₦airaland Forum

barcanista:
Watching the APC caucus of distinguished Senators and Honorable Members of House of Representatives was a shame to behold on Thursday June 26, 2015. It was a shame that the ruling party couldn't put their act in order. More painful is that the incompetence of the ruling party is having effect on the Nigeria State. Here are some observations...

1. SP Saraki and Speaker Dogara Are Naïve, Arrogantly and Ignorant
The positions of Senate and House Leaders and their deputies, and the Chief Whips and their deputies are not appointive offices. It has never been heard in any parliament that the presiding officer determines who occupies these principal offices. For the record, the Majority leader is supposed to be a core party loyalist. He is the primary link between his party and members of the party in the parliament, the majority leader schedules business on the floor by calling bills from the calendar and keeps members of his party advised about the daily legislative program. The Chief Whip is also supposed to be a core party man that enforced discipline on erring party members that conducts themselves against the interests of the party in the parliament. By tradition, the majority party chooses the Majority leader, Chief Whip, Deputy Leader and Deputy whip, while members of the party in the parliament ratify. If the APC says they want Lawan as Senate Leader and Gbajabiamila as House Leader, all that has to be done is for the APC members of the Senate and the House respectively to either ratify the names sent to them by the party leadership or they (members) elect who they want. For SP Saraki and Speaker Dogora to insist on a particular pattern that is not acceptable to majority of their party parliamentarians shows that both men are arrogantly naive. This can't be accepted in any democracy, and accepting it will set a bad precedent for this country.

2. Saraki And APC Have Done Nigeria A Great Disservice
Senator Ali Ndume was indicted in November 2011 to have link with BH. The arrested BH Spokesman Ali Konduga had maintained that Sen Ndume had paid him to send threatening text messages http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-15829203. There are call evidence of Ali Ndume's phone exchange with Boko Haram which the undistinguished Senator admitted after it was extracted by an agent from the Israeli based Digital Forensic http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/12/court-admits-fresh-evidence-linking-ndume-to-boko-haram/. As at the time of the election, Senator Ndume was facing Terrorism trial. Instead of APC to give their ticket to competent hand they gave it to the same Ali Ndume. He was elected thanks to the change propaganda and became a Senator once again rather than clearing his name. Senator Saraki out of selfish interest compounded the woes of Nigerians by imposing an alleged Boko Haram Sponsor as Nigeria's Senate Leader. What a disservice by APC and Bukola Saraki. A shame to Nigeria that the Leader of the Upper House is facing terrorist charges.

3.APC Deserve No Sympathy
APC rode on propaganda and blackmail. It is a gathering of people of different ideologies, different worlds and men of questionable integrity. It isn't filled with men with common goals like what a political party should be. It is filled with men whose sole ambition was to form a consortium to send Jonathan back to Otuoke and GRAB power. APC as a party also encouraged rascality and impunity in the last National Assembly. APC commended and encouraged Tambawal and the 7 rascals PDP Governors for their anti-party activities. It is a shame but the APC encouraged impunity and even rewarded it by giving them political fortune. Now that APC is at the receiving end of the whole thing, and even receiving worse, I don't think it deserve any symparthy. It is a shame that the presiding officers of both Chambers are hell-bent on by-passing common sense just to subvert the interest of majority of the party. At least in 2011 the PDP had their way in choosing the four principal offices when they lost the two presiding offices due to APC instigated rebellion in the House. I understand the plight for the APC but I have no sympathy for the party. I hope they put their act in order.

