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Abbey2sam:
was there ?

Could you be kind enough to mention one

bigfrancis21:
English because the actors speak English and Igbo because the elements of culture portrayed in the background and the actors/actresses thereof are Igbo, coupled with Igbo words used here and there such as 'igwe', 'nna anyi', 'biko' etc.

bigfrancis21:
To be honest, Wale Adenuga isn't as popular as you think he is. I only know him because of 'Superstory' I used to watch as a kid.

Infact I had to think for a few seconds to recall who he was when I read the thread's title.

Don't overblow his popularity beyond proportions. Among the Yorubas, I think Kunle Afolayan is more popular than him.

macof:
first of all not every movie contains igbo cultural theme
2nd, you talk as if only igbo people act English spoken movies regardless the theme. ..
going away from the Igbo cultural theme, there are tons of English spoken movies with yoruba theme

would it be intelligent for anyone to say super story and Papa Ajasco are Yoruba drama? because it contains mostly yoruba cultural theme doesn't make it yoruba.. its simply Nigerian... until you make it into Yoruba language


how many American/British movies containing Egyptian or Persian (Take prince of Persia for example) Themes are called English Persian movie?

macof:
and how are you a standard for 150million Nigerians?
at least you know him, at least you know one of his work

Ghanaian stations show his work, he has a TV channel
Cameroun knows super story... in fact anyone anywhere in the world that knows Nigerian television knows Wale Adenuga

macof:
first of all not every movie contains igbo cultural theme
2nd, you talk as if only igbo people act English spoken movies regardless the theme. ..
going away from the Igbo cultural theme, there are tons of English spoken movies with yoruba theme

would it be intelligent for anyone to say super story and Papa Ajasco are Yoruba drama? because it contains mostly yoruba cultural theme doesn't make it yoruba.. its simply Nigerian... until you make it into Yoruba language


how many American/British movies containing Egyptian or Persian (Take prince of Persia for example) Themes are called English Persian movie?

There is no doubt that the coinage of the make-believe industry in Nigeria by some revolutionary actors and stakeholders did not go down well with some who believed were the main starter of the industry but were not consulted before staying put with the name ‘Nollywood’.

For the latter, the name ‘Nollywood’ is a direct copycat of America’s ‘Hollywood’, which they reason did not show the creativity and uniqueness of Nigeria and Nigerians.

In Nollywood, two major acting bodies exist. They are; the Actors’ Guild of Nigeria (AGN) and the Association of Nigerian Theatre Arts Practitioners (ANTP).

A closer look at these two major actors’ body reveals content of ethnicity in it. Those in AGN are dominated by those who act English Nigerian films, who are mainly of the Igbo extraction, while those in ANTP are purely those in the Yoruba film industry and are from the Yoruba origin.

This dichotomy has been causing problems and rumbles among those in ANTP, who believe are the first and original actors’ body in Nigeria.

Some of the rumbles they have pointed out are that the AGN don’t carry them along in things that generally concern actors, and also are not part of the government largesse.

At the last novelty match between Nollywood stars and Nigerian music stars, there was no member of ANTP that participated in the match. This some of them said they were not allowed to be part of by AGN.

According to a member of ANTP, Eniola Olaniyan, “The Igbos have grossly dominated AGN, that is a statement of fact. The content of tribe in AGN and ANTP is what is disturbing both associations.

You won’t see us in things they do because they are the ones that would organize it, and they are the ones that Jonathan recognizes. Do you know that if we produce English films, we cannot sell?”

Another member of the association, Ajigijaga said, “Do you know why people make walls after building their house, they want to sectionalize their territory. They see us as not being able to speak English well, but we don’t see them as not being able to speak Yoruba well.

ANTP existed before AGN. They should have come to join us, it does not matter if you shoot English movie. They believed ANTP was meant for the Yorubas, they have forgotten that there is no Yoruba in the name. Everybody just wants to be a leader.”

Speaking in defense of AGN, Ricardo Agbor denied any of such by the AGN to ANTP when he said, “You see, it is just a perception, and I think it is a very wrong one. It is only for those that believe they are inferior that feel inferior, nobody is doing that to them.

Femi Brainerd is Yoruba, Olu Jacobs is Yoruba, Funsho Adeolu, Funke Akindele and Opeyemi Ayeola all started in English before becoming popular through the Yoruba film industry.

