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Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by Nobody: 4:36pm On Sep 06, 2015
Mr Skeletine pls have you worked on the engine changes Mr Ikenna351 suggested for you?
Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by cardoctor(m): 5:59pm On Sep 06, 2015
Ikenna351:


From the external door glasses chrome detailing, it means its either a GL or SR model, unless you fitted them in.

Ikenna

The GL's didn't come with that type of dashboard. The brown dashboard shown is circa 1982 onwards.

Car-doctor
Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by Ikenna351(m): 7:43pm On Sep 06, 2015
cardoctor:


The GL's didn't come with that type of dashboard. The brown dashboard shown is circa 1982 onwards.

Car-doctor

It seems you didn't read from the beginning of the thread down or how else do I explain it for better understanding.

Ok. Let's try this.

504 GL, L, etc, were phase one 504s, while SR, GR,etc, were phase 2. Simply put, most Nigerians that owned or still own 504 GL have swapped in phase II 504 dashboard(s). I saw, I didn't hear or read. So seeing a 504 interior picture with phase II dashboard doesn't mean it must be phase II 504 (SR, GR,prestige, etc). I have already explained in the previous posts here how to identify a GL, even if its modified with Series II interior.

For your information, I have owned a 504 GL foreign assembly with double-barrel carburetor. So I obviously know what GL have, what everything in GL looks like, and most importantly, how GL handles and performs when geared into action.

Ikenna, the Lion King.

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Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by skeletine(m): 9:34am On Sep 08, 2015
Ikenna351:


Yes, PAN SR basically have the double round headlights as standard.

From the engine bay pictures you posted, the cylinder head, intake manifold & Air filter are suggesting the engine is not 2.0, unless it was replaced at some point with 1.8 litre cylinder head. However, standard PAN SR had 1.8 litre engines, though were all XN engines as well.

If you want to enjoy better fuel economy and long engine life span, I would suggest you convert the radiator mechanical fan to electric fan. It's very easy and I can guide you. The mechanical fan bolted to that water pump pulley creates a lot of drag as acceleration increases on XN engines in Nigeria, which add heavy load on the engine and consume more fuel. Foreign 504s all had Viscous mechanical fan, not the bolt on type you have. The temperature sensor on the radiator can serve as a trigger for the fan and it works perfectly just like modern cooling system fans in newer Peugeots. It will also help the engine run at optimal temperature for less wear and tear. You will marvel at how less noisy the engine would become, when you remove that mechanical fan.

Ikenna
Thanks Ikenna,

I have consulted with my 'team' and they think it cannot be done. They reckon the electrical fan cannot fit into the space given the protruding part that encases the water pump. I will appreciate your guidance in reworking the fan system.

Regards.
Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by skeletine(m): 9:50am On Sep 08, 2015
Ikenna351:
Also,

I would suggest you install thermostat in that cooling system, which I assume is absent/removed from the thermostat housing. The thermostat housing is that metal part where upper radiator hose is clamped on the engine side or where the upper radiator hose stopped on cylinder head (engine), which is shown in one of the engine bay pictures you posted.

If you are interested in installing the thermostat,I can get the factory opening temperature for you. Probably the one in my ZN3J may work in yours too.

Ikenna

I wish to do ALL as advised but, like you know: knowledge is power. How can you help please?
Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by skeletine(m): 9:52am On Sep 08, 2015
brojero:
For the authentic SR look, you also need to change the hubcabs to this;

This cover is not for this generation of 504 SRs.
Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by skeletine(m): 9:53am On Sep 08, 2015
Chibzee2:
Lovely ride brother, just feel on top whenever you ride cool.
As for sienna......i guess he was born in a car.....he just knows too much about them cars.., thumbs up bro... ill like to be like you when i grow cool.
Thanks man, the feeling is good.
Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by skeletine(m): 10:01am On Sep 08, 2015
dumo1:
Mr Skeletine pls have you worked on the engine changes Mr Ikenna351 suggested for you?
I havn't, been much out of town and my team is not as versed as Ikenna so they sure need some putting through. I'm presently calling on him for help. grin
Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by Ikenna351(m): 10:16am On Sep 08, 2015
skeletine:

Thanks Ikenna,

I have consulted with my 'team' and they think it cannot be done. They reckon the electrical fan cannot fit into the space given the protruding part that encases the water pump. I will appreciate your guidance in reworking the fan system.

