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mrvitalis:
Tonye... the fact that people actually praise ur analysis shows the level of decay in Nigerian educational system
Let me educate u a little bit
1) a minister is a mere representative of the president in that ministry
2) the president can pass his directives or give instructions based on his manifesto to any ministery WITH OR WITHOUT A MINISTER
3) ministers are only needed when the president wants to reduce the work load on him.... And if the president is not complaining..... I wonder y u should.. ....
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hinwazaka:
Learn about what you intend to speak about. The constitution mandates that for someone to be made a minister he must meet the same criteria that is mandated for a senator. He must be a member of a political party and must be well known to the political class. So PMB can not make a Perm.sec a minister.

dearpreye:
When you're willing to pass a comment without being unnecessarily condescending, I can start listening.

Thanks!

EgunMogaji:
Nothing in what you wrote negates what was allegedly said by Buhari.

Nigeria has been functioning perfectly well without Ministers.

The civil service branch can run the government without noise polluting minister.

in a democratic government?

naijadeyhia:

I didn't know you were that low for me to have to condescend.

mrvitalis:
Tonye... the fact that people actually praise ur analysis shows the level of decay in Nigerian educational system
Let me educate u a little bit
1) a minister is a mere representative of the president in that ministry
2) the president can pass his directives or give instructions based on his manifesto to any ministery WITH OR WITHOUT A MINISTER
3) ministers are only needed when the president wants to reduce the work load on him.... And if the president is not complaining..... I wonder y u should.. ....
..

dearpreye:
OK! Bye.

lastpage:
[s]Ministers are mere political appointments, used for political "patronage and compensation".
Some of them have zero-knowledge of their Ministry (Like Stealer Oduah!, FFK in Aviation) and end-up being the "tool of corruption" of such ministry.
It is the long-standing Technocrats who actually do the "nitty-gritty job' required to move the nation forward.



Lastapge!




BTW: Dont mind Barcanista.
He is appearing more and more to be acting like someone looking for a Govt job....... by just criticising the Govt left, right and center!

Reminds me of Reuben Abatti and Segun Adeniyi (both Newspaper Noise makers who ended-up being called to become Government spokesperson LIARS!

He name is even now Tonye Barcanista .... and he is located in Abuja! [/s]

u are so PAINED!

TonyeBarcanista:
I'm compelled to write this piece not to spite President Muhammadu Buhari but to cure his misconception of ministers. Earlier today, Mr President was quoted to have made a statement that suggest that ministers are not to relevant in the running of government. According to President Buhari


UNDERSTANDING Ministers and Civil Servants Roles:
Ministers:
Firstly, we have to appreciate the purpose of ministers of the federation. We all we agree that all political parties and candidates standing for elections come with their own program and agenda. These programs are highlighted in their respective document called their Manifesto. The Manifesto is usually in concordance with the overall ideology of the respective parties. When a party's Presidential candidate get elected, he assemble a team of men and women of intellectual standing and believers of his vision to help formulate policies, supervise implementations and defend these policies before the public to actualise the vision and fulfil the President's electoral programs. These group of people are called Ministers. The loyalty of the ministers are to the occupant of the President's office, the country and in most cases the ruling party. Ministers sit and deliberate on policy issues and strategy with the president

Civil Servants:
Every country have a workforce that carry out day-2-day activities of the government in power. We all agree that it is impossible for every government to come on board with their own workforce every 4-8years, hence the country provide for a 'permanent' workforce that will work with every administration. This workforce is called the Civil Service. They are non-partisan career people. They are not to help any political party or candidate formulate policies but are to work with every ruling party and administration to IMPLEMENT policies. They are technocrats and bureaucrats. Their loyalty is not to the ruling party or individual in power but to the "Office of the President" and the Country. They have NO business deliberating on policy issues and strategy with the president or his party. They only take instruction. Let's see a case study...

Case Study: Petroleum Ministry
In the Ministry of Petroleum Resources, there is the Minister, the Permanent Secretary and career Civil Servants, and other agencies and department (eg NNPC, PPPRA etc) under the ministry.

The Minister sit with the President to formulate policies and programs for the sector in line with the President's agenda. S/he prepares budget for the ministry, see to the implementation of this program/policies (supervision) and is answerable to the President, the party and the public. Statutorily, S/he is the Chairperson of the NNPC. She also supervises other department and agencies under her ministry on behalf of the President.


The Permanent Secretary is the Account officer of the ministry and most senior civil servant(rank) in the ministry. S/he is responsible for the implementation of the Minister's policies/program. S/he is the head of the ministerial tender board BUT any contract approved by the board has to be countersigned by the minister (to ensure that they are in tune with the Minister's/President's agenda). He/she is not a member of the Cabinet, neither can S/he replace the minister as the Chairperson of NNPC except S/he resigns and is appointed minister thereafter.


