johnydon22:
And she DIED a virgin.[/b]

Dnarvaez:
Jephthah truely sacrificed his only daughter to God in a form of a dedication and committment. I know you must have expected that her throat be slit and her body chopped into pieces, then burnt, before you'd consider that she was sacrificed.
You really need to be enlightened on affairs of the spirit. Go and read deep, afterwards meditate and grasp what I opined.

GJames:

Your carnal mind keeps decieving you just as it included ''DIED'' in this verse

johnydon22:


Canal mind? Lol.. i take it that spiritual mind means lying so as to change a clear text from your own religious book. . ..

Ok lets see who is deceiving himself and trying to apply this deception on others... Let me add a photo i just snapped from the bible so it will be clear for all to see exactly is deceptive now..

Since obviously "Being spiritual minded" means lying blatantly in the face of simple facts, i'd rather happily remain and wallow in my "canal mindedness"

GJames:

I use King James version and NIV, non of those versions mentioned the word ''died'' but i see that you got yours from another version. ''She died a virgin'' could still mean that she lived the rest of her long live until she eventually died a virgin.
NOTE: that she went to bewail her virginity not any coming death.

johnydon22:
Seriously i thought dishonesty is a sin in christiandom why must you try to employ this blatant dishonesty to propagate your deception...

This is not a subject of argument because am sure everyone has a bible and can just look it up... let us read the story then and see..


Judges 11:30-31
30
And Jephthah made a vow to
the LORD: “If you give the Ammonites into my hands,
31
whatevercomes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in
triumph from the Ammonites will be the LORD’s, and I will sacrifice it
as a [size=20]burnt offering.”[/size]


Key word burnt offering, what else does burnt offering entail if not slit her throat and burn her flesh whole.

Moving on

Verse 39-40

39
After the two months, she returned to her father, and he did
to her as he had vowed. And she died a virgin.
From this comes the Israelite tradition
40
that each year the young women of Israel go out for four days to commemorate the daughter of
Jephthah the Gileadite.

He did as he promised, Offered the burnt offering unto the lord. . . Dude its seriously not right to lie when a particular story in the bible doesn't go well with your idea of a moral action.

Tjayjosh:
Read Leviticus 18:21; 20:2-5; Deuteronomy 12:31; 18:10-12.

johnydon22:


Lmao so Burnt Offering Means what exactly?

she was mourning because she would die a virgin cus she was going to be used as a burnt offering...

I don't know why this is a subject of argument when it is very clear, your deliberate dribbling of truth to uphold emotional sentiments is very glaring and i honestly i can't really be in your shoes now, its very degrading.

The story is very clear. . .

johnydon22:


Yeah sure am sure we are reading a story that was written in Judges 11

Tjayjosh:

How can God accept what he strictly prohibited. Clearly shows that you just read the bible. You don't study.

Tjayjosh:
This issue needs to be dealt with once and for all. A person on this forum brought this up, i believe he was trying to justify his ill feelings toward God. Whatever the reason may be. The bible scholers on this forum can help lay this matter to rest. Based on current research. Jephthah did not sacrifice his daughter to God. It is supported by at least two reasons.

1. He would have known that God's law strictly forbids human sacrifice and that God would not tolerate such an evil act (Lev 18:21; 20:2-5; Dt 12:31; 18:10-12).

2. The use of the phrase "she was a virgin" suggests that the sacrifice involved devoting her entire life to chastity (i.e., remaining a virgin and unmarried for the rest of her life) and service at the national sanctuary (Ex 38:8; 1sa 2:22).

johnydon22:
Did Jephthah use his daughter as a burnt offering (just exactly as the story asserted) or not.?

that was the question. . .

johnydon22:
Am sure the bible didn't mention if god accepted the sacrifice or not after it was made.

