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MuttleyLaff:
What Jephthah did in Judges 11:31 was to conflate two vows, making this appear to an untrained or unsuspecting eye to be one vow.

Judges 11:31 as a matter of fact and truth, is a coded verse, wrapping up or encompassing two vows

Judges 11:31
Then it shall be, that whatsoever comes forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon,
shall surely be the LORD'S,
and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.

Vow #1:
"whatsoever comes forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD'S"

Vow #2:
"and I will offer it up for a burnt offering."

Judges 11:31, in relation to the vows, is explained like this:

Referring to Vow #1:
Whatsoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me shall surely be the LORD'S (i.e. will be given over to God devoted to service)

Referring to Vow #2:
Better still, if it happens to be an IT (i.e. an animal AND NOT a human being) then I will offer IT, the animal up for a burnt offering
This will be and serve as a bonus.

Judges 11:34-37
³⁴When Jephthah returned home to Mizpah, his daughter came out to meet him, playing on a tambourine and dancing for joy.
She was his one and only child; he had no other sons or daughters.
³⁵When he saw her, he tore his clothes in anguish.
“Oh, my daughter!” he cried out. “You have completely destroyed me! You’ve brought disaster on me!
For I have made a vow to the Lord, and I cannot take it back.”
³⁶And she said, “Father, if you have made a vow to the Lord,
you must do to me what you have vowed, for the Lord has given you a great victory over your enemies, the Ammonites.
³⁷But first let me do this one thing: Let me go up and roam in the hills and weep with my friends for two months, because I will die a virgin

We can see from the above Judges 11:34-37 verses that when Jephthah's daughter came out to meet him, father and daughter instantly knew the fate of the daughter is now a lifetime of celibacy (i.e. she now never will marry & she'll be sexually abstinent) and dedication to God (i.e. as per vow #1)

People like johnydon22 will go back to posts, and edit them after falling flat on face, when caught slipping not only misunderstanding "gender-specific pronouns" but also found wanting trying to correctly use "third person singular pronouns"

He tried to pass "it" (i.e. a "gender-neutral pronoun'') for a human being instead of correctly using "him" or "her" (i.e. "gender-specific pronouns'')

What he doesnt know is that gender-neutral pronouns like "it", is used usually for babies or kids,
and in some circumstances, where for instance the sex is unknown or indefinite
Example: When the new baby arrives, "IT" is going to sleep in mummy's room.

Moving forward it needs to be recognised and understood that the "it" in Judges 11:31 is referring to an animal and not a human being or Jephthah's daughter because instead of a gender-specific pronoun insertion, it is a gender-neutral pronoun, that is in the verse

Judges 11:37-40
³⁷ And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows.
³⁸ And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.
³⁹ And it came to pass at the end of two months,
that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man.
And it was a custom in Israel,
⁴⁰ That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.

Lastly, there, up above is the concrete and scriptural evidence in Judges 11:39, that though there was a bit of delay in paying vow #1,
it eventually got paid when Jephthah's daughter after two months, gave herself up to her fate of a lifetime "seminary work" in God's presence or temple

Vow #2 however was a DOA, as God is not interested and doesnt accept human burnt offerings anyways.
No animal, acceptable as a burnt offering to God, came out to meet Jephthah so nothing to offer as burning offering here
Vow #2 is not binding, as no animal, so no contest with vow #2

Wonderful analysis!...On point bro.

MuttleyLaff:
... and who were the Israelites and Ahaz offering and doing the human sacrifices to?
Did God not disapprove and speak out against it?
Tjayjosh, these guys will always throw in distractions, throw in the towel and/or veer off the topic when clutching straws & running out of steam,

PS: meanwhile next time Tjayjosh, if doing verbatim, give credit where credit is due

Human sacrifice is attributable to idol worship. It originated from Ammon, through worship of their detestable god molech. Isreal got entangled with the act as a result of their failure to drive out, to destroy all the idols and to break down the images of pagan nations in the land of canaan. And so King Ahaz was so deeply involved in idol worship and occult practices that he destroyed his own sons by sacrificing them to false gods (2kings 16:3). This practice was very offensive and was strictly forbidden by God. Bro what we see on NL is a manifestation of the spirit of rebellion that will be evident in the last days. That point will be characterized by the complete ridicule, rejection and rebellion against any standards and commands established in the bible.

