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I think pdp wants to make a crack in the wall of apc, they need to be weary of the party!

jayfolarin:
I hate greedy backstabbing b*stards....Bukola Saraki is one!!

When himself, the G5 governors and others did same to PDP, they were hailed as progressives; please tell me, what has changed?

PDP: SouthEast/SouthSouth and North(Allies)
APC: West and North(allies)
Presidency: still north.
It bite me to my knowledge that, the educated southerners still don't understand, 'Divide and rule' mechanism. North still rule.

Na wa o...
Now I understand why GEJ is a hero for conceding defeat

So the name of the National Assembly clerk is Salisu "Mai-kasuwa"? The man really 'sell market' last Tuesday no be small

modath:
But it will last for a minimum of eight years cos there is no way Baba will toe the line of your clueless hero...

PDP is stating put in the its SS/SE strongholds, you goats are all still rejoicing now over the NASS issue that will be settled in a quiet way sooner rather than later .. You all will wake up soon out of your temporal amnesia that the federal yam barn that is your unifying factor is no more...

In a month or two, all dust will settle.

I seriously doubt u.Tinubu wont allow peace to reign until he gets his revenge.

DjHypno:
K

Khalifa?

I am sure he can afford the fine using money he stole from Kwara state

[quote author=vision2050 post=34686319]Even though I don't support how the election was conducted.
However, take a look at this;
Let us face fact on this matter and lay it to rest
as quickly as possible.
APC as a party is a coalition (call it
amalgamation if you like) of different political
groups, that is ACN, CPC, ANPP, APGA and
"NewPDP".
I think the problem is that Tinubu and those on
his side are failing to recognize this fact.
The ANPP block took the party chairman, CPC
took president and Vice President went to ACN.
The members of NewPDP felt that it is natural
that the Senate presidency should come to them
and that is why they did everything within their
reach to get the position of the senate president.
Mr. President is taking cognizant of this simple
gentleman agreement that is why he's not
reacting as some people expected.
I have heard some people saying that Tinubu toil
with his resources to build APC, the question that
came to mind on this is why did he not use the
resources for AC and ACN? The truth of the
matter is that every component in the coalition
complement each other, all of them stake
something in the project and they all should
benefit even APGA that is the smallest in the
group. Yes, Tinubu was mobilizing support for
APC in the southwest the same way Amaechi put
Rivers state on autopilot and concentrated on
driving members of APC across the country (he
personally drove the SUV that brought the
defected governors of PDP to Obasanjo's house in
Abeokuta and also drove El-Rufai to court in
Kaduna). Rochas Okorocha of APGA faced
possible rejection from his Igbo brothers, he
sacrificed that for APC.
It will be wrong and unfair to say others should
just go to sleep why Tinubu/ACN wing of APC
dictate what they get "bawo ni obo se se ori ti
inaki kose"?
Tinubu should just understand what belong to
everybody can not belong to somebody. If Tinubu
is not please with the turn of event he can go
back to his ACN where he will be the alpha and
Omega.
APC belong to everybody and not to somebody.
As a matter of fact what happened at the
National Assembly is one of the changes we
voted for.
Sai Buhari
Sai Osinbajo
Sai Saraki
Sai Tinubu
SaiAPC[/quote.]

@bold

If Tinubu and those on his side failed to recognize other poltical parties involve in the amalgamation of APC, ACN with the largest block of 6 states, Why did Tinubu and CPC allow newPDP, APGA and ANPP contest in APC Presidential primary election?

You said each parties invovled TOOK postions in the party and it is natural for newPDP to TAKE the SENATE seat.
How did they take the positions?
Was it by consensus, election or conquest?
Did any of the parties involve believed in consensus or election?





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jorlons:
PDP take note of the emboldened. I trust Jagbajan the master of the game, who takes away sleep from the eyes of PDP chieftains. He knows this game better.