Discrimination is everywhere in the world, it cuts across; it is not a peculiar to Nollywood. It is in the oil and gas industries, politics, religion, Northern Muslims see the Southern Muslims as infidels.”

For now, members of ANTP are still very bitter at how they are being treated by some the AGN members. Will this ever stop?

bigfrancis21:
http://www.nigeriafilms.com/news/14414/27/bitter-war-in-nollywood-between-agn-and-antp.html

bigfrancis21:
Knowing super story does not mean they all necessarily know the producer. It would be fallacious to even think that. We watch tons of movies every time without barely knowing who the producer is.

I am not here to argue with you about Wale Adenuga's popularity. Emeka Ike, Kunle Afolayan etc. are 10 times way more popular than him. If Wale remains popular in your tiny little world, so be it.

Or perhaps, he is merely poking at a more popular figure such as Emeka Ike to gain attention for himself.

macof:
lmao the same super story that his name is announced at the beginning and at the end of every episode aired allover West africa to South Africa

I still say anyone who thinks Wale Adenuga isn't popular lives in a bush without knowledge of Nigerian Television. .I don't know why you keep bringing up Kunle and Emeka

bigfrancis21:
There is no gainsaying the simple fact. The same Nollywood produces [b]English and Igbo movies [/b]currently under the body of AGN (Actors Guild of Nigeria) aka the Igbo movie industry. ANTP is in charge of the Yoruba speaking movies.

I have often seen fellow yoruba nairalanders constantly refer to English-speaking movies as Igbo movies and deride Igbos for speaking English in their movies rather than Igbo. One minute the movies are 'Ibo' movies, the next minute the movies are ' Nigerian' movies.

How surprising, Wale Adenuga does not share in your all-conclusive view of Nollywood-Igbo movies as 'Nigerian' but rather sees yoruba and hausa movies as separate from Nollywood? Can you explain that?

macof:
how does this explain your tagging English spoken movies as igbo? you still haven't addressed this simple detail

try understanding the various examples I gave about Prince of Persia (Persian Cultural Theme) produced and acted by Americans and Europeans and Super story produced and acted by mostly Yorubas.
Am very sure nobody calls super story a yoruba drama even in the face of the yoruba theme in several seasons

You don't need to quote some irrelevant stuff jst COMPREHEND

bigfrancis21:
Like I told you before, if Wale Adenuga is popular in your tiny little world, so be it. Good luck with your disillusion.

macof:
[s]You see the bold is what you should sit and think deep to comprehend

English spoken movies are NOT IGBO MOVIES but Nigerian movies, there are many non igbos involved in such movies...let's have a movie with igbos speaking igbo in igboland (or anywhere)

and why should I take should nairalanders fallacies to heart

excuse me! I never said Nollywood igbo movies are not Igbo...I said Nollywood English movies are not igbo. ..very simple to understand really, I don't know why it's giving you such a hard time
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macof:
says the one who knows The said man. if you didn't know him or any of his work you might have a case here

it is who should enjoy ur disillusion

bigfrancis21:
Wale Adenuga claims Yorubas are not part of Nollywood, meanwhile you are here trying to force yourself on Nollywood movies acted and produced by Igbos in English language with mostly Igbo cultural theme and background. Your level of comprehension is outstanding, I must commend you.

bigfrancis21:
That I know him doesn't mean 150 other million Nigerians know him. The man is a nobody as far as millions of Nigerians are involved.

bigfrancis21:
LOL! Whatever rocks your boat, buddy. If that's how you see it, so be it! Enjoy your little fantasy world.

macof:
You are the only one living in a fantasy here calling english movies igbo

macof:
he claims yoruba movies are not part of nollywood because they began before this idea of nollywood

bigfrancis21:
I've realized you love poking at me for fun. You are not to be taken any seriously anyway.

Please watch 'Isunjaba' an English-language movie of purely Igbo actors and culture properly tagged as English-Igbo movie by its producers.


Isunjaba [Part 1]- Latest 2015 Nigerian Nollywood Traditional Movie (English/Igbo Full HD)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YrPDcUdpeU

Or Festival of Madness:

Festival of Madness [Part 1 ]- Latest 2015 Nigeria Nollywood Comedy Movie (English/Igbo Full HD)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUvoha8nL_A&itct=CAwQpDAYCCITCNjbjYrSgcYCFd0vTgod0RwA4TIGcmVsbWZ1SOXL9qjc4bPF_QE%3D&gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google

Visit youtube for more of such videos for your education pleasure.

bigfrancis21:
At least he's being reasonable. Why trying to force your needless self on English-Igbo movies as if Nollywood needs yoruba actors and actresses for relevance? Nollywood has proven itself self-reliant and independent of any tribe or man whatsoever by propelling itself to great heights and number 2 or 3 in the entire world. No other movie industry in Nigeria could do this until the Igbos stepped in and the game changed. Yorubas had since 1960s till today to make sway of their movie industry. What have they been able to come up with since then? What exactly?

