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patrick89:
listen igala are not yoruba, like ijaw, they're in anambra, Benue, edo, delta and ofcourse kogi.. they are not yoruba. Their women do not dress alike too.

Ilekeh:
Igala girl

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1735741_20140923160611_jpegd4e8a513a06112b13d57de192f8f16e4

oreos:
They are not Yoruba

funmijoyb:
if they are not yoruba atleast we are ruling over them like we does to igbos in south west

patrick89:
listen igala are not yoruba, like ijaw, they're in anambra, Benue, edo, delta and ofcourse kogi.. they are not yoruba. Their women do not dress alike too.

Ilekeh:
Igala women. Sorry, Igala (Yorubas) do not require you igbos to tell them their heritage.

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/413406_4062741618173_1935966094_o.jpg

oreos:
I am Yoruba. I have met quite a few of them. However they share some similarities with the Yorunas. They are not Yoruba.

Ilekeh:
Anyone can be Yoruba online.
That's like calling Togo yorubas non-Yoruba. They're more likely to be Yorubas.

oreos:
I am Yoruba. I have met quite a few of them. However they tend to share some similarities with the closest ethnic group. The ones in Anambra and other might appear to be Igbo but they are not, same as the ones in the North who can pass off as Hausas therefore it is no surprising to see the ones close to Yorubaland doing certain things like the Yorubas.

coolitempa:
Their language is not Yoruba totally......they have some non Yoruba words but 70-80% of the language are Yoruba words.....

coolitempa:
Their language is not Yoruba totally......they have some non Yoruba words but 70-80% of the language are Yoruba words.....

patrick89:
I like how responsible and civil your response is, now let's dissect the diversity in SW,
Do Aworis see themselves as Awori or yoruba? Do they mix with slave returnees like Cokers of this world,
2. Egun are not yoruba no matter how you try to deny this,
3. If ijebus are yoruba, why would a King come out and say that they migrated from Sudan!!!

Ilekeh:
If these people aren't yoruba, they speak a dialect of Yoruba and they dress like Yorubas.
To me, they're Yorubas.

So back to the topic.

patrick89:
I like how responsible and civil your response is, now let's dissect the diversity in SW,
Do Aworis see themselves as Awori or yoruba? Do they mix with slave returnees like Cokers of this world,
2. Egun are not yoruba no matter how you try to deny this,
3. If ijebus are yoruba, why would a King come out and say that they migrated from Sudan!!!

The Awori of Lagos State occupy one the most important position in meaningful discussion of prehistory of Lagos state. More than any other group, they have contributed in large measure to shaping the political, social, economic and religious destiny of what is now known as Lagos state. The predynastic Lagosians are the Awori and Ijebu sub groups. The Awori are a dialect speaking sub-group of the Yoruba who are found in large concentration within the region of Lagos and Ogun states. They share common cultural values in varying degrees with other Yoruba and Edo groups. The legendary Ogunfunminire was their progenitor and his origin has been traced to Ile-Ife, the cradle of Yoruba civilization and culture, and undoubtedly of princely class.

The name Awori is used for the people of Yoruba, Benin origin who speak Awori dialect of the Yoruba. Supporting this view, Faluyi (1987) described the Awori as an organized set of people who formed a sub-group of the Yoruba and possess a distinctive speech which is recognizably a separate Yoruba dialect. Furthermore, Agiri and Barnes pointed out that:

"There are strong indications that the people now known as Awori represent a long and uneven movement of people from Ketu, Egbado, Oyo, and no doubt, other origins, who were forced by warfare and slave raids, and this was occurring as early as the 14th and 15th centuries prior to, and perhaps extending into the same period that saw Benin March Westwards."

This positions was further embellished by the colonial description of the Awori that the racially, they appear to be a mixture of the Yoruba and the Benin and their immigration into the region of coastal Yorubaland coincided with Benin conquest or rather absorption of Lagos and its adjacent villages and hamlets.

The Lagos state Awori are distinguished by four main factors; the language which is a variation of Yoruba dialect, traditions of ancestral migrations from Ile-Ife, traditions among their rulers of common descent from Oduduwa, the eponymous hero of the Yoruba and traditions of consanguineous affinal relationships resulting from the ancestry of various ruling classes and cultural heritage, as well as diffusion through migrations and interactions. Common historical experiences, similar geographical environment, cultural diffusion, migration as well as conjugal ties have made the Lagos Awori cultural homogenous.

The other major predynastic inhabitants are the Ijebu. The Ijebu are a dialect speaking sub group of the Yoruba. They have traditions linking their origin to Ile-Ife, the cradle of Yoruba civilization. Some of the early settlement include Remo and Ijebu Ode from where many settlers migrated to the region of modern day Lagos State. http://www.edoworld.net/PRE_DYNASTIC_LAGOSIANS.html

patrick89:
2. Egun are not yoruba no matter how you try to deny this,

Badagry´s original name was Gbagle a contraction of the word Ogbaglee, meaning in Ogu (not Egun, as commonly mis-pronounces and mis-spelt) “a farmland near the swamp”. The Ogu people are historically reputed to have migrated from the ancient Ketu,(part of Oduduwa’s Kingdom) and they left Ile-ife around the mid-13th.Century, for Accra in Gold Coast. The Ga/Ewe(Aja-Ogu) speaking group of today´s Ghana are indeed the kith and kin of the Ogu of Badagry. The history of Badagry has a fascinating tradition of Kingship (Wheno-Aholu) and local administration.