Tjayjosh:
Human sacrifice is attributable to idol worship. It originated from Ammon, through worship of their detestable god molech. Isreal got entangled with the act as a result of their failure to drive out, to destroy all the idols and to break down the images of pagan nations in the land of canaan. And so King Ahaz was so deeply involved in idol worship and occult practices that he destroyed his own sons by sacrificing them to false gods (2kings 16:3). This practice was very offensive and was strictly forbidden by God. Bro what we see on NL is a manifestation of the spirit of rebellion that will be evident in the last days. That point will be characterized by the complete ridicule, rejection and rebellion against any standards and commands established in the bible.

Yea that's true if and only if this passage of the bible is a lie;

New International Version Romans 3:25
God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood--to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished.




When will people have sense? Why must you associate yourselves with a monster that demands blood before he blesses you? Can't you see these things are just stories just like batman,superman, flash and other Hollywood movies you've been watching?

I sorry for Africans. You think the white man would defend the bible if all it's good characters are black men and the devil a white man?

I'm not judging you, I was once like you. Very foolish and naive. But take your time and read the bible without any fear, then you'd be amazed at the nonsense you've been believing.

emrain:
Yea that's true if and only if this passage of the bible is a lie;

New International Version Romans 3:25
God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood--to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished.




When will people have sense? Why must you associate yourselves with a monster that demands blood before he blesses you? Can't you see these things are just stories just like batman,superman, flash and other Hollywood movies you've been watching?

I sorry for Africans. You think the white man would defend the bible if all it's good characters are black men and the devil a white man?

I'm not judging you, I was once like you. Very foolish and naive. But take your time and read the bible without any fear, then you'd be amazed at the nonsense you've been believing.

The sacrifice of christ is a great mystery which little minds like yours cannot comprehend.

MuttleyLaff's personal text.

TO YOU

"Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed"
Friedrich Nietzsch

I have read the posts from others and now I will make my own analysis.
It was clear that God commanded the children of Israel not to sacrifice their children as other nations did.

In Judges 11:30, Jephthah made a VOW unto God.
Deut.23:21 When you make a VOW to the Lord your God, you shall not delay to pay it; for the Lord your God will surely require it of you, and it would be sin to you.
22. But if you abstain from vowing, it shall not be sin to you.
Ecc.5:4 When you make a VOW to God, do not delay to pay it; for He has no pleasure in fools. PAY what you have VOWED-
5. Better NOT to VOW, than to vow and NOT PAY it.
Jephthah was so quick to make such VOW, without considering that it could be a human that would come out first to meet him. All he wanted was victory over the Ammonites.

Know that Jephthah did not make TWO vows, but ONE. The second sentence was a continuation of the first. Let us take a look at it:
In Judges 11:31, 'whatever' meaning 'human' or 'animal' that comes out shall surely be the Lord's (showing who would accept the 'whatever' that comes out), and I will offer IT (the whatever) up as a BURNT offering (an offering that must pass through FIRE). You can read the book of Leviticus for further explanation on burnt offerings. So we can see that whatever (human or animal) that came out to meet Jephthah would be given to God in the form of an offeirng that would pass through fire (BURNT offering).

In Judges 11:34, the bible was very careful to state the status of the daughter- she was the ONLY child. This shows how painful it would be on Jephthah in fulfilling the VOW. This pain was manifested by Jephthah in the verse that followed.
In vs. 35, Jephthah tore his clothes and said some heart-touching statements to the daughter in these ways: Alas my daughter! You have brought me low! You are among those who trouble me! For I have given my word (VOW) to the Lord, and I cannot go back on it. Though God did not permit the Israelites to offer their children as sacrifice, yet a VOW remained a VOW, and must be fulfilled.

In vs 36. The daughter, having realised the vow the father took, urged him to fulfil it. This is because the Lord had fulfilled His own part by giving Jephthar victory. So it was left for Jephthar to fulfil his VOW.
In vs. 39, Jephthah fulfilled his VOW by offering his daughter as a BURNT offering unto God, in that she died as a virgin- she knew no man. A custom was set up in Israel to lament her, which proved that she died.
Vs.40 (I will start this way) And it became a custom in Israel that the daughters of Israel went four days each year to LAMENT the daughter of Jephthah, the Gileadite.

