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As might already be known by many, I am a hardcore Buharist even though I have refused to be partisan. I voted him all the time he contested even in 2011 when PDP thugs used hammer to smash my finger in Port Harcourt.

I am impressed with his performance thus far but what has got me worried is the rate at which everyone is trying to make Jonathan a scapegoat for what was collectively done by all just because he lost power. This is not the 1st time it has happened in Nigeria. It is the 3rd time in all and 2nd time for individual.

The 1st was the Biafran war used as excuse to nullify the corruption and impunity which lead to the resultant miscalculated coup.

The 2nd was Sani Abacha's death after which all the bad leadership from 1970 to 1998 was heaped on him.

Finally now that Jonathan is out, there is a renewed attempt to heap all the bad leadership from 1999 to 2015 solely on him.

Don't get me wrong I dislike his actions and inactions which affected me negatively especially in Rivers and Imo States but for former aids and appointees to turn around and claim saints is utter wickedness.

Azas how

Warra you tryna say??

OP, I don't really understand your post. You can start by posting a pics of the smashed finger before expressing yourself better.

Wish you could take time to write and express yourself better.

Super story..

Op at the end of your statement that I truly like a lot



You are right bro

Onajevwe:
Warra you tryna say??

My point is that the world is so unfair. Jonathan was bad but he did not create the problems. He was only unable to solve them satisfactorily which is my reason for not supporting him. However those who were either part of the problem or even partook in his government that failed to solve them are now coming up with many excuses thereby heaping the blame almost in its entirety on him.

you are right op

I remember how I read what Abacha did and how he killed people and all that. Most of us have forgotten it was IBB that annulled the June 12 election. The media was so manipulated that each time I remember June 12 Abacha the tyrant and Abiola the saint comes to mind.

Don't no why people won't talk the truth. It's only a walking dead that will still be comparing Jonathan's gov't with that of Buhari after all the new development we've enjoying since the begining of Buhari's gov't. Stable electricity 24/7 and many more. When Jonathan was there we hardly see light for a hour per month.

Abagworo:
My point is that the world is so unfair. Jonathan was bad but he did not create the problems. He was only unable to solve them satisfactorily which is my reason for not supporting him. However those who were either part of the problem or even partook in his government that failed to solve them are now coming up with many excuses thereby heaping the blame almost in its entirety to him.

Ok. Better now.
You see a leader must take responsibility for whatever happens under him. We characterised a regime by the action and inaction of the president or head of state. the reason a lot people clamour for Buhari was for his resume and at this time all of us want corruption out of Nigeria and looking for someone who champion this course. Jonathan could be a good person, but once a good man chooses a rep and the rep fails and the good man tries to steer clear of the responsibility of the rep and correct the wrong wether by using someone else or doing it himself then the action becomes the language of the leader. The white folks read you better by your unspoken words. Which we call body language. Every evil perpetuated under Jonathan government would be laid on him for we gave him all the power to rule.

Shut the fuuuuuuck up. Don't ever regret supporting Buhari because he has dumped Ameachi your man.

You guys must finish what you started. Finish it and don't you ever shift the goal post.

You were among those. Demonising jonathan, or is it because Amaech has been used and dumped?

Abagworo:
As might already be known by many, I am a hardcore Buharist even though I have refused to be partisan. I voted him all the time he contested even in 2011 when PDP thugs used hammer to smash my finger in Port Harcourt.

I am impressed with his performance thus far but what has got me worried is the rate at which everyone is trying to make Jonathan a scapegoat for what was collectively done by all just because he lost power. This is not the 1st time it has happened in Nigeria. It is the 3rd time in all and 2nd time for individual.

The 1st was the Biafran war used as excuse to nullify the corruption and impunity which lead to the resultant miscalculated coup.

The 2nd was Sani Abacha's death after which all the bad leadership from 1970 to 1998 was heaped on him.

Finally now that Jonathan is out, there is a renewed attempt to heap all the bad leadership from 1999 to 2015 solely on him.

