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bukatyne:
I honestly don't know what anti-feminists (people who do not believe men and women are equal) think about that subject matter however Timbuk2 is the closest to it.

I have only seen one or two female posters whose posts reflect the men and women are not equal thingy. The rest?

The basics of feminisn is online. What others decide to build on it is none of my business

Kimoni:
I had to ask myself if the movement was some form of cult.

Kimoni:
That definition, Bukatyne is a figment of your imagination. You can't define anti-feminism when the root word remains undefined. The day you stop discriminating against and start practicing "free the tips" and "free blood flow", then we can truly start defining anti-feminism

bukatyne:
Feminism I clearly defined.. Google it. Anti anything is the opposite of a thing, not so?

Timbuktou:
I hope your sistren can go by the google/dictionary definition of feminism and stop looking for quotas up and down.

bukatyne:
After Federal Government stop theirs

Timbuktou:
What has FG got to do with the fight for feminism. Is feminism a FG-sponsored movement? so, you're not after equality after all, you're after getting an undue advantage.

One would think a proud feminist would have the honour to abide by the definition of feminism but one would be wrong. It is becoming clearer by the second that while feminism purports to be for equality for all genders, in spirit it is a sinister cult, thanks Kimoni, whose main aim is to further the interest and welfare of women at the expense of men. E don tey wey una done display dis una stale market, we nor dey buy madam. Carry your market go front.

Kimoni:
I hate to get into these feminist arguments especially with females and Bukatyne knows that, not sure why she is drawing me into it.

Anyways, my honest answer - I don't know. I honestly don't know what you'all preach.

I see a lot of scattered arguments on feminist threads ending in swearings and curses. Then I see a lot of women who are very intolerant to other women who do not believe in the movement. Omotola once gave an interview declaring that she was not a feminist and how much she revered her husband and home. The abuses, insults, curses, image tarnishing she got on that thread from feminist was very appalling and honestly, I was very disappointed and if I had been having some doubts about the movement, that sealed it. I had to ask myself if the movement was some form of cult.

Since then, I have see women, mostly singles and a few newly-weds who cannot understand why any woman will not be a feminist because according to them, they have come to liberate women from their controlling husbands. It doesn't matter if you say you are enjoying your marriage or you have spent years making a success of the marriage; to them, you need need the feminist deliverance as long as you believe in submission or headship. Duh

Strangely enough, I get amazed when NL feminist disown people I consider to be true feminists - ie people who want to be free to do anything a man can do. Eg the free the tips. Those are the ones who don't want to cherry pick. If men can bare their chest, they also want to. Isnt hindering them gender discrimination? So why do NL feminist think they have mental issues?

Strangely, I don't even know any feminist in real life, yet I am previledged to know a lot of women achievers offline. The first woman chemical engineer in Nigeria is someone I am previledged to listen and learn from, same with 3 female bank CEOs that I get mentoring from, and countless female executives. I have heard severally from these women, asked them enough questions , not once did I hear about this movement as being one of their success secrets. These are women that when you visit at home, you won't believe it's the same people you know in the office. In their respective homes, equality is a taboo.

Let me copy Damiso's trademark ending words to say, I didn't want to write an epistle o, but somehow, I have ended up writing one. Biko, no vex

bukatyne:
You got it right, I want an undue advantage and there is a conspiracy in Federal Ministry of Health to make men train kids that are not theirs.

Kimoni:
I hate to get into these feminist arguments especially with females and Bukatyne knows that, not sure why she is drawing me into it.

Anyways, my honest answer - I don't know. I honestly don't know what you'all preach.

I see a lot of scattered arguments on feminist threads ending in swearings and curses. Then I see a lot of women who are very intolerant of other women who do not believe in the movement. Omotola once gave an interview declaring that she was not a feminist and how much she revered her husband and home. The abuses, insults, curses, image tarnishing she got on that thread from feminist was very appalling and honestly, I was very disappointed and if I had been having some doubts about the movement, that sealed it. I had to ask myself if the movement was some form of cult.

Since then, I have seen women, mostly singles and a few newly-weds who cannot understand why any woman will not be a feminist because according to them, they have come to liberate women from their controlling husbands. It doesn't matter if you say you are enjoying your marriage or you have spent years making a success of the marriage; to them, you need need the feminist deliverance as long as you believe in submission or headship. Duh

Strangely enough, I get amazed when NL feminist disown people I consider to be true feminists - ie people who want to be free to do anything a man can do. Eg the free the tips. Those are the ones who don't want to cherry pick. If men can bare their chest, they also want to. Isnt hindering them gender discrimination? So why do NL feminist think they have mental issues?

