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Re: Karma And Curses by gatiano(m): 1:15pm On Aug 26, 2015
With inner peace, creation begins. With Good Character, everything else is added on to us which is good.
FOLYKAZE:
I no get body for punch o. Lol

truth is I dont see riches as a measure for successful life.

Is there an amount I want to make which others have not made or wont make? Even if I gets my hand on my desire, I still feel not fulfilled or empty.

I want inner peace. Not money which will bring more troubles
Re: Karma And Curses by johnydon22(m): 1:22pm On Aug 26, 2015
dalaman:
Human wants are insatiable. But to claim that wealth has nothing to do with success is to deny reality.
I think the fact that you are trying to show here is very clear and obvious bro everyone knows that don't know why they are misrepresenting it and throwing in straw mans...


But to me success means just "To be happy" as long as am happy with myself and what, where i am. .that is success to me.... Being happy
Re: Karma And Curses by dalaman: 1:26pm On Aug 26, 2015
johnydon22:
I think the fact that you are trying to show here is very clear and obvious bro everyone knows that don't know why they are misrepresenting it and throwing in straw mans...


But to me success means just "To be happy" as long as am happy with myself and what, where i am. .that is success to me.... Being happy
Am getting tired of FOLYKAZE and his semantic games. Everything has to be the way he personally defines it.
Re: Karma And Curses by FOLYKAZE(m): 1:30pm On Aug 26, 2015
dalaman:
You are just giving your own definition that has nothing to do with what the OP is all about. Here is the OP



That is what the OP is all about. From wikipedia

Karma (Sanskrit: कर्म; IPA: [ˈkərmə] ( listen); Pali: kamma) means action, work or deed;[1] it also refers to the spiritual principle of cause and effect where intent and actions of an individual (cause) influence the future of that individual (effect).[2] Good intent and good deed contribute to good karma and future happiness, while bad intent and bad deed contribute to bad karma and future suffering.[3][4] Karma is closely associated with the idea of rebirth in some schools of Asian religions.[5] In these schools, karma in the present affects one's future in the current life, as well as the nature and quality of future lives - or, one's saṃsāra.

This is the traditional Karma the OP is talking about. I don't have time satisfying or agreeing with your own opinions that have nothing to do with the topic we are discussing.
Karma which you are bringing in here goes far into existence in the past and the present incarnate. This is quite different from what the OP is saying here.

What I know is that karma is cause and effect. . .action and reaction. . .attack and repel which prints are everywhere in the universe.

That for that.


dalaman:
It seems you don't know what you are saying, may parents kill and harm their kids, so what are you saying about parents cursing their kids to scare them? Who are you to know the intention of all parents? Stop acting a fool please. My friends mum disowned him in my presence and rained curses on him saying he will never amount to anything good in this life, she said he is doomed and will end up in the streets, she even removed her clothes and used her boobies to swear on him in public. she drove him out of her house and they don't speak to each other till today. What the hell are you saying? Many parents curse their kids, some kill and harm their kids, to deny that reality is to be a liar.
Share with us experience between you and your parent and not experience from your friend and his parents.


dalaman:
Your parents are not all parents, they are not a standard for anything, they are just your parents. Many parents kill their kids, so quit talking thrash.
Out of anger, they might kill their children.

Causing one out of anger is scolding.

Your friend mother pray for children in her church, did she go to the church to curse her son if she really mean it?


dalaman:
Many parents in Africa kill their kids. Some cause them harm and disfigure them permanently, other curse their kids with then intention that they never see good in their lives and disown them. These things happen, so quitting talking thrash and using your your self or your family as a standard that does not exist. I read about a guy in Zaria Kaduna state that wanted to kill his son for converting to christianity just yesterday.
When did you read that the father picked up his quran, went to the mosque and cursed his son for converting to christianity? This is not you are not telling us.

dalaman:
Who said success is all about making money? Money is regarded as success to deny that is to deny reality.
Oh you forgot so soon that you said the measure for success is money?
Re: Karma And Curses by FOLYKAZE(m): 1:33pm On Aug 26, 2015
dalaman:
Am getting tired of FOLYKAZE and his semantic games. Everything has to be the way he personally defines it.
Did I say you should see success the way I see it?

