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gatiano:
Karma is a bastard, It does not look face but it is so smart that it recognises DNA.
That is why my Mother always tells me the truth of Herself, Her Sisters and Brothers, Her Parents and GrandParents and as far as She can remember. So that when I see a particular attitude within me, or my children or my nephews and niece. I can easily say stop that karma before it hits.

Correct.

I think my Mother tows the same path of sharing so much details when we show some type of behaviour which she links to some relative and well, we put the 1 and two together.

Many families have very strong generational Karma cycle and instead of nipping it, they compete with church or mosque fans over who stays in church the most looking for a miraculous 'deliverance'.

9jacrip:
It is quite refreshing to finally discover I am not.

Karma as well as Curses are both part of or work under natural law. Hence, to an extent, they are real.

As you said in your first post, epe can be devised through Yoruba science to work but I would also want to take it further that Karma can be devised as well.

Any person (male or female) that gets initiated into the order of iyami (iba o) but perpetrates evil do not usually end up well - this is karma.

Asides that, let me share a good example. A woman married a family's only son who was blessed to grow financially and materially so quick in life. In order to keep this goodies to herself and her family, she was alleged to have killed the guy's mother and turned the man away from his siblings. Upon making babies, they in turn gave birth to 3 girls 1 boy; the boy has grown and is a big man in one of the Nigerian banks but married a woman towing the same path of greed. The woman saw the hand writing on the wall and has left the shores of home, keeping her distance. This is Karma.

Curses are most potent or effective when pronounced at the peak of anger/hurt. And there are times one would not have to pronounce curses for someone to be cursed.

Karma prints is everywhere in Nature. This cannot be denied.

Epe can be made effective with Afose, Olugboun and the likes. This is what I will say its beyond me when it comes to understanding how this things work. On the contrary, I have not for once seen someone cursed to like ordered to run mad and immediately the person starts tearing his/her clothes. I think this only happen in movies. But I will always agrree that spoken words are very powerful.

As par the bold, do you implies that karma can be averted? I thought asesile ni abowaba, oun ti agbin ni a maka na.

9jacrip:
Correct.

I think my Mother tows the same path of sharing so much details when we show some type of behaviour which she links to some relative and well, we put the 1 and two together.

Many families have very strong generational Karma cycle and instead of nipping it, they compete with church or mosque fans over who stays in church the most looking for a miraculous 'deliverance'.

Ogun idile.

Evidence of this is everywhere

FOLYKAZE:
The embolden is truth.

Everything you put up I agree with.

Dont you think you are been driven into spiritualism with topics like Psyche, Consciousness and Inner self

No. I'm simply performing investigations that my beloved science has been driven to ignore by their very stance on materialism.

Scientific institutions have agreed, a priori, that the materialist world is all there is. Every single experiment proceeds from that frame of reference. How is that position even remotely scientific on any level? Science must at least entertain the idea that there are parallel universes and be WILLING to scrutinize those claims using the scientific method. They have the money, and the brains, to design experiments that could test these claims using the ordinary scientific method. I'm not talking about the random n)igga with diabetes who gets healed at SCOAN, or the healthy dude in the wheelchair who starts to walk on Immanuel Tv. I'm talking about the possibility of humans establishing contact with a parallel universe.

The problem is, entheogens have ALREADY been classified as controlled substances/narcotics/hallucinogens. No one dares to enter that realm publicly, even notable skeptics like James Randi from the Randi foundation has refused to have any participant ingest entheogens during an experiment because they are controlled substances/narcotics. He won't even try them himself.

Religion is dogmatism personified. Science, prompted by monetary interests, is closely following suit. It is driven by money now. I'll leave you with a Dawkins quote for good measure:

"There does seem to be a sense in which physics has gone beyond what human intuition can understand. We shouldn't be too surprised about that because we're evolved to understand things that move at a medium pace at a medium scale. We can't cope with the very tiny scale of quantum physics or the very large scale of relativity."

Richard Dawkins

Why shouldn't we be surprised at new discoveries? Btw, he won't mess with the mushrooms either.

To those that are think money and scientific development is happiness.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fnJJmI3t40

If this is riches, then it is ugly.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtDJ8Tges6g

FOLYKAZE:
Did I say you should see success the way I see it?