1. Why would the daughters of Israel lament four days each year for a person who was not dead?
2. What if it were an animal (as included in the 'whatever') that met Jephthar, would not the animal be used as a BURNT offering to fulfil the VOW? Or would the animal be kept alive when it would be given to God?

MuttleyLaff:
The human sacrifice that God wants, is us to do die to self.

Powerful words

Barnabaseloka:
I have read the posts from others and now I will make my own analysis.
It was clear that God commanded the children of Israel not to sacrifice their children as other nations did.

In Judges 11:30, Jephthah made a VOW unto God.
Deut.23:21 When you make a VOW to the Lord your God, you shall not delay to pay it; for the Lord your God will surely require it of you, and it would be sin to you.
22. But if you abstain from vowing, it shall not be sin to you.
Ecc.5:4 When you make a VOW to God, do not delay to pay it; for He has no pleasure in fools. PAY what you have VOWED-
5. Better NOT to VOW, than to vow and NOT PAY it.
Jephthah was so quick to make such VOW, without considering that it could be a human that would come out first to meet him. All he wanted was victory over the Ammonites.

Know that Jephthah did not make TWO vows, but ONE. The second sentence was a continuation of the first. Let us take a look at it:
In Judges 11:31, 'whatever' meaning 'human' or 'animal' that comes out shall surely be the Lord's (showing who would accept the 'whatever' that comes out), and I will offer IT (the whatever) up as a BURNT offering (an offering that must pass through FIRE). You can read the book of Leviticus for further explanation on burnt offerings. So we can see that whatever (human or animal) that came out to meet Jephthah would be given to God in the form of an offeirng that would pass through fire (BURNT offering).

In Judges 11:34, the bible was very careful to state the status of the daughter- she was the ONLY child. This shows how painful it would be on Jephthah in fulfilling the VOW. This pain was manifested by Jephthah in the verse that followed.
In vs. 35, Jephthah tore his clothes and said some heart-touching statements to the daughter in these ways: Alas my daughter! You have brought me low! You are among those who trouble me! For I have given my word (VOW) to the Lord, and I cannot go back on it. Though God did not permit the Israelites to offer their children as sacrifice, yet a VOW remained a VOW, and must be fulfilled.

In vs 36. The daughter, having realised the vow the father took, urged him to fulfil it. This is because the Lord had fulfilled His own part by giving Jephthar victory. So it was left for Jephthar to fulfil his VOW.
In vs. 39, Jephthah fulfilled his VOW by offering his daughter as a BURNT offering unto God, in that she died as a virgin- she knew no man. A custom was set up in Israel to lament her, which proved that she died.
Vs.40 (I will start this way) And it became a custom in Israel that the daughters of Israel went four days each year to LAMENT the daughter of Jephthah, the Gileadite.

1. Why would the daughters of Israel lament four days each year for a person who was not dead?
2. What if it were an animal (as included in the 'whatever') that met Jephthar, would not the animal be used as a BURNT offering to fulfil the VOW? Or would the animal be kept alive when it would be given to God?

Only a fool will argue that she wasn't made a human suya.

Meanwhile, this is just a fictional story to help people control their tongue. Do not try it at home, it's not a true life story.

emrain:
Only a fool will argue that she wasn't made a human suya.

Meanwhile, this is just a fictional story to help people control their tongue. Do not try it at home, it's not a true life story.

So you believe that this is a fiction? Why would the daughters of Israel lament four days each year as a custom in Israel for someone in a fictional story?
I agree with you that it teaches people to control their tongues.

Tjayjosh:
Human sacrifice is attributable to idol worship. It originated from Ammon, through worship of their detestable god molech. Isreal got entangled with the act as a result of their failure to drive out, to destroy all the idols and to break down the images of pagan nations in the land of canaan. And so King Ahaz was so deeply involved in idol worship and occult practices that he destroyed his own sons by sacrificing them to false gods (2kings 16:3). This practice was very offensive and was strictly forbidden by God. Bro what we see on NL is a manifestation of the spirit of rebellion that will be evident in the last days. That point will be characterized by the complete ridicule, rejection and rebellion against any standards and commands established in the bible.

