KingEbukasBlog:


Ingredients from where ?

Where do matter, gases come from?

Can something come from nothing? (Isn't that magic?) ... where does that emptiness or nothingness you just imagined come from What caused nothing to bring forth something?

Why can we see the sun , moon , stars , heavenly bodies but not air . Why can we feel or experience some(gravity) but can't see it? Why are there disparities in their nature ?

A part of mormon cosmology made me understand this - God made the non-physical or spiritual physical by His word.

plaetton:

Matter is condensed energy. Energy pervades the universe. It can neither be created nor destroyed.
Under the right conditions, atoms, molecules, compounds, etc etc are formed. Biological Life is just one additional formulation in the ceaseless interactions of matter and energy.
Therefore, energy, self-existent and in potential, burst forth in big ban.g, expanded into space, cooled, and the condensed to form particles of matter.

The rest is your science books.
No God required.

There is no such thing as nothing.
Event potential energy, in a state of no motion, is still something.

johnydon22:
Actually the reverse is quite the case. . .You believe that god wasn't created by anything (came of out nothing) thereby failing in your own argument. . . then he creates everything by saying the words and those things poops out of nothing, i think that is were magic lies. . Words(basically nothing because its not a material) brings forth material entities, imagine the absurdity. . . You accused him of dabbling into asserting something came from nothing then you yourself is blatantly more guilty of that blunderStars, moons, sun are objects more so are luminous or non-luminous light reflectors as in the case of the moon. . Am sure you know how images are formed in the retina, it deals with light. .

Gravity is a force not an object. . . and is measurable, demonstrate-able and limited in our atmosphere.

And again the same you asserted god cannot be comprehended by human mind then you go ahead and buy the analogy postulated by a HUMAN about god, isn't that failing in your own words.
again god created this non-physical by his WORD(nothing in fact) there fore failing again in your argument of something coming out of nothing.

Johnny , should I always explain my statement ( . Ok , God's power made physical or brought to existence- matter , gasses , energy , etc

When faced with the question of the origin of the earth or universe, isn't it just better you say [size=20]I don't know[/size] than resorting to assumptions [/b]

KingEbukasBlog:


Your way of reasoning for the explanation of the existence of material/non-material things that make up life shouldnt/isnt used to explain God's . God is way different from those . Maybe people the way people practice religion gave you a different perception of who God is

Honestly , I dont get why you brought the explanations of the examples I gave and I never said gravity is an object . Let me explain my question . What accounts for the disparities in their nature . Why are some seen and why are some felt ? Its a deep question . I can quickly say God did it , but what can you say ?

Johnny , should I always explain my statement ( . Ok , God's power made physical or brought to existence- matter , gasses , energy , etc

Lol

I know but you just dont see it the way we do

No you don't, you weren't there, you only claim to because you read what the jews wrote just like millions of other people out there have their own claim of how it started. yet have always failed to substantiate it by showing us your method of ascertaining this knowledge and demonstrating to us how it was arrived at not quoting some primitive ancient book

but do you know the origin of the universe?

No i don't, i opened my eyes after not before the universe, so [size=20]i don't know the origin of the universe [/size]

johnydon22:

Humans are material entities in a material world which in turn is in a material universe, our perception is based on our cognition of the material.
You yourself also asserted [b]that god is above human comprehension which then disqualifies you from mentioning any attributes or even bringing up the analogy that there is one because once it is established as you have said that is is above human comprehension there is no way you would have known and basically when you(material) start explaining things you agree is beyond your comprehension, there is only one name for your explanation "ASSUMPTIONS"[/b]

[b]You mentioned gravity so as to liken it to the nature of god as something that cannot be seen but felt, we are familiar with that line of argument. then i pointed out to you that gravity can be measured, observed and demonstrated, something that can be measured and demonstrated cannot be termed elusive, so the gravity analogy fails to depict that which you hoped for.…[/b]

@Bolded, well i suppose you can say that (which you have been) and i can quickly as well say "I don't believe you, prove it"

Thats basically magic as you rightly put since god's power is not material but are sourced from his words(which is synonymous to nothing)

b]No you don't, you weren't there, [/b]you only claim to because you read what the jews wrote just like millions of other people out there have their own claim of how it started. yet have always failed to substantiate it by showing us your method of ascertaining this knowledge and demonstrating to us how it was arrived at not quoting some primitive ancient book

No i don't, i opened my eyes after not before the universe, so [size=20]i don't know the origin of the universe [/size]

KingEbukasBlog:


God's existence , or more clearly the "origin" of God's existence or much more clearly the fact is He has always existed.

