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| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by Nobody: 7:45pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
queenzibah:I love Queenszibah |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by manny4life(m): 7:48pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
kaboninc:If outflow is seriously restricted (the physical cash is baseless), please, kindly enlighten us how CBN intends to resolve the short term needs of businesses that need access to external facilities... I really want to hear this. |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by biafranqueen: 7:50pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
barcanista:Waiting for your thread on this useless measure this is going to backfire big time by Christmas warn themooo! |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by manny4life(m): 7:50pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
I don't understand why anyone in their right mind would support this measure that's it's sole intent is to hurt small and medium enterprises. A lot of businesses (import and export), directly or indirectly, are active participants in the exchange market. I can understand not depositing $$$ in a domicile account, but also restricting outflows, that's simply ridiculous. |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by kaboninc(m): 7:51pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
manny4life:Am running out of time but I just wrote something. Please take time and scroll up the page. You will find it. Secondly, yes foreign exchange is a strong component of the economy but it is best used when it is held outside the country as you just cannot afford to allow your own currency to compete with a foreign one most especially when our economy is like ours. You need strong, solid fundamentals before you can even think of it. Chinese external reserves is held in USD. They have the largest economy by Purchasing Power Parity. The Japanese too. All in the USD but in these countries, the USD cannot compete with their local tender nau. Thirdly, as for the economic impact, there are some companies that will need to import some goods and by virtue of the products, they either may not be able to access the FX from the CBN or want to avoid strict documentation. So they resort to the black market (any other source). And if they acquire this at exorbitant rates, prices will increase. That's the immediate economic implication. |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by espn(m): 7:54pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
barcanista:let me ask u OP..please explain to me if Nigerians are allowed to operate a Dom acct in the united states. If YES..is such transactions done with the NAIRA. If NO? What's ur argument.. |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by Eyop: 7:55pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
kaboninc:Ok,take for instance i have an inflow of $100k and i want to change that to Naira but i decide not to make use of the bank but rather to wire the funds out to a party that is willing to credit me Naira which of course will be more favorable compared to using the bank. Will there be a penalty for doing this? |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by kaboninc(m): 8:00pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
manny4life:The cash sold by the BDCs were actually intended to be used for PTA, BTA, medical fees, etc. These are light funds (less than $10k) which you can easily transport out of the country without any hassle from the customs. There are other means of channeling funds out of Nigeria - (Money Transfer agents like the Western Union and Money Gram and what we call inflows) but sadly, I do not intend to go into other such details online. However, if you have a legitimate need for USD, approach your bankers or me . |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by kaboninc(m): 8:01pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
Eyop:If you do have it, send me a PM. We'll talk about it. ![]() |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by professore(m): 8:02pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
Let us see as it plays out |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by Nobody: 8:02pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
MizMyColi:Barcanista is merely doing what he does best, which is hating. I'm not a Buhari apologist, infact i condemned cbn's action from the onset. But so far, their approach is working. It is not a cosmetic solution as you put it. The rash action is to force a rapid appreciation of the naira. Once the naira appreciates to a significant level, cbn will begin to allow regulated dollar deposits, to forestall any dollar scarcity. This should keep the exchange rate steady for a while, while a stronger manufacturing base gives the naira more fighting power. |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by Nobody: 8:03pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
Possibly the dullard is hoping on stolen money in foreign banks to support the depreciation of Naira when the time comes. |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by Eyop: 8:03pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
kaboninc: shap man. You never even answer question,you don dey negotiate ![]() |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by otokx(m): 8:04pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
Truth be told this has no bearing on every day Nigerian who does not have a Nigerian passport, talk less of domiciliary account. The bad thing also is that eventually a way will be found to circumvent the process. |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by persius555(m): 8:04pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
The banks and BDC are most likely to lose. I remember two years ago i tried to import some goods from china, my bank refused to accept naira to be deposited in my DOM account(@ official rate), i had to go to the black market to get the needed dollar and i got it @ a rate 20 percent higher than official exchange rate. ON getting to the bank, my bank imposed different cut-throat charges(@ unofficial rate converted to naira) that would make my goods expensive on the long run. The BDC and the banks operate a rackettering ring that ensures that they make enough profits all the time and the end consumers are the ones at loss. A banker friend of mine told me the BDC exchange the dollars with the banks at a rate that both parties profit. I also learnt that the black market traders have a way of striking juicy deals with the banks when they have clients who are willing to buy large amounts of dollars but are not ready to meet CBN demand (backdoor currency trade). Is this not money laundering? Right now, i am waiting for thr dollar to crash to all time low before i make my order. Op, all you are saying is impractical theory. Where in the world is currency sold in the open? The banks create scarcity, the black markets make profit from speculation and they share profits with the banks. Op, not everyone is a novice on nairaland. |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by doncaster(m): 8:09pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
