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Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by omooba969(m): 12:19pm On Sep 28, 2015

babatundeizbad:
Pro Saraki arguments have been very disappointing.

Saraki's caught by his BALLS! grin

Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by PenSniper: 12:22pm On Sep 28, 2015

Saraki and his Ilorin emirates descendants Union are living on borrowed time.

We are going to send them packing sooner or later. If it requires bloodletting to achieve that, so be it.

Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by realborn(m): 12:23pm On Sep 28, 2015

...and the title of the article should be "clannishness".

Over a dozen reference to the word and its euphemism!

Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by philips70(m): 12:24pm On Sep 28, 2015

krendo:
Saraki will not resign and APC can not impeach him

When APC appologise to Nigerians why they fielded him for Senate in the first place then we can start talking.

It makes the judgement of APC as a party very questionable that a man they now call corrupt passed APC's own screening rules!

You can not have it both ways! You cant say a man is qualified to be a Senator of the Federal Republic of Nigeria but not qualified to be the Senate President. It just does not work like that.

There is a laid down guidelines for screening of candidates for elective positions of which allegations of corruption is not one of them. You do not preclude a man from his ambition based on hearsay. If parties screen anyone on mere allegations, 90% of aspirants will fail such screening. Are you aware GEJ was accused of corruption and was investigated by Ribadu when he was governor of Bayelsa? Did such allegations stop the PDP from confirming him first as VP and later Presidential candidates? Or like the APC would have precluded Buhari from the presidential elections because he is alleged to have forged his certificate?
The proper place to determine if a man is culpable of corruption is where Saraki has been invited to and he has no other duty other than to go and answer for to it.

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Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by farihafaheemah(m): 12:25pm On Sep 28, 2015

Honestly your comment is commendable. But does political parties has the power to scrutinise any aspirant on his asset declarations. I think to my own knowledge they can only findout abt his qualifications and experiences where he or she claimed. CCB has the right to make enquiry abt the asset claim of political office holder not political party. Thank you

krendo:
Saraki will not resign and APC can not impeach him

When APC appologise to Nigerians why they fielded him for Senate in the first place then we can start talking.

It makes the judgement of APC as a party very questionable that a man they now call corrupt passed APC's own screening rules!

You can not have it both ways! You cant say a man is qualified to be a Senator of the Federal Republic of Nigeria but not qualified to be the Senate President. It just does not work like that.

Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by greatehis: 12:27pm On Sep 28, 2015

GOATandYAMtheory:
shataap and read before spewing trash! What part of Buhari's asset declaration do you not understand?

The fact that we were not told the value of each property.

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Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by farihafaheemah(m): 12:31pm On Sep 28, 2015

Evaromantik:
I dnt know if Saraki is being prosecuted by CCT or APC senators/members.........you made him a senate under your canopy without detecting his asset forgery but to detect it as he emerge the senate president...............let the CCT decide and not you "lying liars".........if he retain his position after the trial,he will impeach your president and if he loses,you will in no way smell that seat as far as PDP is concern,and that same impeachment awaits your Dullard
I weep for my dear country when I read some people's comment. He was called to clear himself abt his asset declaration, in what form this assets are beneficial to ur standard of life. Pls have a re-think. All politicians are rogues only few among them have atom of fear of God at heart
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Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by omooba969(m): 12:48pm On Sep 28, 2015

krendo:
Saraki will not resign and APC can not impeach him

When APC appologise to Nigerians why they fielded him for Senate in the first place then we can start talking.

It makes the judgement of APC as a party very questionable that a man they now call corrupt passed APC's own screening rules!

You can not have it both ways! You cant say a man is qualified to be a Senator of the Federal Republic of Nigeria but not qualified to be the Senate President. It just does not work like that.

This case against Saraki is not whether or not he is qualified to be a senator/senate president but one of falsifying records on his Asset Declaration submission. undecided

ITK dey worry you oga. grin

Hmmm, 'seems you have eyes but cannot see! cool

Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by Nobody: 12:55pm On Sep 28, 2015

GOATandYAMtheory:
That Dr. Olubukola Abubakar Saraki should honourably resign as the Senate President or be impeached is beyond debate. Through the history of his past and present, he has brought dishonour to the Senate. While the court has the final say and we should wait for this, however the reasons justifying why Saraki should resign now or be impeached are factually overwhelming, while the defence of those who hold brief for him is miserably weak.