Since you are now failing in your own argument by asserting something can actually always exist infinitely, why then insist the universe must require a creator then. . . If nothing can exist on its own then god cant exist on its own therefore must also have had a creator, but if god can exist on its own shows something can actually exist on its own therefore one can as well rightly say the universe exists on its own therefore voila, needs no creator fairy

I never did so . I just wanted you guys to explain the reason for the difference in the nature or air ,gravity and physical bodies . What accounts for their nature .

My simple understanding of who God is made me say so .

Its not magic because God himself is the most supernatural or the ultimate

Who then pops everything out of nothing by saying some words. . That still sounds like Magic

if there was no bible , you guys will also complain and ask why our God did not leave us with any sort of guidance to prepare us for His morning.

Primitive? Your opinion?

If you dont know , why deny a cause or power responsible for it

Hahahaha when another person that doesn't know assumes up this explanation and calls my disbelief of absurd explanations denial?

I don't know, same with you and you wouldn't expect me to swallow any absurd crap you come up with when even you can not demonstrate how it is ascertained or plausible. .Thats funny don't you think

[quote author=johnydon22 post=35458822]Since you are now failing in your own argument by asserting something can actually always exist infinitely, why then insist the universe must require a creator then. . . If nothing can exist on its own then god cant exist on its own therefore must also have had a creator, but if god can exist on its own shows something can actually exist on its own therefore one can as well rightly say the universe exists on its own therefore voila, needs no creator fairy

And then again i gave definitions of the subjects to explain the distinctions in their nature, it was the correct method after all it would seem

The hilarious part is that this is coming from someone who says god cannot be comprehended by human mind then again turns back and claims simple understanding for the same thing that he says cannot be comprehended. . is that not another failing in your own words?

Who then pops everything out of nothing by saying some words. . That still sounds like Magic

There are many religions that don't have holy books, yours would have just been one of that, and you don't see atheists asking them to provide a book. . do you?

Lol its obvious, this is the 21st century nwannem

Hahahaha when another person that doesn't know assumes up this explanation and calls my disbelief of absurd explanations denial?

I don't know, same with you

and you wouldn't expect me to swallow any absurd crap you come up with when even you can not demonstrate how it is ascertained or plausible. .Thats funny don't you think

KingEbukasBlog:
Lol ... so can you prove the universe "exists on its own" ?

You falsely accused me of relating the nature of God to gravity when I did
not .
For the last time , the question is : what accounts for the nature of air ,
gravity , matter etc. Why are some seen and some are not? If you cant
answer simply ignore the question and move on

There's further maths but a cool kid knows simple math - 1+1 =2

Energy popped out from nothing , became immutable ... seen as science
and not magic
Me : ok

So as clearly implied - atheism is a religion

modern people like me still stick to it .Time has no effect on its spiritual
importance

Because someone says so doesn't mean is so
@ bold -- please dont drag me into your mess .
Because you see it as crap/absurd doesnt mean its crap/absurd

KingEbukasBlog:


self-existent ? Come on .. this already killed the point you were making . If you agreed that something is self-existent ,then isn't a being - a creator , a designer- self-existent too ?



If energy as you clearly said is self-existent , then something was before it .Its self-existence I mean does not guarantee that nothing was before it.


Trust me bro , i'd pick a self-existent being over the self-existent energy anytime anyday

And you keep insinuating randomness and probabilities - thats another reason why i'd pick the being

johnydon22:
Hahahahahahaha i have not postulated a negate, so how can i prove what i did not assert, i boomeranged your argument to show you the absurdity . . many hypothesis have been tendered; multiverse, parallel universe and stuff still remains hypothesis and in this case i have always maintained i don't know. . how can i prove what i did not assert..

Again i defined those phenomenons which clearly depicted the difference in their nature, you may as well go back and look it up again.

