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Karlman:
WHAT SINGULAR REASON DO YOU THINK IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF BOKO HARAM
IN NORTHERN NIGERIA?


WHY WHAT AND WHEREFORE MAKES THE NORTH THE ONLY BREEDING GROUND FOR TERRORISM IN NIGERIA?




THIS QUESTION IS PART OF MY RESEARCH TOWARDS FINDING A PERMANENT SOLUTION TO TERRORISM IN NIGERIA.


PLS YOUR VIEWS AND OPINIONS ARE NEEDED.
THANKS!

The promise Allah made to them, "99 virgins"

bettercreature:
EGYPTS MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD are not terrorist

WELL, THEY DO BEHAVE LIKE ONE SO MANY TIMES IRRESPECTIVE OF THE FACT THEY ONCE HELD POWER IN EGYPT FOR A YEAR BUT WAS BUTTED OUT OF POWER WITH THE SUPPORT OF SAUDI & OTHER MODERATE ISLAMIC STATES WHO SENSED THE DANGER OF ALLOWING ISLAMIST MOVEMENTS LIKE THE BROTHERHOOD HOLDING GOVERNMENT AS BOOST FOR TERRORISTS AROUND MIDDLE EAST

Karlman:
WHAT SINGULAR REASON DO YOU THINK IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF BOKO HARAM
IN NORTHERN NIGERIA?


WHY WHAT AND WHEREFORE MAKES THE NORTH THE ONLY BREEDING GROUND FOR TERRORISM IN NIGERIA?




THIS QUESTION IS PART OF MY RESEARCH TOWARDS FINDING A PERMANENT SOLUTION TO TERRORISM IN NIGERIA.


PLS YOUR VIEWS AND OPINIONS ARE NEEDED.
THANKS!

The same reasons that cause militancy in the delta, the same reasons that cause people to siphon fuel from pipelines, or rush tankers that are involved in accidents... The same reason why kidnapping is now a national industry...
Poverty and ignorance. When this exists in a society where sudden wealth is praised and glorified even in houses of worship, where injustice is the norm, what else can be expected? Remember, even the ANC was once classified as a terrorist organisation. The problem is nationwide, not northern or religious or tribal.

Karlman:
WELL, THEY DO BEHAVE LIKE ONE SO MANY TIMES IRRESPECTIVE OF THE FACT THEY ONCE HELD POWER IN EGYPT FOR A YEAR BUT WAS BUTTED OUT OF POWER WITH THE SUPPORT OF SAUDI & OTHER MODERATE ISLAMIC STATES WHO SENSED THE DANGER OF ALLOWING ISLAMIST MOVEMENTS LIKE THE BROTHERHOOD HOLDING GOVERNMENT AS BOOST FOR TERRORISTS AROUND MIDDLE EAST

Perhaps to you Saudi Arabia is a moderate Islamic state but to others (most of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis) they are the biggest sponsors of wahabi fundamentalism across the world. And they are the land the gave the world bin laden.

Change2015:
The same reasons that cause militancy in the delta, the same reasons that cause people to siphon fuel from pipelines, or rush tankers that are involved in accidents... The same reason why kidnapping is now a national industry...
Poverty and ignorance. When this exists in a society where sudden wealth is praised and glorified even in houses of worship, where injustice is the norm, what else can be expected? Remember, even the ANC was once classified as a terrorist organisation. The problem is nationwide, not northern or religious or tribal.

KINDLY ENUNCIATE HOW YOU ARRIVE AT THE COMPARISON BETWEEN BOKO HARAM, DELTA MILITANTS & KIDNAPPING

SO WE CAN ALL LEARN

Change2015:
Perhaps to you Saudi Arabia is a moderate Islamic state but to others (most of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis) they are the biggest sponsors of wahabi fundamentalism across the world. And they are the land the gave the world bin laden.

