₦airaland Forum

AZeD1:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngozi_Okonjo-Iweala

Thats a link to her page. I dare you to find one reference to the word "PDP" on that page.

I would like to believe you are using a JAVA browser. Because you don't want to know my alternate perception of you

AZeD1:
I suggest you take a course in logic.
The "Ministers of the federation are partisan in scope" is wrong because you cannot prove it and i cannot take your word because it means nada.

The fact that a minister was appointed by a president doesn't mean the minister is loyal to the president.

1. I won't argue with you anymore on the partisanship of ministers.

2. Ministers SWEAR oath of allegance to the President FIRST and another to the country. Every minister MUST be loyal to the President (the occupant). The ministers are Officers of the President and the government.

I'm done arguing with Ýou

TonyeBarcanista:
1. I won't argue with you anymore on the partisanship of ministers.

2[b]. Ministers SWEAR oath of allegance to the President FIRST[/b] and another to the country. Every minister MUST be loyal to the President (the occupant). The ministers are Officers of the President and the government.

I'm done arguing with Ýou

Where, in the presidents shine?

But is Buhari not minister for tourism?

mrvitalis:
Tonye... the fact that people actually praise ur analysis shows the level of decay in Nigerian educational system
Let me educate u a little bit
1) a minister is a mere representative of the president in that ministry
2) the president can pass his directives or give instructions based on his manifesto to any ministery WITH OR WITHOUT A MINISTER
3) ministers are only needed when the president wants to reduce the work load on him.... And if the president is not complaining..... I wonder y u should.. ....
..

I think that level of decay in the education sector is been displayed by You!

mrvitalis:
Tonye... the fact that people actually praise ur analysis shows the level of decay in Nigerian educational system
Let me educate u a little bit
1) a minister is a mere representative of the president in that ministry
2) the president can pass his directives or give instructions based on his manifesto to any ministery WITH OR WITHOUT A MINISTER
3) ministers are only needed when the president wants to reduce the work load on him.... And if the president is not complaining..... I wonder y u should.. ....
..

The ministers should be part time.

why not post the entire article before your write up....

continue on your hopeless journey; PMB will succeed and make Nigeria better whether you like it or not

badmrkt:
Buhari would one day eat his words. He keeps spewing trash every here and there, feeling like he owns every Nigerian.. .

Go die if na so e pain you.

TonyeBarcanista:
My master, abeg the glory goes to God and all of us. Thanks Sir!

I am in full support of the obliteration of the APC e-rats

The are being deceived by the APC propaganda machinery and his cohorts

Only in Nigeria will a man with a questionable certificate be running a one-man show n calling ministers noise makers smh


Worse still, the so called educated ones are busy defending his utterance

Only in Naija

TonyeBarcanista:
1. Ministers are not 'mere' representatives. You gotta read
2. The constitution and relevant laws still specified some duties of the minister. For instance, the Attoney-General must give a go-ahead before any Security Agency can prosecute any case. The Petroleum minister is the statutory chairperson of NNPC. The aforementioned roles cannot be performed by the President except he takes charge of the ministries like Obj did.
3. No sane government function without cabinet. Go figure!

Finally, I won't hesitate to ignore you indefinitely should you reply will abusive word(s).

Just ans this. ... what can a minister do that a perm sec can't do.. .. Am waiting for the ans?

Splashme:


Constitutionally, the president needs a FEDERAL EXECUTIVE COUNCIL (FEC) for various levels of approvals. FEC is composed of the president and his ministers and others

Barcanista is far more intelligent than you. You are angry with him because he criticises Buhari not because he doesn't make intelligent aguments

Sir... . Tell me were the constitution said. .. without the ministers.. . FEC won't be effective.. .. ... ministers are important... But not a necessity

No sane president could alter dos words.

kITATITA:
Barcanistar really thinks that the President or anybody in government is reading his gibberish. I've seen him at various times call himself opposition, analyst, etc. He's non of these; just a floater fighting for his daily bread. But employers these days check the social network ID of prospective employees. The question is, will you employ Barcanistar if he walks into your office for a job? I think the minion, who posits nothing and represents nothing has a long dwelling on Nairaland for food.

