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The Bible Says God Was Imperfect, Ignorant And Disobedient by Rilwon: 8:52am On Sep 13, 2015 |
Theists tend to believe that God is perfect and without flaw, and this is a belief that many Christians share. The New Testament expresses this belief, it mentions: “Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” – Matthew 5:48. It should be noted that this verse specifies that only one person of the three persons of the Trinity is perfect. I found this to be odd. Why doesn’t the verse say, “as the Son, Holy Spirit and Father are perfect?” Why does the verse only declare the Father to be perfect? Does this mean that the Son, is imperfect? As it turns out, it does mean that. The Bible explicitly teaches that the Son, who is a God, is imperfect and had to be made perfect, God had to become perfect. That’s quite a strange idea. How can God be flawed? When we read Hebrews 5:8-9 , this is exactly what it teaches. The passages say: Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him. There are quite a few things we learn from this passage. * God the Son, had to learn to be obedient and was thus disobedient at first. * God the Son, was imperfect and had to become perfect. * God the Son, could not grant salvation until He became perfect. We should take note, that the passage begins with “Son though he was”, therefore qualifying that despite he is a God, these things happened. The author specifically uses this phrase to denote that the deity is being referred to, and that it is the deity of the Son which had to learn and become perfect. What is problematic is that according to the Trinitarian dogma,each person in the Godhead is co-equal. Therefore, if the Father is perfect, then the Son should be perfect too. However, as we have just learned, this is not the case. The New Testament explicitly states that the Son was imperfect, had to be made perfect, had to suffer and only when he suffered, then he was able to grant salvation. The New Testament teaches that God could not grant salvation of His own will, because He was flawed and imperfect.. |
Re: The Bible Says God Was Imperfect, Ignorant And Disobedient by kiddkash(m): 8:54am On Sep 13, 2015 |
hmmm |
Re: The Bible Says God Was Imperfect, Ignorant And Disobedient by Nobody: 8:59am On Sep 13, 2015 |
weed n bible aint good combo. |
Re: The Bible Says God Was Imperfect, Ignorant And Disobedient by Rilwon: 9:02am On Sep 13, 2015 |
DDeliverer: |
Re: The Bible Says God Was Imperfect, Ignorant And Disobedient by Rilwon: 9:04am On Sep 13, 2015 |
lalasticlala |
Re: The Bible Says God Was Imperfect, Ignorant And Disobedient by Tallesty1(m): 9:06am On Sep 13, 2015 |
Do you know who the son was before coming to earth?? It will help you to understand that passage. 1 Like |
Re: The Bible Says God Was Imperfect, Ignorant And Disobedient by OVI75(m): 9:12am On Sep 13, 2015 |
U lack spiritual understanding,or may be worse!u lack simple grammatical understanding as well.first and foremost you are a confused muslim(Rilwon) so i don't realy blame you much.the bible was saying in hebrews thatJesus(son)though he was(perfect )learned obedience from what he suffered(the cross)you must know that Jesus was human in this world(thus having the tendency to be disobedient)yet submitted himself to what he could refused,by virtue of his power.so the prelude 'though he was'and learned does not mean he was imperfect and disobedient. 1 Like |
Re: The Bible Says God Was Imperfect, Ignorant And Disobedient by Rilwon: 9:20am On Sep 13, 2015 |
OVI75: |
Re: The Bible Says God Was Imperfect, Ignorant And Disobedient by Nobody: 9:25am On Sep 13, 2015 |
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the SON OF MAN, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? |
Re: The Bible Says God Was Imperfect, Ignorant And Disobedient by Dekatron(m): 9:31am On Sep 13, 2015 |
Baba rilwon, please tell mohammed he is a piece of shiit. I wonder how I can slaughter a fellow human cos of JIHAD & still not eat pork. Mohammed fvcked us up sooooooo bad that I wish I could go back in time After all, Christians are just plain foolish and gullible. They are not bloodthirsty like most Muslim BTW, I am an atheist. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Bible Says God Was Imperfect, Ignorant And Disobedient by malvisguy212: 9:53am On Sep 13, 2015 |
Rilwon:let me add this. Luke 6:36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. Does this mean Jesus is not merciful ? Were are the evidence that Jesus is not perfect or merciful in the bible ? Let us read from verse 43 to 48. Matthew 5:43-48 You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Jesus clarified that the commandment that say we are to Love those who love us and hate those who hate us is not a big deal, even the pagan do the same , then he went on to teach the people on how to attained perfection : " THEREFORE YOU are to be perfect AS your heavenly Father is perfect." So the flow of the paragraph could be summarized as follows: You have heard "love with partiality" but I say to you "love impartially" so you can be sons of the Father; for the Father loves impartially. If you love with partiality,you are nothing special... even the wicked do that.Therefore, you are to love perfectly as the Father loves perfectly. Note: Jesus is teaching in matthew 5, you cannot teach what you don't have. |
Re: The Bible Says God Was Imperfect, Ignorant And Disobedient by malvisguy212: 9:55am On Sep 13, 2015 |
lexiconkabir:so therefore... |
Re: The Bible Says God Was Imperfect, Ignorant And Disobedient by Rilwon: 10:07am On Sep 13, 2015 |
Dekatron: lol Some xtians would be hitting like on this troll's post forgetting that he called dem 'foolish and gullible'. |
Re: The Bible Says God Was Imperfect, Ignorant And Disobedient by Dekatron(m): 10:17am On Sep 13, 2015 |
Rilwon:yes, they are foolish and gullible for christ. And you are bloodthirsty for Allah |
Re: The Bible Says God Was Imperfect, Ignorant And Disobedient by Rilwon: 10:28am On Sep 13, 2015 |
Dekatron: Clown! |
Re: The Bible Says God Was Imperfect, Ignorant And Disobedient by Nobody: 10:28am On Sep 13, 2015 |
This should be a thread by an islamist. Anyway christianity has been polluted which makes jick and jack say trash. Hear the truth, there is nothing like God the father, God the son, God the holyspirit. Bible never called the son and holyspirit as God. Jesus himself do pray to God and does nothing except he gets order from God. Jesus only told his disciples to baptise in the name of the Father, son and Holyspirit. Nothing like trinity. It was after Jesus fufilled his work on earth that God gave him power. He said all power in heaven and on earth has been given unto him when he was about to return to heaven. Dont mind those thieves who teaches rubbish because of money. |
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