misinformation about Catholicism.

What happened in Ireland is not as bad as what happened in Ancient Rome, Soviet Union, Nazi Germany etc.

Yet the number of Catholics keep growing.
1.4 billion!

italo:


Catholics are not Christians, they are devil worshippers.

They compiled the Bible and changed the day of worship to Sunday...and "Christians" adhere to these their practice and doctrine.

Devil worshippers decided what books Christians should read as scripture...and on what day they should worship.

Devil worshippers have existed since the time of Christ but Christians originated with the reformation, 1600 years after Christ died.

Fools!

An2elect2:
hahaha i don land o! better repent.

Rich4god:
lolz... Shebi if I fire u question now, you go run come say u r not in d mood of argument....

An2elect2:
taar when una never ready to get sense?

onetrack:


The Catholic Church tried to accommodate fascism in the 1920s and 1930s. They did so successfully Italy and Spain. The Pope wanted an accommodation with the Nazis and was willing to work with them, until the Nazis decided that the Church did not fit into their plans. In other words, it wasn't the Church that opposed the Nazis.

1.4 billion is too high; even the Church itself says about 1.2 billion, but certainly the Church's own estimates are high.

Rich4god:
lolz... For your small mind, u r now d sensible one abi...

Plz answer this question with your sensibility...

What happened to the church founded by the apostles and where is the church now.

onetrack:


Yes but not because the Catholic Church opposed them; rather the Nazis had other ideas that did not include the Catholic Church. Of course there were some individual priests who actively opposed the Nazi regime and died heroic deaths.

I don't hate Catholics (at least I think that they are Christian unlike some of your other Christian brethren), but the Church has run into serious trouble in Europe and is starting to see trouble in the Americas, including Brazil. What happened in Ireland is a sign of this.

An2elect2:


Christ is the founder of His church and the church, though very small today is very much around.

Papist:

It is very much around in which of the more than 30000 Protestant sects?

An2elect2:


I knew they will ask the foolish question! Maybe you should ask yourself what the church is, so we can start from somewhere...

Papist:

So you dont have the answer? I know what the church is, its clearly taught in the scriptures.

An2elect2:


Christ is the founder of His church and the church, though very small today is very much around.

Rich4god:
lolz... I expected such from you... So where exactly is this church, cos all I see around is churches founded by men... Or maybe you can help me name one of their prominent scholars or clergy between 300AD till date...

Papist:

My friend are you reffering to the Concordat here? The concordat was not an acknowledgement if the Nazi government but was simply a plea for the protection of Christians. The Hitler's pope myth was created by a Protestant playwright in a drama 20 years after the second world war. Have you read Mit Brennender Sorge a papal condemnation of the Nazi state? Do you know that the Chief rabbi of Rome converted to Catholicism after the war mostly as a gesture of gratitude to the Pope? Do you know that the Catholic Church issued fake baptism certificates to Jewish children? Have you read the testimonies of Jewish leaders of the time including the Israeli PM Golda Meier?

Papist:

It is very much around in which of the more than 30000 Protestant sects?