Regards.

That your "team" does not know how to do it does not mean another person outside that circle does not know. I did it on mine since 2011, and the entire cooling system has been working perfectly till this moment, with so many trips I have done with the lion.

Are you in Abuja? If yes, bring the lion to me to do it for you. Trust me, you will constantly smile everytime you listen to engine note because it will start sounding differently once you swap in the electrical fan. And the fuel economy will greatly improve. You will marvel at how good that lion conserves fuel.



However, I can still guide you on how you can do it yourself. I saved pictures of how I did mine. Will find it and guide you with the installation.

Ikenna, the Lion king.
Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by skeletine(m): 10:32am On Sep 08, 2015
Ikenna351:


That your "team" does not know how to do it does not mean another person outside that circle does not know. I did it on mine since 2011, and the entire cooling system has been working perfectly till this moment, with so many trips I have done with the lion.

Are you in Abuja? If yes, bring the lion to me to do it for you. Trust me, you will constantly smile everytime you listen to engine note because it will start sounding differently once you swap in the electrical fan. And the fuel economy will greatly improve. You will marvel at how good that lion conserves fuel.



However, I can still guide you on how you can do it yourself. I saved pictures of how I did mine. Will find it and guide you with the installation.

Ikenna, the Lion king.

Thanks IK, cant ask for more. I'm in Lagos so I would have to take directions on how to go about it. Please go ahead and educate us. I also recently acquired a 'Best line' model but intends to 'work it' to this generation - I mean replace the 'padded' bumpers with this shiny steel bumber to get the oldies look. Whatcha think?
Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by cardoctor(m): 4:04pm On Sep 08, 2015
Oh, how I love the sound note of the 504 GL exhaust. Unforgettable.

Car-doctor

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Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by Ikenna351(m): 5:33pm On Sep 08, 2015
skeletine:


Thanks IK, cant ask for more. I'm in Lagos so I would have to take directions on how to go about it. Please go ahead and educate us. I also recently acquired a 'Best line' model but intends to 'work it' to this generation - I mean replace the 'padded' bumpers with this shiny steel bumber to get the oldies look. Whatcha think?

That's good.

But I would have gone for either GL, American spec 504 or Argentinian phase II 504, to have different experience from the SR. At least, the Argentinian phase II 504 had GL specifications, including 5-speed manual transmission. Only that it had rear live differential, I think, including drum brakes, etc . While GL/Amercian spec 504s had independent rear differentials, 4-wheel brake discs, drive shafts attached with CV joints on both ends, cross members, direct propeller shafts from gearbox output spline to differential input spline, etc.

Even the exhaust system of GL and SR were different. GL had the centre pot that would give out masculine sweet sound and would give that feeling of loud roar sound when in action. The GL had the exhaust manifold V6 design, including the intake manifold. The suspensions, both front and rear were completely different. In fact, with GL suspension, you will enjoy the lion better if converted and swapped in V6 engine. Few current GL owners in Europe now have V6 engines in them.

To be honest, 504 GL is a complete animal from SR. If really you are into collection of 504s, get a GL and your driving experience will never be the same. cheesy


Ikenna
Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by Ikenna351(m): 10:44am On Sep 09, 2015
skeletine:


I wish to do ALL as advised but, like you know: knowledge is power. How can you help please?

A friend of mine in Egypt sent me pictures of thermostats he uses in his 504 SR. One opens at 75 degree Celsius and the other opens at 82 C. The factory opening temperature is 74-76 C, so the OEM thermostat for XN1 engine is 75 C. But 82 C will work well as well.

