truthman2012:


There are loads of deceptions and inconsistencies in islam and that show it is not from the true God.

I cited verses of quran for you where allahh stated clearly that Muhammad, the greatest man in islam had no power for miracles, right? You turned your eyes away from them as if they are not correct. So when it comes to defending islam by muslims what the quran says does not matter again. I don't care what lies they fabricated in the video, I need your quranic verses where Muhammad HEALED anybody.

Was allahh lying when he said Muhammad couldn't do miracles? Is any muslim greater than him? If any muslim could do miracles, what is the source of his power, could it be the same allahh who didn't give Muhammad the power?

Now tell me, what HEALING did Muhammad or allahh did in the quran? Why was Muhammad not healed of the poison that killed him?

All the Signs and Wonders in the Universe you claimed for allahh is a lie. Those things had been done by Yahweh, the God of the bible before Muhammad proclaimed himself a prophet. Tell me what had not been created before islam came.

Which is more authentic, the quran or the video?

Annunaki:


There is a sect in islam called sufism who are into mysticism. They mix up a lot of ancient mystical practises with their brand of islam and they zconsidered heretics by the main stream sunni Muslims. Infact practise of sufism is an offence punishable by death in saudi arabia and some other hard core islamic states. It is in sufism that miracles are claimed in islam.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufism

Rilwayne001:


[b] Seriously this is very stupíd of you. I asked this question first, Instead of you to answer me, you are redirecting it to me again.. Wtf is your problem?

You brought this thing to the table by trying to force it on us claiming the narrations are of the same occasion when actually the 5th one is totally different.

Now I will ask you for the last time as I have asked earlier on: " The books you quoted in the oP makes us understand (from 1-4) that anytime he felt sick, he would pray as well as the angel, and he would get healed. But in the in the event of the illness that killed him (i.e the 5th narration), he didnt bother to pray knowing fully well that death has come. If we are made to understand that he used to pray whenever he is ill in the first 4 narration, doesn't your brain tell you that since the 5th narration made us understand that he didnt pray for recovery - the preceeding ones are not of the same occasion with this last one since we are told he used to pray for recovery in them?

If you are still arguing this, please kindly provide the rightful context to those narration. PleaSe I beg u. [/b]



You don't tell me what to type or what not to type. You brought this up and I am applying the same logic you are using to the story of jesus according to the bible you believe in.

The Jews mocked Jesus , and told him if he is the son of God, and king of Israel, and could save others then let him save himself, since Jesus died then this means he was a fake according to them! And using your logic this means the Jews are correct and Jesus is a fake, no?

According to Mattew 23:34 the Jews had already killed other prophets, using your horrendous logic, those prophets whom the Jews killed were also all fakes, because I am sure the Jews wouldn’t have killed them if they believed they were true prophets now would they?

Please don't go about saying trash and shying away from question posed at you. Address my post as I have been doing to yours.

parisbookaddict:


Don't u read the Hadiths. Mohammed felt something was wrong with the taste of the goat meat and spat it out... the other fellow ate and swallowed it which killed him instantly...

Thanks to the brave Jewish woman mohammed suffered for 4 years before the poison killed him..it even caused a blood clot/embolism in his genit.alia causing a death ere.ction ..all signs of poisoning.

So in ur Islamic mind...a paedophile who died from poison in the hands of a Jewish woman suddenly becomes a martyr...a man who died on the chest of his teenage wife.. what will u call the christians who refuse to accept Islam and are beheaded for there faith in Christ.. those are martyrs..

truthman2012:


Okay, thanks.

[s]The video must be talking about the 'magic' done in sufism.[/s]

bashbabe2:
,




You and erection.You never say anything that make sense such a foolish girl with shallow brain
More like pornaddict.i keep saying you must have been molested by a family

malvisguy212:
if you truly believe muhammed is a true prophet then why dint he know he will died ?
the cause of his death? The circumstances leading to Muhammad’s death are clearly recorded in the Hadiths. And they showed that the
poisoned meat that he ate at Khaibar
finally led to his death. If Muslims truly
believe that Muhammad was a prophet,
than they should accept his own explanation for his death.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59,
Number 713:
Narrated ‘Aisha: The Prophet in his
ailment in which he died, used to say,
“O ‘Aisha! I STILL FEEL THE PAIN CAUSED BY THE FOOD I ATE AT KHAIBAR , and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison.”

Muhammed continuously feel the" pain caused by the food he ate at khaibar" this proved that after the incident, he continuously suffered prior to his death.

Ibn Sa’d, page 252:
The apostle of Allah lived after these THREE YEARS TILL IN CONSEQUENCE OF HIS PAIN HE PASSED AWAY . During his illness he used to say, “I did not cease to find the effect of the (poisoned) morsel, I took at Khaibar and I SUFFERED SEVERAL TIME (from its effect) but now I feel the hour has come of the cutting of my jugular vein.”

Now who should we believe? Rilwayn or muhammed ? Muhammed say he suffered for 3years and the muslim say , no he did not .