Those who defend Saraki range from journalists such as Olukayode Thomas, who tries to put an “argumentative” face on his defence of Saraki to Ilorin clannishness, and Ilorin clannish defenders such as the spokesperson of Ilorin Emirate Descendants Progressive Union, Mr. Abdulhamid Adi. The form of both types of defence is the same, for they both commit laughable errors in reasoning.

In his defence of Saraki, Thomas dances around while evading the substantive issue. Coming from the Sarakists, this evasion strongly suggests that the Senate President has no real defence of the allegation against him beyond deploying an irrelevant appeal to pity, a sense of “persecution” and legal technicalities, in order to stop the court process. Thus, for failing to address the substantive and factual issues against Saraki, Thomas only ends up strengthening the allegation against Saraki.

This is because Thomas is not saying that Saraki is not guilty due to the facts of the case. Rather Thomas is suggesting that Saraki ought not to be tried, or everyone should be tried if Saraki’s is being tried! While Thomas is correct in asking that corrupt people should face the law, it is a bad argument to suggest that if all corrupt politicians are not tried then Saraki ought not be tried. That all corrupt people should be tried and that Saraki is being tried are two different issues. Hence, Sarakists such as Olukayode Thomas are unhelpful for their failure to speak to the substantive facts of the allegation against Saraki. Thomas’ defence of Saraki ends up showing that Saraki has a case to answer, and he must answer this case.

What nails the Senate President and makes his case incurably bad, at least in the public domain, is his resort to ethnic self-help and clannishness of the Ilorin type. Nigerian rulers are known for their ethnic clannishness. For example, until he proves otherwise in the next four years of his presidency, the first faulty steps of current president Buhari has shown that there is no difference between his Daura clannishness-in relying mostly on Daura men and women (a bad action which Buhari himself defended poorly when he appealed to clannishness to justify clannishness!) in his first line of strategic appointments-and the Otuoke clannishness of his predecessor-ex-president Jonathan.

who n who will impeach him huh

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Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by Sheikwonder(m): 12:57pm On Sep 28, 2015

PenSniper:
True, but did he succeed in making a point, do you think ?

I generally avoid making comments on politics to avoid being labelled partisan as well as other forms of opprobium that come with taking sides.

My real grouse here is with the structure of the article.As always everyone is free to form an opinion on what message the writer is passing across.I can in no way ascertain the veracity or mendacity of his claims,that I'll leave for a court of law to decide...

Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by engrhorla(m): 1:02pm On Sep 28, 2015

GOATandYAMtheory:
shataap and read before spewing trash! What part of Buhari's asset declaration do you not understand?

Isi gini? A lot!

What is d meaning of house in Abuja? What kind of house? Where is it located? What is d worth?
And am a Buhari fan

But let us stay on the issue, which is Bukola Saraki.

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Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by advocates: 1:10pm On Sep 28, 2015

krendo:
Saraki will not resign and APC can not impeach him

When APC appologise to Nigerians why they fielded him for Senate in the first place then we can start talking.

It makes the judgement of APC as a party very questionable that a man they now call corrupt passed APC's own screening rules!

You can not have it both ways! You cant say a man is qualified to be a Senator of the Federal Republic of Nigeria but not qualified to be the Senate President. It just does not work like that.

Your line of defence is lame. You sound like you are new to the politics that ensure the emergence of Saraki.

He was never a preferred candidate for the senate president, and for the record, he was elected to be in the senate by his constituent. APC only provided him the platform to campaign and get elected.

However, the new government in place isn't one that tolerate corruption, and so irrespective of who you are, you will be punished if your track record is laden with corruption.

Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by sauceEEP(m): 1:20pm On Sep 28, 2015

What's with all these clanish and clanishness resulting in clandestine clanishness?

Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by fleshbone(m): 1:21pm On Sep 28, 2015

FreeGlobe:
The astronomical rise of his bank balance from 1 million to 30 million within 3 month. same for his cows. matter of fact he should formally and publicly declare his assets. not that cooked up nonsense from his media aide.

