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Tjayjosh:
Before we can discuss
atheism, we need to define it. According to an official atheism website, atheists define themselves this way: “Atheism is
not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in
gods.” Those who identify as atheist prefer to emphasize
their lack of belief rather than the refusal to believe. They consider atheism to be intellectually superior to faith in God. However, this definition clashes with the biblical worldview, which states, "The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God’” ( Psalm 14:1; 53:1). Since atheists can agree with people of faith that every human being has the freedom to choose what he or she thinks or believes, we will
define atheism here as the choice to disbelieve in any kind
of Supreme Being to which mankind is
accountable. Statistics show that atheism is on the rise in countries that have historically had a strong christian influence. These statistics include those raised in godless homes, but they also show an alarming increase among those who once held to some form of faith. When we hear of a prominent figure in Christianity renouncing the faith he or she used to claim, we are left
wondering, “Why?” Why would so many people stop believing in God when His handiwork is everywhere ( Psalm 19:1; 97:6;
Romans 1:20)? Every culture on earth recognizes some form of deity, so why are so many people claiming they do not believe in
any god at all?
There are several reasons people may define themselves as
atheists. The first is ignorance. Due to lack of correct information, a person may conclude that nothing exists beyond this universe and man’s experience of it. Since there remains a great deal we do not
know, ignorance often invents ideas to fill in the blanks. This
often results in either false religions or atheism. Sketchy information about
God is often tainted by mythology or religious superstition to the extent that
anything supernatural sounds like a fairy tale. Exposed to a mishmash of confusing claims, some people decide there is no truth to any of it and throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Disillusionment is another reason some
people become atheists. Due to negative experiences,
such as having a prayer go unanswerd or seeing hypocritical behaviour in others, a
person may conclude that God does not exist. This response is often fueled by anger or hurt. These people reason that, if God
existed, He would behave in ways they could comprehend or
agree with. Since He did not respond the way they wanted
Him to, they conclude that He must not exist at all. They may stumble over complicated concepts such as hell, Old
Testament genocide, or eternity and conclude the God of the Bible is too confusing to be real.
Disillusionment propels people to find
comfort in what is seen and known, rather than an invisible diety. To avoid the possibility of more disappointment, they
abandon any attempt at faith and find a measure of comfort in
deciding that God simply does not exist.
Closely linked to the disillusioned
are those who call themselves "atheists"
when, in fact, they are anti-God. Atheist is a label some hide behind to mask a deep hatred toward God. Often due to
childhood trauma or abuse in the name of religion, these people
are consumed by an antipathy toward all things religious. The
only way they can retaliate against a God they consider cruel
is to deny Him vehemently. Events
of the past have left wounds so deep that is easier to deny the
reality of God than admit that they hate Him. True atheists
would not include this group in their numbers, as they recognize that to be angry with God is to
acknowledge His existence. Still typing...

Tjayjosh:
an official atheism website,

but they also show an alarming increase among those who once held to some form of faith. When we hear of a prominent figure in Christianity renouncing the faith he or she used to claim, we are left
wondering, “Why?” Why would so many people stop believing in God when His handiwork is everywhere ( Psalm 19:1; 97:6;
Romans 1:20)? Every culture on earth recognizes some form of deity, so why are so many people claiming they do not believe in
any god at all?

There are several reasons people may define themselves as
atheists. The first is ignorance. Due to lack of correct information, a person may conclude that nothing exists beyond this universe and man’s experience of it. Since there remains a great deal we do not
know, ignorance often invents ideas to fill in the blanks. This
often results in either false religions or atheism. Sketchy information about
God is often tainted by mythology or religious superstition to the extent that
anything supernatural sounds like a fairy tale. Exposed to a mishmash of confusing claims, some people decide there is no truth to any of it and throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Disillusionment is another reason some
people become atheists. Due to negative experiences,
such as having a prayer go unanswerd or seeing hypocritical behaviour in others, a
person may conclude that God does not exist. This response is often fueled by anger or hurt. These people reason that, if God
existed, He would behave in ways they could comprehend or
agree with. Since He did not respond the way they wanted
Him to, they conclude that He must not exist at all. They may stumble over complicated concepts such as hell, Old
Testament genocide, or eternity and conclude the God of the Bible is too confusing to be real.
Disillusionment propels people to find
comfort in what is seen and known, rather than an invisible diety. To avoid the possibility of more disappointment, they
abandon any attempt at faith and find a measure of comfort in
deciding that God simply does not exist.

