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Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by malvisguy212: 8:15am On Jun 15, 2015

tbaba12345:
Lol, How many other people do you claim as God's begotten son??

Here Abraham has two sons.

adam was called the son of God and many other, so what your point? Yes, Abraham has two son( Isaac and ishmael) even the quran omit ishmael name in the prophetic blood line. Meaning Isaac was the covenant child.

Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by Nobody: 8:16am On Jun 15, 2015

tbaba12345:
If a crown prince is a second son, he was never a first born son or the only son.

A son from the king legal wife (queen), will be choosen. not from d concubine.

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Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by malvisguy212: 8:20am On Jun 15, 2015

nunamyeong:
A son from the king legal wife (queen), will be choosen. not from d concubine.

don't mind him, he knows all this but still he chose be ignorance.

Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by Scholar8200(m): 8:23am On Jun 15, 2015

Beisdes, Ishmael and Hagar had been sent away by Abraham before this test came. The trial of Abraham is in Genesis 22 which commences with a statement showing that the events in chapter 22 occurred after those recorded in 21

Genesis 22:1

After these events, God tested and proved Abraham and said to him, Abraham! And he said, Here I am.
2 [God] said, Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah; and offer him there as a burnt offering upon one of the mountains of which I will tell you.

The highlighted are all chronicled in chapter 21

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Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by Rilwayne001: 8:26am On Jun 15, 2015

malvisguy212:
bible make it clear, Isaac was born of a divine promise,after the birth of ishmael, God himself still went ahead to promise sarai son because the son is divine.
Ishmael was born of the flesh,this is why the bible say Isaac was his ONLY son. Jesus has brothers but God called him the Only beggoten son in john3:16

What do you mean by "Ishmael was born of the flesh" ?

Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by malvisguy212: 8:31am On Jun 15, 2015

Scholar8200:
Beisdes, Ishmael and Hagar had been sent away by Abraham before this test came. The trial of Abraham is in Genesis 22 which commences with a statement showing that the events in chapter 22 occurred after those recorded in 21

Genesis 22:1

After these events, God tested and proved Abraham and said to him, Abraham! And he said, Here I am.
2 [God] said, Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah; and offer him there as a burnt offering upon one of the mountains of which I will tell you.

The highlighted are all chronicled in chapter 21

excellent brother, you nailed it.

Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by Scholar8200(m): 8:33am On Jun 15, 2015

malvisguy212:
excellent brother, you nailed it.

Glory to God and Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ!

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Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by Nobody: 8:58am On Jun 15, 2015

nunamyeong:
A son from the king legal wife (queen), will be choosen. not from d concubine.

Hagar was a legitimate wife not a concubine.

Still, Isaac was never an only son.

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Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by malvisguy212: 9:27am On Jun 15, 2015

Rilwayne001:
What do you mean by "Ishmael was born of the flesh" ?

1 Corinthians 15:46New Living
Translation (NLT)
46 What comes first is the natural body,
then the spiritual body comes later.

Sarah was wrong when she told Abraham to marry Hagar ( Gen. 16:1-2), but she was right when she told Abraham to send Hagar and Ishmael out of the camp.
God promise Abraham he will make him a father of all nation with sarai. But they were growing old and sarai was inpatient, so she told Abraham to sleep with hager, God has noting to do with this plan of sarai.

But for Isaac, it was God himself that promise sarai a son name Isaac. Isaac was born of a divine promise but ishmael was of the flesh.

Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by malvisguy212: 9:32am On Jun 15, 2015

tbaba12345:
Hagar was a legitimate wife not a concubine.

Still, Isaac was never an only son.

yes, by legal right hager was Abraham wife, but God himself sanctioned the sending away of hager and ishmael, and NO one say Isaac was the only son BUT when God command Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, by then ishmael and his mother had long gone, that make Isaac the ONLY son presently with Abraham.

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Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by malvisguy212: 9:34am On Jun 15, 2015

Scholar8200:
Glory to God and Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ!

a very big AMEN.

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Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by Nobody: 9:52am On Jun 15, 2015

malvisguy212:
yes, by legal right hager was Abraham wife, but God himself sanctioned the sending away of hager and ishmael, and NO one say Isaac was the only son BUT when God command Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, by then ishmael and his mother had long gone, that make Isaac the ONLY son presently with Abraham.

This makes little sense. So if one child is away, does that make the second child only huh

That does not fly.

Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by malvisguy212: 9:58am On Jun 15, 2015

tbaba12345:
This makes little sense. So if one child is away, does that make the second child only

That does not fly.

let me repeat myself again:

God did not command Abraham to sleep with hager, it was sarai who advice Abraham to do it meaning God had no hand in ishmael birth, in a real sense As long as God is concerned, He ONLY recognised Isaac as Abraham son because that's what he promise him.

Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by malvisguy212: 10:02am On Jun 15, 2015

Rilwayne001:
This is a thread that deserved to be on FP..Very insightful

this thread also deserve to be on the homepage. We need answer from muslims
https://www.nairaland.com/2374316/which-one-correct

Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by Scholar8200(m): 10:11am On Jun 15, 2015

Besides, it's no trial of faith to Abraham if Ishmael was the reference! Isaac,the son of promise, was already born! It becomes a trial when Ishmael being sent off, there will be no one to fall back on if Isaac was to be sacrificed

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