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Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by mamaha: 12:09pm On Jul 04, 2015
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Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by KingTom(m): 12:10pm On Jul 04, 2015
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Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by MrP7: 12:14pm On Jul 04, 2015
Fuel subsidy should be removed that's how these oil mangnates have been scamming Nigeria

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Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by juman(m): 12:15pm On Jul 04, 2015
Removing the subsidy is good step needed to be taken.

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Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by Cjrane2: 12:20pm On Jul 04, 2015
Neyoor:
God forbid

[size=15pt]Dangote is a voodoo economist.

Just like those that argued that GSM will collapse our communication sector. We all know today they were wrong. The only thing that collapsed was government huge subsidy of the inefficient Nitel.

Likewise, Oil subsidy must go. There is no money to support such wasteful habit. In the short term, it will be hard to adjust, but in the long run, the country will become used to it and be better for it.[/size]

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Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by mickey45: 12:23pm On Jul 04, 2015
Chiefpriest1:
I am not an economist, but I seriously do not see the connection between removal of fuel subsidy and the rate the naira exchanges against the dollar.

But Dangote has been close to all the governments in power, from military to civilian. Is it that they dont take his advice or what?

Take it or leave it, in the end, any businessman makes decisions that will grow his business and increase his profit margin.

Profit first,patrotism later!


I might be wrong on this but the single understanding I have of Dangote's statement for now is this;

Subsidy removal might mean the Government now has more money in its coffers, saving the money (say in the Excess crude Account) seems the way to go but being the spend-it-all nation we are (remember Iweala-NGF brouhaha),

The excess money must find its way back into the economy (no thanks to FG revenue allocation to states, FG projects and of course Brazen Looting)

On the other hand, the framework's not there yet for a big surge in real production/manufacturing start ups which means people get encouraged to buy d tiniest of things from outside, and whatever little things there are in the country will have so much money pursuing it and being the consuming nation that we are Like I said earlier,

Our importing tendencies will no doubt get a boost and without a corresponding or better still overriding increase in crude oil sales ( via any or both of volume exports and prices) this consequently increased dollar demand will only act to spike up the cost of getting a Dollar

In a normal setting, businesses only need increase their prices but there is a limit to this owing to competition and Political-cum Government interference as well as CBN's determination to Stifle Real Sector Financing (which is where real job creation and prosperity is)

They (CBN) continually do this (in the name of curbing inflation) by hiking Banks' CRRs (Credit Reserve Ratios) which albeit keeping the %-inflation in check, also reduces the funds available to the real sector.

Like I said, I myself look forward to better enlightenment by the economics Gurus here present

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Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by Lasese: 12:27pm On Jul 04, 2015
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Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by NobleG1(m): 12:28pm On Jul 04, 2015
Dangote is heavily in oil business and doesn't want to lose that easy sweet oil subsidy money.

We have four refineries, two in Port Harcourt (PHRC), and one each in Kaduna (KRPC) and Warri (WRPC) and yet none is functional due to crooked oil tycoons like Dangote who make billions weekly importing oil product. These tycoons influence the intentional neglect of these refineries with the help of their corrupt political friends.

The ONLY way to eradicate this legally approved looting (oil subsidy) is by making those refineries functional again! Government pays these thieves $7 billion (1,392,650,000,000.00 naira) a year! An amount more than enough to build a massive and modern $5.5 billion refinery with 10 million ton crude oil processing capacity and still have enough cash to refurbish the four abandoned refineries, making the total of five functional refineries!

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Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by hamilton62(m): 12:30pm On Jul 04, 2015
Chiefpriest1:
I am not an economist, but I seriously do not see the connection between removal of fuel subsidy and the rate the naira exchanges against the dollar.

But Dangote has been close to all the governments in power, from military to civilian. Is it that they dont take his advice or what?

Take it or leave it, in the end, any businessman makes decisions that will grow his business and increase his profit margin.

