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1) Quoting From Their Holy Book

Some theists quote scripture to non believers as if they were preaching to the pews. Either these theists don’t know their audience or just don’t care about the futility of their actions. Do Christians care what verse 67:10 of the Quran says? Would Jews renounce their faith and embrace Krishna if they read the Bhagavad Gita? The only people who care what a particular holy book says are those who already believe the book is holy.

2) You’re Going to Burn in Hell

That’s nice. Remind me to bring marshmallows and hot dogs. If I threaten someone with a stocking full of coal, would they be any more likely to believe in Santa? Threatening someone with something they don’t believe in won’t make them believe it.

3) You Can’t Prove God Doesn’t Exist

Well, that all depends on the kind of god being asserted. If a theist is proposing a god that split the moon in half about 1500 years ago then yes, that claim is falsified by the absence of any physical evidence the moon split and the absence of anyone else writing about it other than in the Quran. If someone is asserting a god who created two humans about 6,000 years ago from whom all of humanity is derived, we know that to be genetically impossible. But in general, this is simply shifting the burden of proof. Atheists don’t need to prove a god doesn’t exist anymore than you need to prove there isn’t an invisible dragon in my garage.

4) Everything is Subjective So Nothing You Say Matters

This one usually comes up in discussions on morality. Just because someone says morality is subjective does not mean everything else is. Sometimes it comes up when someone acknowledges perspective plays a role in how observations may be interpreted. But that doesn’t mean everything is subjective either. Flailing straw men around doesn’t help an argument. It just looks like you’re throwing a fit.

5) I’m Not Religious. I Have a Personal Relationship With God



J.Z. Knight is not insane. She just has a personal relationship with Ramtha, the spirit of a Lemurian warrior who fought Atlantis over 35,000 years ago. See how silly that sounds? Belief in a god is itself religious from the perspective of most atheists. Whether or not a theist belongs to a religious organization is a side issue.

6) Who Created the Universe, the Earth and the First People?

This is a complex question fallacy which assumes earth, the universe and people were all “created” and that they were created by a “who.” Obviously these are not assumptions atheists will share, just like adults don’t share the assumption of children who think people are trapped in the T.V. The term “created” is generally used to refer to existing material used in the construction of a new form. But that’s not what theists mean anyway.

These questions also represent an ignorance of geology, cosmology and biology. Atheists shouldn’t have to teach theists what is readily available through Google or any number of inexpensive courses available at your local community college.

7) Why Are There Still Monkeys?

Evolution works in mysterious ways. Or maybe evolution has nothing to do with humans coming from monkeys. Yeah, I’m pretty sure monkeys weren’t mentioned in my genetics course.

Evolution is about population genetics, a group that changes very slowly over time due to random mutation, genetic drift, survival, sexual selection and other factors. Human evolution is not about monkeys morphing into humans. It is not about a group of monkeys evolving into humans. It is about all apes, including humans, monkeys and gorillas, evolving from the same things over millions of years. The word “ape” may not generally be used by laymen to refer to humans, but science classifies all great apes—humans, orangutans, gorillas, chimps and bonobos—under the family Hominidae.

Theists who don’t understand evolution shouldn’t tout their ignorance. Attacking evolution doesn’t get anyone any closer to belief in a deity anyway. We can throw evolution right out the window and there still isn’t any evidence to justify belief in a deity.

I’ll Pray For You

They might as well just say “Bleep you.” That’s pretty much how many atheists interpret it. Atheists obviously don’t believe prayer accomplishes anything other than perhaps the same thought and self reflection everyone does anyway. Telling an atheist this would be meaningless if it weren’t for the fact that by repeating this to atheists so often, theists have proven prayer doesn’t work.

9) You Can See God in Everything


Even herpes? What about the flesh eating disease, Necrotizing fasciitis? I suppose if you were looking at it like a Rorschach test you might see God. Europeans thought they saw God in everything back in the 14th century. When the bubonic plague broke out, they figured God must be pretty pissed off so they went and started the Inquisition. Theists tend to talk about fluffier things when saying this though, like bunnies and flowers. Atheists see beauty in the world too, but we don’t need to attribute that to a god.



10) You Can’t See Air, But You Know It’s There, Just Like God

This one is actually taught in Islamic elementary schools. Sorry kids, but when you grow up and you’re still using the same arguments from elementary, that means you haven’t progressed any. We can detect and measure air. We can detect and measure the contents of air. If not seeing something is evidence it exists, there’s a bridge from Seattle to Tokyo I’d like to sell you.

Man made God in his own image. Then he wrote a book that says 'God made man in his own image.' Man is a liar. Has been and always will be.