Strangely, I don't even know any feminist in real life, yet I am previledged to know a lot of women achievers offline. The first woman chemical engineer in Nigeria is someone I am previledged to listen and learn from, same with 3 female bank CEOs that I get mentoring from, and countless female executives. I have heard severally from these women, asked them enough questions , not once did I hear about this movement as being one of their success secrets. These are women that when you visit at home, you won't believe it's the same people you know in the office. In their respective homes, equality is a taboo.

Let me copy Damiso's trademark ending words to say, I didn't want to write an epistle o, but somehow, I have ended up writing one. Biko, no vex

Onegai:
Hmm, but the OP is actually wrong.

I mean about the DNA testing in France, Germany and Sweden.

IT IS ILLEGAL TO CONDUCT A SECRET DNA TEST ON A CHILD BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THOSE COUNTRIES' LAWS, IT VIOLATES THEIR RIGHT TO PRIVACY.

The "Disturbing the Peace" falls under that. If you want to get a DNA test, simply apply for a court order which shows the consent of both parents have been given and it will be issued to you immediately. No questions asked. However, some of the men involved in it DO NOT wish their spouse to know they are testing their child (if the child is theirs, they have introduced friction into their relationship by looking for trouble "Disturbing the Peace" so they secretly send the samples abroad for testing.

Even in the US, you cannot get a passport for a child without consent from both parents or a document stating that one parent is dead or unable to give consent (even in jail doesn't count). They won't even let you put anyone's name as the Father on the birth certificate unless you are married (the Father has to go down to the State/City Dept of Public Health and ask that his name to be put on the bc). This is avoid people naming anyone as the Father and hitting him with child support payments.

All these moves are to protect the child and the Father, no?

I mean, you could have simply asked any of your brothers in those European countries who have gotten babes pregnant and tried to abscond and claim it's not theirs. or ask someone who practises international Family Law. Rather than state something you don't know, as a fact in order to score cheap points (now every one who jumped on this thread to shout "men are oppressed! see evidence" look silly because all those dudes who start threads like "I married a Lithuanian geh/lack of papers" could have easily answered this correctly).

And as to why DNA tests are expensive in Nigeria, I thought every reasonable logical person knew everything is inflated in Nigeria for profit.

Right? You knew that right?

oh, wait...

Kimoni:
I hate to get into these feminist arguments especially with females and Bukatyne knows that, not sure why she is drawing me into it.

Anyways, my honest answer - I don't know. I honestly don't know what you'all preach.

I see a lot of scattered arguments on feminist threads ending in swearings and curses. Then I see a lot of women who are very intolerant of other women who do not believe in the movement. Omotola once gave an interview declaring that she was not a feminist and how much she revered her husband and home. The abuses, insults, curses, image tarnishing she got on that thread from feminist was very appalling and honestly, I was very disappointed and if I had been having some doubts about the movement, that sealed it. I had to ask myself if the movement was some form of cult.

Since then, I have seen women, mostly singles and a few newly-weds who cannot understand why any woman will not be a feminist because according to them, they have come to liberate women from their controlling husbands. It doesn't matter if you say you are enjoying your marriage or you have spent years making a success of the marriage; to them, you need need the feminist deliverance as long as you believe in submission or headship. Duh

Strangely enough, I get amazed when NL feminist disown people I consider to be true feminists - ie people who want to be free to do anything a man can do. Eg the free the tips. Those are the ones who don't want to cherry pick. If men can bare their chest, they also want to. Isnt hindering them gender discrimination? So why do NL feminist think they have mental issues?

Strangely, I don't even know any feminist in real life, yet I am previledged to know a lot of women achievers offline. The first woman chemical engineer in Nigeria is someone I am previledged to listen and learn from, same with 3 female bank CEOs that I get mentoring from, and countless female executives. I have heard severally from these women, asked them enough questions , not once did I hear about this movement as being one of their success secrets. These are women that when you visit at home, you won't believe it's the same people you know in the office. In their respective homes, equality is a taboo.

Let me copy Damiso's trademark ending words to say, I didn't want to write an epistle o, but somehow, I have ended up writing one. Biko, no vex

Kimoni:
Omotola once gave an interview declaring that she was not a feminist and how much she revered her husband and home. The abuses, insults, curses, image tarnishing she got on that thread from feminist was very appalling and honestly, I was very disappointed and if I had been having some doubts about the movement, that sealed it. I had to ask myself if the movement was some form of cult.

FrancisTony:
This is mutual and anti-feminists practise it more.
When Adichie made her feminist stance, she was insulted by all and sundry...
Even a jobless dude by name "Gonzaga" had to sit down to compile venomous trash filled with vitriols to insult her and she pressed ignore button because he's not worth it.

The fact is: if you are a dude and support feminists, you will be insulted and I have seen many non-feminists taking shot at feminist but feel that's not an insult.

A non-feminist feel insulted when she makes a point and someone rebut it.
I have not seen a feminist insulting a non-feminist.