YES A LOT OF SAUDI CITIZENS ARE TERRORISTS BUT THE SAUDI AS A STATE IS NOT ISLAMIST THEYRE MODERATE ISLAMIC STATE WITH SHARIA LAW BUT NOTHING EXTREMISM AS A STATE


AND YES SAUDI IS SPONSORING A HANDFUL OF MILITANTS IN MIDDLE EAST BUT THAT IS JUST TO COUNTER ISLAMIST STATES AND MOVEMENTS LIKE IRAN, ISIS AND OTHERS.

Karlman:
YES A LOT OF SAUDI CITIZENS ARE TERRORISTS BUT THE SAUDI AS A STATE IS NOT ISLAMIST THEYRE MODERATE ISLAMIC STATE WITH SHARIA LAW BUT NOTHING EXTREMISM AS A STATE


AND YES SAUDI IS SPONSORING A HANDFUL OF MILITANTS IN MIDDLE EAST BUT THAT IS JUST TO COUNTER ISLAMIST STATES AND MOVEMENTS LIKE IRAN, ISIS AND OTHERS.

You really don't know much about this issue. I would suggest you read a lot more on the activities of Saudi Arabia in this regard.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/31/combat-terror-end-support-saudi-arabia-dictatorships-fundamentalism

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/analyses/madrassas.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism

Karlman:
KINDLY ENUNCIATE HOW YOU ARRIVE AT THE COMPARISON BETWEEN BOKO HARAM, DELTA MILITANTS & KIDNAPPING

SO WE CAN ALL LEARN

The violence whether in the north or south is a response to the conditions people find themselves living in, especially when they have no expectation that things will change. Poverty, the unfair distribution and utilisation of resources... What do both areas have in common? Unemployment (irrespective of education), poor or missing government services, few economic opportunities outside of government spending, unfair law enforcement in favour of the oil companies or government and it's allies, and extremely poor quality leadership at the community level. (Yes the militants leaders have enriched themselves and joined the oppressive elite, while their communities remain exactly as they were before they took up arms). In every part of the country leaders cocoon themselves with state funds to the detriment of the masses. Boko haram is a phenomenon in the north east and not north west for a reason. The north east is the poorest part of this country, and if you recall, when they were first burning their certificates because it had become clear that even going to school did not guarantee that you would still not die of hunger and unemployment, some people were amused. Look at the militants leaders, are they any different... They have used violence and the threat of violence to enrich themselves, collected commission from the stipends paid by the government to their 'followers', bought planes and are building universities in foreign lands. And yet their own people still dream of pipe borne water and working health centres. Boko haram is a pseudo Islamic fraud just as the motives of the militants leaders is obviously fraudulent. Of course you know Asari is a Muslim but all of his type have only shown a lust for money and power. What they have achieved even in their own villages, is pathetic to say the least.

Change2015:
You really don't know much about this issue. I would suggest you read a lot more on the activities of Saudi Arabia in this regard.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/31/combat-terror-end-support-saudi-arabia-dictatorships-fundamentalism

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/analyses/madrassas.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism

while i may not be a professor of arab affairs i think i know a thing or two about middle east politics and religion.


as to the links i am very much informed about wahhabis, sunni, shia and other branches of islam.



WHILE I AM NOT DENYING SAUDIS INVOLEMENT IN SOME ISLAMIC MOVEMENTS BUT THE WORLD OVER RECOGNISE IRAN AS NUMBER ONE TERROR SPONSORING STATE

for instance while ISIS is a sunni terror group with hundreds of saudi citizens being member and sunni islam being the dominant population in saudi arabia yet while saudi government takes part in bombing ISIS locations in syria and iraq ISIS is busy bombing shia mosques inside saudi arabia to create ethnic war between sunni muslims and shia muslims inside the kingdom

SO SAUDI AS A STATE DO NOT SPONSOR TERROR THOUGH HER CITIZENS PLAY ACTIVE ROLLS IN ALMOST ALL TERROR ORGANISATIONS WORLDWIDE. THATS MY POINT.

