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Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by HerexG(m): 8:22pm On Sep 01, 2015

okitikpo:
and you think or believe it is the best right?

I'm not saying its the best but at least it would free our minds from all colonialism bondages and helps us believe more in the true African spirit

Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by Jeromejnr(m): 8:23pm On Sep 01, 2015

HerexG:
So you saw the angel physically ? you could have taken a selfie with the Angel so the world will know how powerful and truthful your western god is.

Let's face facts this religion is to curtail and tame the human mind

In your opinion based on assumptions as a result of lack of experiencing the supernatural. Not facts.

Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by HerexG(m): 8:31pm On Sep 01, 2015

okitikpo:
you told someone that he knows nothing about religion and I also believe that it is also applicable to you. But truth is that I rather still follow the religion of ancient history than that created by modern men. We know how modern men have derailed the world. The Bible that both of us read and believe in was never created nor written in modern days. What I know is that modernity has tried to change the religion of old and which we know it is not supposed to be so, cos God does not change neither is religion supposed to be changed to suit our ways of life. There are things that we should rather leave they way they are rather than trying to modify them with our now and more sinful ways; and one of those things is religion

Little did you know that Africanism is way much older than that slavery religion, also little did you know that Christianity is an adulterated version of Judaism. The western world hijack the Jews religion and start replacing some of the Jewish characters with theirs e.g Joshua/Yehushua into Jesus formed from the Greek god Zues

Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by Nobody: 8:32pm On Sep 01, 2015

morbeta:
Catholic with their there dogmatic ways, my bible says only jesus forgives sins and the only way to life everlasting. How come catholic priest are the ones to forgive sin even the ones with are part of. Na nwa oooooo

What bible are you referring to? Is it the one given to you by the catholic church that you so badly detest, or, the one written by your "six month trained pastor" who do not mind inviting Saheed Osupa for a performance in a supposed church service.

I doubt if you know anything about the canonicity of the bible nor the history of the early church, but rather than the more profitable pursuit of knowledge you have found it convenient to join in the already wasteful protestations that earned your fathers the title of protestants and rightly so, under the defunct Vatican Council 1.

If you wish you may learn and hopefully, in so doing secure the health of your soul. Otherwise, continue your journey in ignorance, as well as stick to your "pure water" sola scriptura version of Christianity.

In all and as far as your journey leads you, know that I wish you nothing but the best.

#OYO

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Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by HerexG(m): 8:33pm On Sep 01, 2015

okitikpo:
you told someone that he knows nothing about religion and I also believe that it is also applicable to you. But truth is that I rather still follow the religion of ancient history than that created by modern men. We know how modern men have derailed the world. The Bible that both of us read and believe in was never created nor written in modern days. What I know is that modernity has tried to change the religion of old and which we know it is not supposed to be so, cos God does not change neither is religion supposed to be changed to suit our ways of life. There are things that we should rather leave they way they are rather than trying to modify them with our now and more sinful ways; and one of those things is religion

Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by ALVA001: 8:36pm On Sep 01, 2015

raayah:
I am happy about this news.
Formally catholic women who aborted where excommunicated from the church.

Thanks to this great news, the woman can fully confess to the priests and she will not be removed from the church.

About the argument in this thread,. In a passage in the Gospel of John, Jesus tells his apostles that they have the power to "bind or loose" sins. Catholics interpret this to mean that only priests -- the successors of the apostles -- can intercede with God to forgive sins. Protestants view the statement as a general one directed at believers (we can all ask for forgiveness)

The bible means different things to different people

wa hum yatluna li'kitab,afa'la ta'kiluun.

