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| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by An2elect2(f): 12:04pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
Lateralmaths:Amen! your signature tho ?? |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by Nobody: 12:53pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
Barnabaseloka:Gen15,Rom4,Rom5,Gal3 |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by Barnabaseloka(m): 1:18pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
sportsmaster:Gen.15:6 And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness. Rom.4:3 For what does the Scripture say? Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Gal.3:6 Just as Abraham believed and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Now in all these passages above, can you show me where it is written as you quoted 'Abraham believed God ONCE and it was accounted unto him for righteousness? Remember I asked you if writing ONCE was a mistake on your part which you did not admit to, but showed me some passages of the Scripture. I will like to continue this discussion but not until you show me where that word 'once' is written both in the passages above or anywhere in the bible. |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by Nobody: 8:44pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
Barnabaseloka:pardon me bro.i did not quote word for word. but Abraham did not believe God twenty times.it was the first time he believed that it was counted as righteousness.Even after he has been declared righteous,He still doubted God later see the verses below.notice the bolded text. Gen 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. Gen 17:2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. Gen 17:3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, Gen 17:4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Gen 17:5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. Gen 17:6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. Gen 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Gen 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God. Gen 17:9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. Gen 17:10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. Gen 17:11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. Gen 17:12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. Gen 17:13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. Gen 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant. Gen 17:15 And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be. Gen 17:16 And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her. Gen 17:17 Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear? he clearly doubted God in vs17,but what the scriptures reckons about Abraham is that he is was declared righteous because he believed God. |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by Barnabaseloka(m): 1:57pm On Jun 21, 2015 |
sportsmaster:Ok. I now understand you. But you know that 'believing' God is a continuous process The 'once' you mean is 'initial believing'.Anraham continued to believe God and the promise was fulfilled to him. |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by NumberOne2(m): 2:24am On Jun 23, 2015 |
I asked this question before and it was ignored: You probably know or heard of Atheists who were once Born again Christians but now deny God. They even convince other Christians to fall from the faith (to deny God's existence). So will this Atheist also make it to Heaven because they were ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED? So sportsmaster, is the above Atheist still saved? |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by Nobody: 4:00am On Jun 23, 2015 |
NumberOne2:salvation is a gift from God,one can choose to receive or reject it. |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by Barnabaseloka(m): 9:45am On Jun 23, 2015 |
NumberOne2:NO. |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by NumberOne2(m): 12:02pm On Jun 23, 2015 |
sportsmaster:The Atheist in my question was once saved. So let me get you. You can be saved once until you reject salvation? |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by Nobody: 3:18pm On Jun 23, 2015 |
NumberOne2:See this Guy O,U want to answer all your questions abi,Oya Grab ur bible and study by yourself and find out. No be me be ur Pastor. |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by Nobody: 3:24pm On Jun 23, 2015 |
matt12:31:- All manner of Sin and blasphemy will be forgiven but blasphemy against the Holy spirit will not be forgiven,not only in this world,even that which is to come.. lemme give you the back ground of this text,so you will not take it out of CONTEXT. Jesus had explained earlier and also further explained that,the work of the Holy Ghost is to convict the world of sin and convince them to believe the Gospel(Christ). Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost in this Context to "reject,refuse,ignore" salvation i.e Unbelief towards the Gospel of Christ,that is the only Sin that cannot be forgiven. My advice for you bro.Study harder.. Visit livingwordmedia.org and search for teachings,view several topics,check the article section. There is a teaching on, when(if) believers sin.. Spend quality time to Study. SELAH |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by NumberOne2(m): 4:57pm On Jun 23, 2015 |
sportsmaster:This long essay is not neccessary. Just answer the question and you will see that it goes agains "saved once, always saved theory". There are many of such ex-Christian Atheists around. If they will make it to Heaven, I guess angel Lucifer will also. PS: The Holy Spirit is better than any Pastor or Website. Listen to Him (meditate on the Word) |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by Nobody: 5:05pm On Jun 23, 2015 |