Profit first,patrotism later!

radical inflation, lower standard of living on the already low standard, no or little purchasing power, bankruptcy at federal and state levels etc
Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by Nobody: 12:39pm On Jul 04, 2015
Chiefpriest1:
I am not an economist, but I seriously do not see the connection between removal of fuel subsidy and the rate the naira exchanges against the dollar.

But Dangote has been close to all the governments in power, from military to civilian. Is it that they dont take his advice or what?

Take it or leave it, in the end, any businessman makes decisions that will grow his business and increase his profit margin.

Profit first,patrotism later!

Obviously, Dangote benefits from subsidy ... A man who turned Nigerian graduates into drivers can not be taken seriously on issues bordering on policies that will help ordinary Nigerians. So much for patriotism ... All these rich niggas are out for their pockets only.

Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by 989900: 12:48pm On Jul 04, 2015
Like I said earlier, he is looking out for profits for his refinery.

If our refineries are working and there is no subsidy, PMS price would not be totally government controlled; for example PMS could sell for as low as N50-N60/litre (NNPC) or less, which leaves private refineries no choice than to reduce their prices too, vs if there is subsidy, it would be government controlled, and a sure profit guaranteed for private refineries with the government (we) bearing the burden of the excess.

However, it's not a simple straight forward analogy as above, there are still many angles and factors that come into play i.e volume refined locally, volume imported if any, volume exported if any, security at the borders, exchange rate (which should improve with less or no imports of refined products), power supply and e.t.c.
Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by intrepid: 1:01pm On Jul 04, 2015
Exactly! Sometimes i t baffles me to read some comments that people on NL post in response to a topic.Just like the first person that commented on this thread......SMH....Is it that they lack intelligence or that they are kids who fortunately found themselves in a faceless forum where they can build their sand houses and imaginary mud meals?

For about the first 10 comments,one finds only some stup!d and low IQ or childish doodlings.....NL is already really infested by many shades of unprofitable characters here.They aren't ready to learn and u can't learn anything from them

And to most of them ,who of course are youths cannot contribute intelligently to such discuss tell you why we still are going to be having problems.Our youths lack basic comprehension of the Nigerian problems hence whenever a topic like this shows up,they'd rather begin to post rubbish or say nonsense because they got nothing to offer.

If it were a gossip thread or a certain celebrity/ entertainment news,they'd swoop on it like they knew a thing.May God help us.

bushdoc9919:
Before I comment, permit me to stand in one minute silence for the demise of the Nigerian mind.Most of the comments on front page are so disgusting and bigoted and bear no relevance to the topic.

Now on to the topic.

The fact remains that regardless of whether we keep or remove subsidy....the only way to prevent the free fall of the naira is to export more than we import. Simples.

And Dangote is right when he says we have to plug all the corruption holes.

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Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by thirty(m): 1:07pm On Jul 04, 2015
Please read my hand writing on the wall


In Nigeria, we need war to clean all this useless people.
Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by slimfit1(m): 1:08pm On Jul 04, 2015
Chiefpriest1:
I am not an economist, but I seriously do not see the connection between removal of fuel subsidy and the rate the naira exchanges against the dollar.

But Dangote has been close to all the governments in power, from military to civilian. Is it that they dont take his advice or what?

Take it or leave it, in the end, any businessman makes decisions that will grow his business and increase his profit margin.

Profit first,patrotism later!


The man is chatting kr ap I'm no economist but they are miles apart. He is protecting his friends interest. The subsidy we pay is the reason why our country is upside down , his friends send money to families abroad and so on is the reason why .

Dangote is not a patriot he is a selfish business man so if any stupid person want to listen to him go ahead.