As for Bukola saraki, he should watch his back cause he won't see what's coming. Tinubu will surely sink the traitor's political career, then he would know he's just a boy in the game.

u must be kidding,Bukola is a master strategist and better politician than Jagaban.When u undermined d political strength of Bukola Saraki then u are on your own,just like Tinubu on his own for taking Bukola for a ride.The guy learnt his trade perfect under his Father,so taking him for a ride u are on your own.Bukola is a 2 term governor like Tinubu,installed gov Ahmed,just like Tinibu installed Fashola,Tinubu a former senator and Bukola a senator and now senate president.Nationally Bukola will beat Tinubu hands down but regionally Tinubu na baba.

isi4:
The All Progressives Congress has said that whatever disciplinary action it will take against the Senate President, Bukola Saraki, the Speaker, House of Representatives, Yakubu Dogara, and   its members for defying its directive on the election of the National Assembly leadership will follow due process.

It said this just as The PUNCH learnt that the Presidency had intervened in the crisis the election of Saraki and Dogara on Tuesday had generated.

The party had conducted mock elections in which Ahmed Lawan and Femi Gbajabiamila emerged as its consensus candidates for the Senate Presidency and House speakership.

After the mock polls, the APC directed its other lawmakers not to contest the positions but ensure that Lawan and Gbajabiamila became the National Assembly leaders.

But this was not to be as Saraki and Dogara did not only contest but won with the support of opposition Peoples Democratic Party lawmakers.

In the Senate, an opposition member, Ike Ekweremadu, surprisingly retained his post as Deputy Senate President.

Ekweremadu defeated an APC Senator, Ali Ndume, who also defied the party’s directive by contesting. The APC anointed candidate for the post   is Mohammed Mungono.

The APC spokesman, Lai Mohammed, who spoke with journalists after an emergency National Working Committee meeting of the APC in Abuja, insisted that the party had not made a U-turn on its earlier position   that the errant lawmakers   would be sanctioned.

The APC spokesman had in a statement on Tuesday said, that the election of   Saraki and Dogara   was unacceptable.

He had said, ‘‘The APC leadership is meeting in a bid to reestablish discipline in the party and to mete out the necessary sanctions to all those involved in what is nothing but a monumental act of indiscipline and betrayal to subject the party to ridicule and create obstacles for the new administration.’’

When asked on Thursday if the party would still   go ahead with plans to punish Saraki,Dogara and others, he replied, that the   “sanctions would follow due process.”

He added   that the errant lawmakers would be notified about their alleged offences and given an opportunity to respond.

When asked why the members of the SUF were at the NWC meeting, he said,   “They are our senators that wanted to confer with the party leadership; they came to confer on the crisis in the National Assembly.”

On the threat by the SUF   to contest Saraki’s election in court, the APC spokesman said, “I think the party made its expression clear on the matter, that it is unhappy with the outcome of the election and I think we won’t say anything beyond that.

“What the senators will do is within their capability and rights.”

It was also gathered that Saraki, who was due to pay a courtesy visit on the party leadership had a rethink on learning that the SUF members were meeting with the NWC.

However, Mohammed said he was unaware of the planned visit by Saraki.

“I’m not aware, probably if you wait you will see him,” he told the journalists, who also informed him that an advance team of security details from the Senate President’s office were sighted earlier in the day at the party’s secretariat.

APC NWC meets Gbajabiamila, other Reps

The APC leadership also   met on Thursday with some of its House of Representatives members   as part of efforts to douse the tension in the National Assembly.

The members were led by Gbajabiamila and   Mungono.

A member of the team, Sani Zoro, said the meeting was essentially to look for a way forward out of the situation the party had found itself.

Zoro said the APC had commenced the process of deescalating the crisis with an approach which would involve the Presidency, the National Assembly and the party’s leadership.

According to him, what is uppermost in the minds of party leaders now is how best to leave the past   and forge ahead.

He said, “The solutions that are being worked out by the party, the Presidency and the National Assembly are being triangulated.

“I can assure you that it will accommodate all the concerns and fears and at the end of it, it will provide a single template that all will key into.   All that has happened is in the past because we have to defend the government that we have put in place, war cannot be the solution.”

“Measures have been agreed upon that will deescalate the crisis. I assure you that those who are the masterminds of the crisis who thought they are going to benefit politically from it will be surprised.”

Zorro added that it would not be out of place if the APC took appropriate actions against   all its   National Assembly members who   entered into an “unholy alliance” with members of the opposition PDP.

I won’t go to court, says Gbajabiamila

Gbajabiamila   told journalists after the meeting that they   were prepared to work in the interest of the party and the Federal Government.