Don't get me wrong I dislike his actions and inactions which affected me negatively especially in Rivers and Imo States but for former aids and appointees to turn around and claim saints is utter wickedness.

It is calculated attempt to label eastern part of Nigeria unfit to rule.

Saw it coming from hafar

pipeewa:
Ok. Better now.
Every evil perpetuated under Jonathan government would be laid on him for we gave him all the power to rule.

That is the point. He is being used as scape goat for his predecessors from 1999.

wetin make Abacha Messiah?

Corruption during Jonathan's time was distinct since 1999, pdp would have retain d post if Jonathan was not careless.

Nigeria has never been well managed since 1979. All these 1980 boys who do not know their history think that Nigeria had everything going well until Jonathan came to power. The worst Nigerian leader ever in history is Babangida, Abacha, Obasanjo 2nd tenor and GEJ in that order. Jonathan worked very well only that he had opposition from the outset and being the first civilian born to a peasant family, to rule Nigeria, he could not muster enough courage to steer the ship of the nation. Exploiting GEJ weaknesses, many members of his cabinet did what other officials before them used to do - looting the treasury

MRSALT:
Nigeria has never been well managed since 1979. All these 1980 boys who do not know their history think that Nigeria had everything going well until Jonathan came to power. The worst Nigerian leader ever in history is Babangida, Abacha, Obasanjo 2nd tenor and GEJ in that order. Jonathan worked very well only that he had opposition from the outset and being the first civilian born to a peasant family, to rule Nigeria, he could not muster enough courage to steer the ship of the nation. Exploiting GEJ weaknesses, many members of his cabinet did what other officials before them used to do - looting the treasury

I agree with you on this. We had very bad leaders. Jonathan joined them by not being able to set a standard for himself. Choosing a clear part to run would have been best for him but he followed a wrong path. All the sins of his subordinates we lay on him now for they were members of his cabinet. I wish am not saying this but it pained me Jonathan could not succeed in ruling well. I voted and begged friends and family to do same for him in 2011. All for good government. People are wise to know now when the government is not favourable to them. Their voice is power.

...and who can we say is the proponent of this malicious act if not Yoruba and their SW media. In the 1st republic it was the Yorubas, in the second republic it was still the Yorubas and Lagos-Ibadan media houses, and now it is still the Yorubas and their controlled media propagating that Jonathan destroyed Nigeria.

Why is the Yoruba race like this ehh? Before you attack me, just ask yourself one question. Is HuangCheng saying the truth? If yes then cure thyself if no then you can counter with facts cos i have my own facts.

PDP smashed my fingers-abagworo.
So wetin u come use dey type,ur teeth?

huangcheng:
...and who can we say is the proponent of this malicious act if not Yoruba and their SW media. In the 1st republic it was the Yorubas, in the second republic it was still the Yorubas and Lagos-Ibadan media houses, and now it is still the Yorubas and their controlled media propagating that Jonathan destroyed Nigeria.

Why is the Yoruba race like this ehh? Before you attack me, just ask yourself one question. Is HuangCheng saying the truth? If yes then cure thyself if no then you can counter with facts cos i have my own facts.

Bro I think you are full of bitterness and hate for some Yoruba folks or Yoruba tribe. Something must have happened somewhere to think a tribe is the reason for the downfall of Jonathan or his government. If you check statistics of vote in southwest for PDP you will discover it was not only Ibos in Lagos that voted for Jonathan. Do you recollect in 2011. Most Yoruba states did not have any presidential aspirant. They voted for Jonathan. It means they wouldn't want a man they all came together to promote and enthrone fail. Some of the Yorubas that are educated are not card carrying members even all the ones you reply on nairaland. They are people who reason on thought patterns. Why do you think they did not vote for Obasanjo despite being from Yoruba land. They did not just believe in him. I guarantee you Buhari is also on probation if he fails, they will sing for him as soon as they exhaust patience on him, you watch. Some media houses could have been paid or reported situations out of sentiments I will not argue on that but I want to burst you tot about Yorubas hating on Jonathan. He couldn't have been president at first without them. People want a saviour and they tot Jonathan was one. He didn't justify that in 4 yrs and all the news of large economy was negated by proceeds in their pocket, failed institutions here and there. News of large money stolen and negative reports in the press. People respond to proofs. It's only a fool that will doubt proofs. If I have light in my house 16 hrs I won't complain bro. If the roads are good and I see proofs of government projects on ground not on paper. With all remodelling of airport MM1 can still no boast of working air conditioning system. NoBody will tell you you are already in Nigeria by the heat and bad odour coming from the arrival hall. These are what the government of Jonathan was judged on. I bet people were expecting a real, touchable, feelable and seeable change.