[color=#1980BC]So this boy is a feminist? [/color]

naijaboiy:
[color=#1980BC]So this boy is a feminist? [/color]

Ewuro4:
But you're right, people need awareness about these procedures. I for one found out about these over the counter DNA kits on Keeping up with the Kardashians when Khloe used the cheek swab on herself and sent it off in a clear specimen bag. And I'm a Nurse.
Many people on the other hand are also in my shoes and oblivious to this facts.

Where's the scam? Lemme get this straight; you mean the Nig.Fed govt is in some sort of coalition with some baby mamas who has some hidden agenda pertaining to their kiddos otę (genuine) paternity

Kimoni:
I hate to get into these feminist arguments especially with females and Bukatyne knows that, not sure why she is drawing me into it.

Anyways, my honest answer - I don't know. I honestly don't know what you'all preach.

I see a lot of scattered arguments on feminist threads ending in swearings and curses. Then I see a lot of women who are very intolerant of other women who do not believe in the movement. Omotola once gave an interview declaring that she was not a feminist and how much she revered her husband and home. The abuses, insults, curses, image tarnishing she got on that thread from feminist was very appalling and honestly, I was very disappointed and if I had been having some doubts about the movement, that sealed it. I had to ask myself if the movement was some form of cult.

Since then, I have seen women, mostly singles and a few newly-weds who cannot understand why any woman will not be a feminist because according to them, they have come to liberate women from their controlling husbands. It doesn't matter if you say you are enjoying your marriage or you have spent years making a success of the marriage; to them, you need need the feminist deliverance as long as you believe in submission or headship. Duh

Strangely enough, I get amazed when NL feminist disown people I consider to be true feminists - ie people who want to be free to do anything a man can do. Eg the free the tips. Those are the ones who don't want to cherry pick. If men can bare their chest, they also want to. Isnt hindering them gender discrimination? So why do NL feminist think they have mental issues?

Strangely, I don't even know any feminist in real life, yet I am previledged to know a lot of women achievers offline. The first woman chemical engineer in Nigeria is someone I am previledged to listen and learn from, same with 3 female bank CEOs that I get mentoring from, and countless female executives. I have heard severally from these women, asked them enough questions , not once did I hear about this movement as being one of their success secrets. These are women that when you visit at home, you won't believe it's the same people you know in the office. In their respective homes, equality is a taboo.

Let me copy Damiso's trademark ending words to say, I didn't want to write an epistle o, but somehow, I have ended up writing one. Biko, no vex

babygirlfl:
I am not arguing with you. I believe we are having a discussion.

I asked what you think feminists preach and you said you honestly don't know then write an epistle about what you think they preach. When you talk of feminists thread, how many of them where actually opened be feminists or had feminism in the topic? It is always a case of feminism being dragged into everything.

I would like to start by asking you some questions.

Is it only feminists that insult people on this forum?

Is it only feminists that tarnish people's image in this forum?

Is it only feminists that are intolerant to other women?

Is it only feminists that have insulted Omotola?

All the things you have mentioned are not exclusive to feminists. Some women who say they are not feminists can be very abusive. Some of them dig out posts and use it against you to tarnish your image.Some will support men who call feminists names while some will laugh at feminists. Tell me if these behaviours are from someone who is tolerant. What I am trying to say is that it goes both ways but it seems it only becomes a problem when it's a feminist doing it and not when a non feminists is doing it. Omotola has been attacked by non feminists too. In short in one thread, it was the feminists that was on her side. Chimamanda is always attacked and insulted by non- feminists. The insult Omotola received is nothing close to what Chimamanda gets on a daily basis. You picked Omotola's case but not chimamanda's because you agree with Omotola and not necessarily because she got it worse than Chimamanda.

Many non feminists also can't understand how a feminists can get married and stay married. Some will tell you that you will remain a spinster if you are not married or that you will soon be divorced if married while some will keep doubting that you are married because they can't put their head around the fact that they are many feminists who are married, have stayed married and is happily married. One even keeps saying that there is no happily married feminists.

When did feminism become about free the tip. Feminists where not disowning anybody. They were refusing to be dragged into what has nothing to do with what they stand for.

Nigeria is a country where most people say one thing and do another. Many women will do everything a feminists believes in and still say she is not a feminist. So it is not surprising that most of your great achiever women will not attribute it to feminism. Also a movement cannot be a secret to success and feminists have never claimed to be a secret to success. Rather it fights for the right for you to achieve what you want to even though you are a woman.

After reading your posts, it is clear that feminism is not the problem rather it is the definition and what you believe it to be that is the problem. Why did you decide to leave the meaning of something and judge it by your own definition?

Mikollon1:
I know most of yall lack neither the facts nor the guts to challenge the crux of this thread, and as such resort to b!tch moves in a bid to distract people's focus.