The roles of the minister and permanent secretary are distinct and straight forward. The importance of ministers cannot be over-emphasised. It is instructive to note that Nigeria is not an isolated case when it comes to ministers/permanent secretaries. The United States for instance have Under-Secretaries, which is Nigeria equivalent of Permanent Secretaries, and Secretaries which is ministers equivalent.

Contraty to Buhari's perception, ministers are not for 'noisemaking', neither are they meant to 'fill space' except the incompetent and clueless ones. Without cabinet ministers, a country will be likened to one on 'Auto-piloting'. More importantly, our constitution provide for offices of Ministers just as it provide for the offices of the President and Vice President.

To be fair with the President, his perception of Ministers is inappropriate. I wonder what prompted him to utter such statement when he was a former minister under the General Olusegun Obasanjo military regime between 1977-79. Is he trying to say that he was a 'noisemaking' minister in General Obasanjo cabinet?


May God Bless Us All

Obiagelli:
case closed.

hinwazaka:
This argument has been over flogged. If you don't know that Ministers own their allegiance to the ruling political party, then I suggest you find another section to air your views

Dindondin:
[s]the earlier the better we v intelligent mods on Nairaland that ll know the diff BTW a partisan thread and a thread that speaks the truth.
Last Bullet
This is another trash from Barcanistar.
It's either he has bribed someone on Nairaland to help him push any of his trash topic to the fp or the mods just think any trash like this can generate traffic for this site.[/s]

ur a simple-minded unfortunate occurrence of unprotected sex. barcanistas's threads have been making fp from his APC days to date and it will continue. i can see his comeback is haunting ur feeble soul, that's why u keep coming back with different to bash him with hate word in the same thread. U WILL DIE!

IbnSultaan:
TonyeBarcanista
Your analysis is poor and nothing short of a scam
base on my Knowledge of previous happenings most of this minister do nothing, The perm Sec run the ministry while the minister does the stealing an talking

and for that reason a democratic govt should run without ministers?

jaymichael:
WRONG WRONG WRONG! Where did you get this from? did you make it up? you admonished someone to first learn about what they intend to speak about while you have ABSOLUTELY ZERO knowledge on the subject matter.
In a presidential system of Government like we practice in Nigeria, the ministers are NOT POLITICIANS as they are neither elected nor contested for the post. The President is at liberty to choose his ministers from the larger public or from the political class (a politician who had been elected or contested in an election previously) or a card carrying member of ANY political party. The president is even at liberty to pick his complete ministers from the opposition in this case PDP. If he so wishes, he could pick only technocrats to make up his cabinet and choosing those technocrats as Ministers does not make them politicians. In a presidential system of government, the post of a minister maybe political, but the minister in his capacity, is NOT A POLITICIAN. This is unlike what obtains in a parliamentary/cabinet system of government as practised in Britain where the cabinet is formed from the parliament whose members are elected and are thus politicians. In this system, the Parliament wields both legislative and executive powers. In this system The ministers are politicians who are chosen from the party or coalition that wins the majority. The prime Minister is not at liberty to pick his ministers outside the parliament. Under tgid system, the minister in his capacity is A POLITICIAN.
PMB has the right to pick his ministers from the PDP, APC, any political parties or from the largest public. He can pick a permanent secretary as his Minister but the permanent secretary has to resign from the civil service first. (read more about the principle of the Civil Service)
THESE ARE BASIC GOVERNMENT AN AVERAGE SS2 Student should know.

wiseguy:
Wailers Association of Nigeria (WAN)

ur thinking capacity is as short as WAN. u will die the day u stop bashing the wailers...it's a curse.

hinwazaka:
I would like to believe you are using a JAVA browser, because you don't want to know what I think of you right now

TonyeBarcanista:
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guest12345:
[s]Wailing Wailer Bercanista you go tire mumu 100%[/s]

ur mom and the whole females in ur family line will choke on Buhari's c.ock. ashewo girl

AZeD1:
Same challenge i gave the guy, find a reference the world "pdp" on that page.

Was she a member of the PDP when she joined OBJ's government?

ellabooz:
You felt threatened by his wits? He is simple a genius in politics analysis so deal with it. Everybody must not be an employee. He is boss already .
TonyeBarcanista I love your piece

lastpage:
[s]
Yea ...just like @Barcanista is doing right now!

e-warrior or hungry and jobless lads looking for "YAM to GOAT"!