Johnny said success to him is happiness while I choose inner peace as my aim. Is it not different?

Stop this hiding in shame tactics
Re: Karma And Curses by FOLYKAZE(m): 1:34pm On Aug 26, 2015
gatiano:
With inner peace, creation begins. With Good Character, everything else is added on to us which is good.
I tire o. I want to achieve Inner Peace. Someone there wants happiness and one daftman thinks I am forcing my opinion on him.
Re: Karma And Curses by FOLYKAZE(m): 1:38pm On Aug 26, 2015
dalaman:
Human wants are insatiable. But to claim that wealth has nothing to do with success is to deny reality.
My parents have money with wish we are satified. But I want to live with a friend who are poor that I have to give them money because I find peace in their house.

I know of priest who are happy but live in a muddy house. He believe success is not money or measure for it.

The media is doing a lot of damages to our psyche and way we think. Live is more than materualisic values
Re: Karma And Curses by FOLYKAZE(m): 1:39pm On Aug 26, 2015
dalaman:
Do you deny that success is partly measured by riches? Is wealth not considered as being successful?
Considered on media and those who dont understand their inner selves.
Re: Karma And Curses by gatiano(m): 1:41pm On Aug 26, 2015
What can you say? aA lot of people prefer to read what other people see or do than to see for themselves or do for self.
FOLYKAZE:
I tire o. I want to achieve Inner Peace. Someone there wants happiness and one daftman thinks I am forcing my opinion on him.
Re: Karma And Curses by FOLYKAZE(m): 1:51pm On Aug 26, 2015
johnydon22:
I think the fact that you are trying to show here is very clear and obvious bro everyone knows that don't know why they are misrepresenting it and throwing in straw mans...


But to me success means just "To be happy" as long as am happy with myself and what, where i am. .that is success to me.... Being happy
This is your personal evaluation. And I pray you achieve that.

One has to think for himself and create a purpose for his life.

I could remember when I had admission, my uncle was happy more than I do. He asked me when we had discussion after checking out the cafe, he said why am I nt rejoicing that some of my colleague fail to secure admission. I told him blankly that securing admission is not a success to me and does not make me happy. I am mostly forced to laugh in different occassions. I dont just feel moved with what some people call success. I have been looking for inner peace for years.

Money does not matter validate how successful one is. That is the point
Re: Karma And Curses by FOLYKAZE(m): 1:52pm On Aug 26, 2015
gatiano:
What can you say? aA lot of people prefer to read what other people see or do than to see for themselves or do for self.
The ultimate rule of life = know thy self.
Re: Karma And Curses by Weah96: 1:57pm On Aug 26, 2015
dalaman:
Japan has one of the highest life expectancy in the world. Russia, Ukraine etc are much more successful than Burundi, Malawi, Chad and Niger. I really don't know what to make of the rest of your commentary.
Japan also has a miniature "SUN" buried under concrete in their backyard that I haven't heard of for over a year now.

You can't just keep an artificial Sun in the backyard without experiencing some long term problems sha.

Radiation from our own sun is filtered by our atmosphere, keeping us alive. They have their all fusion products covered with cement. Can you imagine? That's what Gatiano is talking about.

Don't be surprised if Japan becomes synonymous with three-eyed human beings in the future.
Re: Karma And Curses by Weah96: 1:59pm On Aug 26, 2015
FOLYKAZE:
This is your personal evaluation. And I pray you achieve that.

One has to think for himself and create a purpose for his life.