IamAtribalist:
Man made God in his own image. Then he wrote a book that says 'God made man in his own image.' Man is a liar. Has been and always will be.

That's basically the truth, its just that only few of the population knows.

Nice work up there. If Niaraland is not belief-biased, this thread should make front page.

The Bible is the word of god because the Bible said that the Bible is the word of god.

Is this not madness?

IamAtribalist:
Man made God in his own image. Then he wrote a book that says 'God made man in his own image.' Man is a liar. Has been and always will be.

Some among us still hold humans in very high esteem. I don't know what it is. It's like they don't know that we're motivated by money and va)ginas.

theAtheist101:
Nice work up there. If Niaraland is not belief-biased, this thread should make front page.

I knew this wouldn't make front page, I also knew not a lot of people would comment on the thread. The truth they say is bitter, really wish a lot of us can witness the truth and stop wasting our precious time on myths.

Atheists should make a flyer of this and just hand it out when a theist wants to debate religion.

onetrack:
Atheists should make a flyer of this and just hand it out when a theist wants to debate religion.

You think that would work?

wordcat:
The Bible is the word of god because the Bible said that the Bible is the word of god.

Is this not madness?

it is madness indeed.

IamAtribalist:
Man made God in his own image. Then he wrote a book that says 'God made man in his own image.' Man is a liar. Has been and always will be.

premium stuff

@op, religion adherers are programmed to say these things, we were born and raised that way, and those of us who have reasoned out of these religious theories still partake and raise our kids that way.

I have problem with religion because i feel it has lost its human face, but i'm still raising my kids as christians, i would prefer them singing in the church than in clubs.

Op how were your parent raised?
How are you being raise?
How are you raising your kids or how do you intend to raise them?

urheme:
@op, religion adherers are programmed to say these things, we were born and raised that way, and those of us who have reasoned out of these religious theories still partake and raise our kids that way.

I have problem with religion because i feel it has lost its human face, but i'm still raising my kids as christians, i would prefer them singing in the church than in clubs.

Op how were your parent raised?
How are you being raise?
How are you raising your kids or how do you intend to raise them?

To be sincere, your question is very serious. I have thought of it and i have concluded to raise my kids the Christian way, but once they start to question the bible I would sincerely tell them to google, or we Google together, if they are still persistent after that, I would tell them the truth. Their being persistent means they are smart and telling them the truth is the only option after that.

Addietunes:
To be sincere, your question is very serious. I have thought of it and i have concluded to raise my kids the Christian way, but once they start to question the bible I would sincerely tell them to google, or we Google together, if they are still persistent after that, I would tell them the truth. Their being persistent means they are smart and telling them the truth is the only option after that.

Your kids will figure out what religion is all about, you don't need to tell them any truth, your own truth might be different from their's.

As you said you will raise them in a christian way, be happy when they say those silly things you posted up there.

IamAtribalist:
Man made God in his own image. Then he wrote a book that says 'God made man in his own image.' Man is a liar. Has been and always will be.

Thank God you said man and not woman,

I totally agree with you, men lie alot

theAtheist101:
Nice work up there. If Niaraland is not belief-biased, this thread should make front page.

You and i know that this thread is not worthy of front page.

Debating silly things, how does that benefit the general forum populace

urheme:
@op, religion adherers are programmed to say these things, we were born and raised that way, and those of us who have reasoned out of these religious theories still partake and raise our kids that way.

I totally disagree with this, you were subjected to unfair indoctrinations into these things, as you put it programmed with what to think and you want to subject your little ones to the same fate? No to me that's cruel.

I was born into that shackle and i tell you my children will not be subjected to any form of psychological shackle or abuse. I will allow them develop their own opinion, i will show them the world as it is at the same time encourage them to agree with things only when it conforms to their reason..

I have problem with religion because i feel it has lost its human face, but i'm still raising my kids as christians, i would prefer them singing in the church than in clubs.

[b]Threatening Children with the image of hell, teaching them dependency on abstract concept and all other psychological quagmire is one thing i will never subject my kids to..

Go to Nigerian Night Clubs i can bet that more than 96% of the people there are theists all raised Christians and stuff. i personally see no problem with someone going to a club to dance and have fun though i have never been to one, not that it is bad but because it is just the way my life is, i love serene environments though i will sure go to one anytime i feel like or want to.

So these kids raised christians and stuff but still end up in Night clubs shows that it is not about raising a kid the christian way, it is about knowing how to get to their young minds, it's about knowing how to show them the society for what it is and most of all teaching them to know what conforms to their reason.