Change2015:
The violence whether in the north or south is a response to the conditions people find themselves living in, especially when they have no expectation that things will change. Poverty, the unfair distribution and utilisation of resources... What do both areas have in common? Unemployment (irrespective of education), poor or missing government services, few economic opportunities outside of government spending, unfair law enforcement in favour of the oil companies or government and it's allies, and extremely poor quality leadership at the community level. (Yes the militants leaders have enriched themselves and joined the oppressive elite, while their communities remain exactly as they were before they took up arms). In every part of the country leaders cocoon themselves with state funds to the detriment of the masses. Boko haram is a phenomenon in the north east and not north west for a reason. The north east is the poorest part of this country, and if you recall, when they were first burning their certificates because it had become clear that even going to school did not guarantee that you would still not die of hunger and unemployment, some people were amused. Look at the militants leaders, are they any different... They have used violence and the threat of violence to enrich themselves, collected commission from the stipends paid by the government to their 'followers', bought planes and are building universities in foreign lands. And yet their own people still dream of pipe borne water and working health centres. Boko haram is a pseudo Islamic fraud just as the motives of the militants leaders is obviously fraudulent. Of course you know Asari is a Muslim but all of his type have only shown a lust for money and power. What they have achieved even in their own villages, is pathetic to say the least.

USING SUCH SOCIO ECONOMIC YARD STICKS AS POVERTY AND ILLITERACY AS AN EXCUSE FOR TERRORISM IS AN GREAT INSULT ON POOR PEOPLE AND ILLITERATES.

people do not blow themselves up or blow up a market filled with other poor fellows as themselves because theyre poor and uneducated.


and on the niger delta militants we all know their modus operandi which is nothing close to the barbarity of boko haram. even if we are to agree that delta militant leaders were after their own pocket at least the worst tag we could give them is call them thieves or touts but never make a comparison with them and terrorists as they are neither analogous nor have anything in common.

Karlman:
USING SUCH SOCIO ECONOMIC YARD STICKS AS POVERTY AND ILLITERACY AS AN EXCUSE FOR TERRORISM IS AN GREAT INSULT ON POOR PEOPLE AND ILLITERATES.

people do not blow themselves up or blow up a market filled with other poor fellows as themselves because theyre poor and uneducated.


and on the niger delta militants we all know their modus operandi which is nothing close to the barbarity of boko haram. even if we are to agree that delta militant leaders were after their own pocket at least the worst tag we could give them is call them thieves or touts but never make a comparison with them and terrorists as they are neither analogous nor have anything in common.

You just do not get it. We are not talking about leadership and sponsors of terrorist organizations, we are talking about the ordinary ground soldiers, the recruits who carry out the bombings and suicide missions. The terrorists get steady supply of willing recruits due to poverty and ignorance. The terrorist leaders recruit members by religious indoctrination, exploiting injustices within the system (real or imagined) and sometimes doctrine of superior race or tribe. All these prey on the vulnerable members of the society eg, the poor, young or exploited.

Boko Haram and Nigerdelta militancy are very similar. A few disgruntled elite using their people to achieve their selfish financial or policical objectives. And yes Nigerdelta militants did bomb civilian and government targets in Warri, portharcourt, Abuja and Lagos, they were not just as viscious as Boko Haram, probably because they were not after capturing territories.

Are they the the only illiterates as well as poor people on earth? What about Abdul Mutallab who has a rich father? What about the UK girls going tru Turkey to Syria to join ISIS? Look at all the places wwe have terrorism, what is common? Islam........I S L A M A B A D.

bettercreature:
illiteracy and unemployment

What re they? Where they not killing Christians? N many more.

bettercreature:
EGYPTS MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD are not terrorist

Karlman:
USING SUCH SOCIO ECONOMIC YARD STICKS AS POVERTY AND ILLITERACY AS AN EXCUSE FOR TERRORISM IS AN GREAT INSULT ON POOR PEOPLE AND ILLITERATES.

people do not blow themselves up or blow up a market filled with other poor fellows as themselves because theyre poor and uneducated.


and on the niger delta militants we all know their modus operandi which is nothing close to the barbarity of boko haram. even if we are to agree that delta militant leaders were after their own pocket at least the worst tag we could give them is call them thieves or touts but never make a comparison with them and terrorists as they are neither analogous nor have anything in common.