True atheists
would not include this group [those angry with god] in their numbers, as they recognize that to be angry with God is to
acknowledge His existence. Still typing...

Tjayjosh:
But many people do, in fact, call themselves atheists while simultaneously expressing outrage toward a God whose
existence they deny.
Still others reject the idea of God because they want Him to be
easier to find. When well-known atheist Richard Dawkins was
asked, “What would you say if you faced God after death?" he
responded, “I would say to Him, Why did you take such great pains to conceal yourself?’” Some
people frown at the fact that God is spirit, invisible, and found only through faith
(Hebrews 11:6;
Jeremiah 29:13). They adopt the attitude that the creator of the
universe owes them evidence of His existence beyond what He has already lavishly given ( Psalm
19:1; 102:25; Romans 1:20).
Jesus dealt with this mindset when He walked the earth. In
Mark 8, Jesus had just fed four thousand people with a sack of
lunch, but the intellectual elites
came to Him demanding that He
perform a sign to “prove” He was the messiah (verse11). Jesus illustrated this
hardness of heart in His parable about the rich man in hell who longed to warn his
brothers about what awaited them after death ( Luke 16:19–
31). From heaven, Abraham answered, "If they do not listen
to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even
someone rises from the dead.” The most likely explanation for
the continuing rise of atheism has not changed since the
Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:6;
Romans 3:23). The very essence of all sin is self determination. By denying the existence of a
Creator, atheists can do whatever they please without concern for future judgment or eternal
consequences ( Matthew 12:36;
Romans 14:12; 1 Peter 4:5; Hebrews 4:13). In the twenty-first cenury, self-worship has become culturally
acceptable. Atheism appeals to a generation raised on evolutionary theory
and moral relativism. John 3:19 says, “Light has come into the
world, but people loved darkness
instead of light because their deeds were evil." If human
beings are self-created, self-
determined, and self-centered, then there is no moral law or
lawgiver to whom they must submit. There are no absolutes and no one to whom they are
ultimately accountable. By
adopting such mindset, atheists can focus on seeking
pleasure in this life alone. As long as scientists, professors,
and philosophers peddle their atheistic
viewpoints as truth and wisdom, people will continue to buy it because the idea of self-determination
appeals to our rebellious natures. The attitude is nothing new, but the changing cultural norms are making it
more openly acceptable. Romans
1:18–31 details the results of this rejection of God's authority. Verse 28 says, "God gave them
over to a depraved mind, so that they do
what ought not to be
done.” Our world is seeing the results of that depravity. What
atheists call “enlightenment,”
God calls foolishness. Verses 22–23 say, "Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools.”
Since the “fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom” ( Psalm
111:10; Proverbs 1:7; 9:10), then the denial (atheism)
is the beginning of foolishness.

