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The write up make brain

PussySlayer:
Bro, if you know joseph edgar, you wouldn't say such. That guy is a biiig man o. Forget the 2k ish, it's just to make the story sweet. Dude is a seasoned investment banker.

Many assume humility implies poverty.

Foreign Religion has blinded the black race.

When Africans worshipped their Gods, brotherly love was the other of the day. But since foreign religion came, the black man has known no peace as brotherly love has been replaced with "a snake must eat another snake in order to grow".

The pastor/reverend/imam will tell you God bless you when you are hungry, and you will give the money you were supposed to buy a piece of loaf to cure your hunger with to him, while you remained hungry. What foolishness!.

I once gave my tithe and a pastor knowing it was less than what I was giving before asked why? When I told him I gave some to some needy people, he said I was NOT GIVING IT TO GOD AND IT WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED AS MY TITHE!!, I thanked him and told him that is between me and my God and that should I end up in hell fire because of that, then I'll be happy!!! He has not spoken to me since then!!!

this is the best article I have read this year.@the op.you are too much brother.

rusher14:
Many assume humility implies poverty.

Yes o my brother. Edgar is the most interesting guy I've ever met. The guy is so free, you wouldnt know he's at the top of the economic ladder.

i love dis write up,op u r thinking right

I don't pay tithes because of my pastor; I pay because Christ has directed I should. Whether the pastor becomes a billionaire and isn't helping anyone, that his own cup of tea. He alone awaits his judgement ,and I'm not meant to judge him. Op, you're entitled to ur own opinions; you will corrupt people's mind with ur epistle. But the wise know the miraculous things paying tithe has done for them.

Joeadamxx:
I once gave my tithe and a pastor knowing it was less than what I was giving before asked why? When I told him I gave some to some needy people, he said I was NOT GIVING IT TO GOD AND IT WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED AS MY TITHE!!, I thanked him and told him that is between me and my God and that should I end up in hell fire because of that, then I'll be happy!!! He has not spoken to me since then!!!

And what are you still doing in his church?

nice write up ...

simdam500:
Lol... only in a place if worship will an economic students loose it's course of study.




G.O will live long but you can't talk of the future you know nothing of. The possibilities of a greater person taking over is 1/2.


Irrespective, RCCG has come to stay

You must be part of the "near literate" generation the OP is talking about. He is not wishing the G.O death, he is just stating what will possibly happen, which we have seen in so many other christian denominations in Nigeria, which has either caused division among them or crippled them totally.

My question now is, Why are the successors violently taking the kingdom by force if they are actually called to serve by God or are they serving different gods ? I never heard the 12 disciples taking to violence after Jesus ascended ke.

GlorifiedTunde:
Pele Joseph Edgar

If I add to the two thousand naira will it calm your nerves?

Go and work and make money, when you're in millions don't give to any Church.

CHIKENA!!!

HAVE YOU EVER STOPPED TO THINK THAT MAY BE THE REASON YOU HAVE ONLY #2000 LEFT IS BECAUSE YOU DON'T PAY YOUR TITHES

Not at all Brother John, He has only #2000 left in his pocket because He has stopped paying the so called tithe.

A renowned scholar once described religion as mental slavery. Who can remind me his name?

Against religious leaders who exploit people but your article reveals your ignoranced. I would have pity you but I guess you know the implication of some of the falsehood and lies in your article that was why you picked on Redeem and Winners in the hope that Papa Adeboye and Oyedepo will forgive you. This on one part suggest they are true men of God, yet you have through your article you indirectly referred to them as scammers.

wiloy2k8:
nice write up ...

Foolish and ignorant write up.

GlorifiedTunde:
Pele Joseph Edgar

If I add to the two thousand naira will it calm your nerves?

Go and work and make money, when you're in millions don't give to any Church.

CHIKENA!!!

HAVE YOU EVER STOPPED TO THINK THAT MAY BE THE REASON YOU HAVE ONLY #2000 LEFT IS BECAUSE YOU DON'T PAY YOUR TITHES

If he pays N200.00 as thihte out of 2000.00 how much will remain?

absoluteSuccess:
Some can afford to write because their parents paid their school fees. This luxury taken for granted robbed the illiterate (whose parents cannot afford such luxury) 'something' more than private jet. All my luxury gives the joy equal to someone else's joy, everything being equal without envy. Some proffesion will deliver private jets to you, and some, legit angst. So, choose wisely. In case you failed to solve the world's problems, don't fail to solve your personal problem. Its part of the world's problems you have solved.