4. SP Saraki and Speaker Dogara Deserve To Be Served
In the last dispensation, Senator Saraki and Honorable Dogara were part of the new PDP that fought alongside the opposition to cause a wreck to the Jonathan's re-election ambition and the PDP structure. Now they are back to do to their former comrades-at-arm what they did to their former party. If Saraki and Dogara think they will enjoy the support and privileges from the PDP on the long run, they should have their heads examined. The PDP will make a grave mistake by rewarding Saraki and Hon Dogara on the long run. Already PDP has got the Deputy Senate Presidency, the party should understand that Saraki and Dogara need them more that they need those men. In the event that APC wield their big stick on them, the PDP should have in mind the treachery of both men and serve them at latter date. Yes I supported Saraki and Dogara for Senate President and Speaker respectively so as to nullify the APC's arrangement because Nigeria cannot be run like a one-man's business, it is not because they were worth it. That is in the past now. Saraki and Dogara betrayed PDP to benefit from APC, now they turned around to betray APC but must not benefit from PDP

5. APC Should Not Hold Nigeria To Ransom
Nigerians are tired with one day one trouble for APC and their chieftains. The business of Governance is already suffering all because nothing has started. The auto-piloting system that Buhari is running isn't helping matters. Nigerians are tired of hearing APC Governors and other elected officers talking about partisan politics rather than performing the role they were elected to. Enough is enough. APC has already wasted one month of our National life, we can't afford the luxury of wasting important time on the troubles of the ruling party

barcanista:
The PDP guys that supported the rebellious Tambawal/Ihedioha were from the North. They had the guts to do that because the SW base of Mulikat (APC Reps) deserted her and gave support to the NE Tambawal. They took advantage of that. If APC hadn't interfered, Mulikat would have contested unopposed or floor Tambawal

barcanista:
Watching the APC caucus of distinguished Senators and Honorable Members of House of Representatives was a shame to behold on Thursday June 26, 2015. It was a shame that the ruling party couldn't put their act in order. More painful is that the incompetence of the ruling party is having effect on the Nigeria State. Here are some observations...

1. SP Saraki and Speaker Dogara Are Naïve, Arrogantly and Ignorant
The positions of Senate and House Leaders and their deputies, and the Chief Whips and their deputies are not appointive offices. It has never been heard in any parliament that the presiding officer determines who occupies these principal offices. For the record, the Majority leader is supposed to be a core party loyalist. He is the primary link between his party and members of the party in the parliament, the majority leader schedules business on the floor by calling bills from the calendar and keeps members of his party advised about the daily legislative program. The Chief Whip is also supposed to be a core party man that enforced discipline on erring party members that conducts themselves against the interests of the party in the parliament. By tradition, the majority party chooses the Majority leader, Chief Whip, Deputy Leader and Deputy whip, while members of the party in the parliament ratify. If the APC says they want Lawan as Senate Leader and Gbajabiamila as House Leader, all that has to be done is for the APC members of the Senate and the House respectively to either ratify the names sent to them by the party leadership or they (members) elect who they want. For SP Saraki and Speaker Dogora to insist on a particular pattern that is not acceptable to majority of their party parliamentarians shows that both men are arrogantly naive. This can't be accepted in any democracy, and accepting it will set a bad precedent for this country.

2. Saraki And APC Have Done Nigeria A Great Disservice
Senator Ali Ndume was indicted in November 2011 to have link with BH. The arrested BH Spokesman Ali Konduga had maintained that Sen Ndume had paid him to send threatening text messages http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-15829203. There are call evidence of Ali Ndume's phone exchange with Boko Haram which the undistinguished Senator admitted after it was extracted by an agent from the Israeli based Digital Forensic http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/12/court-admits-fresh-evidence-linking-ndume-to-boko-haram/. As at the time of the election, Senator Ndume was facing Terrorism trial. Instead of APC to give their ticket to competent hand they gave it to the same Ali Ndume. He was elected thanks to the change propaganda and became a Senator once again rather than clearing his name. Senator Saraki out of selfish interest compounded the woes of Nigerians by imposing an alleged Boko Haram Sponsor as Nigeria's Senate Leader. What a disservice by APC and Bukola Saraki. A shame to Nigeria that the Leader of the Upper House is facing terrorist charges.