I could remember when I had admission, my uncle was happy more than I do. He asked me when we had discussion after checking out the cafe, he said why am I nt rejoicing that some of my colleague fail to secure admission. I told him blankly that securing admission is not a success to me and does not make me happy. I am mostly forced to laugh in different occassions. I dont just feel moved with what some people call success. I have been looking for inner peace for years.

Money does not matter validate how successful one is. That is the point
Do you have children?
Re: Karma And Curses by Nobody: 2:03pm On Aug 26, 2015
Karma and curses happens only to the poor. or perhaps some people just like to console themselves with such shítty ideology....

BTW when will all the curses and madam karma visit shekau? What pain can even be equal to what boko haram are doing to humans? Perhaps the people dying from bomb blasts were sucide bombers in their past lives... Rip to the dead..

But karma is just another dumb idea to console the weak among us.
Re: Karma And Curses by FOLYKAZE(m): 2:07pm On Aug 26, 2015
Weah96:
Do you have children?
I have a child. So what is the p?
Re: Karma And Curses by johnydon22(m): 2:30pm On Aug 26, 2015
FOLYKAZE:
This is your personal evaluation. And I pray you achieve that.

One has to think for himself and create a purpose for his life.

I could remember when I had admission, my uncle was happy more than I do. He asked me when we had discussion after checking out the cafe, he said why am I nt rejoicing that some of my colleague fail to secure admission. I told him blankly that securing admission is not a success to me and does not make me happy. I am mostly forced to laugh in different occassions. I dont just feel moved with what some people call success. I have been looking for inner peace for years.

Money does not matter validate how successful one is. That is the point
Happiness and peace walks hand in hand... how can some one be happy if he is not at peace..
I for one care less of what should be but focus more on what is and that has given me a sense of contentment and peace.

some people may see wealth as a source of their happiness and can attain that..

To me happiness is a state of mind and one can only give that to himself..
One can be happy regardless of societal status or wealth accumulated. . . As long as one is happy i would say they are successful because

they have successfully given themselves happiness..
Re: Karma And Curses by Weah96: 2:34pm On Aug 26, 2015
FOLYKAZE:
I have a child. So what is the p?
Most people consider that to be their purpose in life. Or is it only Caucasians who feel that way?

I have a girl on the way and I don't know how I'm going to react. But she will be my new purpose until she's old enough to figure stuff out.
Re: Karma And Curses by Nobody: 2:52pm On Aug 26, 2015
FOLYKAZE:
This is your personal evaluation. And I pray you achieve that.

One has to think for himself and create a purpose for his life.

I could remember when I had admission, my uncle was happy more than I do. He asked me when we had discussion after checking out the cafe, he said why am I nt rejoicing that some of my colleague fail to secure admission. I told him blankly that securing admission is not a success to me and does not make me happy. I am mostly forced to laugh in different occassions. I dont just feel moved with what some people call success. I have been looking for inner peace for years.

Money does not matter validate how successful one is. That is the point
We have the emboldened in common, quite surprising that someone else approaches life this way.
Re: Karma And Curses by FOLYKAZE(m): 2:53pm On Aug 26, 2015
Weah96:
Most people consider that to be their purpose in life. Or is it only Caucasians who feel that way?

I have a girl on the way and I don't know how I'm going to react. But she will be my new purpose until she's old enough to figure stuff out.
Lol.

I remember when my wife was in the labour room, I was enjoying my sleep in my room. She was the one that called my phone and told me she put to bed a baby boy. I was like wow. . .and I returned to sleep. But my boss son case was different. He couldnt sleep, I saw an adult crying,murmuring and shivering because his wife was in the labour room. I could not hold the laugh because perceive he is a kid. People thought I dont have heart of my own or feelings. But all these are wrong. I value lot of things but dont put much value into them.

I am a loner. My parents and wife understand this. My parents understand I dont value gift so they dont present me one. Alot of thing run through my mind which I am always trouble with. What can give me ultimate satisfaction is Inner Peace of mind. I know this, working toward it.