Inasmuch as I'm not a fan of the op, I think leaving the meat of the thread to attack his person is lame,

mrvitalis:
Tonye... the fact that people actually praise ur analysis shows the level of decay in Nigerian educational system
Let me educate u a little bit
1) a minister is a mere representative of the president in that ministry
2) the president can pass his directives or give instructions based on his manifesto to any ministery WITH OR WITHOUT A MINISTER
3) ministers are only needed when the president wants to reduce the work load on him.... And if the president is not complaining..... I wonder y u should.. ....
..

The constitution makes it mandatory for the President to appoint ministers (with the consent of the Senate. Although the president is the Chief executive, he still has to follow the law.
And by law and convention, the minister is the head of a ministry; a perm sec (if there is a minister) cannot directly submit a memo to the president without going through the minister.

mrvitalis:
Tonye... the fact that people actually praise ur analysis shows the level of decay in Nigerian educational system
Let me educate u a little bit
1) a minister is a mere representative of the president in that ministry
2) the president can pass his directives or give instructions based on his manifesto to any ministery WITH OR WITHOUT A MINISTER
3) ministers are only needed when the president wants to reduce the work load on him.... And if the president is not complaining..... I wonder y u should.. ....
..

So, there should be no ministers? Do u know why u are an illiterate? 'Cos u didn't understand TonyeBarcanista's 2nd paragraph, where he highlighted the role of ministers? Do u really know what policy formulation is? Are u sure u know the process? Ministers are policy makers, while civil servants implement those polices, under the watchful eyes of ministers. Merging the two processes will be counter-productive. U are an illiterate.

That's the problem with some people. Even Local Government Chairmen appoint supervisors (Minister equivalent at Local Government Level). Without a minister all we'll be having is Sole-Administratorship where the President issues directives to civil servants

Nigeria36:
So, there should be no ministers? Do u know why u are an illiterate? 'Cos u didn't understand TonyeBarcanista's 2nd paragraph, where he highlighted the role of ministers? Do u really know what policy formulation is? Are u sure u know the process? Ministers are policy makers, while civil servants implement those polices, under the watchful eyes of ministers. Merging the two processes will be counter-productive. U are an illiterate.

Ok

Ok, check my signature first.

. LMAO

Buhari is delaying his ambition to become Special assistant to a minister.

Before you start feeling cool, ministers are simply the representative of the president in those ministry and there is nothing they do that permanent secs can not achieve. They are simply a political version of perm secs.

Brother, go get a job. Nigeria is not oweing you and you are too young to waste your life.

TonyeBarcanista:
I'm compelled to write this piece not to spite President Muhammadu Buhari but to cure his misconception of ministers. Earlier today, Mr President was quoted to have made a statement that suggest that ministers are not to relevant in the running of government. According to President Buhari


UNDERSTANDING Ministers and Civil Servants Roles:
Ministers:
Firstly, we have to appreciate the purpose of ministers of the federation. We all we agree that all political parties and candidates standing for elections come with their own program and agenda. These programs are highlighted in their respective document called their Manifesto. The Manifesto is usually in concordance with the overall ideology of the respective parties. When a party's Presidential candidate get elected, he assemble a team of men and women of intellectual standing and believers of his vision to help formulate policies, supervise implementations and defend these policies before the public to actualise the vision and fulfil the President's electoral programs. These group of people are called Ministers. The loyalty of the ministers are to the occupant of the President's office, the country and in most cases the ruling party. Ministers sit and deliberate on policy issues and strategy with the president

Civil Servants:
Every country have a workforce that carry out day-2-day activities of the government in power. We all agree that it is impossible for every government to come on board with their own workforce every 4-8years, hence the country provide for a 'permanent' workforce that will work with every administration. This workforce is called the Civil Service. They are non-partisan career people. They are not to help any political party or candidate formulate policies but are to work with every ruling party and administration to IMPLEMENT policies. They are technocrats and bureaucrats. Their loyalty is not to the ruling party or individual in power but to the "Office of the President" and the Country. They have NO business deliberating on policy issues and strategy with the president or his party. They only take instruction. Let's see a case study...

Case Study: Petroleum Ministry
In the Ministry of Petroleum Resources, there is the Minister, the Permanent Secretary and career Civil Servants, and other agencies and department (eg NNPC, PPPRA etc) under the ministry.

The Minister sit with the President to formulate policies and programs for the sector in line with the President's agenda. S/he prepares budget for the ministry, see to the implementation of this program/policies (supervision) and is answerable to the President, the party and the public. Statutorily, S/he is the Chairperson of the NNPC. She also supervises other department and agencies under her ministry on behalf of the President.