He said that members of the APC in the House decided to visit the national leadership of the party on how to unite and strengthen the party for service delivery.

Asked if he would challenge the election of Dogara in court, he said, “Go to court for what? But I don’t k know about the Senate. I can only speak about the House. Nothing happened in the House; we had an election so it is different from the Senate. In the Senate, people were deprived of their fundamental rights to express themselves by voting.”

Mungono, in his comments,   said it was normal in political settings for more than one person to show interest in a position.

He however said when a political party   chooses to organise an in-house election where candidates emerge, all loyal   members must   respect it.

Mongono said, “As it is now, that (the election of Saraki and Dogara) is a reality on the ground. And we have to deal with it. We are loyal members of a party that is in control of the government of the Federal Republic of Nigeria and as such, we will not take any step that will affect the interest, the peace and order and good governance of this country.”

It was also learnt in Abuja on Thursday that   Presidency might have intervened in the crisis generated by the election of   Saraki,     Dogara and Ike Ekweremadu, a PDP lawmaker.

A high ranking member of the APC made this known to The PUNCH on Thursday shortly after the NWC also met with some of the SUF members.

The SUF comprises 27 senators solidly backing Ahmed Lawan, the anointed candidate for the Senate Presidency.

They and Lawan were also among the 51 senators that were waiting for a scheduled meeting with Buhari at the International Conference Centre, Abuja, when 57 of their colleagues elected Saraki, a former Governor of Kwara State and Chairman of the Nigeria Governors’ Forum, as Senate President.

Shortly after the NWC meeting started, the APC National Chairman, John Odigie-Oyegun, allegedly received a message that his attention was needed by Vice-President Yemi Osinbajo at the Presidential Villa.

The high ranking party source,who did not want his name in print, also said that Saraki and Dogara might only be cautioned by the APC for defying its directive not to contest the two highest positions in the National Assembly.

He said, “Our leaders at the highest level have waded into the matter As I speak to you, the general feeling is that, we cannot afford to allow the National Assembly issue to further polarise our party.

“Saraki, Dogara and their supporters are most likely to get away with words of caution because the deed has been done.”

The party source however said the Presidency was   disturbed about the emergence of Ekweremadu   as deputy president of the Senate.

When one of our correspondents contacted   the Senior Special Assistant to the President on Media and Publicity,   Garba Shehu, and Mohammed on the Presidency’s alleged intervention, they said they were unaware of it.

Don’t harass N’Assembly Clerk, PDP warns APC

The PDP has asked the Presidency and the APC not to intimidate or harass the Clerk of the National Assembly,   Salisu Maikasuwa, and the National Assembly Service Commission for their roles in the controversial elections of the leadership of the National Assembly.

The PDP National Publicity Secretary, Mr. Olisa Metuh, in a statement   on Thursday, said that any attempt by the APC to transfer its frustration to Maikasuwa and the commission   would amount to   victimisation.

He said the undertone of the statement by   Buhari’s spokesman, Shehu, that the Clerk was notified of a meeting between the President and the APC lawmakers       “amounts to putting undue pressure on civil servants in the National Assembly for performing their legitimate duties and sends a serious signal which should not be ignored.”

Metuh described as unfortunate, the fact that the APC displayed its “arrogance and disrespect for the dictates of the constitution” by attempting to adjust the President’s promulgation order on the National Assembly and seeking to put their interest over and above the supreme law of the land.

He added, “It is a clear mark of disrespect to the constitution for the President and his party to fix a meeting for him to address their legislators the same time he had directed the Assembly to be inaugurated in line with the constitution.

“For 16 years that PDP nurtured democracy in this country, there was never a day it attempted to arm-twist or intimidate the bureaucracy of the National Assembly to do its bidding given our recognition and respect for the independence and sanctity of the legislative arm.

“The National Assembly is the citadel of democracy and represents the collective voice of all Nigerians. The PDP, even in opposition will continue to protect its sanctity and will therefore resist any attempt by the APC to undermine its independence and those of other democratic institutions in our country.”

Metuh noted that the position of the APC and the Presidency clearly negated Buhari’s well-received and praised assertion in his inaugural speech that he belonged to everybody and not to anybody.