Lmao. . . simply means that god is comprehendible then. . .
If it is comprehendible then it can be known and scrutinized from human perception

but since it cannot be known as you argued there is no way you can know because even the simplest knowledge of what supposedly should be unknowable kills the unknowable feature and makes it knowable in the least sense. . .so you may as well rephrase your words by saying "god is comprehendible thats why i have simple knowledge it" you can't eat your cake and have it

That part you should take up with those that makes the assertion


Yeah just like OFF is a t.v channel hahahahaha

Hahahahaha the results are obvious

That illusion of knowledge remains plain illusion or fairly put a claim until proven otherwise which so well looks impossible to prove thats why you need faith to believe the absurdities you were fed.

plaetton:

You don't seem to understand the folly of infinite regression when You say that a being must have created everything.

Primary school science tells You that energy can only be transformed from one form to another. It cannot be created nor destroyed.

Which makes more sense to You as an adult,.. That an omni omni superman came from nothing to create the universe, or, that self-existent , all pervading latent energy imploded, expanded, condensed and formed particles of matter?

It is a simple choice between science and magic.

KingEbukasBlog:


Infinite regression does not work when it comes to explaining His existence . Even though we try . He exists outside time and thus has always existed . That's why we say he is ageless , everlasting . Time does not work on God , he created time and the awareness of time as regards to biological life .


Why and how come energy possesses that property - being able not to be created or destroyed .



Power molecules - that should be a good show for kids .Super molecules possessing ineffable power to form solar systems , planets-billions of them . Life coming from inorganic matter ... please dont say abiogenesis . Randomness which can become orderly given the right combination of ingredients . You just dont want accept the reality of God no matter what . That's just sad

Self-existent energy is regarded as science but a self-existent being is regarded as magic . Actually not magic per se because God himself is the most supernatural while magic is the use of supernatural powers . And clearly you are implying that there is such thing as magic which science cannot explain .

Science is just a way of explaining how God did it .

Great0:

The natural things illustrate things of the Spirit. They dont want to accept the truth.

Better leave them and continue praying for them.

KingEbukasBlog:


Infinite regression does not work when it comes to explaining His existence . Even though we try . He exists outside time and thus has always existed . That's why we say he is ageless , everlasting . Time does not work on God , he created time and the awareness of time as regards to biological life .


Why and how come energy possesses that property - being able not to be created or destroyed .



Power molecules - that should be a good show for kids .Super molecules possessing ineffable power to form solar systems , planets-billions of them . Life coming from inorganic matter ... please dont say abiogenesis . Randomness which can become orderly given the right combination of ingredients . You just dont want accept the reality of God no matter what . That's just sad

Self-existent energy is regarded as science but a self-existent being is regarded as magic . Actually not magic per se because God himself is the most supernatural while magic is the use of supernatural powers . And clearly you are implying that there is such thing as magic which science cannot explain .

Science is just a way of explaining how God did it .

plaetton:


Pls read and reread your post, and see if you see how juvenile it is.
Can You not see that YOU are pulling your so called super being from thin air?
He is outside of time and space, Beyond Human comprehension, and AND YET, You, a human, are sooo sure that he exists?

In fact, he is so beyond human comprehension, that YOU are so sure that it is a he, he has a son, exist in 3, hates this and hates that, and would throw in hell all those who question his existence.

God is sooo much beyond human comprehension, but humans must acknowledge and worship it?
You just showcased the absurdity and silliness of religious belief.

You have seen what i have been trying to relay to him through out the discussion. . .

plaetton:


Pls read and reread your post, and see if you see how juvenile it is.
Can You not see that YOU are pulling your so called super being from thin air?
He is outside of time and space, Beyond Human comprehension, and AND YET, You, a human, are sooo sure that he exists?

In fact, he is so beyond human comprehension, that YOU are so sure that it is a he, he has a son, exist in 3, hates this and hates that, and would throw in hell all those who question his existence.

God is sooo much beyond human comprehension, but humans must acknowledge and worship it?
You just showcased the absurdity and silliness of religious belief.

KingEbukasBlog:

Lol.
Ive personally experienced instant miracles , blessings etc ... that's why I'm sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo sure , he exists

Thats what every other religions claim. .

So the miracles; Did an amputated limb grow back
?

johnydon22:
Thats what every other religions claim. .

So the miracles; Did an amputated limb grow back
?