You haven't said anything even remotely intelligible.

harsysky:
I don't pay tithes because of my pastor; I pay because Christ has directed I should. Whether the pastor becomes a billionaire and isn't helping anyone, that his own cup of tea. He alone awaits his judgement ,and I'm not meant to judge him. Op, you're entitled to ur own opinions; you will corrupt people's mind with ur epistle. But the wise know the miraculous things paying tithe has done for them.

You deserve to live in penury for your ignorance.

Where did your mythical Jesus even claim that tithes should be paid?

These 'men of god' are not scammers they are sharp guys who understand most people want to be deceived and frightened with 'Hell fire as if there was one.

Imamu na gbaladun, Bishop na enjoyment.
For the followers: suffer for world, enjoy for heaven.

Who be mumu?

Yorubas have destroyed Christianity in Nigeria with their thieving lifestyle.
Adeboye remains the second Annini of Nigeria.

Nigerian Pastors are a very strange breed... claiming divine powers they do not.... Claiming the to be one with the divine but yet are drowning in the race to possess all the comforts of earth... This is no longer Religion but an Industry.

God does not need your money.... but your goodwill.

mmsen:
You deserve to live in penury for your ignorance.

Where did you mythical Jesus even claim that tithes should be paid?

Abeg tell them. Though they will never agree with you because they've already been blinded with fear of 'hell fire'.

Smoke2015:
Am I angry? I'm not sure.
For the first time in my adult life I cannot even put in words my present feeling especially as the news of Pastor Adeboye's latest acquisition of a luxury Private Jet hits me this morning with just N2,000 in my pocket.
Against the backdrop of the recent almost violent rejection by the 'body of Christ' of the call for taxes in our churches, we now hear of Pastors launching luxury liners and huge real estate collections you begin to ask yourself some very pertinent questions with answers you are afraid of exploring.

At the last count, Pastors Adeboye, Joshua and Oyedepo, Oritsejafor etc have all acquired the very latest in luxury jets amongst a vast array of holdings making them some of the very wealthiest human beings on earth. Me I am afraid of personally attacking Pastor Joshua for fear that he may not be as forgiving as the other two, but my searchlight and arrow will be directed at Adeboye and Oyedepo because if they get angry with me, I can beg and as fathers they will forgive and pray for me. That other one, no go gree.


I have attended both the Redeemed and Winners and the scale of their vision always stupefies me, humbling and humiliating me at the same time. The vastness of their holdings and immense wealth which they control if not checked can begin to compete with the federal Government in revenues generated. They rely on the fear and near literate disposition of their followers. Yes, near literate because the most educated of us, when it comes to spiritual things we are all illiterate and gullible or how else can you explain this continued perfidy where we assemble every Sunday and listen to the same story retold for over 2,000 years and still give out 10% of our hard earned income to a few to live like Roman Emperors and yet refuse to be taxed.

These pastors are the new overlords, slave masters with whips garnisheed with the sweet tongues of Babylon aimed at impoverishing us, putting us under spells of hypnosis and keeping us in a permanent state of imbecilic servitude. They bestride the firmament in holier than thou gowns collecting from a deprived and depraved flock, fleecing, throwing prosperity messages that seem to deliver the wealth to them alone and their cronies, while the rest of us, defiled cups in hands, adorned with rags and defiled by leprosy , kneel at their feet, hoping and waiting for the deliverance but alas we are told to wait till heaven while they live in opulence here on earth.

We will definitely wait till heaven and there if we find them will embark on the ultimate protest. Heaven will surely witness its first race riot. A riot occasioned by Nigerians and only Nigerians seeking for a pound of flesh from these masters who made our lives a living hell on earth. Yes, a living hell because we ran to them for succor, for relief from the viccititudes of this world but yet little did we know that we were just running from one slave master to the other albeit with a promise of a better life herein after while taking the last of our pennies, the last of our hopes and in some cases our wives and depriving us of the last vestiges of dignity and leaving us naked with the utopian hope of a better tomorrow.