Lastpage![/s]

i'm still wondering who's the wailer here, your kind or us. mumu

Guyman02:
Femi Adeshina, Garba Shehu and Lai Mohammed have had to refute a lot of things said here on NL, even the President himself mentioned that he has read people call him Baba Go Slow, Baba One Chance which emanated from here but promised to continue going Slow and Steady. Why did the President appoint an SA on social media, why did GEJ appoint Reno Omokri who is also a Nairalander?

lordfredrick:
oga barcanista, i have been seeing your post opposing this government from day one, ppl like you are the reason why nigeria would not move forward. accept the fact that [b][/b]JONA has lost and support the present one to take nigeria to a greater height. that what a patriotic citizen would do not come here everyday to find a fault in every utterance buhari makes.
minister are there for just four years and you are saying they develop policies, well to me it would take more than that, am sure he would have appointed the most senior person in each ministry as the minister because they know more about how to get maximum output from their ministries. but lets say he wouldnt because he doubts their loyalty.
the administration showed us how important ministers were.

naijadeyhia:
[s]Who be this tatafo man? I guess his life depends on making nairaland fp. Rubbish! Political oloshos[/s]!

u are too myopic, dimwitted and unintelligent to even be on this thread. foul-smelling conglomerate of intellectual constipation!

mrvitalis:
Tonye... the fact that people actually praise ur analysis shows the level of decay in Nigerian educational system
Let me educate u a little bit
1) a minister is a mere representative of the president in that ministry
2) the president can pass his directives or give instructions based on his manifesto to any ministery WITH OR WITHOUT A MINISTER
3) ministers are only needed when the president wants to reduce the work load on him.... And if the president is not complaining..... I wonder y u should.. ....
..

hinwazaka:
Go and ask the TV presenter, who seriously schooled Madam due process when she stupidly claimed she is not a politician. The level of illiteracy and ignorance in our country is appalling, and you have just shown your own stake in it.

jaymichael:
WRONG WRONG WRONG! Where did you get this from? did you make it up? you admonished someone to first learn about what they intend to speak about while you have ABSOLUTELY ZERO knowledge on the subject matter.
In a presidential system of Government like we practice in Nigeria, the ministers are NOT POLITICIANS as they are neither elected nor contested for the post. The President is at liberty to choose his ministers from the larger public or from the political class (a politician who had been elected or contested in an election previously) or a card carrying member of ANY political party. The president is even at liberty to pick his complete ministers from the opposition in this case PDP. If he so wishes, he could pick only technocrats to make up his cabinet and choosing those technocrats as Ministers does not make them politicians. In a presidential system of government, the post of a minister maybe political, but the minister in his capacity, is NOT A POLITICIAN. This is unlike what obtains in a parliamentary/cabinet system of government as practised in Britain where the cabinet is formed from the parliament whose members are elected and are thus politicians. In this system, the Parliament wields both legislative and executive powers. In this system The ministers are politicians who are chosen from the party or coalition that wins the majority. The prime Minister is not at liberty to pick his ministers outside the parliament. Under this system, the minister in his capacity is A POLITICIAN.
PMB has the right to pick his ministers from the PDP, APC, any political parties or from the larger public. He can pick a permanent secretary as his Minister but the permanent secretary has to resign from the civil service first. In order not to negate the principle of NEUTRALITY. (read more about the principle of the Civil Service)
THESE ARE BASIC GOVERNMENT AN AVERAGE SS2 Student should know.

jaymichael:
WRONG WRONG WRONG! Where did you get this from? did you make it up? you admonished someone to first learn about what they intend to speak about while you have ABSOLUTELY ZERO knowledge on the subject matter.
In a presidential system of Government like we practice in Nigeria, the ministers are NOT POLITICIANS as they are neither elected nor contested for the post. The President is at liberty to choose his ministers from the larger public or from the political class (a politician who had been elected or contested in an election previously) or a card carrying member of ANY political party. The president is even at liberty to pick his complete ministers from the opposition in this case PDP. If he so wishes, he could pick only technocrats to make up his cabinet and choosing those technocrats as Ministers does not make them politicians. In a presidential system of government, the post of a minister maybe political, but the minister in his capacity, is NOT A POLITICIAN. This is unlike what obtains in a parliamentary/cabinet system of government as practised in Britain where the cabinet is formed from the parliament whose members are elected and are thus politicians. In this system, the Parliament wields both legislative and executive powers. In this system The ministers are politicians who are chosen from the party or coalition that wins the majority. The prime Minister is not at liberty to pick his ministers outside the parliament. Under tgid system, the minister in his capacity is A POLITICIAN.
PMB has the right to pick his ministers from the PDP, APC, any political parties or from the largest public. He can pick a permanent secretary as his Minister but the permanent secretary has to resign from the civil service first. (read more about the principle of the Civil Service)
THESE ARE BASIC GOVERNMENT AN AVERAGE SS2 Student should know.

wristbangle:
[s]Tonyebar-canista, I most time keep quiet on your analysis which some are true and others are outrageous.

I don't know what's your fuss about Bubu appointing ministers or not along side your cohorts making noise here.

As far as he can deliver vehemently for Nigeria with or without their support, am in total allegiance with it but it will become an issue if his methods backfire. This is when I will spew words on his life.

I don't know know what's wrong with y'll these "Fi di Fi tanoids"

Another news : I just bought Bubu kerosene for N50. How much was that drunkard kerosene before he left power? [/s]

u are one of the most pathetic idiots to be on nairaland and u'll always be an idiot! the only thing that has changed about u is that u shifted from being wristwatch to wristbangle. monstrously backward troglodyte!