Using threats (like hell as Christianity & Islam) employs in inciting morality into young lads simply is a psychological abuse on the young minds of these innocent ones because you are getting them to conform to your idea of morality with a factor of fear, that to me is immoral itself.

Teach the young ones to be NICE because it is good to be Nice to others. [/b]

Op how were your parent raised?

My parents were raised Christians

How are you being raise?

[b]I was born into Christiandom and i know the guilt and fear i grew up with, i remember the first day i kissed a girl as a 9year old kid (you know Children love ) That one act haunted my mind for years. The fear that i have done a terrible thing, the fearful thoughts of going to hell because i kissed a girl. (Worst of all the parents don't even know or notice their Children are going through these psychological trauma )

I won't have my Children go through same abuse, i won't let my Children grow up with an unfounded fear weighing heavily in their minds. i won't let my Children be discouraged of cultivating healthy questions and developing their own ideas, i won't lie to my Children by telling them that they are sinful, that they are terrible persons, broken, inherited the sins of some mythical jewish couples who ate an apple, or make them dependent on abstract concepts for favours.

No i will teach them that they are beautiful, strong, wonderful, great. i will teach them to be dependent on themselves, i will teach them the world is good and they should strive to be good to be sure the world is good.[/b]

How are you raising your kids or how do you intend to raise them?

[b]
I am an agnostic atheist but i will neither raise my Kids as atheists or theists. That ideology is for them to cultivate.
They need to see the world as it is then develop their own opinion. I can only teach them to always think but will never force or impose on them what i want them to think, they are the ones to decide and make their choices when they are old enough.

I intend to raise them to "Be Good for goodness sake" i intend to teach them to place humans first before ideas.

I intend to show them that only their actions towards others is what makes them either good or bad.

I intend to show them that their nature as humans is very beautiful, intelligent and strong.

And i will never teach them myths as truth or fables as truths But rather i will teach them myth as myth and fables as fables and reality as reality.

The young minds no nothing like hatred, intolerance, racism, sexism, indoctrination, bigotry, homophobia, prejudice, misogyny.

They do not yet understand things like Love, tolerance, joys, compassion, acceptance, human decency, empathy, integrity, beauty and truth.

nor disturbing emotions like fear, greed and jealousy.

For the first and most important formative years of their lives they will only know what you teach them.

So choose well.
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urheme:
You and i know that this thread is not worthy of front page.

Debating silly things, how does that benefit the general forum populace

Here is my reply:

Addietunes:
I knew this wouldn't make front page, I also knew not a lot of people would comment on the thread. The truth they say is bitter, really wish a lot of us can witness the truth and stop wasting our precious time on myths.

The op over killed the thread, and he didn't leave anything for you lot to argue on. Since the mods are only interested in what would generate traffic to this site, the populace is left with threads where some celebrities (whose pu@@ies they would not fu@k) reveal some cleavages.

Addietunes:
You think that would work?

Well, at least it would let the theist know that certain arguments aren't going to work. It would save a lot of time rather than going through the same tired old points again and again.

johnydon22:
I totally disagree with this, you were subjected to unfair indoctrinations into these things, as you put it programmed with what to think and you want to subject your little ones to the same fate? No to me that's cruel.

I was born into that shackle and i tell you my children will not be subjected to any form of psychological shackle or abuse. I will allow them develop their own opinion, i will show them the world as it is at the same time encourage them to agree with things only when it conforms to their reason..


[b]Threatening Children with the image of hell, teaching them dependency on abstract concept and all other psychological quagmire is one thing i will never subject my kids to..

Go to Nigerian Night Clubs i can bet that more than 96% of the people there are theists all raised Christians and stuff. i personally see no problem with someone going to a club to dance and have fun though i have never been to one, not that it is bad but because it is just the way my life is, i love serene environments though i will sure go to one anytime i feel like or want to.

So these kids raised christians and stuff but still end up in Night clubs shows that it is not about raising a kid the christian way, it is about knowing how to get to their young minds, it's about knowing how to show them the society for what it is and most of all teaching them to know what conforms to their reason.

Using threats (like hell as Christianity & Islam) employs in inciting morality into young lads simply is a psychological abuse on the young minds of these innocent ones because you are getting them to conform to your idea of morality with a factor of fear, that to me is immoral itself.

Teach the young ones to be NICE because it is good to be Nice to others. [/b]

My parents were raised Christians

[b]I was born into Christiandom and i know the guilt and fear i grew up with, i remember the first day i kissed a girl as a 9year old kid (you know Children love ) That one act haunted my mind for years. The fear that i have done a terrible thing, the fearful thoughts of going to hell because i kissed a girl. (Worst of all the parents don't even know or notice their Children are going through these psychological trauma )

I won't have my Children go through same abuse, i won't let my Children grow up with an unfounded fear weighing heavily in their minds. i won't let my Children be discouraged of cultivating healthy questions and developing their own ideas, i won't lie to my Children by telling them that they are sinful, that they are terrible persons, broken, inherited the sins of some mythical jewish couples who ate an apple, or make them dependent on abstract concepts for favours.