Matthew 26
52Then Jesus said to him, "Put your
sword back into its place; for all those
who take up the sword shall perish by
the sword. 53"Or do you think that I
cannot appeal to My Father, and He will
at once put at My disposal more than
twelve legions of angels? 54"How then
will the Scriptures be fulfilled, which say
that it must happen this way?"…

If Jesus wanted to excap death, He say "
He will ask His Father and He will be given crowd of angels to save Him" he went on to say " How then will the Scriptures be fulfilled, which say that it must happen this way?" dyeing on the cross is what the scripture talk about. But muhammed death caught him by surprise.

parisbookaddict:


[s]Rilwany n1..so who do we believe, an early muslim withness as recorded by ibn sa'd and o th er hadiths or the words of a deluded yoruba muslim..[/s]

Ewu!

Demmzy15:
Ewu!

parisbookaddict:


Rilwanyne001..so who do we believe, an early muslim withness as recorded by ibn sa'd and o th er hadiths or the words of a deluded yoruba muslim..

You are such a clown, why don't you just shut ur mouth.

malvisguy212:
hey bro. How the weekend? Good to see you.

Good to see you too, sha continue spreading your falsehood and lies!

Demmzy15:

Good to see you too, sha continue spreading your falsehood and lies!

malvisguy212:
you call it falsehood then you should be able to clear things up. Don't you think ?

truthman2012:


There are loads of deceptions and inconsistencies in islam and that show it is not from the true God.

I cited verses of quran for you where allahh stated clearly that Muhammad, the greatest man in islam had no power for miracles, right? You turned your eyes away from them as if they are not correct. So when it comes to defending islam by muslims what the quran says does not matter again. I don't care what lies they fabricated in the video, I need your quranic verses where Muhammad HEALED anybody.

Was allahh lying when he said Muhammad couldn't do miracles? Is any muslim greater than him? If any muslim could do miracles, what is the source of his power, could it be the same allahh who didn't give Muhammad the power?

Now tell me, what HEALING did Muhammad or allahh did in the quran? Why was Muhammad not healed of the poison that killed him?

All the Signs and Wonders in the Universe you claimed for allahh is a lie. Those things had been done by Yahweh, the God of the bible before Muhammad proclaimed himself a prophet. Tell me what had not been created before islam came.

Which is more authentic, the quran or the video?

parisbookaddict:


The chief molester is mohammed..

Ignorant little Muslim girl go and read the hadith and see all the sex mohammed was having..even the quran says mohammed took his adopted sons wife..that's shameful..he was always fooling around with his harem of women

U do not want to talk about it..because you will realize he was a fraud ...I will talk about it becauuse I know he was a fraud...deal with it..

malvisguy212:
if you truly believe muhammed is a true prophet then why dint he know he will died ? the cause of his death? The circumstances leading to Muhammad’s death are clearly recorded in the Hadiths. And they showed that the poisoned meat that he ate at Khaibar finally led to his death. If Muslims truly believe that Muhammad was a prophet, than they should accept his own explanation for his death. Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 713: Narrated ‘Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, “O ‘Aisha! I STILL FEEL THE PAIN CAUSED BY THE FOOD I ATE AT KHAIBAR , and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison.”Muhammed continuously feel the" pain caused by the food he ate at khaibar" this proved that after the incident, he continuously suffered prior to his death Ibn Sa’d, page 252: The apostle of Allah lived after these THREE YEARS TILL IN CONSEQUENCE OF HIS PAIN HE PASSED AWAY . During his illness he used to say, “I did not cease to find the effect of the (poisoned) morsel, I took at Khaibar and I SUFFERED SEVERAL TIME (from its effect) but now I feel the hour has come of the cutting of my jugular vein.” Now who should we believe? Rilwayn or muhammed ? Muhammed say he suffered for 3years and the muslim say , no he did not .

Matthew 26 52Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword. 53"Or do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels? 54"How then will the Scriptures be fulfilled, which say that it must happen this way?" If Jesus wanted to excap death, He say " He will ask His Father and He will be given crowd of angels to save Him" he went on to say " How then will the Scriptures be fulfilled, which say that it must happen this way?" dyeing on the cross is what the scripture talk about. But muhammed death caught him by surprise.

bashbabe2:
Falsenam the desperado. See your life, having two threads with the same content. So this is also about poisoned lamb. Why are you so confused.
This is what happens when you ontinue to open rubbish threads. You will continue to get restless and confuse. Sha don't give your self brain aneurysm from over analysing something you know nothing about. It's just an advice

Rilwayne001:




[b] By Allah, I didnt see this particular mention until this morning, I dont know why, same thing happen when truthman2012 mention me. I had to start cchecking his thread one after the other to know the latest update; to see those who mentioned.

Now in response to the above, it is it far-fetched, the question we should be asking his that why didn"t the Prophet die at the scene, atlleast Bishr died at that very moment, this also shows that the Prophet is real, read the story:
"Today I have perfected your religion for you, and have bestowed upon you the full measure of My blessings, and willed that self-surrender unto Me shall be your way of life." QURAN 5:3

According to all available traditions, the verse above was revealed at Mount Arafat in the afternoon of Friday, the.9th of
Dhul-Hijjah, shortly before the death of the Prophet Muhammad (S). Standing in prayer at Arafat on the 9th of Dhul-Hijjah, is considered the most important part of Hajj.