He said, “By the last minute attempt to shift the inauguration time for party interest, the President violates his Presidential oath to defend the constitution and serve the nation without fear or favour and irrespective of party, religion and tribe, as he did not consider the interests of other political parties and the generality of Nigerians.”

Metuh added   that emerging events have continued to justify PDP’s position that the APC was ill-equipped and unprepared for the challenge of ruling the country.

According to him, these became glaring in the way and manner the APC handled a very vital issue like the inauguration of the National Assembly.

He said, “From March 28, 2015 to June 9, the APC had about 74 days within which it was expected to put its house in order and present its leaders for the 8th National Assembly, but it could not because of the greed and selfishness of its so-called godfathers who instead chose to fix their party meeting the same time the President was scheduled to inaugurate   the National Assembly.”

Metuh advised     that rather than vilify the Clerk, the APC should commend him for his patriotic and courageous stand that had helped minimise the embarrassment the shifting the inauguration would have brought to the country internationally.

He therefore charged the Presidency and APC to apologise to Nigerians for the embarrassment their ineptitude and inexperience had been causing the nation since they came into office.

http://www.punchng.com/news/well-follow-due-process-to-punish-saraki-others-apc/

APC will implode if the continue on this journey... Cause crisis, and people will defect...

[quote author=forgiveness post=34689041][/quote]you expect me to answer all this questions of yours?
Directly or Indirectly, each parties that form APC I.e CPC, ACN, ANPP, APGA and New PDP have a leader In the party.
Tinubu is great leader that make the merger possible or come to reality but he can't be having says all the time. My plead is that everyone should shed his/her sword for the unity of our great nation.

They(APC) should better keep their house in order before things get out of hand,They will continue to lose key positions in government to the opposition(PDP and Co) if drastic steps are not taken to solve their internal crisis.For example,What happened in Plateau is a pointer that APC is fast loosing it internally.I pray they find lasting solution to their problem soon.

hmmmmm, wonders shall not stop ceasing looking at the present circumstances of this so-called APC.

This thing don pain APC and Tinubu well well!!!!!!!! APC can't handle defeat at all. PDP and saraki played a fair game.

dayo23:
For once we have to put our house in order, APC can't afford to damaged what it has suffered so much to put together, I believe their are people among the party I mean high ranking leader who are not happy about the relationship between Tinubu and Buhari, they are ready to do the undue just to destroy that relationship, I really pray Tinubu and President Buhari don't fall to their traps! The both of them worked hard to be were they are today, many of us never believed in the emergence of the merger but as God may have it, we have the last laugh.
Inside of me I know Mr President is a man of his word, and I expect him to keep to the bargain with his close pal Tinubu, am not saying he should be loyal to Tinubu, Both of them should put Nigeria first in everything they do, I believe Tinubu meant well for Nigeria but it just the way he goes about it by getting it at all cost that the problem. Tinubu is highly intelligent and he is a good reader of the game, he must have known about some element within the party that are working to bring him down, right from the very first day he influence President Buhari candidature.
I also hope President Buhari knows their are many of his collegues who are praying for his downfall and will b working Underground to do that at all cost.
He should work more with those who stood by him during the struggle and not those who just joined his bandwagon after he was elected by the people.






Nigeria will be great again.

I agree with ur point cos wen I saw d first proceedings of the house on d news and I saw how gbajabiamila help his fellow member who raised d nysc issue on hw he should move such motion and d applaud he got den I realised d party was truly after competence

For democracy to be sustained we must do away with godfatherism.Most of the political crisis that is happening in the country are cause by godfathers and it prevails in the south west.Tinubu and obj should be taught a lesson that Nigeria belongs to all of us.

jorlons:
PDP take note of the emboldened. I trust Jagbajan the master of the game, who takes away sleep from the eyes of PDP chieftains. He knows this game better.

As for Bukola saraki, he should watch his back cause he won't see what's coming. Tinubu will surely sink the traitor's political career, then he would know he's just a boy in the game.

You forget that this is national politics not regional politics.


I doff my cap for Tinubu any day but if he thinks he will have his way at the national level as he does in the southwest, it may back fire to his regret because there are other masters of the game in other regions who are stakeholders at the national level.

otr1:
The house has been divided, that's why the Judases must be eliminated from the fold. They can't play a Tambulwa now and survive. Anyone that defects now will lose his seat, and ultimately, his re-elected.