Johnny said success to him is happiness while I choose inner peace as my aim. Is it not different?

Stop this hiding in shame tactics

I am not referring to the issue of success but to the OP and what he was talking about. He was talking about the traditional definition of Karma which you tried to change as usual by giving it your own meaning.

FOLYKAZE:
Karma which you are bringing in here goes far into existence in the past and the present incarnate. This is quite different from what the OP is saying here.

What I know is that karma is cause and effect. . .action and reaction. . .attack and repel which prints are everywhere in the universe.

That for that.

You are just incorrigible. I gave you a direct quote from the OP and you are still talking thrash as usual.

Here it is once again.

theunusualmoon:
When you hear people say life is a b**ch,at times,they are unwittingly referring to Karma.
Karma is simply the idea that one reaps what one sows.If you betray a friend who has been honest with you for sometime,you"ll most certainly be stabbed in the back by someone you trust sooner or later in a more painful fashion.
So the big question is: What force ensures Karma lives up to its responsibilities?

There it is in black and white, quite lying please. The OP has defined what Karma is and went ahead to give examples of what he is saying. I do not have time for your opinion that has nothing to do with the topic the OP is discussing.

Share with us experience between you and your parent and not experience from your friend and his parents.

Very lame, many parents disown their kids, curse them and kill them. To deny that reality is to not know what you are saying.

Out of anger, they might kill their children.

Causing one out of anger is scolding.

Will you quit this foolishness of yours, who are you to tell me the definition of cursing? Are you in every parents mind to know that when they curse their kids they are scolding them? Quit this foolishness please, it so lame.

Your friend mother pray for children in her church, did she go to the church to curse her son if she really mean it?

Where is it written that parents are to go to church to curse their kids?

When did you read that the father picked up his quran, went to the mosque and cursed his son for converting to christianity? This is not you are not telling us.

Another lame attempt, I said I read that a father in Zaria Kaduna state attacked his son and trued to kill him because his son converted to Christianity, what has that got to do with the nonsense you are writing?

Oh you forgot so soon that you said the measure for success is money?

This is what I said.

dalaman:
Success is measured by riches together with other things. To claim that success is not measured by riches is to deny reality. Why are the richest nations considered to be the most successful nations? Why are nations like Malawi, Chad, Niger and Burma not considered as successful nations?

Quit trying to say what I didn't say. I never said that money alone is the measure of success but money is also used to measure success.

dalaman:
You are just incorrigible. I gave you a direct quote from the OP and you are still talking thrash as usual.

Here it is once again.



There it is in black and white, quite lying please. The OP has defined what Karma is and went ahead to give examples of what he is saying. I do not have time for your opinion that has nothing to do with the topic the OP is discussing.



Very lame, many parents disown their kids, curse them and kill them. To deny that reality is to not know what you are saying.




Will you quit this foolishness of yours, who are you to tell me the definition of cursing? Are you in every parents mind to know that when they curse their kids they are scolding them? Quit this foolishness please, it so lame.



Where is it written that parents are to go to church to curse their kids?




Another lame attempt, I said I read that a father in Zaria Kaduna state attacked his son and trued to kill him because his son converted to Christianity, what has that got to do with the nonsense you are writing?




This is what I said.




Quit trying to say what I didn't say. I never said that money alone is the measure of success but money is also used to measure success.

I am tired of this bullcrap.

You win. . . .

FOLYKAZE:
Ogun idile.

Evidence of this is everywhere

Yes, a karma cycle that will go on and on till someone is observant enough not to get caught into it and possibly break the cycle.

FOLYKAZE:
Karma prints is everywhere in Nature. This cannot be denied.

Epe can be made effective with Afose, Olugboun and the likes. This is what I will say its beyond me when it comes to understanding how this things work. On the contrary, I have not for once seen someone cursed to like ordered to run mad and immediately the person starts tearing his/her clothes. I think this only happen in movies. But I will always agrree that spoken words are very powerful.

As par the bold, do you implies that karma can be averted? I thought asesile ni abowaba, oun ti agbin ni a maka na.