Whatever the tactics are, people who are well fed and employed rarely ever start violent insurrections. Where government is effective and efficient it is the same,the people are tamed by prosperity or the prospect of it. The French revolution, the Russian revolution if you have an example of a middle class revolution please let me know. If government was effective in developing both the north east and the Niger Delta do you suppose there would still be this eruption of discontent?

Islam/Sharia/power

Such a travesty....comparing terrorism with kidnapping, militancy, pipeline vandalisation just so you can include the south in your vices allocation. What a moronic way of reasoning!....for goodness sake how can any sane person compare a kidnapper or pipeline vandal with a terrorist who tru suicide bomb kills several market women? You are a goat for sure...

Change2015:
The same reasons that cause militancy in the delta, the same reasons that cause people to siphon fuel from pipelines, or rush tankers that are involved in accidents... The same reason why kidnapping is now a national industry...
Poverty and ignorance. When this exists in a society where sudden wealth is praised and glorified even in houses of worship, where injustice is the norm, what else can be expected? Remember, even the ANC was once classified as a terrorist organisation. The problem is nationwide, not northern or religious or tribal.

the answer is nobody knows

DMerciful:
Such a travesty....comparing terrorism with kidnapping, militancy, pipeline vandalisation just so you can include the south in your vices allocation. What a moronic way of reasoning!....for goodness sake how can any sane person compare a kidnapper or pipeline vandal with a terrorist who tru suicide bomb kills several market women? You are a goat for sure...

The only slowpoke you ever see is in your mirror. Why do you think the USA think-tank saw the possibility of Nigeria breaking up? Because the citizens have it so good? Because people think just and good governance prevails? Because they see evidence of good administration? Grow up and use your thinking faculties for once. When people are desperately poor they become open to all manner of piedmont pipers. Now that Asari is a billionaire, are his followers equally happy? Has their situation improved so much that people instead of flocking to lagos have now started flooding the delta? Why does the message of radio biafra resonate for some? If you have little use for your brain then stfu!

If their certifates could not fetch them jobs they decided to be terrorists right? Keep justifying terrorism! What happens to farming esp with the vast amounts of lands in the north.

Change2015:
The violence whether in the north or south is a response to the conditions people find themselves living in, especially when they have no expectation that things will change. Poverty, the unfair distribution and utilisation of resources... What do both areas have in common? Unemployment (irrespective of education), poor or missing government services, few economic opportunities outside of government spending, unfair law enforcement in favour of the oil companies or government and it's allies, and extremely poor quality leadership at the community level. (Yes the militants leaders have enriched themselves and joined the oppressive elite, while their communities remain exactly as they were before they took up arms). In every part of the country leaders cocoon themselves with state funds to the detriment of the masses. Boko haram is a phenomenon in the north east and not north west for a reason. The north east is the poorest part of this country, and if you recall, when they were first burning their certificates because it had become clear that even going to school did not guarantee that you would still not die of hunger and unemployment, some people were amused. Look at the militants leaders, are they any different... They have used violence and the threat of violence to enrich themselves, collected commission from the stipends paid by the government to their 'followers', bought planes and are building universities in foreign lands. And yet their own people still dream of pipe borne water and working health centres. Boko haram is a pseudo Islamic fraud just as the motives of the militants leaders is obviously fraudulent. Of course you know Asari is a Muslim but all of his type have only shown a lust for money and power. What they have achieved even in their own villages, is pathetic to say the least.

Change2015:
Whatever the tactics are, people who are well fed and employed rarely ever start violent insurrections. Where government is effective and efficient it is the same,the people are tamed by prosperity or the prospect of it. The French revolution, the Russian revolution if you have an example of a middle class revolution please let me know. If government was effective in developing both the north east and the Niger Delta do you suppose there would still be this eruption of discontent?

LOLZ
U MUST GIVE UP HERE BRO AS YOUR LINE ABOVE IS RATHER BANAL.