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Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by dukecharles(m): 8:37pm On Sep 01, 2015

missKiffy:
Catholics why do you seek forgiveness from a priest instead of from God

The sacrament of reconciliation is one of the greatest sacraments in the Catholic Church as the only Christian Church founded by Christ and his apostles,which is not in other churches. Cf John 20 vs 23. Matthew 9 vs 6-8, John 17 vs 2, meditate on the verses, you will get the answer you seek.
BTW our priest act "in persone Christi" which means in the person of Christ just like the apostles. You may not understand.
Catholic Church is Apostolic which means it has direct origin from the Apostles, of course, it was the first and only Christian Church on earth for 1551 years before protestantism which gave birth to what we have today as protestant or pentecostal church. It simply means people who protested against the faith. More so, , where Pope is staying today is where Peter the prince of the Apostles was buried.
I am not writing this for you to believe, prove other churches wrong, defend the Catholic Church or to make you to start going for confession. No all am saying is believe in you own and let others be, it has been working for them centuries ago.
If a Pastor can pray for you to receive miracle, I don't know wat is wrong with a priest praying for repentant soul to receive forgiveness and reconciliation.

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Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by charsola: 8:37pm On Sep 01, 2015

Some times I beging to wonder how people that call themselves christians read and understand bible,na wa for protestants o!

Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by Holyman3(m): 8:38pm On Sep 01, 2015

missKiffy:
Catholics why do you seek forgiveness from a priest instead of from God

Another pentecostal idioticc Prostitute.

Send me. GOD'S phone number or email, so he can tell me I have been forgiven..

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Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by PublicAssurance: 8:39pm On Sep 01, 2015

i really wish i was like this pope (with a wife sha)....but he is just a very good man

Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by PublicAssurance: 8:40pm On Sep 01, 2015

He is God-like...he is God's representative on earth

azzima:
Soooo Pope Francis is GOD now abi??Catholism is something else. The same person whose sin might be worse than an abortionist is GRANTING AN OK for forgiveness. And I bet some fool is so excited because the Oga has given the order. Mumus! !!

Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by dukecharles(m): 8:41pm On Sep 01, 2015

morbeta:
Catholic with their there dogmatic ways, my bible says only jesus forgives sins and the only way to life everlasting. How come catholic priest are the ones to forgive sin even the ones with are part of. Na nwa oooooo

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Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by missKiffy(f): 8:41pm On Sep 01, 2015

Holyman3:
I

Another pentecostal idioticc Prostitute.

Send me. GOD'S phone number or email, so he can tell me I have been forgiven..

Na ur mama be prostitute

Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by dukecharles(m): 8:42pm On Sep 01, 2015

samplegirl:
Among the priests to forgive the repentant women are the gays and the pedophile in the house.

Catholic deceiving people since 500 ad.

No one has the capacity to forgive a sin against God. Humans can only forgive any wrong doing against them not a sin against God.

Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by Nobody: 8:42pm On Sep 01, 2015*

emmyw:
Only if you truly understand the scripture;

John 20:21-23

21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As
the Father has sent me, I am sending you.”

22 And with that he breathed on them and
said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven;
if you do not forgive them, they are not
forgiven.”

The scripture you quoted above does not give the pope, you nor anyone else the powers to forgive all manner of sins as you have asserted, rather Christ was teaching his disciples about the importance of forgiveness and verse 23 above can attest to that.

There is no record in the bible of a single instance in which an apostle listened to a private confession and then pronounced absolution i.e abortion. However, the requirements for being forgiven by God are set out in the Bible. The apostles, under the direction of the holy spirit, could discern whether individuals were meeting such requirements and could on this basis know that God had either forgiven them or not.

when a person sins against God, you pray to him (God) to forgive you and not to man

Psalm 32:5 (New American Standard Bible (NASB))

I acknowledged my sin to You,
And my iniquity I did not hide;
I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the Lord”;
And You forgave the guilt of my sin.

Matt 6:6-12

6 But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.

7 “And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.

8 So do not be like them; for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.

9 Pray, then, in this way: Our Father who is in heaven, Hallowed be Your name.

10 Your kingdom come. Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

11 Give us this day our daily bread.

12 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors, and do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from, For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen. (This was directed to God and not to man)

When an individual wrongs his fellowman or when he has been wronged:

Matt 5: 23, 24.