No i will teach them that they are beautiful, strong, wonderful, great. i will teach them to be dependent on themselves, i will teach them the world is good and they should strive to be good to be sure the world is good.[/b]
[b]
I am an agnostic atheist but i will neither raise my Kids as atheists or theists. That ideology is for them to cultivate.
They need to see the world as it is then develop their own opinion. I can only teach them to always think but will never force or impose on them what i want them to think, they are the ones to decide and make their choices when they are old enough.

I intend to raise them to "Be Good for goodness sake" i intend to teach them to place humans first before ideas.

I intend to show them that only their actions towards others is what makes them either good or bad.

I intend to show them that their nature as humans is very beautiful, intelligent and strong.

And i will never teach them myths as truth or fables as truths But rather i will teach them myth as myth and fables as fables and reality as reality.

The young minds no nothing like hatred, intolerance, racism, sexism, indoctrination, bigotry, homophobia, prejudice, misogyny.

They do not yet understand things like Love, tolerance, joys, compassion, acceptance, human decency, empathy, integrity, beauty and truth.

nor disturbing emotions like fear, greed and jealousy.

For the first and most important formative years of their lives they will only know what you teach them.

So choose well.
[/b]

Don't worry

When you start parenting you will change your mind or your wife will, that i know for sure,

Your parent had no choice but to raise you A christian, i'm a parent and i had no choice but to raise mine so, back then i did Bk in school because it was compulsory for my career and as i'm typing this post my children are taught BK in school.

Religion practically features in all aspect of our economy, it must get you somehow.

urheme:
Don't worry

When you start parenting you will change your mind or your wife will, that i know for sure,

I will change my mind? You practically don't know me. it doesn't take much for anybody to relate to everything i wrote up there. I can never ret_ard or employ such abuse on my Children, i will never make the same mistakes my parents made.

I was a victim of this and subjecting my children to the same cruel fate when i myself know the effect will only be a blatant show of abject idiocy

Your parent had no choice but to raise you A christian, i'm a parent and i had no choice but to raise mine so, back then i did Bk in school because it was compulsory for my career and as i'm typing this post my children are taught BK in school.

[b]My Parents are still victims of the same indoctrination sadly. So they practically have no choice. The parent of that muslim guy or girl out there are still victims of the same delusion and so has no choice.

I on the other hand, i have every choice. You are right religion comes to me everywhere and that is why i refute it

My Children surely will learn how to think for themselves and ask questions. I can never murder the intellectual evolution of my kind my indoctrinating them with unfounded myths.

You as a parent have a choice that you made the choice you made is your business with that of your wife.

One thing is certain, the Christian and Muslim ideologies are both abusive and dangerous to a Child's mind and i find it wrong to subject my kids to such. My kids will never grow with the fear of anything. Not the fear of me or the fear of a deity or a burning furnace waiting for them... So if you choose to subject your kids to that sort of abuse, that is you not me.

It is sad that you cannot independently raise your Children without resorting to psychological channeling and unfounded delusion. . . [/b]

Religion practically features in all aspect of our economy, it must get you somehow.

Never

It got to me and i broke free, i was indoctrinated into it but all my life i have always been different. I have always taken my mind further and in so doing i allowed my reason come first.

Now all the indoctrinations practically has no effect what so ever on me, i myself unbound myself what my parents could not do because sadly they too were victims like me.

johnydon22:
I totally disagree with this, you were subjected to unfair indoctrinations into these things, as you put it programmed with what to think and you want to subject your little ones to the same fate? No to me that's cruel.

I was born into that shackle and i tell you my children will not be subjected to any form of psychological shackle or abuse. I will allow them develop their own opinion, i will show them the world as it is at the same time encourage them to agree with things only when it conforms to their reason..


[b]Threatening Children with the image of hell, teaching them dependency on abstract concept and all other psychological quagmire is one thing i will never subject my kids to..

Go to Nigerian Night Clubs i can bet that more than 96% of the people there are theists all raised Christians and stuff. i personally see no problem with someone going to a club to dance and have fun though i have never been to one, not that it is bad but because it is just the way my life is, i love serene environments though i will sure go to one anytime i feel like or want to.