I'll prefer to stick to the alleged "Jephthah sacrificed his daughter as a human burning offering to God" topic than yielding to these "...little minds like yours cannot comprehend...", King Ahaz, Josiah, Molech, Baal, pagan temple desecrations, human sacrifices etc distractions or diversions

Barnabaseloka:
I have read the posts from others and now I will make my own analysis.
[size=5pt]It was clear that God commanded the children of Israel not to sacrifice their children as other nations did.

In Judges 11:30, Jephthah made a VOW unto God.
Deut.23:21 When you make a VOW to the Lord your God, you shall not delay to pay it; for the Lord your God will surely require it of you, and it would be sin to you.
22. But if you abstain from vowing, it shall not be sin to you.
Ecc.5:4 When you make a VOW to God, do not delay to pay it; for He has no pleasure in fools. PAY what you have VOWED-
5. Better NOT to VOW, than to vow and NOT PAY it.
Jephthah was so quick to make such VOW, without considering that it could be a human that would come out first to meet him. All he wanted was victory over the Ammonites.

Know that Jephthah did not make TWO vows, but ONE. The second sentence was a continuation of the first. Let us take a look at it:
In Judges 11:31, 'whatever' meaning 'human' or 'animal' that comes out shall surely be the Lord's (showing who would accept the 'whatever' that comes out), and I will offer IT (the whatever) up as a BURNT offering (an offering that must pass through FIRE). You can read the book of Leviticus for further explanation on burnt offerings. So we can see that whatever (human or animal) that came out to meet Jephthah would be given to God in the form of an offeirng that would pass through fire (BURNT offering).

In Judges 11:34, the bible was very careful to state the status of the daughter- she was the ONLY child. This shows how painful it would be on Jephthah in fulfilling the VOW. This pain was manifested by Jephthah in the verse that followed.
In vs. 35, Jephthah tore his clothes and said some heart-touching statements to the daughter in these ways: Alas my daughter! You have brought me low! You are among those who trouble me! For I have given my word (VOW) to the Lord, and I cannot go back on it. Though God did not permit the Israelites to offer their children as sacrifice, yet a VOW remained a VOW, and must be fulfilled.

In vs 36. The daughter, having realised the vow the father took, urged him to fulfil it. This is because the Lord had fulfilled His own part by giving Jephthar victory. So it was left for Jephthar to fulfil his VOW.
In vs. 39, Jephthah fulfilled his VOW by offering his daughter as a BURNT offering unto God, in that she died as a virgin- she knew no man. A custom was set up in Israel to lament her, which proved that she died.
Vs.40 (I will start this way) And it became a custom in Israel that the daughters of Israel went four days each year to LAMENT the daughter of Jephthah, the Gileadite. [/size]

If am not mistaken, you're one of those, who 9 times out of 10, jumps in threads with both feet, so I am not surprised of your post above disputing there's one vow instead of two vows

EXAMPLE of two places in a sentence.
I am going to going to London AND I will head off to the US
How many destinations am I going to? 1 destination or 2 destinations?

EXAMPLE of two items in a sentence
Bread AND butter
How many consumables in that sentence? 1 or 2?

WHATEVER of course, means everything or anything and that is including WHOEVER or WHOMSOEVER
but the next context in Judges 11:31, for obvious, excludes WHOEVER or WHOMSOEVER,
which is why in the "b-part" of Judges 11:31, "IT" is used instead of other pronouns such as "HIM" or "HER"
This to specifically indicate that this "b-part" or if you like, second vow, as in Vow #2, has nothing to do with humans but more to do with animals

Barnabaseloka:
1. Why would the daughters of Israel lament four days each year for a person who was not dead?

Because of empathy.
This public yearly display is a form of showing understanding or support for another who surrendered herself to her fate or destiny

You seem to think "lamenting" is only associated with death or the loss of a dear one
People lament and complain of all sorts of things other than death

LAMENT:
Express regret or disappointment about something.
EXAMPLE "She lamented the lack of shops in the town"

Barnabaseloka:
2. What if it were an animal (as included in the 'whatever') that met Jephthar,
would not the animal be used as a BURNT offering to fulfil the VOW?
Or would the animal be kept alive when it would be given to God?