Tjayjosh:
But many people do, in fact, call themselves atheists while simultaneously expressing outrage toward a God whose
existence they deny.
Still others reject the idea of God because they want Him to be
easier to find. When well-known atheist Richard Dawkins was
asked, “What would you say if you faced God after death?" he
responded, “I would say to Him, Why did you take such great pains to conceal yourself?’” Some
people frown at the fact that God is spirit, invisible, and found only through faith
(Hebrews 11:6;
Jeremiah 29:13). They adopt the attitude that the creator of the
universe owes them evidence of His existence beyond what He has already lavishly given ( Psalm
19:1; 102:25; Romans 1:20).
Jesus dealt with this mindset when He walked the earth. In
Mark 8, Jesus had just fed four thousand people with a sack of
lunch, but the intellectual elites
came to Him demanding that He
perform a sign to “prove” He was the messiah (verse11). Jesus illustrated this
hardness of heart in His parable about the rich man in hell who longed to warn his
brothers about what awaited them after death ( Luke 16:19–
31). From heaven, Abraham answered, "If they do not listen
to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even
someone rises from the dead.” The most likely explanation for
the continuing rise of atheism has not changed since the
Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:6;
Romans 3:23). The very essence of all sin is self determination. By denying the existence of a
Creator, atheists can do whatever they please without concern for future judgment or eternal
consequences ( Matthew 12:36;
Romans 14:12; 1 Peter 4:5; Hebrews 4:13). In the twenty-first cenury, self-worship has become culturally
acceptable. Atheism appeals to a generation raised on evolutionary theory
and moral relativism. John 3:19 says, “Light has come into the
world, but people loved darkness
instead of light because their deeds were evil." If human
beings are self-created, self-
determined, and self-centered, then there is no moral law or
lawgiver to whom they must submit. There are no absolutes and no one to whom they are
ultimately accountable. By
adopting such mindset, atheists can focus on seeking
pleasure in this life alone. As long as scientists, professors,
and philosophers peddle their atheistic
viewpoints as truth and wisdom, people will continue to buy it because the idea of self-determination
appeals to our rebellious natures. The attitude is nothing new, but the changing cultural norms are making it
more openly acceptable. Romans
1:18–31 details the results of this rejection of God's authority. Verse 28 says, "God gave them
over to a depraved mind, so that they do
what ought not to be
done.” Our world is seeing the results of that depravity. What
atheists call “enlightenment,”
God calls foolishness. Verses 22–23 say, "Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools.”
Since the “fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom” ( Psalm
111:10; Proverbs 1:7; 9:10), then the denial (atheism)
is the beginning of foolishness.

Tjayjosh:
But many people do, in fact, call themselves atheists while simultaneously expressing outrage toward a God whose
existence they deny.
Still others reject the idea of God because they want Him to be
easier to find. When well-known atheist Richard Dawkins was
asked, “What would you say if you faced God after death?" he
responded, “I would say to Him, Why did you take such great pains to conceal yourself?’” Some
people frown at the fact that God is spirit, invisible, and found only through faith
(Hebrews 11:6;
Jeremiah 29:13). They adopt the attitude that the creator of the
universe owes them evidence of His existence beyond what He has already lavishly given ( Psalm
19:1; 102:25; Romans 1:20).
Jesus dealt with this mindset when He walked the earth. In
Mark 8, Jesus had just fed four thousand people with a sack of
lunch, but the intellectual elites
came to Him demanding that He
perform a sign to “prove” He was the messiah (verse11). Jesus illustrated this
hardness of heart in His parable about the rich man in hell who longed to warn his
brothers about what awaited them after death ( Luke 16:19–
31). From heaven, Abraham answered, "If they do not listen
to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even
someone rises from the dead.” The most likely explanation for
the continuing rise of atheism has not changed since the
Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:6;
Romans 3:23). The very essence of all sin is self determination. By denying the existence of a
Creator, atheists can do whatever they please without concern for future judgment or eternal
consequences ( Matthew 12:36;
Romans 14:12; 1 Peter 4:5; Hebrews 4:13). In the twenty-first cenury, self-worship has become culturally
acceptable. Atheism appeals to a generation raised on evolutionary theory
and moral relativism. John 3:19 says, “Light has come into the
world, but people loved darkness
instead of light because their deeds were evil." If human
beings are self-created, self-
determined, and self-centered, then there is no moral law or
lawgiver to whom they must submit. There are no absolutes and no one to whom they are
ultimately accountable. By
adopting such mindset, atheists can focus on seeking
pleasure in this life alone. As long as scientists, professors,
and philosophers peddle their atheistic
viewpoints as truth and wisdom, people will continue to buy it because the idea of self-determination
appeals to our rebellious natures. The attitude is nothing new, but the changing cultural norms are making it
more openly acceptable. Romans
1:18–31 details the results of this rejection of God's authority. Verse 28 says, "God gave them
over to a depraved mind, so that they do
what ought not to be
done.” Our world is seeing the results of that depravity. What
atheists call “enlightenment,”
God calls foolishness. Verses 22–23 say, "Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools.”
Since the “fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom” ( Psalm
111:10; Proverbs 1:7; 9:10), then the denial (atheism)
is the beginning of foolishness.

pesty100:
we are outraged at the idea called god

Tjayjosh:
Why?

krattoss:
do u beleive in allah?
Is allah the same person as yahweh?

