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Rape And The Bible by Nobody: 6:17pm On Aug 04, 2015
Deuteronomy 22:28-29

" If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."

Did God really command this ?

Imagine a girl recovering from the trauma and shame of rape , then forced to live with the criminal and bear his children.

Floor open.....................

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Re: Rape And The Bible by Scholar8200(m): 6:29pm On Aug 04, 2015
frosbel:
Deuteronomy 22:28-29

" If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."

Did God really command this ?

Imagine a girl recovering from the trauma and shame of rape , then forced to live with the criminal and bear his children.

Floor open.....................
Exodus 22:17 shows that there is no element of force! (Why not do a thorough study before coming out?)

If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.Exodus 22:17

Meaning the money will be paid as a compensation to the father!
Unlike today's shamelessness, virginity was highly esteemed in those days and such woman thus violated will prefer to be married to the rapist! Why? she may not get any one to marry and the shame will be unbearable. Even if she got married, the security of the union will be very uncertain. Note that the verse you quoted refer only to a rapist not married. If he was already married... read Deuteronomy 22:23-27

For further studies, read 2 Samuel 13:1-20; Deuteronomy 22:13-21

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Re: Rape And The Bible by Nobody: 6:38pm On Aug 04, 2015
Scholar8200:

Exodus 22:17 shows that there is no element of force! (Why not do a thorough study before coming out?)

If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.Exodus 22:17

no element of force ??

Who are you kidding. Rape is always by force and against the victims will.


Meaning the money will be paid as a compensation to the father!

okay, and then why is the rapist who forced himself on the woman forced to marry her against her will ?

Unlike today's shamelessness, virginity was highly esteemed in those days and such woman thus violated will prefer to be married to the rapist! Why? she may not get any one to marry and the shame will be unbearable. Even if she got married, the security of the union will be very uncertain. Note that the verse you quoted refer only to a rapist not married. If he was already married... read Deuteronomy 22:23-27

so the solution is to marry the abuser to align with societal norms ?

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Re: Rape And The Bible by cold(m): 6:42pm On Aug 04, 2015
Scholar8200:

Exodus 22:17 shows that there is no element of force! (Why not do a thorough study before coming out?)
If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.Exodus 22:17
Meaning the money will be paid as a compensation to the father!
Unlike today's shamelessness, virginity was highly esteemed in those days and such woman thus violated will prefer to be married to the rapist! Why? she may not get any one to marry and the shame will be unbearable. Even if she got married, the security of the union will be very uncertain. Note that the verse you quoted refer only to a rapist not married. If he was already married... read Deuteronomy 22:23-27
For further studies, read 2 Samuel 13:1-20; Deuteronomy 22:13-21
No element of force indeed. Then what do you make of god using rapè as means of punishment? Is that not the application of force?
King James Bible
Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun. 2 Samuel 12:11
How can a 'loving god' even think of this? Really pathetic.
By the way,i see Frosbel is really getting in touch with his inner atheist. So much transformation from early writeups on this forum...hmm interesting.

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Re: Rape And The Bible by Scholar8200(m): 6:43pm On Aug 04, 2015
frosbel:


no element of force ??
I'll assume you misunderstood. I was referring to force where you used it in your conclusion in the op!!!
Imagine a girl recovering from the trauma and shame of rape , then forced to live with the criminal and bear his children.



okay, and then why is the rapist who forced himself on the woman forced to marry her against her will ?
Just like it happened for Rebecca, the father's decision to either give her out or not will not be sans the daughter's willingness!



so the solution is to marry the abuser to align with societal norms ?
Who said so?

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Re: Rape And The Bible by Nobody: 6:44pm On Aug 04, 2015
frosbel:
Deuteronomy 22:28-29

" If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."

Did God really command this ?

Imagine a girl recovering from the trauma and shame of rape , then forced to live with the criminal and bear his children.

Floor open.....................

It's not clear from the bible that most of those laws are from God. They are called mosaic laws cause they were attributed to moses it's only the ten commandments that are clearly said to be from God.

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Re: Rape And The Bible by yorubadelta(f): 6:44pm On Aug 04, 2015
frosbel:
Deuteronomy 22:28-29

" If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."

Did God really command this ?

Imagine a girl recovering from the trauma and shame of rape , then forced to live with the criminal and bear his children.

Floor open.....................