The emboldened is real.
You're aware some people could get hit by a ring and they could start eating sand, chewing grass, running non stop, pooping themselves, drooling like an imbec!le on the spot at the minute of contact?

Likewise, there's an ase so powerful that it picks up instantly. For example, the type of ase isoro chiefs hold durinf festivals in Ife are so potent that people around them are advised not to curse at all.

Yes, Karma can be averted if a person corrects the wrong deed through a rewind process of whatevever they did or spiritually through etutu, ebo riru, ebe awon agba etc although, I do not think all karma can be averted.

9jacrip:
The emboldened is real.
You're aware some people could get hit by a ring and they could start eating sand, chewing grass, running non stop, pooping themselves, drooling like an imbec!le on the spot at the minute of contact?

Likewise, there's an ase so powerful that it picks up instantly. For example, the type of ase isoro chiefs hold durinf festivals in Ife are so potent that people around them are advised not to curse at all.

Yes, Karma can be averted if a person corrects the wrong deed through a rewind process of whatevever they did or spiritually through etutu, ebo riru, ebe awon agba etc although, I do not think all karma can be averted.

theunusualmoon, I hope you are reading this?

@ the bold, did you experience it firsthand abi you hear say dem say abi na Fadeyi Oloro you saw performing it in movie?

I have experienced Ogun firsthand on several occassions, I am not just convinced that what they are doing is not tricks.

FOLYKAZE:
theunusualmoon, I hope you are reading this?

@ the bold, did you experience it firsthand abi you hear say dem say abi na Fadeyi Oloro you saw performing it in movie?

I have experienced Ogun firsthand on several occassions, I am not just convinced that what they are doing is not tricks.

Experienced.
I come from a place where oogun is like nokia torchlight, even kids youmger than 15 can do one or two things.

9jacrip:
The emboldened is real.
You're aware some people could get hit by a ring and they could start eating sand, chewing grass, running non stop, pooping themselves, drooling like an imbec!le on the spot at the minute of contact?

Likewise, there's an ase so powerful that it picks up instantly. For example, the type of ase isoro chiefs hold durinf festivals in Ife are so potent that people around them are advised not to curse at all.

Yes, Karma can be averted if a person corrects the wrong deed through a rewind process of whatevever they did or spiritually through etutu, ebo riru, ebe awon agba etc although, I do not think all karma can be averted.

They've come again. Please can you give your ogun or what ever to the people living in the north to use against boko haram?

9jacrip:
Experienced.
I come from a place where oogun is like nokia torchlight, even kids youmger than 15 can do one or two things.

wow.

You live in the hood where ewe ti n je fun ogun and not for vegetable.

All those things you listed up there can easily be flagged down as staged and tricks by skeptics. I am working to get Ogun covered on video which will convince lots that Ikanbe

dalaman:
They've come again. Please can you give your ogun or what ever to the people living in the north to use against boko haram?

Lol

I dont have a friend who is in NA. But those ones in NPF get Oogun . Those guys in black fight spiritual warfare on the physical plain. You might choose not to believe that.

FOLYKAZE:
wow.

You live in the hood where ewe ti n je fun ogun and not for vegetable.

All those things you listed up there can easily be flagged down as staged and tricks by skeptics. I am working to get Ogun covered on video which will convince lots that Ikanbe

Not where I live, I meant my family compound. It is often regarded as one of the core places of oogun origins in Ife (not sure how true) but oogun is like the air they breathe in that place. LOL.

I hope it gets tried on the skeptics so they can have a first hand experience and shut up.

dalaman:
They've come again. Please can you give your ogun or what ever to the people living in the north to use against boko haram?

Oogun is everywhere in Africa. It now depends on how deeply the society has absorbed foreign religion to have abandoned their cultural sciences and arts of oogun.

You'd be surprised lots of soldiers have oogun especially the Yoruba ones.

9jacrip:
Not where I live, I meant my family compound. It is often regarded as one of the core places of oogun origins in Ife (not sure how true) but oogun is like the air they breathe in that place. LOL.

I hope it gets tried on the skeptics so they can have a first hand experience and shut up.

No one is ready to voluntare. Not even wiegraf and johnnydon22. Na so so mouth we get here.