Wale Adenuga is right. Yoruba actors are not part of Nollywood. Nollywood can be likened to a company formed by someone, which happened to overtake previously established companies and has achieved worldwide success. Other smaller 'companies' could choose to merge with it or stand independent in their small market circle. Nollywood refers to the initiative and foresight taken by an individual who saw business potentials in the venture that took the Igbo movie industry to greater heights, at a time when other movie industries were barely thinking beyond mediocrity. Yoruba actors can distance themselves, Nollywood needs them not. You hardly hear Nollywood members nor actors and actresses calling out on Yoruba actors and actresses. It is always the ANTP yoruba members calling out Nollywood at every little instance.

Yoruba actors and actresses are the ones desperately dying for success and attention of Nollywood, because they barely have it. Despite Wale's 'outstanding' fame as some people would have us believe, one can tell his level of frustration at not being as recognized by greater Nollywood to have degraded himself to engaging in tribalistic tirade against Nollywood. It is not surprising. Kunle Afolayan vented out his own anger previously. Now its Wale Adenuga. It seems that all major yoruba movie producers are greatly frustrated by the greater Nollywood's seeming influence and dominance everywhere. At every nook and cranny, Alaba Igbo boys will continue to serve as a reminder of the actual owners and creators of Nollywood.

macof:
and I realized you love poking the Yoruba for fun

with all this your running around the Internet (as you normally do leaving out common sense, as your world exist only in the Internet) you didn't address my posts

is it right to call Prince of Persia a Persian movie because of its Persian theme?
or call Super Story a Yoruba drama because of its yoruba theme? take note Super story is acted and produced by Yorubas. ..many other TV dramas too. . in fact Yoruba run the popular Television dramas
do we call them Yoruba dramas due to that?
answer to yourself sincerely


simply get rid of this your ethnic bigotry it does you no good

macof:
you have no regard for truth at all. ..look how you lie so happily

I guess Kunle Afolayan, Ramsey Noah, Desmond Elliot, Omotola, Joke silver, Ini Edo, Mercy Johnson, Imeh Umoh, Funke Akindele, Olu Jacobs, Lancelot Imaseun, Rmd, Wale Adenuga are igbo

listen everyone complains of the Igbo boys who indulge in piracy and the it's cus of the lack of good measures taken by the AGN, you don't see Yoruba movies handled by Yorubas involved in such criminality ..

macof:
you have no regard for truth at all. ..look how you lie so happily

I guess Kunle Afolayan, Ramsey Noah, Desmond Elliot, Omotola, Joke silver, Ini Edo, Mercy Johnson, Imeh Umoh, Funke Akindele, Olu Jacobs, Lancelot Imaseun, Rmd, Wale Adenuga are igbo

listen everyone complains of the Igbo boys who indulge in piracy and the it's cus of the lack of good measures taken by the AGN, you don't see Yoruba movies handled by Yorubas involved in such criminality ..

bigfrancis21:
Oh yea. Tell that to Wale Adenuga.

bigfrancis21:
You lack common sense. Nollywood movies are English-Igbo movies just as they are Nigerian movies and equally African movies. However, their concept of 'Nigerianess' doesn't necessarily mean they include yoruba or hausa movies. An Igbo is a Nigerian just as a Yoruba or Hausa is Nigerian, however Igbo is not Yoruba, just as Yoruba is not Hausa.

It is plain common sense.

macof:
see who says I lack common sense

why do you keep dodging my questions? answer them
are Super Story and Papa Ajasco "Nigerian" or English-Yoruba?

I guess Figurine - a movie with yoruba theme is Igbo because they spoke english? Cus I know it's not Yoruba. ..not until you gimme the language same as the Igbo themed movies. ..