ABDUL MUTTALAB HAD THE BEST ANY KID IN THE WORLD COULD DREAM OF. YET HE WENT ON TO STRAP UP A BOMB UNDER HIS SCROTUM. THAT IS PURE TERRORISM AND IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH LACK.




AS TO BOTH THE TWIN FRENCH REVOLUTIONS AND THE RUSSIAN BOLSHELVIKS REVOLUTION OF 1917 IS ONLY WHAT THEY ARE....POLITICAL REVOLUTIONS. AND I AM ACTUALLY WONDERING HOW YOU MAKE UNANALOGOUS COMPARISONS WITHOUT EVEN THINKING OF HOW ABSURD IT IS.



TERRORISM IS OUR SUBJECT OF DISCUSS BRO

And isn't this ironic.....to think that these moronic people who has been ruling Nigeria since independence cry of marginalization is shocking....when they practice a religion that glorifies violence and sponsors violence..what do you expect? Dogs and baboons soaking themselves in blood since 1966

Change2015:
The only slowpoke you ever see is in your mirror. Why do you think the USA think-tank saw the possibility of Nigeria breaking up? Because the citizens have it so good? Because people think just and good governance prevails? Because they see evidence of good administration? Grow up and use your thinking faculties for once. When people are desperately poor they become open to all manner of piedmont pipers. Now that Asari is a billionaire, are his followers equally happy? Has their situation improved so much that people instead of flocking to lagos have now started flooding the delta? Why does the message of radio biafra resonate for some? If you have little use for your brain then stfu!

wirinet:
You just do not get it. We are not talking about leadership and sponsors of terrorist organizations, we are talking about the ordinary ground soldiers, the recruits who carry out the bombings and suicide missions. The terrorists get steady supply of willing recruits due to poverty and ignorance. The terrorist leaders recruit members by religious indoctrination, exploiting injustices within the system (real or imagined) and sometimes doctrine of superior race or tribe. All these prey on the vulnerable members of the society eg, the poor, young or exploited.

Boko Haram and Nigerdelta militancy are very similar. A few disgruntled elite using their people to achieve their selfish financial or policical objectives. And yes Nigerdelta militants did bomb civilian and government targets in Warri, portharcourt, Abuja and Lagos, they were not just as viscious as Boko Haram, probably because they were not after capturing territories.

PLS STOP INSULTING POOR PEOPLE


NOBODY BLOWS THEMSELVES UP BECAUSE THEY ARE POOR OR BECAUSE THEY ARE ILLITERATE.


THOSE FELLOWS WHO SHOT PEOPLE AT A FRENCH MALL WERE FRENCH MUSLIM CITIZENS WITH ALL DUE BENEFITS OF BEING FRENCH CITIZEN BUT THE OTHER MALIAN IMMIGRANT WHO SAVED SOME SHOPPERS AT THE MALL WAS A POOR IMMIGRANT WITH ALL THE LOADS OF POVERTY ON HIM

SO PLS STOP INSULTING POOR PEOPLE

Backwardness!

Karlman:
LOLZ
U MUST GIVE UP HERE BRO AS YOUR LINE ABOVE IS RATHER BANAL.


ABDUL MUTTALAB HAD THE BEST ANY KID IN THE WORLD COULD DREAM OF. YET HE WENT ON TO STRAP UP A BOMB UNDER HIS SCROTUM. THAT IS PURE TERRORISM AND IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH LACK.




AS TO BOTH THE TWIN FRENCH REVOLUTIONS AND THE RUSSIAN BOLSHELVIKS REVOLUTION OF 1917 IS ONLY WHAT THEY ARE....POLITICAL REVOLUTIONS. AND I AM ACTUALLY WONDERING HOW YOU MAKE UNANALOGOUS COMPARISONS WITHOUT EVEN THINKING OF HOW ABSURD IT IS.



TERRORISM IS OUR SUBJECT OF DISCUSS BRO

Perhaps you do not understand the meaning of the word terrorism yourself.

terrorism

noun
the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.
"the fight against terrorism"

noun
1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.


Amazing how people can have a discussion about a word they don't even understand!