3.APC Deserve No Sympathy
APC rode on propaganda and blackmail. It is a gathering of people of different ideologies, different worlds and men of questionable integrity. It isn't filled with men with common goals like what a political party should be. It is filled with men whose sole ambition was to form a consortium to send Jonathan back to Otuoke and GRAB power. APC as a party also encouraged rascality and impunity in the last National Assembly. APC commended and encouraged Tambawal and the 7 rascals PDP Governors for their anti-party activities. It is a shame but the APC encouraged impunity and even rewarded it by giving them political fortune. Now that APC is at the receiving end of the whole thing, and even receiving worse, I don't think it deserve any symparthy. It is a shame that the presiding officers of both Chambers are hell-bent on by-passing common sense just to subvert the interest of majority of the party. At least in 2011 the PDP had their way in choosing the four principal offices when they lost the two presiding offices due to APC instigated rebellion in the House. I understand the plight for the APC but I have no sympathy for the party. I hope they put their act in order.

4. SP Saraki and Speaker Dogara Deserve To Be Served
In the last dispensation, Senator Saraki and Honorable Dogara were part of the new PDP that fought alongside the opposition to cause a wreck to the Jonathan's re-election ambition and the PDP structure. Now they are back to do to their former comrades-at-arm what they did to their former party. If Saraki and Dogara think they will enjoy the support and privileges from the PDP on the long run, they should have their heads examined. The PDP will make a grave mistake by rewarding Saraki and Hon Dogara on the long run. Already PDP has got the Deputy Senate Presidency, the party should understand that Saraki and Dogara need them more that they need those men. In the event that APC wield their big stick on them, the PDP should have in mind the treachery of both men and serve them at latter date. Yes I supported Saraki and Dogara for Senate President and Speaker respectively so as to nullify the APC's arrangement because Nigeria cannot be run like a one-man's business, it is not because they were worth it. That is in the past now. Saraki and Dogara betrayed PDP to benefit from APC, now they turned around to betray APC but must not benefit from PDP

5. APC Should Not Hold Nigeria To Ransom
Nigerians are tired with one day one trouble for APC and their chieftains. The business of Governance is already suffering all because nothing has started. The auto-piloting system that Buhari is running isn't helping matters. Nigerians are tired of hearing APC Governors and other elected officers talking about partisan politics rather than performing the role they were elected to. Enough is enough. APC has already wasted one month of our National life, we can't afford the luxury of wasting important time on the troubles of the ruling party

spenca:
It is quite sad you come here with a seemed even-handed position afterall it is all you wanted all because of party affiliation and not the Nigerian prosperity, you supported certain persons which am sure you knew would have led to dismay in governance all because you hold foe a party? Where is our sense of patriotism ? Where is our sense of development ? Well I don't see you @op anything or how different from Saraki and Dogara, all selfish desperate mortals. I will borrow from Obama's words "we don't need strong individuals but strong Institutions" and you can't have that if the smallest of institutions in governance( political parties) can't be obeyed what becomes of the larger ones. Just in case you don't know in every institution there are one or two intuitive individuals in it, whose decisions are mostly coherent and logical whether Tinubu falls in there or not, I am not here to debate that but what I am here to say is why blame the man for what he is good in? Just like blaming Ronaldo for always scoring goals and being the free kick taker of his team. I usually don't like commenting on your threads because they are way too sentimental for me but I guess your logical neutralism seems to be developing now. Cheers mate

kinibigdeal:
Let us disintegrate your point step by steps. Yes, the principal offices are the senate leader, deputy senate leader, the chief whip and deputy chief whip. The major problem here is your conflicting terms such as "it is determined by conservative members and party do nominate" let us express this critically.

The problem

1. Saraki recommend to APC NWC that the positions should be zoned

2. Some leaders in the party(Mainly southWest) want to filled all the position at the stake of other zones

3. Tinubu prefers that the party handpicks the persons to occupy the position

4. The NWC want the various zonal senate caucuses to nominate their leaders to occupy the said office. The point is, from nomination and handpicking which one is more democratic in nature?

Tradition of the senate

By senate tradition which I stand on, the party in the majority normally sends the office to the ZONES where senate caucuses would meet and choose who should hold the positions

Problem 2

1. The position of the National leader of the APC is causing nipples as the party senators see it as an attempts to impose loyalist as senate leader, chief whip, and deputy chief whip

2. Tinubu has written to NWC asking that the party should nominate the senate leader and other principal offices BUT oyegun is not in support of this position, as it would be UNFAIR to impose the senate leader and other principal offices of the upper chambers.