MuttleyLaff:
Capital N O.
Jephthah DID NOT use his daughter as a burnt offering
Human burnt offering is an anathema to God
Jephthah knows this
and so never was he planning or had any intention of offering God a human burnt offering

Besides burnt offering always had to do with animals, never had anything to do with human

johnydon22:
Hahahahahahahaha really, so who is telling the truth now.. The biblical story or your assumptive assertions?
Clearly he never intended to sacrifice his daughter and that was why he tore his clothes in dismay when she greeted him.

johnydon22:
The story was very clear.. He promised to use as a Burnt Offering Who ever greeted him first and then in verse 39 he did as he promised...

johnydon22:
it is a very clear and straight story, throwing in your assumptions changes nothing from it.

johnydon22:
Am sure i didn't make the assertion or wrote the story the bible did. .

johnydon22:
And oh again another example of human sacrifice on a more celebrated scale is The Sacrifice of Jesus

MuttleyLaff:
Do you know why he tore his clothes

Steady on johnydon22. Dont go up a creek without a paddle

What is very clear and a straight story is your absolute gobsmacking ignorance

What the bible wrote is very clear, how you're going about maligning it, is the story of your life

Oh, have we switched from human burning offering to human sacrifice now.
If God wants to lay down His life Himself, who has a problem with that?
That's all you have "The Sacrifice of Jesus".
Take that away from you, watch your case collapse, as you're spiritually myopic to discern that the bible is litterred with human sacrifices

johnydon22:
Hahahahahahahaha another bout of ad hominems and no addressing of the post. . . Lmao. . Ok

johnydon22:


Lmao so Burnt Offering Means what exactly?

she was mourning because she would die a virgin cus she was going to be used as a burnt offering...

I don't know why this is a subject of argument when it is very clear, your deliberate dribbling of truth to uphold emotional sentiments is very glaring and i honestly i can't really be in your shoes now, its very degrading.

The story is very clear. . .

waldigit:


The story of jephta brings some lessons. We can learn from it when we rely on Holy Spirit to help. Pls compare his story with case of Abraham. God is the one who instructed him to sacrifice his only son. God stopped him when he knew was prepared to do it. This confirms God is not interested in human sacrifice. Even though he had plans to sacrifice his own only beg gotten son. He knows our weaknesses.
Compared to Jephta who loosely made this vow. One reason why many shall never cease to misunderstand God is that He judges the intent and purpose of the heart. As opposed to mans judicial system of judging observation of independent reasonable observer. What happened to Jephta is a judgement of the intent and purpose of his heart. The judgement of the Lord is pure and righteous altogether.

johnydon22:


Seriously am sure i never argued whether god was interested in the sacrifice or not, whether it desires human sacrifice or not. . That was not the argument. .

It was whether Jephthah sacrifice his daughter or not of which the story shows he did. .
There is no need bringing in whether god want the sacrifice or not because the bible never said if he accepted it or not in the story..so thats not the topic of the thread or my business.

The clear thing was; Jephthah use her as a burnt offering...True or false?

johnydon22:
Seriously am sure i never argued whether god was interested in the sacrifice or not, whether it desires human sacrifice or not. . That was not the argument.

johnydon22:
It was whether Jephthah sacrifice his daughter or not of which the story shows he did.

johnydon22:
There is no need bringing in whether god want the sacrifice or not because the bible never said if he accepted it or not in the story..
so thats not the topic of the thread or my business.

johnydon22:
The clear thing was; Jephthah use her as a burnt offering...True or false?

Dnarvaez:
Jephthah truely sacrificed his only daughter to God in a form of a dedication and committment. I know you must have expected that her throat be slit and her body chopped into pieces, then burnt, before you'd consider that she was sacrificed.
You really need to be enlightened on affairs of the spirit. Go and read deep, afterwards meditate and grasp what I opined.

emrain:
KJV judges.

11:38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.
11:39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his VOW which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel.

Now my question is what was the vow? Human suya or seminary school?

MuttleyLaff:


False

MuttleyLaff:
Two vows were made by Jephthah
None of them were Human suya or seminary school
but if being lenient, maybe in a kind of non-technical way, "seminary school" was one of the two vows.

MuttleyLaff:
Two vows were made by Jephthah
None of them were Human suya or seminary school
but if being lenient, maybe in a kind of non-technical way, "seminary school" was one of the two vows.

emrain:

KJV judges.

11:38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.

11:39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his VOW which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel.



Now my question is what was the vow? Human suya or seminary school?

johnydon22:
Hahahahahahahaha ok no be quarrel, don't get worked up over biblical fables.

So Jephthah fulfilled his vow of burnt offering with a seminary kind of vow?

johnydon22:
show us the verses where he made the two vow...

johnydon22:
n.b- dont bring other verses from other bible books, just the two verses from judges 11 where he made the two vows