Change2015:
Perhaps you do not understand the meaning of the word terrorism yourself.

terrorism

noun
the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.
"the fight against terrorism"

noun
1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.


Amazing how people can have a discussion about a word they don't even understand!

LOL
I MUST COMMEND YOUR DOGGEDNESS. THE NEVER GIVE UP SPIRIT OF A FOOTBALL FAN.



ITS JUST THAT YOUR ATTEMPT AT DEFINING TERRORISM WAS ANOTHER LAME EFFORT AT SHOVING TERRORISM INTO THE SHELVES OF POLITICS. ITS AS IF YOU SEEM TO BE ASKING ME TO USE A MIRROR TO LOOK AT WHAT I AM HOLDING IN MY PALM.

I AM A NIGERIAN LIVING IN NIGERIA WHERE THERE IS NO SINGLE DAY PASSING BY WITHOUT A TERROR ATTACK

WHAT DICTIONARY DO I NEED TO EXPLAIN TO ME SOMETHING I AM SEEING WITH MY OWN VERY EYE?


LET US CALL A SPADE A SPADE SO THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIND A PERMANENT SOLUTION TO THIS VICIOUS TERROR THAT IS ABOUT TO TEAR INTO THE FABRICS OF OUR LIVES. BUT IN AS MUCH AS SOME PEOPLE CONTINUES TO DEFEND TERROR DUE TO WHATEVER BELIEF THEY ARE HOLDING THEN WE MIGHT NEVER BE ABLE TO COLLECTIVELY END TERRORISM IN NIGERIA.


THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS US ALL.

Karlman:
LOL
I MUST COMMEND YOUR DOGGEDNESS. THE NEVER GIVE UP SPIRIT OF A FOOTBALL FAN.



ITS JUST THAT YOUR ATTEMPT AT DEFINING TERRORISM WAS ANOTHER LAME EFFORT AT SHOVING TERRORISM INTO THE SHELVES OF POLITICS. ITS AS IF YOU SEEM TO BE ASKING ME TO USE A MIRROR TO LOOK AT WHAT I AM HOLDING IN MY PALM.

I AM A NIGERIAN LIVING IN NIGERIA WHERE THERE IS NO SINGLE DAY PASSING BY WITHOUT A TERROR ATTACK

WHAT DICTIONARY DO I NEED TO EXPLAIN TO ME SOMETHING I AM SEEING WITH MY OWN VERY EYE?


LET US CALL A SPADE A SPADE SO THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIND A PERMANENT SOLUTION TO THIS VICIOUS TERROR THAT IS ABOUT TO TEAR INTO THE FABRICS OF OUR LIVES. BUT IN AS MUCH AS SOME PEOPLE CONTINUES TO DEFEND TERROR DUE TO WHATEVER BELIEF THEY ARE HOLDING THEN WE MIGHT NEVER BE ABLE TO COLLECTIVELY END TERRORISM IN NIGERIA.


THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS US ALL.

I'm not sure what you're on about. There is an accepted definition of terrorism, whether you like it or agree with it. On that basis how do you distinguish the armed groups battle the state in different areas? Logic, not sentiment please. When thousands flee the country because elections are being held, do you not think we have a big problem? Or is that only certain kinds of threat that appeal to your prejudices, qualify as terrorism? Basically you feel ok in rejecting the dictionary definition of terrorism?

in addition, radical and poor up-bringing of some northern children is a strong reason for Boko haram. Any culture or religion that encourages young children stoning another human being in the name of religion or belief need a re-orientation! Northern children have grown up to liking violence as a way of life and their Sheik and Emirs have done little to shed this tendency. This I believe is a major contributor to terrorism.

emrealtors:
in addition, radical and poor up-bringing of some northern children is a strong reason for Boko haram. Any culture or religion that encourages young children stoning another human being in the name of religion or belief need a re-orientation! Northern children have grown up to liking violence as a way of life and their Sheik and Emirs have done little to shed this tendency. This I believe is a major contributor to terrorism.

yeah religious violence is what has molded them to imbibing violence as a natural phenomenon

Born to rule mentality