Those were the days the laws of Moses were applicable. Jesus Christ came to replace those laws in the New Testament.

I dont understand why athiests on this forum are so heavily invested in bashing a God they claim to not believe in. undecided

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Re: Rape And The Bible by Scholar8200(m): 6:45pm On Aug 04, 2015
cold:
^^^ no element of force indeed. Then what do you make of god using rapè as means of punishment? Is that not the application of force?
I'm afraid you were too hasty, like the op!

King James Bible
Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun. 2 Samuel 12:11
How can a 'loving god' even think of this? Really pathetic.
.
Why would a Righteous Judge not punish a man that slept with his subordinate's wife and murdered her husband!!!

Mr,This is Theophobia not atheism!

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Re: Rape And The Bible by cold(m): 6:55pm On Aug 04, 2015
yorubadelta:




Those were the days the laws of Moses were applicable. Jesus Christ came to replace those laws in the New Testament.

I dont understand why athiests on this forum are so heavily invested in bashing a God they claim to not believe in. undecided
We will continue to point out the innacuracies in your story book and the folly and futility of paying obeisance to a Jewish deity that is better left as a relic of the past. Or better still,if you're so invested in this god and his magical powers why don't you just pray to make us stop? Now how hard is that

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Re: Rape And The Bible by davien(m): 6:58pm On Aug 04, 2015
yorubadelta:




Those were the days the laws of Moses were applicable. Jesus Christ came to replace those laws in the New Testament.

I dont understand why athiests on this forum are so heavily invested in bashing a God they claim to not believe in. undecided
Okay,if Moses laws are irrelevant what are the ten commandments then?...Isn't it in the old testament too?

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Re: Rape And The Bible by cold(m): 7:00pm On Aug 04, 2015
Scholar8200:
I'm afraid you were too hasty, like the op!
Why would a Righteous Judge not punish a man that slept with his subordinate's wife and murdered her husband!!!

Mr,This is Theophobia not atheism!
Oh yes and in your haste to jump in your god's defence you justify rapè as a means of punishment because the so called god almighty couldn't come up with anything better. So many sick folks on here. See what religion reduces people to..sigh

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Re: Rape And The Bible by yorubadelta(f): 7:22pm On Aug 04, 2015
cold:

We will continue to point out the innacuracies in your story book and the folly and futility of paying obeisance to a Jewish deity that is better left as a relic of the past. Or better still,if you're so invested in this god and his magical powers why don't you just pray to make us stop? Now how hard is that


LOL. Continue to give yourself headache o. I've said my piece. Goodbye.

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Re: Rape And The Bible by Scholar8200(m): 7:27pm On Aug 04, 2015
cold:

Oh yes and in your haste to jump in your god's defence you justify rapè as a means of punishment
You sow a seed, you reap a basket.
Re: Rape And The Bible by cold(m): 7:49pm On Aug 04, 2015
yorubadelta:



LOL. Continue to give yourself headache o. I've said my piece. Goodbye.
Bye..as long as you take this stance and keep your religious shenanigans to your house and your church then you won't have to worry about me ridiculing your skydaddy. Cheers

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Re: Rape And The Bible by plaetton: 7:52pm On Aug 04, 2015
Jagoon:


It's not clear from the bible that most of those laws are from God.

In fact, my dear friend, it is very clear that most and all of those laws did not come from any god.

There is a slight-of-hand in the bible that most people have tended to ignore. And I believe the reason is that most people do not read the bible.

Somewhere, inconspicuously tucked in the bible, is a verse that tells us that when Moses got tired of judging and arbitrating on daily issues for the Israelites, He solicited the advice of his new inlaw, LORD JETHRO , LORD Of the Medianites.
The key word here is " LORD ".

Now, before that time and thereafter, no one had been or was ever addressed as LORD , except , of course , for the assumed tribal deity, YAHWEH.

Back to the story.
So, according the bible, LORD Jethro goes ahead to advise Moses to impose rules and regulations guiding daily life amongst the Israelites, using, as is so evident, Medianite LAWS .

The funny and suspicious thing is that the chroniclers forgot to mention or remind us that the Mosaic LAWS were from LORD Jethro , king of Median, rather than from LORD GOD .

So, Mosaic Laws were essentially Medianite laws.