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Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by kingslly(m): 1:13pm On Jul 04, 2015
"Your Economy"? Please is Dangote not Nigerian?
Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by Chiefpriest1(m): 1:17pm On Jul 04, 2015
mickey45:


I might be wrong on this but the single understanding I have of Dangote's statement for now is this;

Subsidy removal might mean the Government now has more money in its coffers, saving the money (say in the Excess crude Account) seems the way to go but being the spend-it-all nation we are (remember Iweala-NGF brouhaha),

The excess money must find its way back into the economy (no thanks to FG revenue allocation to states, FG projects and of course Brazen Looting)

On the other hand, the framework's not there yet for a big surge in real production/manufacturing start ups which means people get encouraged to buy d tiniest of things from outside, and whatever little things there are in the country will have so much money pursuing it and being the consuming nation that we are Like I said earlier,

Our importing tendencies will no doubt get a boost and without a corresponding or better still overriding increase in crude oil sales ( via any or both of volume exports and prices) this consequently increased dollar demand will only act to spike up the cost of getting a Dollar

In a normal setting, businesses only need increase their prices but there is a limit to this owing to competition and Political-cum Government interference as well as CBN's determination to Stifle Real Sector Financing (which is where real job creation and prosperity is)

They (CBN) continually do this (in the name of curbing inflation) by hiking Banks' CRRs (Credit Reserve Ratios) which albeit keeping the %-inflation in check, also reduces the funds available to the real sector.

Like I said, I myself look forward to better enlightenment by the economics Gurus here present

Reasonable inference...makes alot of sense. Though your last two paragraphs actually neutralize the initial line of thought.

You are a critical thinker
Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by techlegs: 1:17pm On Jul 04, 2015
Let the subsidy be removed first then we will know how far.
Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by Nobody: 1:22pm On Jul 04, 2015
Dangote still does not understand that we need the refineries working so that jobs can be created and then we conserve monies useed up for importation of petroleum products...and so that we dont eearn the chicken change he pays his employees... angry...

This is one guy that needs to be lynched for his monopolistic acts...

This guy is part of our problem even though he has some Way created jobs for a few..

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Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by DMerciful(m): 1:34pm On Jul 04, 2015
U nor go school! 40million litres/day is consumed by 170 million @ N47 subsidy per litre meaning the average Nigerian consumes 40/170 litre per day....where did you get N10million/person?..go school u nor gree
chinae:
What is Dangote saying? I don't know Wat is subsidy too and am not a fan of dully.

Statistics shows that Nigeria spend #2.2billion per day on subsidy ib a country of 170million estimate.
Ask: the country pays more than 10 million for one citizen a day, Hw much fuel i dey use for house? if subsidy only is above a million.

This guy is part of the cauci in d caucus
Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by Olushauneddy(m): 1:35pm On Jul 04, 2015
Dangote doesn't want subsidy removed so that he'll continue to be rich and acclaimed the richest man in Africa. Buhari said he doesn't know what subsidy is...Buhari has been in government before and now here he is again. He's not a novice in the Nigerian Oil affairs. For all I care let America remove their dollars so, that we can have a full control to develop our Naira.
Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by luckyboss(m): 1:44pm On Jul 04, 2015
Hello my good guys in Nigeria how much is naira to dollar now?
Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by dealslip(f): 1:54pm On Jul 04, 2015
It is so sad that the average Nigerian youth didn't pick any message from that long interview except the 500 naira a dollar dialogue. That guy revealed alot of info on how to make it, yet all the commentators were lamenting on the price of dollars. Dangote isn't even the Minister of Finance or CBN governor. Please feed yourself with positive gists abeg.
Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by chinae(m): 1:56pm On Jul 04, 2015
DMerciful:
U nor go school! 40million litres/day is consumed by 170 million @ N47 subsidy per litre meaning the average Nigerian consumes 40/170 litre per day....where did you get N10million/person?..go school u nor gree

Prof. In your village theory if you divide Liter by number of person , the SI unit will be in Naira?
who shld go and dust his slate?
Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by emzila(m): 1:57pm On Jul 04, 2015
Firefire:



Time shall tell, Nigerians are waiting for the dollar to become one Naira...

btw:

Good morning, how is Osun today? hope your people's salary is fully paid now by Aregbesola ?