Points

From the above confusion, are you still insisting that saraki is wrong in spite of is stand for equity and fairness!! You need to convince me bro.

barcanista:
Ofcourse by position Saraki is one of the leaders of APC but he isn't part of the National Working Committee led by the Chairman that makes position on behalf of the party. Well I am not interested on who emerge because it is pure APC affair, all I am saying is the the members elect who they want and not the presiding officer dictating. That is the norm

dustydee:
How many Reps are from the North? Tambuwal got 252 votes so where did the rest come from? Akande got 90 votes.

onatisi:
thanks for clarifying issues better ,I don't know how barcanista got the rumours he is writing about,I am shocked to say the very least. Names were sent to saraki , and majority of the senators didn't like it , they decided to elect their own ,what has saraki done wrong What barcanista doesn't realize is even a large section of apc senators don't want the ppl in the party list as their officers , saraki is only following the wishes of the senators . All these noise by apc leadership is just been raised by very few senators .

ndcide:
Very correct. But is Tinubu a member of the National working committee of the party. You think he doesn't make position on behalf of the party, within the party?... Left for the APC chairman, he would have let sleeping dogs lie. But his is being influenced in this show of force... I strongly feel the apc chairman does not have a problem with the leadership of the legislature. Even buhari is indifferent..... The energy is coming from somewhere. APC can do without all these and they know it.


Well, I personally don't give a damn. They should deliver on their promises... They don't need my support to do that and I'm not giving it anyway.

Well,

doubrah:
I think the duo of Saraki and Dogara should be praised for leading the fight for the emancipation our nation from the hand of 'one man lord', let's us all unite to save Nigeria

barcanista:
The sham conducted by Saraki was narrowed to NE Senators. That means only APC NE Senators were allowed to participate. This is never so... The Full APC Caucus are meant to elect their principal officers or ratify the list of the leadership. The presiding officer have no right to set guidelines or modalities but to organise it and allow everybody to vote. The majority leader is the leader of the party caucus and not his geopolitical zone. This shouldn't even be a problem. Such logjam is happening for the first time in Nigeria

barcanista:
NW 92, NE 48, NC 51 SW 71. NW + NE + SW+ NC = 262.

North Alone= 191

winniz:
The mock election that was conducted by NE Senators Ali Ndume won by landslide so what your point?

barcanista:
You just quoted me. What Saraki did was to ZONE offices to Zonal caucus and then asked the zones to "elect" their representatives. What Saraki did is strange. He should allow the whole members elect who they want

dustydee:
And you think all of them voted for him? In any case, the most popular member among the PDP caucus won but in this case both the speaker and the senate president were not popular among their party colleagues they had to reachout to the opposition to achieve their goals which is not bad except that Saraki in doing that threw his party under the bus. That action of his (Saraki's) is enough for well meaning Nigerians not to ever trust him again.

barcanista:
The bold is the point. The whole APC Senators are to choose their leader and not NE Senators as proposed by Saraki. NE can only choose leader of NE Cacus

onatisi:
you are wrong and wrong . You haven't been following this issue properly. Whether it is strange or new doesn't matter ,what matters is whether it is right or wrong ,and does it conform with our constitution. The party sent names to saraki,with some zones have more than one slot, majority of the senators said NO WAY,that each region must have a representative in a principal office, saraki and the senators decided to zone the slots and that the senators from each zone must vote and choose the person to occupy the slot allotted to them. The apc party insists that whether the 109 senators like it or not apc leadership position must be obeyed without complains,don't forget that pdp has 49senators . The senate does not BELONG to APC, it belongs to nigeria irrespective of party affiliations, the senators have now completed their zonal selection peacefully and have forwarded the names to saraki, what do u want saraki to do ? Go against his senators and get impeached Don't forget that the names of those in the apc letter are those who want saraki removed as the senate president,so should saraki install his enemies as key principal officers so that they will remove him next month