So these kids raised christians and stuff but still end up in Night clubs shows that it is not about raising a kid the christian way, it is about knowing how to get to their young minds, it's about knowing how to show them the society for what it is and most of all teaching them to know what conforms to their reason.

Using threats (like hell as Christianity & Islam) employs in inciting morality into young lads simply is a psychological abuse on the young minds of these innocent ones because you are getting them to conform to your idea of morality with a factor of fear, that to me is immoral itself.

Teach the young ones to be NICE because it is good to be Nice to others. [/b]

My parents were raised Christians

[b]I was born into Christiandom and i know the guilt and fear i grew up with, i remember the first day i kissed a girl as a 9year old kid (you know Children love ) That one act haunted my mind for years. The fear that i have done a terrible thing, the fearful thoughts of going to hell because i kissed a girl. (Worst of all the parents don't even know or notice their Children are going through these psychological trauma )

I won't have my Children go through same abuse, i won't let my Children grow up with an unfounded fear weighing heavily in their minds. i won't let my Children be discouraged of cultivating healthy questions and developing their own ideas, i won't lie to my Children by telling them that they are sinful, that they are terrible persons, broken, inherited the sins of some mythical jewish couples who ate an apple, or make them dependent on abstract concepts for favours.

No i will teach them that they are beautiful, strong, wonderful, great. i will teach them to be dependent on themselves, i will teach them the world is good and they should strive to be good to be sure the world is good.[/b]
[b]
I am an agnostic atheist but i will neither raise my Kids as atheists or theists. That ideology is for them to cultivate.
They need to see the world as it is then develop their own opinion. I can only teach them to always think but will never force or impose on them what i want them to think, they are the ones to decide and make their choices when they are old enough.

I intend to raise them to "Be Good for goodness sake" i intend to teach them to place humans first before ideas.

I intend to show them that only their actions towards others is what makes them either good or bad.

I intend to show them that their nature as humans is very beautiful, intelligent and strong.

And i will never teach them myths as truth or fables as truths But rather i will teach them myth as myth and fables as fables and reality as reality.

The young minds no nothing like hatred, intolerance, racism, sexism, indoctrination, bigotry, homophobia, prejudice, misogyny.

They do not yet understand things like Love, tolerance, joys, compassion, acceptance, human decency, empathy, integrity, beauty and truth.

nor disturbing emotions like fear, greed and jealousy.

For the first and most important formative years of their lives they will only know what you teach them.

So choose well.
[/b]

I really wish I could do that, but lets face reality, we live in a country where religion is the order of the day, if you try to bring up a child in an atheist way, the child would be seen as a fool in the mist of his theist friends, which would reflect negatively on the child. Apart from that its also rare to find a suitable atheist wife to marry. Over 90% of ladies out there are religious, the idea of not following your wife to church is not only the issue but this time your kids are included. Your kids would be taught in church and in school CRK, which is a compulsory subject, at least to an extent. The only way to come about this is to let your kids decide when they grow into their late teen years, by then they would have been mature enough to understand the truth. Finally, with the way atheists are increasing lately, something tells me our kids won't get that old before they know the truth.

Addietunes:
I really wish I could do that, but lets face reality, we live in a country where religion is the order of the day, if you try to bring up a child in an atheist way, the child would be seen as a fool in the mist of his theist friends, which would reflect negatively on the child. Apart from that its also rare to find a suitable atheist wife to marry. Over 90% of ladies out there are religious, the idea of not following your wife to church is not only the issue but this time your kids are included. Your kids would be taught in church and in school CRK, which is a compulsory subject, at least to an extent. The only way to come about this is to let your kids decide when they grow into their late teen years, by then they would have been mature enough to understand the truth. Finally, with the way atheists are increasing lately, something tells me our kids won't get that old before they know the truth.

From the post

I am an agnostic atheist but i will neither raise my Kids as [size=16]atheists or
theists. That ideology is for them to cultivate.[/size]

They need to see the world as it is then develop their own opinion.

I can only teach them to always think but will never force or impose on them
what i want them to think, they are the ones to decide and make their
choices when they are old enough.

So this is where the fellowship is?
Anyway, one silly thing atheists say, and it gets boring. You all know the silly thing you say, don't be shy. Okay, lemme help the slow ones among you, " there's no God".

urheme:
Don't worry

When you start parenting you will change your mind or your wife will, that i know for sure,

Your parent had no choice but to raise you A christian, i'm a parent and i had no choice but to raise mine so, back then i did Bk in school because it was compulsory for my career and as i'm typing this post my children are taught BK in school.

R[b]eligion practically features in all aspect of our economy, it must get you somehow.
[/b]

Such a naive post.

How does religion practically feature in all aspects of our economy?