Read this article to see the way forward for Nigeria!

https://www.nairaland.com/2584742/much-ado-corruption#37797254

pipeewa:
Bro I think you are full of bitterness and hate for some Yoruba folks or Yoruba tribe. Something must have happened somewhere to think a tribe is the reason for the downfall of Jonathan or his government. If you check statistics of vote in southwest for PDP you will discover it is not only Ibos in Lagos that voted for Jonathan. Do you recollect in 2011. Most Yoruba states did not have any presidential aspirant. They voted for Jonathan. It means they wouldn't want a man they all came together to promote and enthrone fail. Some of the Yorubas that are educated are not card carrying members even all the ones you reply on nairaland. They are people who reason on thought patterns. Why do you think they did not vote for Obasanjo despite being from Yoruba land. They did not just believe in him. Some media houses could have been paid or reported situations out of sentiments I will not argue on that but I want to burst you tot about Yorubas hating on Jonathan. He couldn't have been president at first without them. People want a saviour and they tot Jonathan was one. He didn't justify that in 4 yrs and all the news of large economy was negated by proceeds in their pocket, failed institutions here and there. News of large money stolen and negative reports in the press. People respond to proofs. It's only a fool that will doubt proofs. Especially where people are asking for it. This is what the government of Jonathan was judged on.

Who's talking about pre-election here? I'm talking about how Yorubas and their media houses propagate the falsehood that Jonathan destroyed Nigeria, like the economy was so good before GEJ came and destroyed it. They did the same with Abacha when he passed away, same thing they did before the build-up of the civil war. In case you have lost touch with history, let me refresh your memory.

It was the impunity and corruption in Government, the riots and crisis in the SW and the fight between Akintola and Chief Awolowo that made Nzeogwu, Adewale Ademoyega and other military officer stage a coup but Yorubas and their media outlets have made it seem like everything was nice and good until there was an "Igbo coup". Nobody talks about the corruption and impunity pre-1966 anymore courtesy of the sophisticated media of the SW.

It was also the destructive publications from the SW section of the media and the bad politics of some Yoruba moguls that created the avenue for the coups that ushered in IBB, Buhari, Abacha, and all other military heads of state in the 2nd republic but today the SW media has painted it like everything was good until Abacha came and destroyed Nigeria.

Same thing they are doing to GEJ's personality today and that is what the Op is trying to say. Every publication coming from the SW media today is somehow targeted at GEJ, even when he isn't involve they still find a way to lure him inside. You see publications like "GEJ's associate stole $2 billion", "GEJ minister decline invitation for probe" Thereby making it seem like Nigeria was an Utopia until GEJ destroyed it.

I have studied how Yorubas play politics for many years, it is disheartening. You Yorubas play destructive politics which is not healthy for a politically charged country like Nigeria. No wonder there was always riots and pandemonium in the SW in the early 70s and 80s.

huangcheng:
Who's talking about pre-election here? I'm talking about how Yorubas and their media houses propagate the falsehood that Jonathan destroyed Nigeria, like the economy was so good before GEJ came and destroyed it. They did the same with Abacha when he passed away, same thing they did before the build-up of the civil war. In case you have lost touch with history, let me refresh your memory.