If the animal was the sort acceptable to God for burnt offering, of course, that is "SUYA" right there for you to see
but it will be first dedicated to God as per Vow #1, before Vow #2 kicks in
only that in this case it wasnt an animal that first came to meet Jephthar, it was his daughter
so as it is Jephthar's daughter who came out first to meet him, only Vow #1 is operative, Vow #2 is rendered null and void.
Vow #2, without any contest, is kaput, rendered inoperative

emrain:
Only a fool will argue that she wasn't made a human suya.

It takes a fool to recognise another fool, only you're recognising a chimerical fool

emrain:
Meanwhile, this is just a fictional story to help people control their tongue. Do not try it at home, it's not a true life story.

Fictional story or not a fictional story, unbeknownst to you, your "not try it at home" advice, is the only intelligent bit in that post

[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=35004652]If am not mistaken, you're one of those, who 9 times out of 10, jumps in threads with both feet, so I am not surprised of your post above disputing there's one vow instead of two vows

EXAMPLE of two places in a sentence.
I am going to going to London AND I will head off to the US
How many destinations am I going to? 1 destination or 2 destinations?

EXAMPLE of two items in a sentence
Bread AND butter
How many consumables in that sentence? 1 or 2?

WHATEVER of course, means everything or anything and that is including WHOEVER or WHOMSOEVER
but the next context in Judges 11:31, for obvious, excludes WHOEVER or WHOMSOEVER,
which is why n the b-part of Judges 11:31, "IT" is used instead of other pronouns such as "HIM" or "HER"
This to specifically indicate that this b-part or if you like, second vow, as nothing to do with humans but more to do with animals

/quote]
You can say what you want to say about me in this thread. I read all the posts that were written before me before putting in my own analysis. What is clearly seen there is that Jephthah did not make TWO vows but ONE. The second statement there completes the first. The first is that 'whatever' (human or animal) that came to meet Jephthah belonged to the Lord (who would receive the 'whatever'). While the second is that Jephthah would offer it (the whatever that meets him) as a burnt offering (an offering that must pass through FIRE). I wonder why Jephthah would tear his clothes in sorrow and anguish on sighting his daughter, if it was not for the burnt offering vow he made to God.

Barnabaseloka:
You can say what you want to say about me in this thread. I read all the posts that were written before me before putting in my own analysis.

Sorry if I had offended you and it came out the wrong way, I only posted it and meant it in a light-hearted way

Barnabaseloka:
What is clearly seen there is that Jephthah did not make TWO vows but ONE.
The second statement there completes the first. The first is that 'whatever' (human or animal) that came to meet Jephthah belonged to the Lord (who would receive the 'whatever').
While the second is that Jephthah would offer it (the whatever that meets him) as a burnt offering (an offering that must pass through FIRE).

Its differences in opinions like this, that makes the world go round

Barnabaseloka:
I wonder why Jephthah would tear his clothes in sorrow and anguish on sighting his daughter, if it was not for the burnt offering vow he made to God.

He wasnt expecting a human being, talkless his daughter
He tore his clothes in sorrow and anguish on sighting his daughter, because he knows according to the vow made she is now sentenced to a lifetime of celibacy, dedicated to the service of God for life, be unmarried, abstain from sex, hence no kids or hope of grandkids.
In effect, she technically is about to become a nun.
Is that harrowing enough as the joy of every father, is to hold the hands of their daughter down the aisle and had over in marriage to an eligible male.
This is or none of that is going to happen, hence the public demo and anguish

MuttleyLaff:
Sorry if I had offended you and it came out the wrong way, I only posted it and meant it in a light-hearted way

Its differences in opinions like this, that makes the world go round

He wasnt expecting a human being, talkless his daughter
He tore his clothes in sorrow and anguish on sighting his daughter, because he knows according to the vow made she is now sentenced to a lifetime of celibacy, dedicated to the service of God for life, be unmarried, abstain from sex, hence no kids or hope of grandkids.
In effect, she technically is about to become a nun.
Is that harrowing enough as the joy of every father, is to hold the hands of their daughter down the aisle and had over in marriage to an eligible male.
This is or none of that is going to happen, hence the public demo and anguish

I was not offended by what you said about me. Not at all. Do not mind the harsh tone I used in the beginning. Everyone is entitled to his opinions.