Hey, make that gal princess ok?
Re: Karma And Curses by Nobody: 2:55pm On Aug 26, 2015
FOLYKAZE:
Lol.

I remember when my wife was in the labour room, I was enjoying my sleep in my room. She was the one that called my phone and told me she put to bed a baby boy. I was like wow. . .and I returned to sleep. But my boss son case was different. He couldnt sleep, I saw an adult crying,murmuring and shivering because his wife was in the labour room. I could not hold the laugh because perceive he is a kid. People thought I dont have heart of my own or feelings. But all these are wrong. I value lot of things but dont put much value into them.

I am a loner. My parents and wife understand this. My parents understand I dont value gift so they dont present me one. Alot of thing run through my mind which I am always trouble with. What can give me ultimate satisfaction is Inner Peace of mind. I know this, working toward it.

Hey, make that gal princess ok?
At the emboldened shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked

I have always thought I was alone o!
Re: Karma And Curses by FOLYKAZE(m): 2:55pm On Aug 26, 2015
johnydon22:
Happiness and peace walks hand in hand... how can some one be happy if he is not at peace..
I for one care less of what should be but focus more on what is and that has given me a sense of contentment and peace.

some people may see wealth as a source of their happiness and can attain that..

To me happiness is a state of mind and one can only give that to himself..
One can be happy regardless of societal status or wealth accumulated. . . As long as one is happy i would say they are successful because

they have successfully given themselves happiness..
I agree with you.

What I dont agree is material wealth been the measure for successful life.

Happiness can bring riches but I have not seen money buying one happiness.

Karma and curse is the topic
Re: Karma And Curses by FOLYKAZE(m): 3:13pm On Aug 26, 2015
9jacrip:
At the emboldened shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked

I have always thought I was alone o!
You are not alone bro.

What is your view Karma and Curse?

Traditionally, we believe in Ashehinwaye and Epe. We believe too that Epe ki n ja nijo won se. How do you view this things?
Re: Karma And Curses by gatiano(m): 3:33pm On Aug 26, 2015
Congratulation Brother, A God is coming through You. Try hard to make That God land on your hand on Her first entering. Tell the doctors you don't want bright sudden light. After that let God feel the heartbeat of The God who brought Her. She would never be deceived in her life as to who Creator is or not.
Tell or teach God the truth as you are 100% sure off. Make her love mathematics not through threat or enforcement, but through love. Do not indoctrinate her with your believe but teach God good morals and character.
She is not your purpose, You were to bring God into this earth. She has her own purpose which is why She choose the most perfect Parent to serve and carry out that Purpose.

Purpose precedes life. There is nothing we can think of or do without a purpose. Congratulations Brother.

Weah96:
Most people consider that to be their purpose in life. Or is it only Caucasians who feel that way?

I have a girl on the way and I don't know how I'm going to react. But she will be my new purpose until she's old enough to figure stuff out.
Re: Karma And Curses by gatiano(m): 3:52pm On Aug 26, 2015
Somebody is seeing one match (european league) after the other, seeing movies, series. having romantic time with the opposite sex and they think this equates to happiness.
100% of everybody in the world today are not happy. Nobody is happy, everybody is disatisfied up to their 100%, that we are so numb. we don't know what happiness feels like, we don't know what peace is?

If those two suddenly enters this world, we will all die from its force. I know what peace is, Happiness not really but I'm cool.
Re: Karma And Curses by Weah96: 4:21pm On Aug 26, 2015
FOLYKAZE:
Lol.

I remember when my wife was in the labour room, I was enjoying my sleep in my room. She was the one that called my phone and told me she put to bed a baby boy. I was like wow. . .and I returned to sleep. But my boss son case was different. He couldnt sleep, I saw an adult crying,murmuring and shivering because his wife was in the labour room. I could not hold the laugh because perceive he is a kid. People thought I dont have heart of my own or feelings. But all these are wrong. I value lot of things but dont put much value into them.