Atleast it was declared!
Making blind arguement.

Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by advocates: 1:28pm On Sep 28, 2015

Akshow:
one reason why I like yorubas is that they say it as it is. They are not clannish. if saraki from the east they would have started shouting witch hunt and victimisation.

Succinctly put. It shows high level of exposure and intellectualism. Unlike the Igbos(no poo I needed). More reason why they have remain politically alienated. You can't inject clannishness in a politics that touches everyone and expect to be relevant.

A grave lesson the easterners are yet to come to terms with. Such an outburst that defend corrupt persons when every other person thinks otherwise, makes right thinking Nigerians to become suspicious and afraid to commit responsibility or leadership in the hands of these ones.

This say a lot about how the Youbas have evolved overtime to recognise the seriousness of governance away from ethnic rascality as constantly displayed by the Igbo, such consequences is that, in the long run, you become an outcast or political inconsequential that no one deem fit to trust.

Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by jomoh: 1:35pm On Sep 28, 2015

FreeGlobe:
The astronomical rise of his bank balance from 1 million to 30 million within 3 month. same for his cows. matter of fact he should formally and publicly declare his assets. not that cooked up nonsense from his media aide.

Maybe you should go through this thread and watch the video. I should cure your ignorance.

www.nairaland.com/2581063/president-buhari-never-said-he

Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by jomoh: 1:38pm On Sep 28, 2015

krendo:
Saraki will not resign and APC can not impeach him

When APC appologise to Nigerians why they fielded him for Senate in the first place then we can start talking.

It makes the judgement of APC as a party very questionable that a man they now call corrupt passed APC's own screening rules!

You can not have it both ways! You cant say a man is qualified to be a Senator of the Federal Republic of Nigeria but not qualified to be the Senate President. It just does not work like that.

To whom brain is given, sense is expected.

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Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by anonimi: 1:43pm On Sep 28, 2015

advocates:
However, the new government in place isn't one that tolerate corruption, and so irrespective of who you are, you will be punished if your track record is laden with corruption.

The same APCheat government that has Abubakar Audu and Timipre Sylva as their gubernatorial candidates in Kogi & Bayelsa abi na another government you dey talk about huh

Why do you ALLOW yourself to be deceived so easily huh

Why?

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Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by jonnieoneng: 1:52pm On Sep 28, 2015

krendo:
Saraki will not resign and APC can not impeach him

When APC appologise to Nigerians why they fielded him for Senate in the first place then we can start talking.

It makes the judgement of APC as a party very questionable that a man they now call corrupt passed APC's own screening rules!

You can not have it both ways! You cant say a man is qualified to be a Senator of the Federal Republic of Nigeria but not qualified to be the Senate President. It just does not work like that.

YOU ARE ONE OF THE FEW INDIVIDUALS THAT IS REASONING VERY CORRECTLY.IT IS APPALLING HOW WE REFUSE TO THINK WELL IN NIGERIA .WE RESORT TO ETHNIC AND TRIBAL SENTIMENTS WHENEVER THERE ARE ISSUES.I DARE TO SAY SARAKI IS PAYING FOR SURROUNDING HIMSELF WITH HALF-BAKED PEOPLE WHO LIKE STRATEGIC THINKING CAPABILITIES.I RAISED THIS COMMENT ON FEW OCCASIONS THAT I WAS PRIVILEGED TO BE AT POLITICAL MEETINGS IN ILORIN AND I HAVE PROPHESIED THAT THIS WILL HUNT HIM ONE DAY.BUT ASIDE FROM THIS WHY ARE APC POWER BROKERS BE AGAINST A PERSON WHO WAS ABLE TO WIN ELECTIONS WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF ANY OF THE SO CALLED BIG APC BOYS.THIS IS A RECIPE FOR DISASTER IN THE MAKING. AND AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE PMB JUST LAID A FOUNDATION FOR THE STAGNATION OF HIS ADMINISTRATION

Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by dewstar: 2:00pm On Sep 28, 2015

He said something.

Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by advocates: 2:05pm On Sep 28, 2015

anonimi:
The same APCheat government that has Abubakar Audu and Timipre Sylva as their gubernatorial candidates in Kogi & Bayelsa abi na another government you dey talk about

Why do you ALLOW yourself to be deceived so easily
Why?