if u had utilized your parents hard earn money while in school, u would has been able to read between lines and see for urself that Buhari never promise u that. I hate to see educated illitrates especially at a time like this.
Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by LLVelly: 2:02pm On Jul 04, 2015
If David can go against goliath with a stone...I can go against Dangote just for the title of Richest black man.
NB: Thanks Mod for unblocking me.
Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by IYANGBALI: 2:06pm On Jul 04, 2015
Very stingy man,I tolded him to lend me five thousand naira last week,he tolded me he had no money,can you imagine Dangote not having money
Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by Nobody: 2:10pm On Jul 04, 2015
Quite a revealing and interesting interview. I am unsure about the opinion on subsidy removal and eventual devaluation of the currency though. I believe the subsidy should be removed once and for all really.
Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by MAURI: 2:16pm On Jul 04, 2015
The issue with subsidy is that government needs to block all loopholes. If there’s no subsidy, it will affect our foreign exchange, we’ll end up buying a dollar at N500, because there’s no VAT on petroleum products. That’s why the import of petroleum products is taking about 30% of our foreign reserve. We just need to make sure that there’s no siphoning of money. The refining business requires volume. If you don’t have a massive volume, there’s no way you’ll make money. Most of the refineries in Africa are running at a big loss. It’s not possible for government officials to successfully manage oil businesses. It’s good enough if they remove the subsidy, but you can check with neighbouring countries like Senegal. If a poor person in Senegal can afford to pay subsidy, why can’t a poor person in Nigeria afford to pay. I think there must be something for the masses, which should be in terms of power, social insurance, good education system, good roads etc.

Mr Dangote, with all due respect this is a whole load of crap!!

“If there’s no subsidy, it will affect our foreign exchange, we’ll end up buying a dollar at N500”

Why didn’t the useless brown-envelope journalists present ask him for details and break down of how he came about that projected 1USD to N500

“if they remove the subsidy, but you can check with neighbouring countries like Senegal. If a poor person in Senegal can afford to pay subsidy, why can’t a poor person in Nigeria afford to pay

This is like comparing apples with pears! Is Senegal an oil producing country on the same scale as Nigeria?

We are building a refinery and our refinery will make more money if there is subsidy. We have changed the size of the refinery three times because we are looking at the maximum we can do that has ever been done. We started with about 400,000, then we shifted to 500,000. Now, we took it to 650,000 barrels per day. That’s the biggest ever single line thresh of refinery. It’s a huge plant and it comes with a lot of challenges, but at the end of the day, it will save us a substantial amount of money. Presently, about 38% of our foreign exchange goes to petroleum products, so I think that will totally eliminate it and eliminate all the imports. We will also be able to export and we won’t do it all by ourselves. Other refineries will produce. Even if other refineries are not working, we’ll be able to satisfy 100% local demand and we’ll be able to export massively. Five to ten people can make Nigeria a great economy. We have to encourage Nigerians to invest at home.

Exactly, isn’t the above bolded contradictory to what Mr Dangote stated earlier.
If you don’t have a massive volume, there’s no way you’ll make money
Now your point it clear. You want to run a refinery locally and at the same time receive subsidy from the government. Cool.

I would expect before committing to such huge capital intensive investment, there would have been a sound business case / plan. And not one that will only be viable by the grace of subsidy from the government.

People, most Nigerian journalists don’t have a clue on the subject matters they interview people on. And their preparation is zero!



Nigeria survived before the multi-billion dollars fraud called oil subsidy.

Ok, how did we come to the situation of oil subsidy? Nigeria has one of the largest deposits of crude oil in the world. When we had operational refineries, there was not need for subsidies on oil cos the oil products were refined locally and did not attract additional costs associated with transportation back and forth outside of Nigeria for refining.

Then came the refinery breakdown, and we started exporting our raw crude abroad to be refined. This new development has as consequence, that the price of the locally consumed products in Nigeria will attract additional cost i.e. cost of transportation to and from refinery locations abroad and including the cost of refining. (For those familiar with international transportation processes) These products are transported at CIF (costs, insurance & freight)

Due to the high costs that oil products will attract locally in Nigeria as a result of this new export / import, abroad refining situation and it’s imminent inflationary result on the Nigerian economy. The Nigerian government, decided to take measures by subsiding the price of the projected locally consumed finished oil products in Nigeria with part of the revenue generated from that part which is sold to the rest of the world at prevailing global market price. We all know by now all the constructions of awarding licences to marketers and paying subsidies for products not imported into Nigeria etc.