Dalaman sits in faraway country and wants to confirm oogun. He is unserious type. I have engage lot of skeptics since 2009 but no one is ready for the show.

If I can pin point an Oogun that cannot be flag down as trick, I will make a video and upload here.

FOLYKAZE:
No one is ready to voluntare. Not even wiegraf and johnnydon22. Na so so mouth we get here.

Dalaman sits in faraway country and wants to confirm oogun. He is unserious type. I have engage lot of skeptics since 2009 but no one is ready for the show.

If I can pin point an Oogun that cannot be flag down as trick, I will make a video and upload here.

2009 is a long time o and none of them don ever turn up. It goes to show a part of them believe it is real or they are scared.

I hope they do not find themselves in a position where they would become victims.

I'd be looking forward to the video, want to tell me what the oogun is? If not, I'll understand.

9jacrip:
2009 is a long time o and none of them don ever turn up. It goes to show a part of them believe it is real or they are scared.

I hope they do not find themselves in a position where they would become victims.

I'd be looking forward to the video, want to tell me what the oogun is? If not, I'll understand.

Mazaje promised he will come up for it in 2009, na on top that tory we dey till now.

There is a guy called Logicboy, he was the knight of atheism here as he claimed. He openly disclosed that he was scared for fits like this.

The rest be Ajekara wey be say na only mouth dem get.

How can one define Oogun with English words? Errrrm, it is a spiritual device used for manipulation and bending of natural law, time and space. I see though as a practical physics which is beyond or not explainable with scientific laws

FOLYKAZE:
Mazaje promised he will come up for it in 2009, na on top that tory we dey till now.

There is a guy called Logicboy, he was the knight of atheism here as he claimed. He openly disclosed that he was scared for fits like this.

The rest be Ajekara wey be say na only mouth dem get.

How can one define Oogun with English words? Errrrm, it is a spiritual device used for manipulation and bending of natural law, time and space. I see though as a practical physics which is beyond or not explainable with scientific laws

Lol! Mehn e funny o

Your definition is brilliant sir but I meant what oogun you wanted to experiment with is. Is it ayeta, agbelepota, madaarikan?

'Spiritual device' for 'bending natural laws, time and space'. This captures oogun description properly. Apart from bend, can we add activate dormant or latent natural laws?

9jacrip:
Oogun is everywhere in Africa. It now depends on how deeply the society has absorbed foreign religion to have abandoned their cultural sciences and arts of oogun.

You'd be surprised lots of soldiers have oogun especially the Yoruba ones.

If its true that some of the yoruba soldiers have it then why don't we see them use it on boko haram and drive them out to eat grass?

dalaman:
If its true that some of the yoruba soldiers have it then why don't we see them use it on boko haram and drive them out to eat grass?

So if you had oogun on you and you saw boko haram members with heavy attilery firing at you, you would walk towards them to hit them with a ring or bante? Really? When the bullet protection or evading oogun itself is for flight purposes?

Search youtube, you'd see NA guys with oogun on them at battle front.

FOLYKAZE:
No one is ready to voluntare. Not even wiegraf and johnnydon22. Na so so mouth we get here.

Dalaman sits in faraway country and wants to confirm oogun. He is unserious type. I have engage lot of skeptics since 2009 but no one is ready for the show.

If I can pin point an Oogun that cannot be flag down as trick, I will make a video and upload here.

Will you keep quite. I gave you a very simple task to perform the other time and you ran away together with your man ghostofsparta. Yet you have the audacity to mention my name in your baseless talk. I gave you a very clear task to perform which you try to water it down, you claimed you needed permission from the other guy, the guy came, refused to take the very clear cut challenge and opted for something else, i accepted and he ran away. You guys aren't serious, I don't need to come to Nigeria, I can give you very clear cut challenge that others do, if your juju or African science is real then we can test it with very simple task. If I set up another challenge , you will still run away. Yet you wonder why no body takes you seriously.

9jacrip:
So if you had oogun on you and you saw boko haram members with heavy attilery firing at you, you would walk towards them to hit them with a ring or bante? Really? When the bullet protection or evading oogun itself is for flight purposes?

Search youtube, you'd see NA guys with oogun on them at battle front.