The Permanent Secretary is the Account officer of the ministry and most senior civil servant(rank) in the ministry. S/he is responsible for the implementation of the Minister's policies/program. S/he is the head of the ministerial tender board BUT any contract approved by the board has to be countersigned by the minister (to ensure that they are in tune with the Minister's/President's agenda). He/she is not a member of the Cabinet, neither can S/he replace the minister as the Chairperson of NNPC except S/he resigns and is appointed minister thereafter.


The roles of the minister and permanent secretary are distinct and straight forward. The importance of ministers cannot be over-emphasised. It is instructive to note that Nigeria is not an isolated case when it comes to ministers/permanent secretaries. The United States for instance have Under-Secretaries, which is Nigeria equivalent of Permanent Secretaries, and Secretaries which is ministers equivalent.

Contraty to Buhari's perception, ministers are not for 'noisemaking', neither are they meant to 'fill space' except the incompetent and clueless ones. Without cabinet ministers, a country will be likened to one on 'Auto-piloting'. More importantly, our constitution provide for offices of Ministers just as it provide for the offices of the President and Vice President.

To be fair with the President, his perception of Ministers is inappropriate. I wonder what prompted him to utter such statement when he was a former minister under the General Olusegun Obasanjo military regime between 1977-79. Is he trying to say that he was a 'noisemaking' minister in General Obasanjo cabinet?


May God Bless Us All

Nothing in what you wrote negates what was allegedly said by Buhari.

Nigeria has been functioning perfectly well without Ministers.

The civil service branch can run the government without noise polluting minister.

mrvitalis:
Tonye... the fact that people actually praise ur analysis shows the level of decay in Nigerian educational system
Let me educate u a little bit
1) a minister is a mere representative of the president in that ministry
2) the president can pass his directives or give instructions based on his manifesto to any ministery WITH OR WITHOUT A MINISTER
3) ministers are only needed when the president wants to reduce the work load on him.... And if the president is not complaining..... I wonder y u should.. ....
..

People are actually waking up and already know that he is just a campaign tool and a hungry politician.

Despite the multiple account he operates, ur comment doubling his own after 4 pages is an indication that people are getting to know the loser he is.

Why do you always make fp with your trash always seeking for attention barcanister you are too old to be young

Wow! truth or Insult to them?

mrvitalis:
Tonye... the fact that people actually praise ur analysis shows the level of decay in Nigerian educational system
Let me educate u a little bit
1) a minister is a mere representative of the president in that ministry
2) the president can pass his directives or give instructions based on his manifesto to any ministery WITH OR WITHOUT A MINISTER
3) ministers are only needed when the president wants to reduce the work load on him.... And if the president is not complaining..... I wonder y u should.. ....
..

Shot that ur pit called mouth Uup....

Buhari biigot....!!

kITATITA:
Barcanistar really thinks that the President or anybody in government is reading his gibberish. I've seen him at various times call himself opposition, analyst, etc. He's non of these; just a floater fighting for his daily bread. But employers these days check the social network ID of prospective employees. The question is, will you employ Barcanistar if he walks into your office for a job? I think the minion, who posits nothing and represents nothing has a long dwelling on Nairaland for food.

Brother forget the person behind the moniker, let's talk about what he wrote up there. Do you have any opinion that is contrary to his opinion? if you don't have any which I know you don't then keep quiet and learn. Even Rawani made his point without talking about the op.

Baba is just playing mind games with the incoming ministers. He wants the best from them and doesn't expect them to go the way of past ministers.

It's unfortunate Nigeria is filled with sentimental minds.

mrvitalis:
I will take u serious the day u ask Jonathan to <<<declear>>> his asset after leaving office

declear?

mrvitalis:
Tonye... the fact that people actually praise ur analysis shows the level of decay in Nigerian educational system
Let me educate u a little bit
1) a minister is a mere representative of the president in that ministry
2) the president can pass his directives or give instructions based on his manifesto to any ministery WITH OR WITHOUT A MINISTER
3) ministers are only needed when the president wants to reduce the work load on him.... And if the president is not complaining..... I wonder y u should.. ....
..

[size=18pt]I support PMB 100%.

“The ministers are there, I think, to make a lot of noise; for the politicians to make a lot of noise. But the work is being done by the technocrats"

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Mogidi:
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Get lost

U re part of the decay in our system so gerrout

Mogidi:
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Get lost

U re part of the decay in our system so gerrout