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Re: Rape And The Bible by cold(m): 8:03pm On Aug 04, 2015
Scholar8200:
You sow a seed, you reap a basket.
Indeed..no surprises there

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Re: Rape And The Bible by Rilwayne001: 8:21pm On Aug 04, 2015
Jagoon:


It's not clear from the bible that most of those laws are from God. They are called mosaic laws cause they were attributed to moses it's only the ten commandments that are clearly said to be from God.

shocked shocked

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Re: Rape And The Bible by Demmzy15(m): 8:51pm On Aug 04, 2015
Jagoon:


It's not clear from the bible that most of those laws are from God. They are called mosaic laws cause they were attributed to moses it's only the ten commandments that are clearly said to be from God.
shocked shocked shocked

Re: Rape And The Bible by johnydon22(m): 8:55pm On Aug 04, 2015
yorubadelta:




Those were the days the laws of Moses were applicable. Jesus Christ came to replace those laws in the New Testament.

I dont understand why athiests on this forum are so heavily invested in bashing a God they claim to not believe in. undecided
This is one of the weakest defence Christians muster for the bible, "it is in the old testament..

Nobody is asking whether it is the old testament or new...The main point is that

[size=16]Your god actually gave those laws thinking it is the right thing to do in that case and that is just the point.[/size]

maybe you are just very ashamed of such dumbness as exhibited by the supposedly omnideity why don't you say so and stop the old testament and new testament crap.

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Re: Rape And The Bible by Rilwayne001: 9:06pm On Aug 04, 2015
Demmzy15:

shocked shocked shocked

The dude sabi lie en. Even satan will be astounded by that lie. According to 2 Timothy 3:16 all scripture is God-breathed, jagoon is now saying otherwise since it doesn't add up to his delusion.

Jagoon, all liars are going to hell. I hope you know that.
Re: Rape And The Bible by Demmzy15(m): 9:28pm On Aug 04, 2015
Rilwayne001:


The dude sabi lie en. Even satan will be astounded by that lie. According to 2 Timothy 3:16 all scripture of the scripture is God-breathed, jagoon is now saying otherwise since it doesn't add up to his delusion.

Jagoon, all liars are going to hell. I hope you know that.
Wallahi the thing shock me o! They only use the old testament when it supports them but discard if against them embarassed Hypocrisy of the First Order!

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Re: Rape And The Bible by TheSonOfMark(m): 10:51pm On Aug 04, 2015
Rilwayne001:


The dude sabi lie en. Even satan will be astounded by that lie. According to 2 Timothy 3:16 all scripture is God-breathed, jagoon is now saying otherwise since it doesn't add up to his delusion.

Jagoon, all liars are going to hell. I hope you know that.
Gay _bastard, you are hiding here? Still wanking to my pictures which you keep downloading?

How many pre-teen boys have you molested?

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Re: Rape And The Bible by mustymatic(m): 11:40pm On Aug 04, 2015
Scholar8200:

Exodus 22:17 shows that there is no element of force! (Why not do a thorough study before coming out?)

If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.Exodus 22:17

Meaning the money will be paid as a compensation to the father!
Unlike today's shamelessness, virginity was highly esteemed in those days and such woman thus violated will prefer to be married to the rapist! Why? she may not get any one to marry and the shame will be unbearable. Even if she got married, the security of the union will be very uncertain. Note that the verse you quoted refer only to a rapist not married. If he was already married... read Deuteronomy 22:23-27

For further studies, read 2 Samuel 13:1-20; Deuteronomy 22:13-21
Do Christians really practice this anywhere today?
Re: Rape And The Bible by Nobody: 11:40pm On Aug 04, 2015
cold:


By the way,i see Frosbel is really getting in touch with his inner atheist. So much transformation from early writeups on this forum...hmm interesting.

I have no 'inner atheist' in me Pal smiley

My belief in God is stronger than ever !
Re: Rape And The Bible by plaetton: 11:55pm On Aug 04, 2015
frosbel:


I have no 'inner atheist' in me Pal smiley

My belief in God is stronger than ever !
You're just waking up to fact that god did evil things, or, yahweh is not god, or, the bible was inspired by stone-age mindset and written by stone-age men, for a stone-age times.

Take your pick.
grin

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Re: Rape And The Bible by tpiander: 2:17am On Aug 05, 2015
frosbel:
Deuteronomy 22:28-29

" If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."

Did God really command this ?