Having ogun is very different from it working as claimed, even the boko haram members that were gunned down mostly have charms and amulets tied round their waist and other parts of their bodies which they believe will protect them against the bullets of the Nigerian army but it failed them. Their pictures are all over the internet.

9jacrip:
Lol! Mehn e funny o

Your definition is brilliant sir but I meant what oogun you wanted to experiment with is. Is it ayeta, agbelepota, madaarikan?

'Spiritual device' for 'bending natural laws, time and space'. This captures oogun description properly. Apart from bend, can we add activate dormant or latent natural laws?

I choosed Ayeta back then. The agreement was that bullet will not penetrate into the skin. Na mazaje we dey look for till date wey we no see.

I am think Okigbe will do it. Lesser cost, very easy to get and I can use cutlass unlike gun which put law against us. Skeptics here are manipulative. They interpreted Osanyin as a ventroliquize machine. So I think Okigbe will clear doubts

Activating a natural law without following natural process but backdoor is bending. Example is Kanako which can make distance of 10KM walked on foot within 5min. This Oogun bends time and space and every natural laws by jumping off natural processess.

dalaman:
Having ogun is very different from it working as claimed, even the boko haram members that were gunned down mostly have charms and amulets tied round their waist and other parts of their bodies which they believe will protect them against the bullets of the Nigerian army but it failed them. There pictures are all over the internet.

The efficacy of Arab/Islam charms and amulets is what I cannot say.

For Yoruba who has original ones, the use and application of charm works with natural law.
You cannot have ayeta and stand in the front of a shotgun at very close range, chest a thrown hand grenade or a missile.
Even if you stood in front of a guns not in the ranges of those there's a limit to how many times you can get hit - you're supposed to take flight upon the first or max second hit, not stay. Likewise okigbe when it comes to being stabbed with bottles or metals.

9jacrip:
The efficacy of Arab/Islam charms and amulets is what I cannot say.

For Yoruba who has original ones, the use and application of charm works with natural law.
You cannot have ayeta and stand in the front of a shotgun at very close range, chest a thrown hand grenade or a missile.
Even if you stood in front of a guns not in the ranges of those there's a limit to how many times you can get hit - you're supposed to take flight upon the first or max second hit, not stay. Likewise okigbe when it comes to being stabbed with bottles or metals.

If the ayeta is like a protective amour that covers the body and is made up of very strong material then I believe it can work, but if the ayeta is just something you tie around your arm, waist, leg or any body part and expect it to stop a bullet from hitting your chest or head then, I doubt the truth behind the claim.I will only believe it when I see it in action because it is an extra ordinary claim. It involves suspending the laws of nature which doesn't happen in reality. The boko haram people also make the same claim about their charms and amulets, they truly believe it will save them from the bullets of the Nigerian army but it continues to fail them always. Now that the Nigerian army is better armed, better determined and motivated they have taken the fight to boko harm and are killing them like flies. Shekau and his people brag about possessing anti bullet powers that will help them defeat the Nigerian army. Most of these things are just empty claims. The Niaja delta militants used to claim they also have bullet proof odeshi, until the Nigeria army went in a cleared odi village during OBJ's term as president, the militants all ran away.

dalaman:
Will you keep quite. I gave you a very simple task to perform the other time and you ran away together with your man ghostofsparta. Yet you have the audacity to mention my name in your baseless talk. I gave you a very clear task to perform which you try to water it down, you claimed you needed permission from the other guy, the guy came, refused to take the very clear cut challenge and opted for something else, i accepted and he ran away. You guys aren't serious, I don't need to come to Nigeria, I can give you very clear cut challenge that others do, if your juju or African science is real then we can test it with very simple task. If I set up another challenge , you will still run away. Yet you wonder why no body takes you seriously.

You challenged me and I accepted ba? Stop lying na.

Ghostofsparta created Oogun discussion on this said thread. He raised a challenge before I came in which to me appears like I am taking up his challenge. To this, I asked for his permission and his reply was something like he doesnt want me to pick the challenge on his behalf. The last time we discussed this and promised to reach him, his number is not going through, he is on whatsapp now for the past 3months. Na where you won make I look for him go again?