If it was for a life of celibacy, Jephthah would not have torn his clothes. It would have been something pleasant to him that his daughter was to be dedicated to God, even as a virgin. I hope you remember about Hannah and Samuel? When one is dedicated to God to serve Him, or dedicates himself to God, it does not call for anguish and sorrow, but of joy. I still believe that Jephthah tore his clothes to show how painful and sorrowful it was for him to have sighted his only child, as a result of the 'sacrificing' vow he made to God.

Barnabaseloka:
So you believe that this is a fiction? Why would the daughters of Israel lament four days each year as a custom in Israel for someone in a fictional story?
I agree with you that it teaches people to control their tongues.

Same reason why people celebrate Christmas and easter in Nigeria.

Barnabaseloka:
I was not offended by what you said about me. Not at all. Do not mind the harsh tone I used in the beginning. Everyone is entitled to his opinions.

Respect. Have a kolanut.

Barnabaseloka:
If it was for a life of celibacy, Jephthah would not have torn his clothes.
It would have been something pleasant to him that his daughter was to be dedicated to God, even as a virgin.

Am sure you're joking or just messing about especially after I had posted "as it is the pride and joy of every father, to hold the hands of their daughter down the aisle and hand over her hand in marriage to an eligible male."

Barnabaseloka:
I hope you remember about Hannah and Samuel?
When one is dedicated to God to serve Him, or dedicates himself to God, it does not call for anguish and sorrow, but of joy.
I still believe that Jephthah tore his clothes to show how painful and sorrowful it was for him to have sighted his only child, as a result of the 'sacrificing' vow he made to God.

Of course I do, Hannah's case and Jephthah's are chalk and cheese or apples and oranges
Hannah was expecting a child and promised that child to God
Jephthah, on the other hand wasnt expecting his child, he didnt bank on his child first meeting him, so surely never had her in mind for a/the promise
I can relate with Jephthah, if the shoe was on the other foot, I think I as well, would tear my clothes, tear my clothes in anguish for something I didn't plan to come out the way it has.
It must have been painful and that is why emotions took the better of Jephthah
In fairness, him and his daughter, soon accepted and succumbed to carrying out the relevant and appropriate vow

Let's digress a bit, as you seem so fixated with "tearing clothes" and so building your case on or around it
"Tearing clothes" is a Jewish custom, usually done to publicly show, outrage over something, response to a death, anguish, grief out of loss, express condemnation of something, express going through pain and sorrow etc

Esther 4:1
When Mordecai learned about all that had been done, he tore his clothes,
put on burlap and ashes, and went out into the city, crying with a loud and bitter wail.

Acts 14:13-14
14But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of this, they tore their clothes
and rushed out into the crowd, shouting:
15“Friends, why are you doing this? We too are only human, like you.
We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God,

Genesis 37:29
Some time later, Reuben returned to get Joseph out of the cistern.
When he discovered that Joseph was missing, he tore his clothes in grief.

1 Kings 21:27
And when Ahab heard those words, he tore his clothes
and put sackcloth on his flesh and fasted and lay in sackcloth and went about dejectedly
who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and everything in them.

MuttleyLaff:
Respect. Have a kolanut.

Am sure you're joking or just messing about especially after I had posted "as it is the pride and joy of every father, to hold the hands of their daughter down the aisle and hand over her hand in marriage to an eligible male."