Aha. That is where the APC should be strategically looking. No one has said that so far. The only way you can deal with Saraki is to undermine him from his roots, yes his constituency. How strong is the APC 'leadership' in Kwara relative to Saraki as an institution in Kwara. Have the APC been building institutions in the states they have conquered or have they been leveraging on indigenous 'strong men' to keep these territories. If you are a history buff you will have encountered stories of great empires where these errors have been made time and again. When you conquer a territory what do you do with its king, make him a regent or cut his head off and appoint a traitor in his place. If the APC can answer this question it will go a long way to decide whether it can keep its territories in the midst of strong opposition.

I remember telling someone that the APC handled the south-south very badly. That must be the reason we hardly hear from Amaechi these days. Is Amaechi an asset or a liability to the APC south-south project. Did the APC leverage on the man too much at the expense of building a genuine, broad, pan-delta grass-roots movement. Does it have that capacity in Kwara. That is the question. Fighting Saraki front and centre in the Senate will be like the battle of Iwo Jima where the victors wished they were defeated for the sheer scale of the losses on both sides. Better to undermine him from within, quietly and effectively. But to do that you need serious investments in structures on ground jn the theatre of battle - his constituency.

vision2050:
you expect me to answer all this questions of yours?
Directly or Indirectly, each parties that form APC I.e CPC, ACN, ANPP, APGA and New PDP have a leader In the party.
Tinubu is great leader that make the merger possible or come to reality but he can't be having says all the time. My plead is that everyone should shed his/her sword for the unity of our great ination.

Without any bias mind i am expecting answers from those questions put before you.

At no time ever i disagreed that all parties involved have Leaders in APC but the party norms must be respected above personal interest which i think Tinubu has so far demostrated by dropping his consensus theories in ACN and allowing elections which is the party norm to be supreme and deciding factor in electing officials in APC.

Lets not focus on TINUBU but on how the party norms had been altered or breached by some people personal interest.

pls kindly answer those questions then you will understand what transpired.



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forgiveness:
Without any bias mind i am expecting answers from those question put before you.

At no time ever i disagreed that all parties involved have Leaders in APC but the party norm must be respected above personal interest which i think Tinubu has so far demostrated by dropping his consensus theories in ACN and allowing elections which is the party norm to be supreme and deciding factor in electing officials APC.

Lets not focus on TINUBU but on how the party norms had been altered or breached by some people personal interest.

pls kindly answer those questions then you understand what transpired




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if you observed my post very well, you will notice where I write not supporting election that make Saraki the President, but we can't say the teeth is not good and destroy the whole head. Saraki just show his own color but APC have to put there house in order before the unexpected happen. I rest my case.

Crying over spilt milk.

Shio!!

The APC spokesman, Lai Mohammed, who spoke with journalists after an emergency National Working Committee meeting of the APC in Abuja, insisted that the party had not made a U-turn on its earlier position   that the errant lawmakers   would be sanctioned.

Good. The party's interest must always come first above individual interests.

forgiveness:
Without any bias mind i am expecting answers from those questions put before you.

At no time ever i disagreed that all parties involved have Leaders in APC but the party norms must be respected above personal interest which i think Tinubu has so far demostrated by dropping his consensus theories in ACN and allowing elections which is the party norm to be supreme and deciding factor in electing officials in APC.

Lets not focus on TINUBU but on how the party norms had been altered or breached by some people personal interest.

pls kindly answer those questions then you will understand what transpired.



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That is why Clinton famously said what Africa needs is strong institutions not strong men. You guys were all hailing the dexterity and political sagacity of the Jagbajan. Without a doubt we owe the man for broadening and deepening democracy in Nigeria but at what cost to the institution of the APC. Even as we speak, some are still railing about how Tinubu will 'deal' with Saraki a co-member of the party. How can this 'build'. What exactly is the difference between the two men. None. Both men have equally undermined the APC as a party. Both men want the same thing so by simple iteration they should cancel each other out and let the party as an institution grow. Or continue their power show and blow it all to pieces. It is their choice.