Oga, you cant sit your ass abroad and expect me to prove something down home. You will need to experience things first-hand. Who are those that aint taking me serious? I have taken more than dozen of skeptics here for Ifa consultaion. I wont mention their names here though. They dont sit their asss in abroad or home and ask me to consult baba on their behalf. If you need to experience it, come back to the root and see for yourself

FOLYKAZE:
You challenged me and I accepted ba? Stop lying na.

I am not lying, the thread is still there. You accepted the challenge but you tried to water it down. You said the man will only predict the winner of the presidential elections before you threw the challenge to the other guy.

Ghostofsparta created Oogun discussion on this said thread. He raised a challenge before I came in which to me appears like I am taking up his challenge. To this, I asked for his permission and his reply was something like he doesnt want me to pick the challenge on his behalf. The last time we discussed this and promised to reach him, his number is not going through, he is on whatsapp now for the past 3months. Na where you won make I look for him go again?

Oga, you cant sit your ass abroad and expect me to prove something down home. You will need to experience things first-hand. Who are those that aint taking me serious? I have taken more than dozen of skeptics here for Ifa consultaion. I wont mention their names here though. They dont sit their asss in abroad or home and ask me to consult baba on their behalf. If you need to experience it, come back to the root and see for yourself

Ghostofsparta is not a serious person, he is a liar for all I care. I don't have to come back anywhere, I can set up a very clear cut challenge like the previous one that doesn't require me coming down to Nigeria. Tell me what kind of consultation your Ifa does and I will set up a very clear cut challenge and hand it over to you, a challenge that the outcome can not be disputed.

dalaman:
If the ayeta is like a protective amour that covers the body and is made up of very strong material then I believe it can work, but it the ayeta is just something you tie around your arm, waist, leg or any body part and expect it to stop a bullet from heating your chest or head then, I doubt the truth behind the claim.I will only believe it when I see it in action because it is an extra ordinary claim. It involves suspending the laws of nature which doesn't happen in reality. The boko haram people also make the same claim about their charms and amulets, they truly believe it will save them from the bullets of the Nigerian army but it continues to fail them always. Now that the Nigerian army is well better armed, better determined and motivated they have taken the fight to boko harm and are killing them like fliee. Shekau and his people brag about possessing anti bullet powers that will help them defeat the Nigerian army. Most of these things are just empty claims. The Niaja delta militans used to claim they also have bullet proof odeshi, until the Nigeria army went in a cleared odi village during OBJ term as president, the militants all ran away.

As I said; efficacy level is different.

Also, there is a limit to it as it suspende natural law which has to get back to course.

There was a time some boys in UniBen engaged the Nigerian Police and Mopol in a shoot out and no of them got scathed - they had live tortoise tied around their neck and dangling down their chest.

My uncle (RIP) was caught unawares during the Modakeke wars and was hit in the head. The spot hurt when pressed but the bullet did not pierce through - he complainer of intermitent headache on that side of his head. If he had been shot one more time at that moment, it would have gotten through.

Ayeta like every other oogun works with logic. You cannot lick something or use mayeun for someone you have never had acquaintance with to the level of finances and you ask them for moneysnd expect them to give you. You should have gotten to that point where the person is comfy enough, the oogun will only make the person not think it through till after they have answered you.

Likewise amudo, you can't just walk up to Zara and expect it to work if y'all didn't have prior acquaintance.

If you doubt, make yourself available to be shot at with the ayeta on you.

dalaman:
I am not lying, the thread is still there. You accepted the challenge but you tried to water it down. You said the man will only predict the winner of the presidential elections before you threw the challenge to the other guy.



Ghostofsparta is not a serious person, he is a liar for all I care. I don't have to come back anywhere, I can set up a very clear cut challenge like the previous one that doesn't require me coming down to Nigeria. Tell me what kind of consultation your Ifa does and I will set up a very clear cut challenge and hand it over to you, a challenge that the outcome can not be disputed.

lol

Do you have any problem you want to see into? Pls I WANT A SERIOUS LIFE MATTER and not a cooked up story.

Let me have your real name, maiden name and little details about yourself. Details should surround the problem and how you came into it or how you rope into it.

I am not involved in consultation on behalf of people but I will do that now because of you.

Deal?