Two of these churches have birthed luxury airliners with the tithes of a pitiable gullible crowd. This airliner I hear has two of the state of the art jetliners sequestered for only those who can afford it and reserved for the exclusive use of the GO in many of his travels. Who are the shareholders of this firm? Who are the Directors of the firm, registered in America thereby keeping it out of reach of the millions who have contributed their kobo to this initiative. Where is the corruption war? Why is it not beaming its search light towards this area of continuous and stylish thievery?

The airliner is not just the only one, the huge Real Estate holdings, the University where the brethren cannot afford to take their children to despite the fact that it's their tithes that built the school. The hotels, the various businesses. This is nothing but organized fleecing under the guise of religion. Now, I am angry and will unsheath my sword. This 'religious'organizations are nothing but multi national firms who have gotten their seed capital from their members who unlike normal shareholders have been deprived of the benefits of their investments. Where is the democracy in all these? Why are dividends not declared and shared amongst all tithe payers? Why is the GO position held almost in perpetuity?

These church owners are wicked. The Roman Catholic Church is a very rich organization who have impacted on the lives of not just Italians but the rest of the world. It is not controlled by a family or a patriarch but controlled by structures and institutions that have for centuries continued to ensure the perpetuity of its vision. The selection of the Pope who is the titular head is carried out along very set lines of succession, lines that have over the centuries withstood the vagaries of time, encrypting it into the concrete of structure. This has ensured the continuous democratization of dividends that accrue from their various activities. They pay their taxes, run a government in the Vatican and support governments and society wherever they find themselves. I am not a fan of the Catholic Church but in terms of transparency, institutionalized decision taking, clear and transparent succession planning and decision taking procedures they are miles ahead of this family owned businesses we call churches in this country.


I hereby call for the democratization of the Redeemed Christian church and the Winners chapel. Their size, influence and continued growing wealth makes it dangerous to continually be controlled by one individual. You see the way Presidents and political candidates scamper there for support, the influence and power they carry must be broken otherwise we will be faced by a parallel government which will be very dangerous for us as a country and which could make the menace of Boko Haram child's play. Yes child's play because they are dealing with the mind, hypnotizing a vast section of the population controlling them and making them allude to their biding iresponsibly. See the role of the Redeemed in the selection of the current Vice President and the mass movement of their members towards his candidacy without even querying his position on issues. See how a sitting President made regular pilgrimages to go bow down unconstituonally to an unelected self appointed demagogue all in the name of 'spiritual father.'

The General Overseer-GO position must have tenor limits. The constitution of this group must be tinkered with. A four year maximum two term tenor must be infused in their constitution. Proper elections or at best clear GO appointing procedures and decision taking process must be made with every tithe paying church goer having the same opportunity to aspire to the position. A clear system of checks and balances with separation of powers must also be entrenched. Some people will be cursing me now as they read, but do I care. It is for their own good that I am making these suggestions and also for my own good as a Nigerian who will suffer when this monster collapses into chaos and tyranny if effective structures are not put in place to guide and sustain its unprecedented growth.

See what happened to the Celstial Church when its founder Pa Oshoffa died. We saw a wicked succession battle which led to court cases, violence and a balkanization of the church. The celestial church came out of that era weakened. Today it has lost its glory and is no more than a local champion. This was so because Oshoffa led with the power of his charisma, not putting structures in place and when he passed there was nobody with that kind of persona to fit into his huge shoes. Wait for Adeboye's passing and you will see a Colombian drug cartel like war of control.

Already parish Pastors are helping themselves to church funds, stealing wives of their members and generally exhibiting unchristian like behavior because of the weak structures of control and cohesion. The Redeemed church is today as popular as Coca Cola with parishes on every street corner but unlike coke with no clear tested machinery for governance and control. While the center is busy building global enterprises, the local parish pastor is defiling the church with his own thievery.


This is not an attack on the church and no satan sent me. I am a Christian, not very devout but a Christian none the less. What I have done is detach myself from all this Tom foolery and attempted to look dispassionately at the monster that is today's churches especially the redeemed and Winners in the wake of the tax controversy. Our churches need to open themselves for proper scrutiny otherwise they will continue in this profane exploitation of a gullible and in most cases helpless population seeking solace and succor from task masters who are even worse than the devil himself.