barcanista:
First you based your argument on rumor mills when you say Tinubu this and that. The positions of Leader, Whip, Deputy Whip and Deputy leaders are usually done by nomination from the party NOT the zones. Even when they zone, the party still decide. Of course Senators are to determine at the end. So the party send their nominees to the Presiding officer which is the Senate President. The Presiding officer duty is to read and ask members of the caucus whether they are aligned to the party's choice if they are not, the party caucus elects their principal officers. The Party caucus and not ZONAL CAUCUS. The Majority leader must have the blessings of majority party members. He isn't an appendage of the Senate President. What Saraki is to do is to call for election of the 4 offices and allow MAJORITY members decide who they want. Should the will of the party prevail, the party leader will communicate so to the leadership of the party. If otherwise, same will be done. This is the proper thing to be done

barcanista:
They have to manage themselves well because Nigerians are seriously affected

ECOTERRORS:
Saraki and Dogara didn't act unconstitutionally but were wary fo godfatherism which was at play there. I'm not suprised that they picked their own men as leaders because nobody will feel comfortable with a bull's eye painted at his back

winniz:
Are you now APC spokesman to determine what happens in their party?

barcanista:
There is nothing wrong in Saraki and Dogara standing for SP and Speakership. In fact, I supported them on party line. The SP and Speaker are for the whole house. Now Saraki and Dogara ought to allow the whole APC caucus elect their House leaders

dustydee:
I did not say there was anything wrong with it, what was wrong was Saraki gifting the Deputy Senate presidency to the PDP so as to achieve his aim. In doing that he also betrayed Ali Ndume his proposed deputy. I guess that is why he is trying hard to placate him now.

barcanista:
The Constitution only talked of the SP, Speaker and their Deputies. These 4 people are presiding officers in the house and are elected by all the house members.

The Positions of Leader, Whip and their deputies are purely partisan. They lead the party caucus in the house and act as bridge between the party and the house. They are tasked on making sure that the members align themselves with party position. The Whip enforce discipline on erring member in the house. So you now see why parties usually nominates. The only way to test the popularity of the APC choice is for Saraki to do the right thing by allowing APC Senators to vote. But Saraki "maradanally" zoned it and tell the members of zonal caucus to choose on behalf of others. So that is where the problem is. You can't tell NE caucus to choose for others except the others are aligned to such agreement. The only way is open vote

barcanista:
No Sir, the APC Caucus didn't elect Ndume. "Saraki zoned it to NE" and told NE APC members to get a consensus through which Ndume emerged. The whole APC caucus are meant to decide because the eventual occupant won't be leader of a particular zone but for the party caucus in the parliament

dustydee:
I did not say there was anything wrong with it, what was wrong was Saraki gifting the Deputy Senate presidency to the PDP so as to achieve his aim. In doing that he also betrayed Ali Ndume his proposed deputy. I guess that is why he is trying hard to placate him now.

barcanista:
Watching the APC caucus of distinguished Senators and Honorable Members of House of Representatives was a shame to behold on Thursday June 26, 2015. It was a shame that the ruling party couldn't put their act in order. More painful is that the incompetence of the ruling party is having effect on the Nigeria State. Here are some observations...

1. SP Saraki and Speaker Dogara Are Naïve, Arrogantly and Ignorant
The positions of Senate and House Leaders and their deputies, and the Chief Whips and their deputies are not appointive offices. It has never been heard in any parliament that the presiding officer determines who occupies these principal offices. For the record, the Majority leader is supposed to be a core party loyalist. He is the primary link between his party and members of the party in the parliament, the majority leader schedules business on the floor by calling bills from the calendar and keeps members of his party advised about the daily legislative program. The Chief Whip is also supposed to be a core party man that enforced discipline on erring party members that conducts themselves against the interests of the party in the parliament. By tradition, the majority party chooses the Majority leader, Chief Whip, Deputy Leader and Deputy whip, while members of the party in the parliament ratify. If the APC says they want Lawan as Senate Leader and Gbajabiamila as House Leader, all that has to be done is for the APC members of the Senate and the House respectively to either ratify the names sent to them by the party leadership or they (members) elect who they want. For SP Saraki and Speaker Dogora to insist on a particular pattern that is not acceptable to majority of their party parliamentarians shows that both men are arrogantly naive. This can't be accepted in any democracy, and accepting it will set a bad precedent for this country.