NumberOne2:Is Ephesians 4:11-13:- in your bible. You know nothing bro.. then Grab your bible and study. like you said PS: The Holy Spirit is better than any Pastor or Website. Listen to Him (meditate on the Word) |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by Nobody: 5:12pm On Jun 23, 2015 |
NumberOne2:this is why people like you have very little knowledge of the Word. You dont know the role of Pastors,elders,apostles,prophets,evangelists.i doubt if you even know their functions. 1tim5:17:- read these scriptures. 1thess5:12 The answer is in between the lines and yet you can see it. see 1peter2:20 or 2peter2:20.. Or do you want a lesson on the subject of Ministry Gifts? |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by NumberOne2(m): 5:24pm On Jun 23, 2015 |
sportsmaster:I know nothing? Hmmm, such arrogance? Is that a fruit of the Spirit? Now I see the problem. The scripture you quoted is true: Eph:4:11-13 How come you missed vs 14 of the same passage? That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive - Ephesians 4:14 Also see: These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. - Act 17:11 Finally, I hope you will be able to answer my SIMPLE question below or you could ask your Pastor. Cheers. NumberOne2: |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by Nobody: 5:36pm On Jun 23, 2015 |
NumberOne2:are those people referred in vs 14 ,the same as those referred to in vs 11..? Never take scriptures out of context. Always study referrentially. i never said you know nothing,I said you know little. Pick your bible and study I told u earlier you have little knowledge of the word? |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by Nobody: 5:41pm On Jun 23, 2015 |
NumberOne2:the Problem is you are not submissive enough to learn from your pastors. The scripture you even quoted where Jesus said the "Holy Spirit will teach u all things",you failed the interpretation,you took it out of context. If the Holy spirit is to teach us all things,then there will be no need for Ephesians 4:8-13,there would be no need for the Pastors,teachers and other ministry Gifts. Always have precise understanding of any subject before you start arguing about it |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by NumberOne2(m): 5:46pm On Jun 23, 2015 |
sportsmaster:In BOLD. You did say I know nothing. Both statements made by you... but its okay. Goodluck sportsmaster: |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by Nobody: 6:34pm On Jun 23, 2015 |
NumberOne2:Oya no Vex bro. I'm always hard when people are not so sure of something and they keep arguing about it and the refuse to accept the truth. My Sincerest Apologies |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by Marchman: 7:21pm On Jun 23, 2015 |
Both those who are for and against the belief of once saved and always saved are right, using selective scriptures to back up their points. This leaves me a little bit confused. The bible seems to be contradictory in some cases and this explains why there is no uniformity of beliefs in Christianity. |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by Barnabaseloka(m): 8:35pm On Jun 23, 2015 |
sportsmaster:Maybe you are one of those who swallow pastors' messages hook, line and sinker, all in the name of 'rhema' or 'inspired messages'. No pastor is greater than the word of God or the Holy Spirit. It is true that pastors preach or teach the word of God, but you have to be wise like the 'Bereans'. If not you will easily be deceived these days. You believe in 'once saved ever saved'. Let me ask you a simple question. Christians know that 'sexual immorality' is a sin. When someone who had been saved engages in sexual immorality and dies in such lifestyle, will the person go to heaven? |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by Ubenedictus(m): 10:31pm On Jun 23, 2015 |
Barnabaseloka:amen! |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by Nobody: 10:38pm On Jun 23, 2015*. Modified: 10:57pm On Jun 23, 2015 |
Barnabaseloka:I am [size=22pt]NOT[/size] your pastor bro. study your bible and find out for yourself. Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Heb 10:5 [bWherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered [b]one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; Heb 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God; Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by Lateralmaths(op): 4:57am On Jun 24, 2015 |
[quote author=Barnabaseloka post=34956726]Can you show me where it was stated that Abraham believed God ONCE and it was accounted unto him for righteousness or was it a mistake on your part? Yes, there are WORKS (actions) that back up one's FAITH, Galatians 2:20 KJV I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by Lateralmaths(op): 5:13am On Jun 24, 2015 |
NumberOne2:. Hebrews 6 1 So let us stop going over the basic teachings about Christ again and again. Let us go on instead and become mature in our understanding. Surely we don’t need to start again with the fundamental importance of repenting from evil deeds and placing our faith in God. 2 You don’t need further instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3 And so, God willing, we will move forward to further understanding. 4 For it is impossible to bring back to repentance those who were once enlightened—those who have experienced the good things of heaven and shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the power of the age to come—6 and who then turn away from God. It is impossible to bring such people back to repentance; by rejecting the Son of God, they themselves are nailing him to the cross once again and holding him up to public shame. 7 When the ground soaks up the falling rain and bears a good crop for the farmer, it has God’s blessing. 8 But if a field bears thorns and thistles, it is useless. The farmer will soon condemn that field and burn it. 9 Dear friends, even though we are talking this way, we really don’t believe it applies to you. We are confident that you are meant for better things, things that come with salvation. look at verse 9 properly. |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by Nobody: 6:25am On Jun 24, 2015 |