KingEbukasBlog:


funny

It does not change the fact that I've experienced it - so ecstatic . God is indeed great

thats what every other religion claim

So an amputated limb grew back then?

johnydon22:

thats what every other religion claim

So an amputated limb grew back then?

KingEbukasBlog:


so mention the religions that claim to perform miracles , healings apart from Christianity.... dont attempt to dodge this

Hahahahahaha and i even thought you were a blogger, Hinduism claims this fit in their thousands all around india.
http://mdaily.bhaskar.com/news/Religion/4590/JM-4-shocking-miracles-of-lord-shiva-no-one-knows-4451698-PHO.html

http://www.hinduism.co.za/miracles.htm

Even islam claims miraculous occurrences and abilities http://www.miraclesofislam.com/

Guru marahaji of Nigeria here even claims far more greater miracles than christian pastors. . . let me not go on with the endless list but seriously am disappointed thought you have a blog, you should have been widely read perhaps again another over estimation on my part

Ive not seen one but obviously it should have . I witnessed in a crusade a shorter limb growing into the length of the other

Nice claim, so lets see the video. . .Marvel us

johnydon22:
Hahahahahaha and i even thought you were a blogger, Hinduism claims this fit in their thousands all around india.
http://mdaily.bhaskar.com/news/Religion/4590/JM-4-shocking-miracles-of-lord-shiva-no-one-knows-4451698-PHO.html

http://www.hinduism.co.za/miracles.htm

Even islam claims miraculous occurrences and abilities http://www.miraclesofislam.com/

Guru marahaji of Nigeria here even claims far more greater miracles than christian pastors. . . let me not go on with the endless list but seriously am disappointed thought you have a blog, you should have been widely read perhaps again another over estimation on my part

Nice claim, so lets see the video. . .Marvel us

KingEbukasBlog:


Lol ... because you quickly googled miracles in hinduism or islam does not make you widely read . Because I asked you to hear from you doesnt mean I dont know it .

Nice claim, so lets see the video. . .Marvel us
There also videos of healings and miracles on Youtube . Get marveled by them !!!

Now who is running. . . You claim to have seen a miracle but cant show us. you knew hindus,islam even ATR lay claims to miracles just like you but yet you asked . . .hahahahahaha i don die

Yeah we watch youtube videos sadly what we see is not impressive at all Just some poorly worked nollywood shananigans. Benny Hinn rushed to the hospital for medication instead of healing himself, t.b joshua nollgwood demon interview and so forth. . no wonder people make fun of christian gullibility.


so you don't want to show the video of your claim, just an amputated limb growing back please? **i don die**

johnydon22:

Now who is running. . . You claim to have seen a miracle but cant show us. you knew hindus,islam even ATR lay claims to miracles just like you but yet you asked . . .hahahahahaha i don die

Yeah we watch youtube videos sadly what we see is not impressive at all Just some poorly worked nollywood shananigans. Benny Hinn rushed to the hospital for medication instead of healing himself, t.b joshua nollgwood demon interview and so forth. . no wonder people make fun of christian gullibility.

so you don't want to show the video of your claim, just an amputated limb growing back please? **i don die**

KingEbukasBlog:


Lol.

Ive personally experienced instant miracles , blessings etc ... that's why I'm sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo sure , he exists

God also uses a Nairalander sportsmaster - yes thats him- to perform miracles .

The idea of God is absurd but idea of super molecules and self existent energy is deemed as sane ... lol,again

plaetton:

Lol.
You have witnessed instant miracles, blessings etc, and that your only proof that your self existent magic man, who just so happens to be beyond space, time and human comprehension, exists?
I always laugh out loud when mindly insane people come here on NL to answer "present sir".

johnydon22:
Hahahahahaha and i even thought you were a blogger, Hinduism claims this fit in their thousands all around india.
http://mdaily.bhaskar.com/news/Religion/4590/JM-4-shocking-miracles-of-lord-shiva-no-one-knows-4451698-PHO.html

http://www.hinduism.co.za/miracles.htm

Even islam claims miraculous occurrences and abilities http://www.miraclesofislam.com/

Guru marahaji of Nigeria here even claims far more greater miracles than christian pastors. . . let me not go on with the endless list but seriously am disappointed thought you have a blog, you should have been widely read perhaps again another over estimation on my part


Nice claim, so lets see the video. . .Marvel us

keeptalkin:
it all crap you wrote up there