Of course I do, Hannah's case and Jephthah's are chalk and cheese or apples and oranges
Hannah was expecting a child and promised that child to God
Jephthah, on the other hand wasnt expecting his child, he didnt bank on his child first meeting him, so surely never had her in mind for a/the promise
I can relate with Jephthah, if the shoe was on the other foot, I think I as well, would tear my clothes, tear my clothes in anguish for something I didn't plan to come out the way it has.
It must have been painful and that is why emotions took the better of Jephthah
In fairness, him and his daughter, soon accepted and succumbed to carrying out the relevant and appropriate vow

Let's digress a bit, as you seem so fixated with "tearing clothes" and so building your case on or around it
"Tearing clothes" is a Jewish custom, usually done to publicly show, outrage over something, response to a death, anguish, grief out of loss, express condemnation of something, express going through pain and sorrow etc

Esther 4:1
When Mordecai learned about all that had been done, he tore his clothes,
put on burlap and ashes, and went out into the city, crying with a loud and bitter wail.

Acts 14:13-14
14But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of this, they tore their clothes
and rushed out into the crowd, shouting:
15“Friends, why are you doing this? We too are only human, like you.
We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God,

Genesis 37:29
Some time later, Reuben returned to get Joseph out of the cistern.
When he discovered that Joseph was missing, he tore his clothes in grief.

1 Kings 21:27
And when Ahab heard those words, he tore his clothes
and put sackcloth on his flesh and fasted and lay in sackcloth and went about dejectedly
who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and everything in them.

I concur to what you posted on Israelites tearing their clothes. So, it is not that I am fixed to the issue of 'tearing of clothes'. I used it to show the emotions exhibited by Jephthah when he saw his only child.

Barnabaseloka:
I concur to what you posted on Israelites tearing their clothes.
So, it is not that I am fixed to the issue of 'tearing of clothes'.
I used it to show the emotions exhibited by Jephthah when he saw his only child.

https://i57.tinypic.com/34sp9j4.gif

Barnabaseloka:
I still believe that Jephthah tore his clothes
to show how painful and sorrowful it was for him to have sighted his only child,
as a result of the 'sacrificing' vow he made to God.

There is something about your earlier "tearing of clothes" and the "as a result of the 'sacrificing' vow"
What is this 'sacrificing' you're on about?
Sacrificing as how? You dont mind explaining exactly what that is about and what you really mean?

MuttleyLaff:
https://i57.tinypic.com/34sp9j4.gif


There is something about your earlier "tearing of clothes" and the "as a result of the 'sacrificing' vow"
What is this 'sacrificing' you're on about?
Sacrificing as how? You dont mind explaining exactly what that is about and what you really mean?

I have done all the explanations in the first two posts. In summary, I wrote that Jephthah would offer 'whatever' (human or animal) that came to meet him unto God. And it (whaever that came to meet him) would be offered in the form of 'burnt offering' unto God. This is the 'sacrifice' I have written about.

Barnabaseloka:
I have done all the explanations in the first two posts.
In summary, I wrote that Jephthah would offer 'whatever' (human or animal) that came to meet him unto God.
And it (whaever that came to meet him) would be offered in the form of 'burnt offering' unto God.
This is the 'sacrifice' I have written about.

I know what you reckon, only wanted to see it again, in B&W repeated

So, u used d story of Abraham nd Isaac, to conclude jephtar's story.. all the preachings bout jeph, they all said he sacrificed his daughter.. except if the ghost of jephtar came and counter the claim(to you) or God personally told u that.. some people go read Judges, explain chronicles and tell us to understand Habakkuk..

GJames:
11:31. ''Whatever comes out of the door of my house to me when i return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the Lord's, and i will sacrifice it as a BURNT offering''
For sure, this statement was made but how God accepted the offering was never mentioned. Other passages in the Bible however would tell you that God never accepts human sacrifice infact God once told Abraham to offer Isaac as a burnt offering but it never happened.

It's just like me telling u Jesus was never crucified,
That donkey didn't speak to balaam
That fish didn't swallow jonah
David never killed Goliath

Tjayjosh:
How can God accept what he strictly prohibited. Clearly shows that you just read the bible. You don't study.

From Jephtar, to his daughter, from there, to English language, and finally at pronouns.. anyway, I'm just passing by, humming proverbs 26:4-5(kjv) to Johnny don

johnydon22:
modified so as not to sound offensive . .

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/it you can go and read about it.

am clearly done indulging in this where you keep wallowing in your own deception in the face of plain truth

sorextee:
It's just like me telling u Jesus was never crucified,
That donkey didn't speak to balaam
That fish didn't swallow jonah
David never killed Goliath

Make your point.