Please this thread is not on some feminism bullsh!t.

By the way, why do people become feminists when they can be egalitarians?

Anyways, please don't answer that question.

Please let's stick to the theme of this thread.

Thank you.

Mikollon1:
I know most of yall lack neither the facts nor the guts to challenge the crux of this thread, and as such resort to b!tch moves in a bid to distract people's focus.

Please this thread is not on some feminism bullsh!t.

By the way, why do people become feminists when they can be egalitarians?

Anyways, please don't answer that question.

Please let's stick to the theme of this thread.

Thank you.

kevinberry:
And once again nairaland official verified imposters,owner of numerous monikers once again come to the rescue to console his/her self merely because of likes....


I hate feminism simply because of their modern day ideologies...you can shout all you want,but we all know that what feminist practice is far from the definition/dictionary meaning....

You cannot say you are fighting for equal right and then only support rights that benefits females... you are fighting for female superiority you are simply saying quotas should be use in every areas of our life to make both genders equal..

babygirlfl:
I am not arguing with you. I believe we are having a discussion.

I asked what you think feminists preach and you said you honestly don't know then write an epistle about what you think they preach. When you talk of feminists thread, how many of them where actually opened be feminists or had feminism in the topic? It is always a case of feminism being dragged into everything.

I would like to start by asking you some questions.

Is it only feminists that insult people on this forum?

Is it only feminists that tarnish people's image in this forum?

Is it only feminists that are intolerant to other women?

Is it only feminists that have insulted Omotola?

All the things you have mentioned are not exclusive to feminists. Some women who say they are not feminists can be very abusive. Some of them dig out posts and use it against you to tarnish your image.Some will support men who call feminists names while some will laugh at feminists. Tell me if these behaviours are from someone who is tolerant. What I am trying to say is that it goes both ways but it seems it only becomes a problem when it's a feminist doing it and not when a non feminists is doing it. Omotola has been attacked by non feminists too. In short in one thread, it was the feminists that was on her side. Chimamanda is always attacked and insulted by non- feminists. The insult Omotola received is nothing close to what Chimamanda gets on a daily basis. You picked Omotola's case but not chimamanda's because you agree with Omotola and not necessarily because she got it worse than Chimamanda.

Many non feminists also can't understand how a feminists can get married and stay married. Some will tell you that you will remain a spinster if you are not married or that you will soon be divorced if married while some will keep doubting that you are married because they can't put their head around the fact that they are many feminists who are married, have stayed married and is happily married. One even keeps saying that there is no happily married feminists.

When did feminism become about free the tip. Feminists where not disowning anybody. They were refusing to be dragged into what has nothing to do with what they stand for.

Nigeria is a country where most people say one thing and do another. Many women will do everything a feminists believes in and still say she is not a feminist. So it is not surprising that most of your great achiever women will not attribute it to feminism. Also a movement cannot be a secret to success and feminists have never claimed to be a secret to success. Rather it fights for the right for you to achieve what you want to even though you are a woman.

After reading your posts, it is clear that feminism is not the problem rather it is the definition and what you believe it to be that is the problem. Why did you decide to leave the meaning of something and judge it by your own definition?

Kimoni:
I see a lot of scattered arguments on feminist threads ending in swearings and curses. Then I see a lot of women who are very intolerant of other women who do not believe in the movement. Omotola once gave an interview declaring that she was not a feminist and how much she revered her husband and home. The abuses, insults, curses, image tarnishing she got on that thread from feminist was very appalling and honestly, I was very disappointed and if I had been having some doubts about the movement, that sealed it. I had to ask myself if the movement was some form of cult.

Since then, I have seen women, mostly singles and a few newly-weds who cannot understand why any woman will not be a feminist because according to them, they have come to liberate women from their controlling husbands. It doesn't matter if you say you are enjoying your marriage or you have spent years making a success of the marriage; to them, you need need the feminist deliverance as long as you believe in submission or headship. Duh

Strangely enough, I get amazed when NL feminist disown people I consider to be true feminists - ie people who want to be free to do anything a man can do. Eg the free the tips. Those are the ones who don't want to cherry pick. If men can bare their chest, they also want to. Isnt hindering them gender discrimination? So why do NL feminist think they have mental issues?

Strangely, I don't even know any feminist in real life, yet I am previledged to know a lot of women achievers offline. The first woman chemical engineer in Nigeria is someone I am previledged to listen and learn from, same with 3 female bank CEOs that I get mentoring from, and countless female executives. I have heard severally from these women, asked them enough questions , not once did I hear about this movement as being one of their success secrets. These are women that when you visit at home, you won't believe it's the same people you know in the office. In their respective homes, equality is a taboo.

Let me copy Damiso's trademark ending words to say, I didn't want to write an epistle o, but somehow, I have ended up writing one. Biko, no vex