I guess Mirror boy is Igbo? 30 days in Atlanta is Igbo? Ay must be an Igbo man to produce and act an English movie
Phone swap (which I can't remember any igbo involved) must be igbo because they spoke english
guy you are really dull

back to ur little main argument...
you just lack the understanding of literature, because it has an Igbo setting, Yoruba setting doesn't make it Igbo and yoruba respectively

i must add that most movies wit igbo themes lack quality unlike when something like that is done on Yoruba, Bini or calabar (twins of the rain forest comes to mind - this movie's lead roles were even acted by Yorubas and directed by an Edo man)

keep living in ur tiny world of "the snake in the palace" sequel to "royal reptiles"

macof:
quickly show me any ethnic bigoted statement he made

bigfrancis21:
I guess you jumped right into the thread without reading the title of it or the op's post?

I could lend you my glasses if you really need one.

bigfrancis21:
You shamefully lack common sense and common reasoning. Your line of reasoning is appalling. Nollywood movies are partly Igbo because English is spoken but because of the culture portrayed, actors, Igbo language words used here and there and equally English because of the English language spoken in it. I have commonly referred to them as English-Igbo to accommodate the English language spoken and Igbo culture portrayed. Is this so hard for you to comprehend?

Papa Ajasco is a Nigerian TV show and can as well be regarded as Yoruba because of its tilt towards Yoruba culture, though it attempts to be neutral.

Your lack of preference for Igbo movies makes no meaning at all. Who cares about what you think anyway. What you think is insignificant. Millions of viewers all over the world LOVE Nigerian-Igbo movies, and the consumer market is outstanding and awesome. Yoruba movie producers struggle to make profits from their movies that they have resorted to pirating every single famous foreign movie possible from Bollywood and Hollywood just to manage to stay in business. And some people would be hailing this as 'creativity'.

There is piracy everywhere. There is piracy in Hollywood, there is piracy in Bollywood and what have you. Piracy is common and thrives in rich movie industries where there is huge money to be made from pirating movies. Hollywood spends huge sums of money each year to fight piracy within its industry. Movies that are commonly referred to as 'cinema dubbing' are pirated movies by individuals that go to cinemas to record yet-to-be-released movies and release ahead of time, to make their own share of money. You wouldn't find piracy in tiny little industries where there is stagnant growth and no money to be made from it. Who would make money from pirating Yoruba movies anyway? Ologun Eru? Ojo? Those kind of movies?? What is the gain to it? Nollywood is where the money is, and piracy is expected.

For your reading pleasure, educate yourself on the thriving piracy going on in Hollywood and Nollywood.

http://www.technologyreview.com/review/520336/how-hollywood-can-capitalize-on-piracy/

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jul/10/hollywood-director-piracy-is-necessary-and-doesnt-hurt-revenues

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Piracy-cost-Bollywood-959m-Report/articleshow/5703165.cms

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130218/03033922013/bollywood-no-longer-worrying-about-piracy-as-studios-keep-setting-new-records-box-office.shtml

Piracy within Nollywood should not be an exception.

macof:
you just try so hard wit ur insults but really you are the one showcasing lack of common sense

I always know you never accept correction but that doesn't mean I allow such gross fallacies

what igbo language words? you call 1 igbo word in every 100 words a sign of it being an igbo movie ....guy your mumu no get part two
so any movie wit "abi" "oga" must be an English-Yoruba movie
there was this movie with Ngozi Ezeonu and Patience where they chanted "Iya Iya" wow I never knew that was an English-Yoruba movie

Mr man call certain movies (wit igbo theme) English-Igbo as u like that's not my business. ..but saying Nollywood is Igbo property is as foolish as saying Igbos own Nigeria cus not all movies have igbo themes and 2nd non igbos have put a lot into the industry to make it what it is (and as a Movie fanatic, I can say it still needs improvement, especially when talking igbo culture - all the culture we see are harsh conditions on widows, nothing deep and beautiful about the Igbo culture portrayed in the movies)

Nigerian Igbo movies ? the only one I know is Nkoli Nwa Nsukka. .nice movie tho but please don't say that nonsense about people loving Igbo movies again. ..how many Igbo movies even exist?

The bold is a complete lie...you have a habit of pushing in bits of lies in ur posts when you have nothing to say


While your igbo folks do all the pirating u are here commending them (Nice one, maybe you are into the business) ..when the AGN had cried out to GEJ on this matter since they have no idea what to do on their part

Shocking earnings of Yoruba movie stars

Quite a number of perks come with being a movie star in this part of the world. They include designer clothes, luxury cars and posh apartments. Apart from their penchant for such status symbols, today’s Nollywood actors and actresses are also seen as role models, especially to the young and impressionable who dream of becoming stars some day.