It was the impunity and corruption in Government, the riots and crisis in the SW and the fight between Akintola and Chief Awolowo that made Nzeogwu, Adewale Ademoyega and other military officer stage a coup but Yorubas and their media outlets have made it seem like everything was nice and good until there was an "Igbo coup". Nobody talks about the corruption and impunity pre-1966 anymore courtesy of the sophisticated media of the SW.

It was also the destructive publications from the SW section of the media and the bad politics of some Yoruba moguls that created the avenue for the coups that ushered in IBB, Buhari, Abacha, and all other military heads of state in the 2nd republic but today the SW media has painted it like everything was good until Abacha came and destroyed Nigeria.

Same thing they are doing to GEJ's personality today and that is what the Op is trying to say. Every publication coming from the SW media today is somehow targeted at GEJ, even when he isn't involve they still find a way to lure him inside. You see publications like "GEJ's associate stole $2 billion", "GEJ minister decline invitation for probe" Thereby making it seem like Nigeria was an Utopia until GEJ destroyed it.

I have studied how Yorubas play politics for many years, it is disheartening. You Yorubas play destructive politics which is not healthy for a politically charged country like Nigeria. No wonder there was always riots and pandemonium in the SW in the early 70s and 80s.

I see where you are coming from, but unfortunately I don't base my action and thought on what someone did in the past. The only past story I love to read and learn from is the bible based on my belief. If you were born in 1966 good for you then you are old enof to tell me what happened then. But that I still view as past. Talking about now if a good number of people chose you in the past but later changed their mind to pick someone else. Then you should check yourself. The Yoruba media houses played a minor role in the fall of PDP as you must have learnt post election. And I am saying every evil that any of Jonathan men perpetuated in power would be laid on Jonathan cos he chose them. If they are wrongly accused the court is there to try them and if be treated thereafter as the case maybe. The whole matter is that this government feel Jonathan men stole with impunity and if some of the loot could be recovered then it could be channeled in the right places. Meanwhile, let the accused speak for themselves except you are an accomplice.

If i hear say u be die hard buharist.
Don't hide under any cloak of deceit.
You have the right to ur decision so come out boldly with it and know that some will criticize u while some will celebrate u.

pipeewa:
I see where you are coming from, but unfortunately I don't base my action and thought on what someone did in the past. The only past story I love to read and learn from is the bible based on my belief. If you were born in 1966 good for you then you are old enof to tell me what happened then. But that I still view as past. Talking about now if a good number of people chose you in the past but later changed their mind to pick someone else. Then you should check yourself. The Yoruba media houses played a minor role in the fall of PDP as you must have learnt post election. And I am saying every evil that any of Jonathan men perpetuated in power would be laid on Jonathan cos he chose them. If they are wrongly accused the court is there to try them and if be treated thereafter as the case maybe. The whole matter is that this government feel Jonathan men stole with impunity and if some of the loot could be recovered then it could be channeled in the right places. Meanwhile, let the accused speak for themselves except you are an accomplice.

I am not sure you read what i wrote or maybe you did not comprehend. Go back and read the OP-Ed then read my comments, then we can have a holistic debate on the subject. You're not following us, we're talking about character assassination, not PDP, APC or elections.

Whether they like it or not, GEJ remains a HERO. Yu all shud ask Temitemi1 he'll tell yu.


I'm yet to see Buhari with any tangible achievement in his 100days govt and counting...........

Some people derail a thread without good reasons. The topic of this thread is; GEJ could not salvage an already mismanaged nation. This should be seen as being different from; GEJ destroyed this nation. Some media houses and some group of citizens were accused of this misinformation.

lurther:
Shut the fuuuuuuck up. Don't ever regret supporting Buhari because he has dumped Ameachi your man.

You guys must finish what you started. Finish it and don't you ever shift the goal post.

You were among those. Demonising jonathan, or is it because Amaech has been used and dumped?

Did the guy just say he is non partisan?