My ZN3J Factory thermostat (505 V6 engine) opening Temperature is 79 C. When the thermostat failed, I found 71 C here in Nigeria. When installed, the temperature gauge wouldn't stay long at 90 C. I had to buy the 82 C and swapped in and it became normal, even better than the Factory 79 C. The 82 C thermostat has been in that engine since 2012.

Find pictures of your engine thermostat attached below:


Ikenna, the Lion King.

Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by Nobody: 6:18pm On Sep 09, 2015
I think the OP should invest in one pair of these babies. Front & rear skeletal lights.


Only rear is shown here...

Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by Nobody: 9:11pm On Sep 09, 2015
I personally feel those crystal-lensed tail lamps are too "modern" for the 504. They just don't flow well with the overall look.

If I had a Peugeot 504, I would restore it to as factory spec as possible, and that means sourcing ONLY parts that would have been fitted to the car from the factory, when it was new. Or available from Peugeot's Accessory Programme for the 504

I would however install modern, safer mechanicals, like decent brakes. And a 5-speed manual gearbox mounted behind a 5.7 LS3 V8.

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Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by Nobody: 9:59pm On Sep 09, 2015
grin I just got tired of the factory look & decided to give this one some 'mild modifications'.
It looked very similar to the OP's own initially. I guess they are of the same model.
Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by Nobody: 1:18am On Sep 10, 2015
0rex:
grin I just got tired of the factory look & decided to give this one some 'mild modifications'.
It looked very similar to the OP's own initially. I guess they are of the same model.

As new as the crystal tail lamps are its ooks cool on your 504 but i also understand the angle siena is comming from.

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Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by brojero: 10:26am On Sep 13, 2015
skeletine:

This cover is not for this generation of 504 SRs.

I think they are the correct ones, as I used to own one.
I know there was another version for later models ; are you thinking of this one?

Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by Readonee35L(m): 12:35am On Sep 15, 2015
@skeletine
i saw this ride today inside mile2 estate smiley
Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by Jagermeister(m): 8:36am On Sep 15, 2015
As much as Siena is really versatile and really bad-ass with automobiles (especially Audi's). Ikenna is a Peugeot king. I admire these dudes. I thought I knew cars but these guys dwarfed my knowledge. With them around apparently, I only really know how to drive 'em cars real good.

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Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by Jagermeister(m): 9:08am On Sep 15, 2015
Siena:
I personally feel those crystal-lensed tail lamps are too "modern" for the 504. They just don't flow well with the overall look.

If I had a Peugeot 504, I would restore it to as factory spec as possible, and that means sourcing ONLY parts that would have been fitted to the car from the factory, when it was new. Or available from Peugeot's Accessory Programme for the 504

I would however install modern, safer mechanicals, like decent brakes. And a 5-speed manual gearbox mounted behind a 5.7 LS3 V8.

Siena? You my friend have gone Uber mad! 5.7 litre V8 in a 504. Considering power-to-weight-ratio, you would have just converted the Peugeot to a less-safe Pagani Zonda. With your wicked modifications for cars, you would probably consider a super-charged V8. Do you think the chassis and suspension can handle that much power.
Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by Nobody: 5:24pm On May 16, 2016
Jagermeister:


Siena? You my friend have gone Uber mad! 5.7 litre V8 in a 504. Considering power-to-weight-ratio, you would have just converted the Peugeot to a less-safe Pagani Zonda. With your wicked modifications for cars, you would probably consider a super-charged V8. Do you think the chassis and suspension can handle that much power.

An old thread, but...

...Of course! That would be my ideal Peugeot 504. wink

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Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by kengodson: 6:02pm On Jun 12, 2016
hello, i have a 504 2000 with AC, when speeding and i on the AC, the speed drops, what should i do, and what components cause this, because i want to buy another 504 cry
Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by Nobody: 8:21pm On Jun 12, 2016
kengodson:
hello, i have a 504 2000 with AC, when speeding and i on the AC, the speed drops, what should i do, and what components cause this, because i want to buy another 504 cry
Are u serious?
Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by lonelydora: 9:47pm On Jun 12, 2016
Bossforeva:
Something the Lord Made.