But, judging by the results of a recent investigation conducted by Saturday Beats, it appears all that glitters is not gold, after all.

Contrary to popular opinion, the life of the average Yoruba movie star is that of constant ‘suffering and smiling’.

In spite of the fabulous profiles and immense goodwill enjoyed by some of these celebrated screen gods and goddesses, the contents of their bank accounts are really nothing to be cheerful about.

Even the ‘alarming’ increase in the volume of home video films produced in Yoruba language ought to be sufficient to improve the bank balances of such celebrities. To make matters worse, many of them suffer from a financial disease known as ‘Withdrawal Symptom.’ In fact, it is no longer news that a good number are regular visitors to ATMs.

“As soon as money is paid into their bank accounts, you will see them rushing to the nearest ATM to withdraw almost all the cash,” an amused banker told Saturday Beats recently.

Certainly it is difficult to believe that no reasonably successful Yoruba actor or actress has ever been paid up to N500, 000 for a lead role in any movie. Half a million seems a fantastic sum by all indications. Instead, the maximum fee payable to the best actor or actress has remained between N150k and N250k. Even many of the ‘veterans’ receive as low as N10k to appear in a film feature.

While those that are constantly in demand or have won awards in the industry, such as the likes of Funke Akindele and Odunlade Adekola, earn a maximum of N250k per feature film, the rest are left with peanuts. Interestingly, an exception to this ‘golden rule’ is Omotola Jalade-Ekeinde. Saturday Beats investigation shows that she earns between N250k and N400k.

Another ‘big earning’ actor is Adebayo Salami, aka Oga Bello. It is said that he hardly receives part payment from any producer. Usually on location, he would demand his fee of not more that N150,000 before going into action.

The same is said about Omotola who does not budge until she or her manager has confirmed that a certain amount of money has been deposited in her bank account.

However, the so-called big budget film productions have never exceeded the N3m mark despite the fact that a lot of money goes into paying the crew and cast. Money is also spent on production equipment, lights, costumes, makeups, transport, food, accommodation, generating plant sets, and other logistics/incidental expenses. That is also why most of the cast and crew are grateful when the filmmaker or marketer, who bankrolls the production, is able to hand them paltry sums of money.

“You can count on your fingers the number of individuals involved in the production who respectively got paid less than N50,000,” a production hand says.

Also included in the budget are the editing suite staff, copies of empty VCDs to be dubbed, posters and film jackets to be printed, marketing and distribution.

Now we know why most of the highly paid or underpaid actors/ actresses are writing their own movie scripts and directing or producing their own movie projects, as well as saturating the market with volumes of half-baked home videos every week.

Bukky Wright was the highest paid actress in the Yoruba language genre before Funke Akindele broke her N150,000 per featured film record with Jenifa.

Omilade Babatunde, aka Baba Suwe, used to be the highest paid aactor until the much younger Odunlade Adekola, aka Cause Trouble, began to earn up to N250k per feature film. The other notable figures? Well, they are trying hard to catch up with Omotola, Funke and Odunlade.

Omotola, Adebayo Salami, Funke Akindele, Bukky Wright and Odunlade Adekola were unavailable for comment.

But prolific film producer, Kunle Afolayan, said, “I really don’t know how much they earn now because I’ve since moved on to other major things.”

Top actress, Lizzy Anjorin, found it hard to answer the question.

“Ha! That’s a tough question that I don’t have a ready answer for. Fees vary from one filmmaker to another. As for me, I bill per script and I don’t appear in just about any film.”

Saturday Beats sought the view of scriptwriter/actor/filmmaker, Femi Davies.

He responded, “You can’t really get any top actor/actress that will proudly and honestly tell you this is how much he or she earns per film. But for my years in the industry, I don’t know anyone that collects half a million naira per film he or she featured in that’s not a film produced by him or her. Things can only get better.”

The story is not different in the Igbo or the Hausa language-speaking movie sector. We gathered that the actors/actresses who in real life drive fancy cars, live in their own houses, dress in the latest designer clothes, are the privileged ones who have been able to sustain and maintain their celebrity/star status by engaging in private business outside movies like car dealership, party/event planning, boutiques, supermarkets, hair dressing saloons, voice-over on radio/TV adverts, comperes at private and public functions, corporate brand endorsements.