Jozzy4:
@ Tjayjosh

You have started this nonsense again .

You said " the God concept of islam and judaism (which Jesus Practice ) denies the triune nature of God" .

Good ! Why do u say God is triune (3) , whereas Jesus worship Only One God ? Mark 12:29,30 , emphasis on verse 32

johnydon22:
A christian believes in Yahweh and lacks belief in Brahma
A muslim believes in Allah and lacks belief in Yahweh
A hindu believes in Brahma and lacks belief in Allah. . . Every religion lacks belief in other God concept but theirs, an atheist simply lacks belief in all.

There have been up to 5000 God concepts humanity has come up with through o history, You as a muslim, Chrisitian or Hindu is atheistic towards 4,999..you outrightly lack belief in these 4,999 other God concepts the only difference between you and an atheist is that an atheist lacks belief in all 5,000 and that includes the 4,999 you lack belief in and yours.

Tjayjosh:
The Muslim and
Christian views of God have some
similarities. Christians believe in
one eternal God Who created the
universe, and Muslims apply
these attributes to Allah. Both
view God as all-powerful, all-
knowing, and all-present.
A vital difference between the
Islamic and Christian views of
God is the biblical concept of the
Trinity. In the Bible, God has
revealed Himself as one God in
three Persons: God the Father,
God the Son, and God the Holy
Spirit. While each Person of the
Trinity is fully God, God is not
three gods but three in one.
God’s Son came in the form of
man, a truth called the
incarnation ( Luke 1:30-35; John
1:14; Colossians 2:9; 1 John
4:1-3).

Tjayjosh:
Allah is an Arabic word
that means “God” or, more
accurately, “the God.” In Western
culture, it is commonly believed
that the word Allah is used
exclusively by Muslims to
describe their God, but this is not
actually true. The word Allah is
used by Arabic speakers of all
Abrahamic faiths (including
Christianity and Judaism) as
meaning “God.” However,
according to Islam, Allah is God’s
proper name, while Christians
and Jews know Him as YHWH or
Yahweh. When Arabic-speaking
Christians use the word Allah, it is
usually used in combination with
the word al-Ab. Allah al-Ab means
“God the Father,” and this usage
is one way Arab Christians
distinguish themselves from
Muslims.
Before the inception of Islam,
most Arabs were polytheistic
pagans, believing in an unfeeling,
powerful fate that could not be
controlled or altered or
influenced by human beings.
Muslims regard Muhammad as
the last and greatest prophet,
and they credit him with
restoring to the Arabs the
monotheistic faith of their
ancestors. Islam and Judaism
both trace their spiritual lineage
to Abraham, but the God-concept
of Islam is different from that of
Judaism and Christianity in some
significant ways. Yahweh and
Allah are both seen as
omnipotent, omnipresent,
omniscient, and merciful.
However, in both Judaism and
Islam, God’s mercy is dependent,
at least partly and many times
fully, on man’s actions. The
Islamic concept of Allah and the
Jewish concept of Yahweh both
deny the triune nature of God.
They eliminate God’s Son, Jesus,
and they also eliminate the Holy
Spirit as a distinct Person of the
Godhead, For that i don't believe in Allah.

Jozzy4:
sorry man, you didnt answer the question.
^^
As a jew , did jesus worship a triune God?


Show us the bible verse that said God is three in one God ?

freecocoa:
My rage is not directed at god but at the idea of him sold by some people, which has clearly held so many in one form of captivity or the other.