The ancient town of Badagry is divided into eight quarters namely: Jegba, Ahoriko, Awhanjigoh, Boekoh, Persuka, Wharakoh and Ganho and its adjoining villages on both the mainland and island, have for century recognised the Wheno Aholu Akran of Badagry, of which there have been seventeen from the earliest time to the present Akran, Menu Toyi I crowned in 1977. http://association-of-lagos-state-origin-hamburg-ev.com/contents/people

patrick89:
3. If ijebus are yoruba, why would a King come out and say that they migrated from Sudan!!

The Ijebu People

THE Ijebu People inhabit the South-Central part of Yorubaland - a territory that is bounded in the North by Ibadan, in the East by Ondo, Okitipupa and the West by Egbaland. The Southern fringe is open to the sea with the coastlines of Epe, Ejinrin and Ikorodu. Despite the political division which has these three towns in Lagos while the main part of Ijebuland is Ogun State, the people have always regarded themselves as one entity, even when the immigration ­legends which have often been cited point in dif­ferent directions.

There are immigration legends which tend to link the Ijebu with the biblical Jebusites and Noah (hence Omoluwabi -- omo ti Noah bi -- the children of Noah) but these are farfetched. Other immigration legends trace the origin of Yoruba people, and by implication, the Ijebu to Mecca where Oduduwa, the legendary ancestor of the Yoruba, was said to be the son of King Lamurudu.....

Ijebu traditional historians tend to stick to the migra­tion legend that the people migrated to their present territory from a region of Sudan called Waddai, which means that the Ijebu had a parallel migration wave just like other Yoruba who believe they came to their present abode via Oduduwa. That claim seems to be corroborated by a publication by one Hailemariam which states that "the most powerful people that the Negede Orit (ancient Ethiopian immigrant into Africa) met in East Africa were the Jebus." Their King was claimed to be so influential, that he appointed the gover­nors of Yemen. If that king was the same Olu-Iwa, the legendary first Ruler of Ijebuland, we do not know.

There is a lot of evidence in support of the fact that the Ijebus migrated into Nigeria from Sudan. The most ob­vious is the Sudanese tribal mark which, though varied, is duplicated all over Yorubaland. In particular, the three ver­tical marks on both cheeks are the national marks in Ijebu...

The first major wave of Sudanese that entered Nigeria was led by Iwase who came to Ife several centu­ries before the major Sudanese immigrations under Oduduwa and Olu-Iwa. The Iwase group of immigrants came during the reign of Esumare of Ife Erinrin. The next group of Sudanese immigrants were the Ijebus and the kindred peoples under Olu-Iwa, who entered the country at about the same time as the Yoruba under Oduduwa....

The bulk of Yoruba people regard the ljebus as peripheral Yoruba, while the ljebus themselves do not hide the fact that the cohesion between them and others who call themselves central Yoruba has been the result of cultural and political interaction over the centuries. Time itself has taken care of these legends as the various groups of people in Western Nigeria have come to accept a common Nationality as Yoruba, be they Ekiti, Ijesha, Egba, Ondo, Ijebu, etc.. Even among the Ijebus, there are conflicting claims to the source of origin depending on the political intention of those concerned.

Irrespective of these claims, the Ijebus are united under the leadership of the Awujale of Ijebuland and this unity is the strength of the people as exhibited by their achievements in the past 40 years of the reign of Oba Sikiru Adetona, Ogbagba II. http://www.ijebuassociation.org/DiscoverIjebuland/Ourorigin1/ctl/Details/mid/5740/itemid/169SkinSrc=%5bL%5dSkins%2fIjebuSkin%2findex

laudate:
Aworis see themselves as Yoruba. kindly read a little about their history. As for "mixing with slave returnees like the Cokers of this world," you may need to expatiate a bit further. Does mixing refer to social interaction or marriages, or business transaction or what exactly??





This is debatable. The Egun (or Ogu) are said to have a dialect that has been influenced by the languages of others, that they have come into contact with. Don't forget that their major town Badagry was a slave port in the 16th century, and merchants, slave traders and coastal folks from Togo, old Dahomey and Ghana were always in transit through the town. In latter years, many of these migrants settled among the Egun people and their languages, customs and mannerisms were assimilated by the Egun people. That is why their language/dialect is so difficult to understand by the average Lagosian. People say their dialect is not easy to understand, as it is quite deep.