2. Saraki And APC Have Done Nigeria A Great Disservice
Senator Ali Ndume was indicted in November 2011 to have link with BH. The arrested BH Spokesman Ali Konduga had maintained that Sen Ndume had paid him to send threatening text messages http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-15829203. There are call evidence of Ali Ndume's phone exchange with Boko Haram which the undistinguished Senator admitted after it was extracted by an agent from the Israeli based Digital Forensic http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/12/court-admits-fresh-evidence-linking-ndume-to-boko-haram/. As at the time of the election, Senator Ndume was facing Terrorism trial. Instead of APC to give their ticket to competent hand they gave it to the same Ali Ndume. He was elected thanks to the change propaganda and became a Senator once again rather than clearing his name. Senator Saraki out of selfish interest compounded the woes of Nigerians by imposing an alleged Boko Haram Sponsor as Nigeria's Senate Leader. What a disservice by APC and Bukola Saraki. A shame to Nigeria that the Leader of the Upper House is facing terrorist charges.

3.APC Deserve No Sympathy
APC rode on propaganda and blackmail. It is a gathering of people of different ideologies, different worlds and men of questionable integrity. It isn't filled with men with common goals like what a political party should be. It is filled with men whose sole ambition was to form a consortium to send Jonathan back to Otuoke and GRAB power. APC as a party also encouraged rascality and impunity in the last National Assembly. APC commended and encouraged Tambawal and the 7 rascals PDP Governors for their anti-party activities. It is a shame but the APC encouraged impunity and even rewarded it by giving them political fortune. Now that APC is at the receiving end of the whole thing, and even receiving worse, I don't think it deserve any symparthy. It is a shame that the presiding officers of both Chambers are hell-bent on by-passing common sense just to subvert the interest of majority of the party. At least in 2011 the PDP had their way in choosing the four principal offices when they lost the two presiding offices due to APC instigated rebellion in the House. I understand the plight for the APC but I have no sympathy for the party. I hope they put their act in order.

4. SP Saraki and Speaker Dogara Deserve To Be Served
In the last dispensation, Senator Saraki and Honorable Dogara were part of the new PDP that fought alongside the opposition to cause a wreck to the Jonathan's re-election ambition and the PDP structure. Now they are back to do to their former comrades-at-arm what they did to their former party. If Saraki and Dogara think they will enjoy the support and privileges from the PDP on the long run, they should have their heads examined. The PDP will make a grave mistake by rewarding Saraki and Hon Dogara on the long run. Already PDP has got the Deputy Senate Presidency, the party should understand that Saraki and Dogara need them more that they need those men. In the event that APC wield their big stick on them, the PDP should have in mind the treachery of both men and serve them at latter date. Yes I supported Saraki and Dogara for Senate President and Speaker respectively so as to nullify the APC's arrangement because Nigeria cannot be run like a one-man's business, it is not because they were worth it. That is in the past now. Saraki and Dogara betrayed PDP to benefit from APC, now they turned around to betray APC but must not benefit from PDP

5. APC Should Not Hold Nigeria To Ransom
Nigerians are tired with one day one trouble for APC and their chieftains. The business of Governance is already suffering all because nothing has started. The auto-piloting system that Buhari is running isn't helping matters. Nigerians are tired of hearing APC Governors and other elected officers talking about partisan politics rather than performing the role they were elected to. Enough is enough. APC has already wasted one month of our National life, we can't afford the luxury of wasting important time on the troubles of the ruling party

winniz:
The mock election that was conducted by NE Senators Ali Ndume won by landslide so what is your point?