The situation described above, has negative impact on our local currency, the Naira. In that the costs associated with export / import and refining of crude abroad are paid in USD. Meaning to acquire the USD (forex) needed to fund this process, Nigeria has to sell Naira to the market, and by so doing flooding the exchange market with more Naira in exchange for USD. Simple law of demand and supply. Putting more pressure on the Naira. And Mr Dangote is claiming that removal of subsidy may lead to the Naira selling at N500 to 1 USD

If Nigeria succeeds in building and maintaining operation refineries to capacity, why would the Nigerian government still need to pay subsidy on locally refined and consumed oil products considering that the cost of production will drop? And what should the rate of subsidy be then?

Yes, we know that price of crude where the large part of the Nigerian govt revenue comes from had dropped drastically, that is a different discussion.

I do agree with Mr Dangote though on the issue of taxes and vat.

Requesting people to invest in Nigeria, is on the face of it very patriotic. It is only an ethical / moral call to be expected from a successful made-in Nigeria businessman by global standards, except you want to exhibit same behaviour as those bastard Indians and Lebanese that are partly responsible for crippling Nigeria’s economy (Another discussion). But on a closer look, Mr Dangote has monopoly on the importation of cement and sugar into Nigeria, the largest economy in sub-sahara Africa.

No doubt Mr Dangote is a successful businessman, a patriotic Nigerian too, employer of substantial labour in Nigeria. This observation notwithstanding, when you make such questionable public claim on a controversial issue as oil subsidy and it’s likely impact on the exchange rate of the Naira and the Nigerian economy at large without detailed information, there are bound to be questions. On the other hand, it could be poor journalism, cos most Nigerian journalists are half-baked.

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Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by RJayson(m): 2:18pm On Jul 04, 2015
Hmmm Danny the billionaire, I trust the guy sha, hin no fit spoil economy...Make dem follow hin advice
Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by Emmayur(m): 2:38pm On Jul 04, 2015
Did anyone else noticed the numbers Dangote was mentioning?? This guy is intelligent mehn.
Re: Remove Subsidy And Crash Your Currency - Dangote by 400billionman: 2:38pm On Jul 04, 2015
Dangote is trying to secure the future of his oil refinery project..

[b] Please I do not subscribe to this topic, exactly on the first day of November 2014, Dangote promised to reduce the price of cement to N1,000 per bag, he did reduce it to N1,200(Ex depot price) for only 6 weeks and and around 15th November 2014, Forbes announced their new list of billionaires and our beloved Africa richest man nosedived from a net worth of $25bn to about $14bn owing to crash of the value of naira against the dollar. Dangote forgot his promise immediately and by 15th of December 2014, he raised the price of cement to an all high of N1,750. Till today, Ex depot price for cement is N1,820. Now tell me why Nigerians were hoodwinked into believing his promises and he dissapointed them.

I will show you guys a thread of someone on Nairaland who refuted all his promises to crash the price of cement to N1,000 in 2014.

https://www.nairaland.com/1981256/new-cement-price-marketing-strategy

Now, UNICEM and LARFARGE, dangote biggest competitor in the cement market are about to merge their operations to become one entity by the 15th of June, 2015. It is now time again for our beloved Africa richest man to start granting interviews to hoodwink us again. Most of us do not know how these markets operate. He is only in a panic mode out of the impending competition a merger between LARFARGE and UNICEM will generate to his market supremcy in the Nigerian cement sector. Oil subsidy removal cannot and will not in anyway reduce the value of Naira to dollar. He may have other reservations as to when operations of his mega oil refinery starts in 2017. The Nigerian government is currently under cash constraints and must not listen to this advice, because as far as he is concerned, everything is profit motivated..

Kindly locate what he said On refinery.. see below.[/b]

" On refinery.

[size=14] We are building a refinery and our refinery will make more money if there is subsidy.. " [/size]

Most of us read but do not connect the puzzle..

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