I am a loner. My parents and wife understand this. My parents understand I dont value gift so they dont present me one. Alot of thing run through my mind which I am always trouble with. What can give me ultimate satisfaction is Inner Peace of mind. I know this, working toward it.

Hey, make that gal princess ok?
Thanks man. Hope you find that inner peace. Try asking yourself for it though, see how it works out. Here's a clue, perhaps even a foolish one. I won't mind if you burst into laughter. I can't even believe that I'm about to disclose this:

I know that you've had dreams in which you were the man to beat. Not regular dreams of earth and visible people, but those ones in which you were in a strange world and possessed supernatural powers to do literally anything with your mind. In my own dreams, I'm pretty sure that I've exceeded the speed of light on occasions trying to get away from danger or harm. I only have to think it, and before you know it, I'm airborne with my adversaries in close pursuit. They never chase me for too long though, because I always account for their top speed and factor that into how fast I intended to move.

I say that to say this, try asking that guy for assistance. While you observe this reality and stress yourself out, he is IN charge of observing things every time you're dead/asleep. After all, he occupies your body too and has a stake in your wellbeing. Don't expect miraculous solutions though. Just tell him what you want and he'll find a naturalistic way to materialize it. It's all in the mind.

If there is ever a life after death, or a judgment after death, he's the one who will serve as your judge. Btw, you guys don't go by the same name. His name is unknown.
Re: Karma And Curses by FOLYKAZE(m): 4:40pm On Aug 26, 2015
Weah96:
Thanks man. Hope you find that inner peace. Try asking yourself for it though, see how it works out. Here's a clue, perhaps even a foolish one. I won't mind if you burst into laughter. I can't even believe that I'm about to disclose this:

I know that you've had dreams in which you were the man to beat. Not regular dreams of earth and visible people, but those ones in which you were in a strange world and possessed supernatural powers to do literally anything with your mind. In my own dreams, I'm pretty sure that I've exceeded the speed of light on occasions trying to get away from danger or harm. I only have to think it, and before you know it, I'm airborne with my adversaries in close pursuit. They never chase me for too long though, because I always account for their top speed and factor that into how fast I intended to move.

I say that to say this, try asking that guy for assistance. While you observe this reality and stress yourself out, he is IN charge of observing things every time you're dead/asleep. After all, he occupies your body too and has a stake in your wellbeing. Don't expect miraculous solutions though. Just tell him what you want and he'll find a naturalistic way to materialize it. It's all in the mind.

If there is ever a life after death, or a judgment after death, he's the one who will serve as your judge. Btw, you guys don't go by the same name. His name is unknown.
Lol

Why go into this stress when a Babalawo wont waste time telling you about your Ori?

In yourba, that thing is Ori. . . .the creator of one reality. It is a deity and can be communicated with.

I visit Babalawo everytime I am chanced but I dont know why the question wont come up.
Re: Karma And Curses by FOLYKAZE(m): 4:44pm On Aug 26, 2015
gatiano:
Somebody is seeing one match (european league) after the other, seeing movies, series. having romantic time with the opposite sex and they think this equates to happiness.
100% of everybody in the world today are not happy. Nobody is happy, everybody is disatisfied up to their 100%, that we are so numb. we don't know what happiness feels like, we don't know what peace is?

If those two suddenly enters this world, we will all die from its force. I know what peace is, Happiness not really but I'm cool.
Johnnydon. . . .I hope you are reading this?
Re: Karma And Curses by Weah96: 4:54pm On Aug 26, 2015
FOLYKAZE:
Lol

Why go into this stress when a Babalawo wont waste time telling you about your Ori?

In yourba, that thing is Ori. . . .the creator of one reality. It is a deity and can be communicated with.