I am angry that a person is suffering, yet hoping, praying and wasting resources on an idea as silly as god, who he was told, brings affliction only to those who don't fear him, yet you that supposedly fear him is in pains, just how is that not enough to make one angry?

I am angry at the people who started the nonsense.

Tjayjosh:
The most difficult thing abou the christian concept of
the Trinity is that there is no way
to perfectly and completely
understand it. The Trinity is a
concept that is impossible for
any human being to fully
understand, let alone explain.
God is infinitely greater than we
are; therefore, we should not
expect to be able to fully
understand Him. The Bible
teaches that the Father is God,
that Jesus is God, and that the
Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also
teaches that there is only one
God. Though we can understand
some facts about the relationship
of the different Persons of the
Trinity to one another, ultimately,
it is incomprehensible to the
human mind. However, this does
not mean the Trinity is not true
or that it is not based on the
teachings of the Bible.
The Trinity is one God existing in
three Persons. Understand that
this is not in any way suggesting
three Gods. Keep in mind when
studying this subject that the
word “Trinity” is not found in
Scripture. This is a term that is
used to attempt to describe the
triune God—three coexistent, co-
eternal Persons who make up
God. Of real importance is that
the concept represented by the
word “Trinity” does exist in
Scripture. The following is what
God’s Word says about the
Trinity:
1) There is one God
( Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians
8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy
2:5).
2) The Trinity consists of three
Persons ( Genesis 1:1, 26; 3:22;
11:7; Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1;
Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; 2
Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis
1:1, the Hebrew plural noun
"Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26,
3:22, 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the
plural pronoun for “us” is used.
The word "Elohim" and the
pronoun “us” are plural forms,
definitely referring in the Hebrew
language to more than two.
While this is not an explicit
argument for the Trinity, it does
denote the aspect of plurality in
God. The Hebrew word for "God,"
"Elohim," definitely allows for the
Trinity.
In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son
is speaking while making
reference to the Father and the
Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1
to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is
the Son speaking. Matthew
3:16-17 describes the event of
Jesus' baptism. Seen in this
passage is God the Holy Spirit
descending on God the Son while
God the Father proclaims His
pleasure in the Son. Matthew
28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14
are examples of three distinct
Persons in the Trinity.
3) The members of the Trinity are
distinguished one from another
in various passages. In the Old
Testament, “LORD” is
distinguished from
“Lord” ( Genesis 19:24; Hosea
1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm
2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). The
Spirit is distinguished from the
“LORD” ( Numbers 27:18) and
from “God” (Psalm 51:10-12).
God the Son is distinguished
from God the Father ( Psalm
45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the
New Testament, Jesus speaks to
the Father about sending a
Helper, the Holy Spirit ( John
14:16-17). This shows that Jesus
did not consider Himself to be
the Father or the Holy Spirit.
Consider also all the other times
in the Gospels where Jesus
speaks to the Father. Was He
speaking to Himself? No. He
spoke to another Person in the
Trinity—the Father.
4) Each member of the Trinity is
God. The Father is God ( John
6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2).
The Son is God (John 1:1, 14;
Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9;
Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20). The
Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1
Corinthians 3:16).
5) There is subordination within
the Trinity. Scripture shows that
the Holy Spirit is subordinate to
the Father and the Son, and the
Son is subordinate to the Father.
This is an internal relationship
and does not deny the deity of
any Person of the Trinity. This is
simply an area which our finite
minds cannot understand
concerning the infinite God.
Concerning the Son see Luke
22:42, John 5:36, John 20:21,
and 1 John 4:14. Concerning the
Holy Spirit see John 14:16, 14:26,
15:26, 16:7, and especially John
16:13-14.

Jozzy4:
@ Tjayjosh

Illustration: When you dont understand Calculus , it simply means you dont know it !

Jesus said " WE (including him) worship what we know" Joh 4:22

But you said : we worship what "we dont fully understand " , in other words " you worship what you dont know ." .

At this point , I drop my pen . Its clear you guyz and Jesus dont have anything in common .

pesty100:
we are outraged at the idea called god

krattoss:
It could have been better if we had believed in our traditional god than the jewish deity.