It is like asking an Ossomala indigene from Anambra whose dialect is so different from the Izzi people of Ebonyi, to interprete or translate the Izzi dialect, without learning it.

Please read a bit about the history of the Egun (or Ogu) people, here:



Scholars say: "Culture, we are reminded, is in a perpetual flux and cannot be subjected to the frozen view ". So you find some people who claim that the the Egun are not Yoruba (even if some of them bear Yoruba names). So, why impose Yoruba cultural institutions on them? They claim that their relationship with the Yoruba is like the kind of relationship the Itsekiri have with the Yoruba. Similar customs with respect to nomenclature and languages, but totally separate identity.

Unfortunately, the jury is still out on this one. Only the Yoruba people and the Egun, can give an accurate picture of their relationship with each other.



The king was talking about the various migration patterns that brought the Ijebu people to their present domain. Among the Ijebu, there were various waves of migrations that brought them together. No human being or community grew from the ground or soil. They all migrated from somewhere.

funmijoyb:
u r not yoruba but a subgroup. u dey craze why is igala a yoruba word? why r igalas in south west and kogi? Ode leleyi o

funmijoyb:
Igala is a yoruba word

Igala is not a yoruba word, igala is a tribe while igala in yoruba is an animal (antelope I guess)

they have Oba has king

We don't have Oba as king we have Ata igala Google is your friend and Ata means father, igala word for Oba is ONU

they bear yoruba names

We don't bear yoruba names except those born in the south west

they have yoruba physical look

We don't look like yoruba we look more like ibo without tribal mark

they have tribal marks

Our tribal marks are distinct.




Last bullet I am from kogi state, ankpa local government, ojookodo precisely I was born in Ogun State, live in Ogun State for more than 20 years but I would rather claim Hausa than Yoruba)

funmijoyb:
you havnt mention d igbos dat constitute large numbers in south west too. all d above mention tribes r yoruba

zenith4biz:
We igala's are not Yoruba, don't join us with you

Shikena

patrick89:
I like how responsible and civil your response is, now let's dissect the diversity in SW,
Do Aworis see themselves as Awori or yoruba? Do they mix with slave returnees like Cokers of this world,
2. Egun are not yoruba no matter how you try to deny this,
3. If ijebus are yoruba, why would a King come out and say that they migrated from Sudan!!!

laudate:
Aworis see themselves as Yoruba. kindly read a little about their history. As for "mixing with slave returnees like the Cokers of this world," you may need to expatiate a bit further. Does mixing refer to social interaction or marriages, or business transaction or what exactly??





This is debatable. The Egun (or Ogu) are said to have a dialect that has been influenced by the languages of others, that they have come into contact with. Don't forget that their major town Badagry was a slave port in the 16th century, and merchants, slave traders and coastal folks from Togo, old Dahomey and Ghana were always in transit through the town. In latter years, many of these migrants settled among the Egun people and their languages, customs and mannerisms were assimilated by the Egun people. That is why their language/dialect is so difficult to understand by the average Lagosian. People say their dialect is not easy to understand, as it is quite deep.

It is like asking an Ossomala indigene from Anambra whose dialect is so different from the Izzi people of Ebonyi, to interprete or translate the Izzi dialect, without learning it.

Please read a bit about the history of the Egun (or Ogu) people, here:



Scholars say: "Culture, we are reminded, is in a perpetual flux and cannot be subjected to the frozen view ". So you find some people who claim that the the Egun are not Yoruba (even if some of them bear Yoruba names). So, why impose Yoruba cultural institutions on them? They claim that their relationship with the Yoruba is like the kind of relationship the Itsekiri have with the Yoruba. Similar customs with respect to nomenclature and languages, but totally separate identity.

Unfortunately, the jury is still out on this one. Only the Yoruba people and the Egun, can give an accurate picture of their relationship with each other.



The king was talking about the various migration patterns that brought the Ijebu people to their present domain. Among the Ijebu, there were various waves of migrations that brought them together. No human being or community grew from the ground or soil. They all migrated from somewhere.

patrick89:
I have come to realise that South west is very diverse, they comprise of different ethnic nationality but conquered and dominated by yorubas. The word yoruba to me seems to be a unifying coinage just like Anioma, to bring bring all different ethnic nationals together.
However, unlike Anioma, different ethnic nationals in South west have nothing in common, aside that, they adopted yoruba language as a lingual franca..
among them are 1. Aworis : they occupy some parts of ogun state lagos and ondo state they have different culture and background, they have stated that they are not yorubas 2. The ijebus are fierce and aggressive, they have also affirmed that they migrated from sudan, so they can not be regarded as yorubas, 3. The Egun, they are found in Benin republic, lagos, Ogunn state and some part of oyo state. They have nothing in common with yorubas both in culture and language, they are the only one still tied to their traditional, maybe because they are very conservative.
others are ekiti, egba, ife, etc all these ones have aligned fully to the big family yoruba. but the question is who is the pure yoruba, because I hear people describe some with funny tags and names.. I need a very serious clarification here