I visit Babalawo everytime I am chanced but I dont know why the question wont come up.
Babalawos can be ego driven. They're only good for pointing out the proper entheogens and dosage so that one can access these things for HIMSELF. Middlemen should be avoided as best as possible. Avoid the ones that have a personality cult attached to him.
Re: Karma And Curses by FOLYKAZE(m): 4:59pm On Aug 26, 2015
Weah96:
Babalawos can be ego driven. They're only good for pointing out the proper entheogens and dosage so that one can access these things for HIMSELF. Middlemen should be avoided as best as possible. Avoid the ones that have a personality cult attached to him.
The embolden is truth.

Everything you put up I agree with.

Dont you think you are been driven into spiritualism with topics like Psyche, Consciousness and Inner self
Re: Karma And Curses by gatiano(m): 5:21pm On Aug 26, 2015
xaxaxa, Some Babas can be very funny? I do not think that they have ego after they have been properly initiated. Ego is the first thing that they must dispose. They are initiated into knowledge of deep secrets depending on their level. Secrets trillion times deeper than 33rd degree mason would know. They would just sometimes will test us, and that test can take 3 years.

People like david iyke, helen blavatsky, zacharia sitchin, where do you think they get all those stories? Baba would tell them what they want to hear, yet a lot of truth would be hidden within it which david or helen or zachariah and the rest would never understand until they give off ego totally.
Re: Karma And Curses by Nobody: 5:43pm On Aug 26, 2015
FOLYKAZE:
You are not alone bro.

What is your view Karma and Curse?

Traditionally, we believe in Ashehinwaye and Epe. We believe too that Epe ki n ja nijo won se. How do you view this things?
It is quite refreshing to finally discover I am not.

Karma as well as Curses are both part of or work under natural law. Hence, to an extent, they are real.

As you said in your first post, epe can be devised through Yoruba science to work but I would also want to take it further that Karma can be devised as well.

Any person (male or female) that gets initiated into the order of iyami (iba o) but perpetrates evil do not usually end up well - this is karma.

Asides that, let me share a good example. A woman married a family's only son who was blessed to grow financially and materially so quick in life. In order to keep this goodies to herself and her family, she was alleged to have killed the guy's mother and turned the man away from his siblings. Upon making babies, they in turn gave birth to 3 girls 1 boy; the boy has grown and is a big man in one of the Nigerian banks but married a woman towing the same path of greed. The woman saw the hand writing on the wall and has left the shores of home, keeping her distance. This is Karma.

Curses are most potent or effective when pronounced at the peak of anger/hurt. And there are times one would not have to pronounce curses for someone to be cursed.
Re: Karma And Curses by gatiano(m): 6:00pm On Aug 26, 2015
Karma is a bastard, It does not look face but it is so smart that it recognises DNA.
That is why my Mother always tells me the truth of Herself, Her Sisters and Brothers, Her Parents and GrandParents and as far as She can remember. So that when I see a particular attitude within me, or my children or my nephews and niece. I can easily say stop that karma before it hits.
9jacrip:
It is quite refreshing to finally discover I am not.

Karma as well as Curses are both part of or work under natural law. Hence, to an extent, they are real.

As you said in your first post, epe can be devised through Yoruba science to work but I would also want to take it further that Karma can be devised as well.

Any person (male or female) that gets initiated into the order of iyami (iba o) but perpetrates evil do not usually end up well - this is karma.

Asides that, let me share a good example. A woman married a family's only son who was blessed to grow financially and materially so quick in life. In order to keep this goodies to herself and her family, she was alleged to have killed the guy's mother and turned the man away from his siblings. Upon making babies, they in turn gave birth to 3 girls 1 boy; the boy has grown and is a big man in one of the Nigerian banks but married a woman towing the same path of greed. The woman saw the hand writing on the wall and has left the shores of home, keeping her distance. This is Karma.

Curses are most potent or effective when pronounced at the peak of anger/hurt. And there are times one would not have to pronounce curses for someone to be cursed.
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