You are beginning to sound like one infected with ignorance. The last time I checked, APC is not Efcc to prosecute alleged corrupt politicians. Allow Efcc do their thorough job, if at the end of the day they are found wanting, then let justice be served.
But it will be incorrect to say APC picked Abubakar and Silva when in actual facts their emergence were the wishes of their people. Any unbiased mind will be mindful of the concerted effort of the Efcc and not clamouring on APC every time issues on corruption is mentioned.

Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by nobeku: 2:13pm On Sep 28, 2015

echomog1:
Apc = munafiki......if saraki is good to be Apc senator comma he is equally good to be Senate president fullstop

Who is this Simpleton?

Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by anonimi: 2:37pm On Sep 28, 2015

advocates:
You are beginning to sound like one infected with ignorance. The last time I checked, APC is not Efcc to prosecute alleged corrupt politicians. Allow Efcc do their thorough job, if at the end of the day they are found wanting, then let justice be served.

I just loooooovvvvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeee how you APCheat people expose your bloody HYPOCRISY every time grin

So why not let CCT do its "thorough job " before hounding Saraki out of the SP position huh

How is hypocrisy different from CORRUPTION?

But it will be incorrect to say APC picked Abubakar and Silva when in actual facts their emergence were the wishes of their people. Any unbiased mind will be mindful of the concerted effort of the Efcc and not clamouring on APC every time issues on corruption is mentioned.

Can you show us where you said the same thing about the emergence of Fayose and Omisore for PDP?
Thanks.

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Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by soarhey(m): 2:38pm On Sep 28, 2015

Who is this Goat and Yam Theory?

The write up is goatish and Yamish. Though saraki is in for a big trouble.

Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by mikolo80: 3:41pm On Sep 28, 2015

FreeGlobe:
The astronomical rise of his bank balance from 1 million to 30 million within 3 month. same for his cows. matter of fact he should formally and publicly declare his assets. not that cooked up nonsense from his media aide.

compared to 20 billion dollars
we the majority forgive him

Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by mikolo80: 3:45pm On Sep 28, 2015

Evaromantik:
I dnt know if Saraki is being prosecuted by CCT or APC senators/members.........you made him a senate under your canopy without detecting his asset forgery but to detect it as he emerge the senate president...............let the CCT decide and not you "lying liars".........if he retain his position after the trial,he will impeach your president and if he loses,you will in no way smell that seat as far as PDP is concern,and that same impeachment awaits your Dullard
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who is cct
it is whatever ruling party says it is
and ruling party says it should deal with learner saraki
shebi him tink say na ilorin politics him wan follow jagaban play
he will learn d hard way and others will take dressing
and do you think any corrupt pdp will ever near that seat again
who wan go jail
you see why you should come to equity with clean hands
otherwise you no fit talk

Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by jpphilips(m): 5:04pm On Sep 28, 2015

femi1410:
Whats the big Deal in stepping down, if not that he his pursuing his own interest which lead him to this in the first place.
I can still recall the Japanese prime minister saying he is going to resign just because of the High rate of old people in the country and low rate of child birth,
Or someplace in America, where the speaker is stepping down in Oct 30th at his own WILL
AND some idiot we all voted as Senators are saying they are in support of saraki, despite this ALLEGATIONS against him.
#onlyinnigeria
It is time for us the masses to speak up. BECAUSE IS DEMOCRACY IS ALL ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN THE FIRST PLACE
GOVT OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE WILL NEVER AND EVER PERISH FROM THE EAETH

Democracy is not for dumb people which majority of Nigerians represent

Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by MRLANNISTER(m): 5:56pm On Sep 28, 2015

FreeGlobe:
Buhari should first resign or explain his assets.

Can u imagine. My light hardly goes off again o. Asset ko liability no!

Re: Saraki’s Poor Defence: Why He Should Resign Or Be Impeached by FreeGlobe(f): 6:33pm On Sep 28, 2015

MRLANNISTER:
Can u imagine. My light hardly goes off again o. Asset ko liability no!

my own light have gone worse.. By the way you have to thank GEJ reforms for the light you are enjoying

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