23 Therefore if you are presenting your offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you,
24 leave your offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your offering.

Luke 17:3

Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him (you only forgive wrong doings against you and not going about pronousing forgiveness on every issue that has nothing to do with you, i.e abortion)

Ephesians 4:32

Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.

The death of Christ was the ransom paid for our sins and not some men out there

Matt 26:28

28 for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.

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Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by Leoswaggs(m): 8:44pm On Sep 01, 2015

missKiffy:
Catholics why do you seek forgiveness from a priest instead of from God

go read ur bible very well..just strt from Genesis buh b4 u reach Revelation you'll find what you looking for I swear down.

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Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by Nobody: 8:46pm On Sep 01, 2015

morbeta:
Catholic with their there dogmatic ways, my bible says only jesus forgives sins and the only way to life everlasting. How come catholic priest are the ones to forgive sin even the ones with are part of. Na nwa oooooo

Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by HerexG(m): 8:47pm On Sep 01, 2015

Jeromejnr:
In your opinion based on assumptions as a result of lack of experiencing the supernatural. Not facts.

So it is only in Christianity one experiences spiritual powers ? It is a pure primitive western slavery of the mind even majority of them don't longer believe it anymore . Na we Africans dey carry am for head like say na our papa religion.

Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by Stephansmily(f): 8:49pm On Sep 01, 2015

thorpido:
That is not what this scripture means.It means confess your wrong doings/offences to each other.
God is the only One who forgives sins in the Name of Jesus.

The priest is who we choose as the other part of 'one another'. Correction, the priest never forgives sin, he only prays on behalf of the sinner(prayer of intercession)

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Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by Stephansmily(f): 8:49pm On Sep 01, 2015

missionmex:
if u sin against each other. Did u sin against the priest?

Dats not what it means

Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by Jeromejnr(m): 8:50pm On Sep 01, 2015

HerexG:
So it is only in Christianity one experiences spiritual powers ? It is a pure primitive western slavery of the mind even majority of them don't longer believe it anymore . Na we Africans dey carry am for head like say na our papa religion.

Which majority don't believe anymore? Maybe you've been watching too much MTV and you think that's how all the white's live.

Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by Stephansmily(f): 8:51pm On Sep 01, 2015

2pointsonly:
the "one another" can be anybody, not necessarily a priest.

Bt we choose just one person 'a priest'. Others may reveal to people what u confessed, bt the priest never does that coz its against the church

Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by HerexG(m): 8:54pm On Sep 01, 2015

Jeromejnr:
Which majority don't believe anymore? Maybe you've been watching too much MTV and you think that's how all the white's live.

I'm much of an intellectual to watch that jargons, I relate with more of their intellectuals and day after day they themselves keep proving their own books the bible wrong

Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by homesteady(m): 8:55pm On Sep 01, 2015

I had no serious issue with this confession stuff, but now I have a one!
Who gave them the right to choose sins which to forgive and not to forgive? So are they trying to tell me that all females who had committed abortions were already condemned to hell prior to this new rule?

This is just so laughable! What happened to God's sufficient grace?

Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by Jeromejnr(m): 8:57pm On Sep 01, 2015

HerexG:
I'm much of an intellectual to watch that jargons, I relate with more of their intellectuals and day after day they themselves keep proving their own books the bible wrong

While scientists actually look to the book to help make discoveries.

Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by Nobody: 8:58pm On Sep 01, 2015

Stephansmily:
The priest is who we choose as the other part of 'one another'. Correction, the priest never forgives sin, he only prays on behalf of the sinner(~~prayer of intercession~~)

Christ is the only mediator through which mankind can approach God, His sacrificial blood paid the ransom thereby nullifying any need for an intercessor because the so called intercessor is also a sinner therefore, Christ being a perfect and sinless being, he alone is the mediator and the Christ through whom we approach God in prayer that was why he taught us how to pray and how to go about it which can be found in Matt 6:6-12 and not through any intercessor.

Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by HerexG(m): 8:59pm On Sep 01, 2015

Jeromejnr:
While scientists actually look to the book to help make discoveries.

Yes they look into it because it is a major historic book, most ideas based on primitive ages was recorded there

Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by Nobody: 9:01pm On Sep 01, 2015

Stephansmily:
Bt we choose just one person 'a priest'. Others may reveal to people what u confessed, bt the priest never does that coz its against the church

so the entire human race is not good in keeping secret except 'priests'? Interesting.

Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by Jeromejnr(m): 9:01pm On Sep 01, 2015

HerexG:
Yes they look into it because it is a major historic book, most ideas based on primitive ages was recorded there

So you chose to beleive in the accuracy of the history but leave the rest out.

Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by HerexG(m): 9:07pm On Sep 01, 2015

Jeromejnr:
So you chose to beleive in the accuracy of the history but leave the rest out.

Not really accuracy but ideas and believes based on that dispensation nd era

Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by Jeromejnr(m): 9:09pm On Sep 01, 2015

HerexG:
Not really accuracy but ideas and believes based on that dispensation nd era

Aiit.

Re: Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions by eepa: 9:13pm On Sep 01, 2015

People believe what they want to believe.if sins are not heard.what determines whether they are to be forgiven or retained.Many a time we are blinded by teaching of pastors.when you say only God can forgive sins.nobody contest that.even from the time old the priest as to certify you clean.for does who don't know there is a sigh of relieve when you hear those words your sins are forgiven.
God the Father, wants to meet us where we are at, by
sending to us a “Father” and a “Priest”(c.f. Judges
18:19), whose job is to “to act on behalf of men in
relation to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for
sins.7” (Hebrews 5:1)! God the Son, allows men to
participate in His role as the one mediator between
God and man, to reconcile man to God. In essence,
God utilizes the man’s faculties, his body, his
voice, etc., to become present personally to the
sinner. A good example of this can be found in 2
Samuel 12, when, after King David had sinned,
taking Bathsheba into his bed and plotting the
murder of her husband, God sent Nathan to hear
the confession of David and to give to him
penance.
2 Samuel 12:7–15 (RSVCE)
7 Nathan said to David, “You are the man. Thus
says the Lord, the God of Israel, ‘I anointed you
king over Israel, and I delivered you out of the
hand of Saul; 8 and I gave you your master’s
house, and your master’s wives into your bosom,
and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah; and
if this were too little, I would add to you as much
more. 9 Why have you despised the word of the
Lord, to do what is evil in his sight? You have
smitten Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and have
taken his wife to be your wife, and have slain him
with the sword of the Ammonites. 10 Now
therefore the sword shall never depart from your
house, because you have despised me, and have
taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife.’
11 Thus says the Lord, ‘Behold, I will raise up evil
against you out of your own house; and I will take
your wives before your eyes, and give them to
your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in
the sight of this sun. 12 For you did it secretly; but
I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the
sun.’” 13 David said to Nathan, “I have sinned
against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The
Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die.
14 Nevertheless, because by this deed you have
utterly scorned the Lord, the child that is born to
you shall die.” 15 Then Nathan went to his house.
And the Lord struck the child that Uriah’s wife
bore to David, and it became sick.
Clearly, God allowed Nathan, a man, to be used in
this fashion, to hear the confession of David and to
draw him to repentance, giving him penance, yet
we wouldn’t say that David only confessed to the
man, but, rather, to God through the man! Notice
too that David never questioned Nathan about his
authority call him out of the “bushes”. You would
think David would have protested if Nathan had
overstepped his bounds, “hey, I will confess my
sins directly to God thank you very much!”
However, David accepted Nathan’s penance as
though it was God who issued it, with fasting and
praying, displaying his repentant heart. Then, after
the child died, David was blessed with another
child with Bathsheba, Solomon, who would be his
successor to the throne.

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