Lateralmaths:you be [size=33pt]CORRECT GUY[/size]. i laugh at those who just pick one verse of the bible and build doctrine on it. |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by italo: 6:48am On Jun 24, 2015 |
@Lateralmaths, You just disappeared on me and reappeared only to pretend you I never asked you anything. Is that how you do when someone disproves your heresy through scripture? Here are my questions again: What prize that is not salvation was Paul talking about in 1Cor9:24? James2:24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. What is James referring to here? Salvation or not? |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by Nobody: 7:42am On Jun 24, 2015 |
italo:i always warn all the time.Dont take things ouf of context.. |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by italo: 7:46am On Jun 24, 2015 |
sportsmaster:If you don't have anything reasonable or relevant to say, please keep quiet and let someone who has something to say speak. Thank you for your cooperation. |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by Scholar8200(m): 8:14am On Jun 24, 2015*. Modified: 8:58am On Jun 24, 2015 |
To the op (and his band of supporters), can you explain this in the light of your claim: 2 Peter 2:20,21 20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through [the full, personal] knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they again become entangled in them and are overcome, their last condition is worse [for them] than the first. 21 For never to have obtained a [full, personal] knowledge of the way of righteousness would have been better for them than, having obtained [such knowledge], to turn back from the holy commandment which was [verbally] delivered to them. and Hebrews 10:26-29 [b]26 For if we go on deliberately and willingly sinning after once acquiring the knowledge of the Truth, there is no longer any sacrifice left to atone for [our] sins [no further offering to which to look forward]. 27 [There is nothing left for us then] but a kind of awful and fearful prospect and expectation of divine judgment and the fury of burning wrath and indignation which will consume those who put themselves in opposition [to God]. 28 Any person who has violated and [thus] rejected and set at naught the Law of Moses is put to death without pity or mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse (sterner and heavier) punishment do you suppose he will be judged to deserve who has spurned and [thus] trampled underfoot the Son of God, and who has considered the covenant blood by which he was consecrated common and unhallowed, thus profaning it and insulting and outraging the [Holy] Spirit [Who imparts] grace (the unmerited favor and blessing of God)? [/b] |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by Barnabaseloka(m): 8:36am On Jun 24, 2015 |
sportsmaster:You have not answered my question. You quoted only the scriptures to lay hold on your claim. Let me give you more of the scriptures. Ez.18:24 But when a RIGHTEOUS man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? ALL the righteousness which he has done shall NOT be REMEMBERED because of the unfaithfulness of which he is GUILTY and the SIN which he has committed, because of them he shall die. Mt.7:21 Not everyone who says to Me Lord, Lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who DOES the WILL of My Father in heaven. Gal.5:19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanliness, lewdness. 20. Idollatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissemsions, heresies. 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, AND THE LIKE, of which I tell you BEFOREHAND , just as I also told you in time past, that those who PRACTICE such things WILL NOT inherit the kingdom of God. 1 john 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who PRACTICES righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning... Rev.2:5 Remember therefore from where you have fallen, REPENT and DO the first WORKS, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place- unless you REPENT. 10 ..... Be FAITHFUL until death, and I will give you the crown of life. Mt.24:13 But he who ENDURES to the END shall be saved. Rev.21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone which is the second death. Go back and read Heb.10:23-24 which you quoted. Heb.10:26 For if we sin WILLFULLY after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgement, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28. Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29. Of how MUCH WORSE punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? I tell you that 'once saved ever saved' is from the 'darkest part' of hell that the devil has used to make christians careless in the way they live their lives. What shows that one is a new creation is not just the inner cleansing, but also the FRUIT (works) of the person. Answer my question. Will one who had been saved, yet engages in sexual immorality, and dies in such lifestyle going to inherit the Kingdom of God? |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved by Barnabaseloka(m): 8:53am On Jun 24, 2015 |
Lateralmaths:Why did you stop at Vs.9? 10. For God is not unjust to forget your WORK and labor of love which you have shown toward His name, in that you have mnistered to the saints and so minister. 11. And we desire that each one of you show the same diligence to the full assurance of hope UNTIL the END. 12. That you do not become sluggish, but imitate those who through faith and patience inherit the promises. |
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