otokx:It has on the impact on prices in the market. Remember the petrol you and I buy at the pump is imported and the business was transacted with dollar. |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by drnelson: 8:10pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
[size=18pt]This barcanista of a monkey fails to reveal in his wrote up that it was his IGBO sisters that milked the Nigerian treasury of billions of dollars and that is why Naira is almost 250 today. So while some of us Nigerians are happy at its appreciation these IGBO sabotages are writing such articles as of Buhari made Naira to be 250. [/size] |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by udemzyudex(m): 8:11pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
Mynd44:Seriously your busy body is too much, I just like the fact that he always ignore you..... |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by manny4life(m): 8:15pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
kaboninc:Doesn't make any sense, why should receipt from BDC's be actually intended for these reasons? Why can't money be wired electronically to it's destination? Transport how exactly? How about people who have no access to travel out but have a legitimate reason for foreign exchange, then what? Example, I sent goods to Nigeria, the goods are sold and since I am not present physically, wouldn't it make sense for money to be wired back to me at official exchange rate. In this case, what happens? How do we circumvent the process? If I borrowed funds to transact the business, how do I mitigate a potential loss? Please leave the transfer agents, you know exactly how I mean. Besides, these WT agents don't wire from Nigeria, I could be wrong because I haven't tried it but I know Money Gram DOES NOT accept wires from Nigeria. |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by 2sex(m): 8:16pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
MizMyColi:The great economist who I respect on this board are billyonaire and manny4life as well as yuzenzo |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by Spirit1(m): 8:19pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
neurologist:Unfortunately his predictions will come to pass. Mark my words. I usually do not take OP seriously, but he is 100% right on the money here. His analysis is stellar. There is one fact that most of us fail to appreciate; Nigeria does not produce anything. We are an import dependent country. |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by conyema12(m): 8:20pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
Mynd44:You mean defending the naira without burning the reserve at the detriment of your import dependent economy. |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by kaboninc(m): 8:20pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
Eyop:There can be depending on how your bankers manage it. But actually, you'll bear transfer charges. I don't have the exact composition but it depends on a certain percentage as commission, VAT, and telex fee. |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by doncaster(m): 8:23pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
manny4life:Money gram and W/union do now but it's very difficult. In Nigeria things works in abnormal way. I don't know the reason why somebody must buy dollar b4 doing an international transfer when such person has naira equivalent in his or her account. It makes no sense. |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by Deltagiant: 8:23pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
Please, does anyone know if the banks still do Western Union transfers (to the US and Europe) under the current circumstances? Thanks |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by uridadole: 8:24pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
helpee:Thanks bro. Bacanista or vucanizar is just blinded ana pained by pdp failure at the polls. He does not even know that it is a criminal offence to transact in currecies other than dollar in USA or other than pounds sterling in the UK. This a currency magt policy that has worked for them. Our employers have started planning to pay foreign staff in naira. This will reduce pressure. We should rather be encouraged to produce locally and help our economy. Windows for forex to genuine businesses especially those importing spares and machinery is wide open by CBN |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by Nobody: 8:26pm On Aug 04, 2015*. Modified: 8:46pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
Do you have a domicilliary account? If yes, please do you regularly wire money out? if yes, go and ask your banker what I just told you and you would know I am right... this was not really a CBN decision, it was the banks that made this decision and CBN governor just capitalised on it to make himself look good... The stance of banks was to stop collecting dollars from currency speculators and NOT to punish exporters. PS: please ask your account officer this question or look for someone with a domicilliary account to ask this question. I am not arguing, i just want you to ask, then you would know I am right. This stuff is about trust, as long as you are NOT identified as a currency speculator or currency changer, your funds can be wired out immediately you deposit the dollars in cash. You can still receive money into your domiciliary account through dollar cheque deposit and wire transfer. Look at what I am saying as a business tip and not as an argument (APC vs PDP). kaboninc: manny4life : |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by atlwireles: 8:31pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
manny4life:That's the question nobody has been able to answer. |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by andyanders: 8:36pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
barcanista:Well said my brother. People do not understand what determines the value of their currency. We depend mostly on imports and if this attitude is not changed, we should expect the naira to continue to depreciate futher |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by terrymason(m): 8:38pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
MizMyColi:oga b4 the op mis-lead you! Remembered that 41 items was ban from importation! So this op know pass the cbn boss! |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by rman: 8:39pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
kaboninc:Nice one! |
| Re: Naira "Appreciation": Why Nigerians Should Not Celebrate by Nobody: 8:41pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
barcanista:barcanista the chief wailer |
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? The answers to these questions were very important because if the CBN continues to hold/protect the value of the naira against the dollar in international trade using the foreign exchange reserve, some day, not too soon, the reserve will be depleted and that we do not want.