Imagine a girl recovering from the trauma and shame of rape , then forced to live with the criminal and bear his children.


Floor open



I wonder what you'd say about the tribe of benjamin who kidnapped their wives then.

In any case, you'd much rather a young unmarried girl engaged in premarital sex in the olden days when such was considered a crime, and spend the rest of her days in trauma and shame at being shunned by society, than for the bachelor person who caused her problem, to accept responsibility and marry her? Particularly if she had taken in?
Re: Rape And The Bible by johnydon22(m): 7:01am On Aug 05, 2015
frosbel:


I have no 'inner atheist' in me Pal smiley

My belief in God is stronger than ever !
[b]Hahahahaha thats a lie frosbel, we have been there before so we understand the denial. .

You are having a conflict of belief and reality, faith and reason. . . and the blatant implausibilities of your beliefs are now staring you in the face cheesy

https://www.nairaland.com/2496350/questioning-implausibilities-giving-reason-chance

Enjoy....

Actually for me my own journey to atheism started after i read the torah, i couldn't fathom a universal god taking another people's side in wars against another in fact commanding them to wipe them out,

i couldn't imagine a universal god concept having a chosen people over others, i couldn't imagine a universal powerful god acting on such childish egoistic abusive barbarism as Christianity portrayed such as "Worship me or i burn you in a literal fire forever".

So it never made sense to me until i realized the very concept was a jewish invention that was brought here by missionaries, if they had brought Greek mythology here you would have been here shouting Zeus and apollo..(Hard truth)
[/b]

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Re: Rape And The Bible by Nobody: 7:28am On Aug 05, 2015
Demmzy15:

Wallahi the thing shock me o! They only use the old testament when it supports them but discard if against them embarassed Hypocrisy of the First Order!

Abeg sharrap even the old testament with all it's shortcomings is still a million times better than your evil quoran
Re: Rape And The Bible by Scholar8200(m): 7:57am On Aug 05, 2015
mustymatic:

Do Christians really practice this anywhere today?
To start with, rape is a sin and a crime against the law of the country meaning if a christian yields to the temptation and rough handles a lady, he sins against God and he will also face the consequences of his crime.

The question is, how many rapists will willingly ascent to pay dowry? At a time when virginity is despised, even the rapist may claim he was not the first! And like I said, since the willingness of the lady will be sought, most will reject the man (most times, the rapist is usually a person disliked,!)
Re: Rape And The Bible by Nobody: 9:59am On Aug 05, 2015
johnydon22:
[b]Hahahahaha thats a lie frosbel, we have been there before so we understand the denial. .

You are having a conflict of belief and reality, faith and reason. . . and the blatant implausibilities of your beliefs are now staring you in the face cheesy

https://www.nairaland.com/2496350/questioning-implausibilities-giving-reason-chance

Enjoy....

Actually for me my own journey to atheism started after i read the torah, i couldn't fathom a universal god taking another people's side in wars against another in fact commanding them to wipe them out,

i couldn't imagine a universal god concept having a chosen people over others, i couldn't imagine a universal powerful god acting on such childish egoistic abusive barbarism as Christianity portrayed such as "Worship me or i burn you in a literal fire forever".

So it never made sense to me until i realized the very concept was a jewish invention that was brought here by missionaries, if they had brought Greek mythology here you would have been here shouting Zeus and apollo..(Hard truth)
[/b]

You will wait forever if you think I am ever going in the direction of atheism - wink
Re: Rape And The Bible by malvisguy212: 9:59am On Aug 05, 2015
frosbel:
Deuteronomy 22:28-29

" If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."

Did God really command this ?

Imagine a girl recovering from the trauma and shame of rape , then forced to live with the criminal and bear his children.

Floor open.....................
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NIV
"If a man happens to meet a virgin
who is not pledged to be married and
rapes her and they are discovered,
he shall pay the girl's father fifty
shekels of silver. He must marry the
girl, for he has VIOLATED ( anah) her. He
can never divorce her as long as he
lives."

First, this verse did not condone or sanctioned rape, if something like this happened in real life, is a tight situation to the isrealite, the verse was given to them on how to deal with such situation if occurred.

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Re: Rape And The Bible by Nobody: 10:02am On Aug 05, 2015
no matter what we say, forcing a rape victim to live with her abuser is totally wrong and out of order.

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