And it is marvelous in our eyes.

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Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by kengodson: 6:41am On Jun 13, 2016
0rex:

Are u serious?
yeah, GL or GR
Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by Nobody: 8:20am On Jun 13, 2016
kengodson:
yeah, GL or GR
Ok.
Is the A/C factory fitted?
Does the engine smoke?
Is this power loss new?

It is normal for the ac compressor to rob the engine of some horsepower when active. However, you should ensure that the engine is running properly to have as much power as you can get. I would love to see a pic of this ride if you don't mind. cool
Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by kengodson: 9:18am On Jun 13, 2016
0rex:

Ok.
Is the A/C factory fitted?
Does the engine smoke?
Is this power loss new?

It is normal for the ac compressor to rob the engine of some horsepower when active. However, you should ensure that the engine is running properly to have as much power as you can get. I would love to see a pic of this ride if you don't mind. cool
for the record, it's my bros grin, but I usually drive it most often, don't know the classic 504Gr or the modern 504 best line, which I should go for, must be clean sha grin, the acceleration of the car is wow shocked, but when u on AC, you will notice a little drop in speed, don't know if there is a way to reduce the power of the AC to allow the engine power to be stable

Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by Nobody: 10:01am On Jun 13, 2016
kengodson:
for the record, it's my bros grin, but I usually drive it most often, don't know the classic 504Gr or the modern 504 best line, which I should go for, must be clean sha grin, the acceleration of the car is wow shocked, but when u on AC, you will notice a little drop in speed, don't know if there is a way to reduce the power of the AC to allow the engine power to be stable
Wow. This is nice.
I personally prefer the best line because of it's body kits & modern look.
There's no way to reduce the power of the AC compressor. Compressing gases and pushing them round constricted spaces continuously is not an easy job na grin, you will have to manage it like that. I suspect it is not the factory AC.

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Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by kengodson: 11:00am On Jun 13, 2016
0rex:

Wow. This is nice.
I personally prefer the best line because of it's body kits & modern look.
There's no way to reduce the power of the AC compressor. Compressing gases and pushing them round constricted spaces continuously is not an easy job na grin, you will have to manage it like that. I suspect it is not the factory AC.
,yes, I he put a new freezer in it, but same compressor, the car is damm durable grin, here is one in view, i.e. Best line, with circular headlamp

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Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by kengodson: 10:26am On Sep 11, 2016
kengodson:
for the record, it's my bros grin, but I usually drive it most often, don't know the classic 504Gr or the modern 504 best line, which I should go for, must be clean sha grin, the acceleration of the car is wow shocked, but when u on AC, you will notice a little drop in speed, don't know if there is a way to reduce the power of the AC to allow the engine power to be stable
to everyone here, am planning on selling this my pride and joy cry cry,anyone interested, pm me on watsap 08160618424, every single thing is working btw grin
Re: Newly Restored 1979 Peugeot 504. by Kufie(m): 2:22pm On Sep 12, 2016
Ikenna351:


That your "team" does not know how to do it does not mean another person outside that circle does not know. I did it on mine since 2011, and the entire cooling system has been working perfectly till this moment, with so many trips I have done with the lion.

Are you in Abuja? If yes, bring the lion to me to do it for you. Trust me, you will constantly smile everytime you listen to engine note because it will start sounding differently once you swap in the electrical fan. And the fuel economy will greatly improve. You will marvel at how good that lion conserves fuel.



However, I can still guide you on how you can do it yourself. I saved pictures of how I did mine. Will find it and guide you with the installation.

Ikenna, the Lion king.

Please sir, can you install this electrical cooling system on a 3rd generation Toyota 4runner? I wont mind driving the car from the south to Abuja to have you fix it if it's possible

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