My exasperation is about folks like you who switch between personality cultism and institutional supremacy at will. You simply cannot rely on both. They are mutually exclusive. Institutional building requires selfless sacrifice and I cannot over-emphasize that. The APC must do or die.

vision2050:
if you observed my post very well, you will notice where I write not supporting election that make Saraki the President, but we can't say the teeth is not good and destroy the whole head. Saraki just show his own color but APC have to put there house in order before the unexpected happen. I rest my case.

I took note, but wanted to correct your notion that there was consensus arraingment or agreement among coliaton parties involved to share positions. And at no time did Tinubu imposed his preffered candidates on the party.

If the foundation is destroyed how will the righteous stand.

Re those senators oblivious of wot happened to us dat had tvc but weren't given d opportunity to vote during d general elections? Yeah,they were very much aware dat most ppl frm d Southeast states were defranchised. Did they(aggrieved senators) say anytin abt it? NO! They really don't care abt Us because of their selfish interest/POWER. My lovely advise to those haters(Apc senators)is dat they shuld go suck/tongue twist their underage girls kitten up!!

Reference:
Aha. That is where the APC should be strategically looking. No one has said that so far. The only way you can deal with Saraki is to undermine him from his roots, yes his constituency. How strong is the APC 'leadership' in Kwara relative to Saraki as an institution in Kwara. Have the APC been building institutions in the states they have conquered or have they been leveraging on indigenous 'strong men' to keep these territories. If you are a history buff you will have encountered stories of great empires where these errors have been made time and again. When you conquer a territory what do you do with its king, make him a regent or cut his head off and appoint a traitor in his place. If the APC can answer this question it will go a long way to decide whether it can keep its territories in the midst of strong opposition.

I remember telling someone that the APC handled the south-south very badly. That must be the reason we hardly hear from Amaechi these days. Is Amaechi an asset or a liability to the APC south-south project. Did the APC leverage on the man too much at the expense of building a genuine, broad, pan-delta grass-roots movement. Does it have that capacity in Kwara. That is the question. Fighting Saraki front and centre in the Senate will be like the battle of Iwo Jima where the victors wished they were defeated for the sheer scale of the losses on both sides. Better to undermine him from within, quietly and effectively. But to do that you need serious investments in structures on ground jn the theatre of battle - his constituency.

I bet, if APC as a party, should half the level of treachery that Saraki displayed lately, he'll be finished before this year ends.
He has many enemies than friends in Kwara. I believe Lai should know what to do, but Buhari is falling hands.

A house that is not built on a solid foundation is certainly due to collapse. I will never feel for APC. That party as for as I am concerned is satanic. They simply get what they asked for.

Reference:
That is why Clinton famously said what Africa needs is strong institutions not strong men. You guys were all hailing the dexterity and political sagacity of the Jagbajan. Without a doubt we owe the man for broadening and deepening democracy in Nigeria but at what cost to the institution of the APC. Even as we speak, some are still railing about how Tinubu will 'deal' with Saraki a co-member of the party. How can this 'build'. What exactly is the difference between the two men. None. Both men have equally undermined the APC as a party. Both men want the same thing so by simple iteration they should cancel each other out and let the party as an institution grow. Or continue their power show and blow it all to pieces. It is their choice.

My exasperation is about folks like you who switch between personality cultism and institutional supremacy at will. You simply cannot rely on both. They are mutually exclusive. Institutional building requires selfless sacrifice and I cannot over-emphasize that. The APC must do or die.

Kindly permit me to clearify myself about your exasperation about my post. I have never switch from been a staunch believer of institutional supremacy to personality cultism.

As a devote believer of such, i only emphasied my point on why the norms of the party should supersede that of personal interest. which Tinubu so far abided, as concerns APC.

Concerning what Clinton said ' Africa needs strong institutions and not strong men' i

I agree in part and disagree in part. Why? Institutions are made by Strong men and Strong men must abides by the norms of institutions to make it work.

America had no Institutions immediately after independent but made institutions through strong men who willinlg sacrificed their personal interest to allow it grow.

We need strong men( selfless leaders) who will always put the interest of these institutions firstt before personal interest.

We can't put cart before the horse.










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tinubu a murderer n a thief can not be respected by all naija he is just a local man for d west n his masters d abo..kis.

Who won d seat of d deputy speaker in d lower aous cos it seems d mungono guy lost out.