I have stopped payment of tithe until corporate governance and transparency is instituted in our churches, until open elections are conducted for sensitive church positions and until tithe payers are recognized as shareholders and dividends declared and payed annually. Till then, I will be paying my tiny tithe to an orphanage in Palmgrove, Onipanu Lagos where the madam is struggling daily to feed and educate kids with no hope in life. This to me is far better and enriching than funding a financial behemoth masquerading as a religious organization, dodging taxes and yet doing businnes at the levels that even the biggest of global players cringe with fear.

I await the attacks.

Thank you.

http://josephedgarng..com.ng/2015/09/pastors-private-jets-and-their-taxes.html

No need to fear attack as you unfortunately just wasted precious time on something a little research would have educated you upon.

harsysky:
I don't pay tithes because of my pastor; I pay because Christ has directed I should. Whether the pastor becomes a billionaire and isn't helping anyone, that his own cup of tea. He alone awaits his judgement ,and I'm not meant to judge him. Op, you're entitled to ur own opinions; you will corrupt people's mind with ur epistle. But the wise know the miraculous things paying tithe has done for them.

...and where do you think your tithes end up?

Lemme tell you the possibilities...

1. Buying bra and G-strings for your Pastor's daughter.
2. Sending your Pastor's nephew to the University of North Texas, USA.
3. Buying marijuana for the Pastor's wayward son.
4. Buying menstrual pads for the Pastor's wife.
5. Buying Samsung S6 for your Pastor's secret lover.

All these, while your cousin in the University asks you for money for textbooks and you keep "posting" him.

Why not try and get "God's" bank account number in "Heaven" and wire him your tithe directly. That's if you can get "his" account number.

GlorifiedTunde:
Pele Joseph Edgar

If I add to the two thousand naira will it calm your nerves?

Go and work and make money, when you're in millions don't give to any Church.

CHIKENA!!!

HAVE YOU EVER STOPPED TO THINK THAT MAY BE THE REASON YOU HAVE ONLY #2000 LEFT IS BECAUSE YOU DON'T PAY YOUR TITHES

is it possible for one to use her tithe to help d sick in d hospital nd d less priviledged instead of sowing it in the church?since our pastors r now very rich n d church building has been completed.

I dont agree with the pastors since they lower the image of God's servants with their perfidy

But i also dont agree with the writer. No one placed a gun on your head to go to church. No one has their tithe forcibly wrung out of them. :-XHeck being christian is by choice. If you dont like what the church has become then a range of options are open to you:

Islam
Judaism
Zoroastrianism
Occultism
Satanism
Animism
Scientology
Agnosticism
Atheism

Or you can start your own tithe-free church and live on air and the blessed sacrament.

GlorifiedTunde:
Pele Joseph Edgar

If I add to the two thousand naira will it calm your nerves?

Go and work and make money, when you're in millions don't give to any Church.

CHIKENA!!!

HAVE YOU EVER STOPPED TO THINK THAT MAY BE THE REASON YOU HAVE ONLY #2000 LEFT IS BECAUSE YOU DON'T PAY YOUR TITHES

Pls tell him ooo

I pay tithe to God thru a church not to pastor!
And when I do, I invoke d blessings on tithing on myself..and d result shows!

Now, if d pastor like, chop my money! Na him biz be d@!

That is all I gotta say

icemann:
All these Igbo pastors too like.....$ $hit they are not Igbo's. My bad

too much weed,no brain

harsysky:
I don't pay tithes because of my pastor; I pay because Christ has directed I should. Whether the pastor becomes a billionaire and isn't helping anyone, that his own cup of tea. He alone awaits his judgement ,and I'm not meant to judge him. Op, you're entitled to ur own opinions; you will corrupt people's mind with ur epistle. But the wise know the miraculous things paying tithe has done for them.

Christ never directed anyone to pay tithes!
Please show me the chapter and verse where Jesus Christ opened his mouth and said Christians are to pay tithes. You can do what you want with your money, just don't come on here and start saying things that are not true!