At the final moment when he did his pilgrimage to makkah (hajj), and the verse saying the religion of Islam is complete,then was the final moment, read this to judge it yourself

Surah Baqarah 2:214"Or did you think that you will enter Paradise without such (trials) that came to those who passed away before you? They were afflicted with severe poverty and
ailments and were so shaken that even the Messenger and those who believed along with him said, 'When will come the help of Allah? Yes! Certainly, the help of Allah is near!"

From Bukhari's Hadith 5.713:
Narrated Ibn Abbas:
'Umar bin Al-Khattab used to let Ibn Abbas sit beside him, so 'AbdurRahman bin 'Auf said to 'Umar, "We have sons similar to him." 'Umar replied, "(I respect him) because of his status that you know." 'Umar then asked Ibn 'Abbas about the meaning of this Holy Verse:-- "When comes the help of Allah and the conquest of Mecca . . ." (110.1) Ibn 'Abbas replied, "That indicated the death of Allah's Apostle which Allah informed him of." ' Umar said, "I do not understand of it except what you understand." (note Ibn ABASS WAS THE BEST AMONG THE SAHABAS IN INTERPRETING THE QURAN).

From Tabari Volume 9 page 108:

[i] [color=red] When the prophet returned to Medina after performing the Pilgrimage of Completion, he began to have a
complaint of illness. As travel was allowed (after the
pilgrimage), the news of the prophet's illness spread,
Then in Muharram the prophet complained of the pain
from which he died. [/b]



Jesus allegedly made this statement, okay. But in the next chapter, we are told that he said while on the cross " My God,My God, why have you forsaken me?, (Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34). Isn't this an indication that Jesus expected God to save him? If yes,this will mean he is unaware of his crucifixtion. If No then he must have lost faith, indicating the devil triumphed.

Secondly, like I asked truthman, According to Mattew 23:34 the Jews had already killed other prophets, using your logic,those prophets whom the Jews killed were also all fakes, because I am sure the Jews wouldn’t have killed them if they believed they were true prophets now would they?

My bros this is what I call a knockout! Very nice!

Demmzy15:

My bros this is what I call a knockout! Very nice!

truthman2012:


Muhammad would have loved to die a matyr but he didn't, he died by poison:
”

Rilwayne001:


What is the meaning of 'Martyr'? Simply answer my question, don't digress.

truthman2012:
[s]
I would have told you to ask your islamic teacher for am not under your command. A martyr is someone who SURRENDERS himself to be killed for his religious beliefThis does not apply to Muhammad who ate poison unknowingly. If he had known he would not have eaten it. He tasted it and spewed it out. Your point of argument is that Muhammad didn't die of poison thereby insinuating he died of a different cause, which you are unable to provide the cause. [/s]

Rilwayne001:

Very ignorant post.

truthman2012:

Lol !!!
Why Did Allah Save Jesus But Allowed Muhammad To Eat Poison?

Where was Yahweh when Jesus was shouting 'Eli Eli lama sabactani'

Rilwayne001:


Where was Yahweh when Jesus was shouting 'Eli Eli lama sabactani'

Rilwayne001:




[b] By Allah, I didnt see this particular mention until this morning, I dont know why. Same thing happen whenever truthman2012 mention me. I had to start cchecking his thread one after the other to know the latest update; to see those who mentioned me.

Now in response to the above, it is not far-fetched, the question we should be asking his that why didn"t the Prophet die at the scene, atleast Bishr died at that very moment, this also shows that the Prophet is real, read the story:
"Today I have perfected your religion for you, and have bestowed upon you the full measure of My blessings, and willed that self-surrender unto Me shall be your way of life." QURAN 5:3

According to all available traditions, the verse above was revealed at Mount Arafat in the afternoon of Friday, the.9th of
Dhul-Hijjah, shortly before the death of the Prophet Muhammad (S). Standing in prayer at Arafat on the 9th of Dhul-Hijjah, is considered the most important part of Hajj.

At the final moment when he did his pilgrimage to makkah (hajj), and the verse saying the religion of Islam is complete,then was the final moment, read this to judge it yourself

Surah Baqarah 2:214"Or did you think that you will enter Paradise without such (trials) that came to those who passed away before you? They were afflicted with severe poverty and
ailments and were so shaken that even the Messenger and those who believed along with him said, 'When will come the help of Allah? Yes! Certainly, the help of Allah is near!"

From Bukhari's Hadith 5.713:
Narrated Ibn Abbas:
'Umar bin Al-Khattab used to let Ibn Abbas sit beside him, so 'AbdurRahman bin 'Auf said to 'Umar, "We have sons similar to him." 'Umar replied, "(I respect him) because of his status that you know." 'Umar then asked Ibn 'Abbas about the meaning of this Holy Verse:-- "When comes the help of Allah and the conquest of Mecca . . ." (110.1) Ibn 'Abbas replied, "That indicated the death of Allah's Apostle which Allah informed him of." ' Umar said, "I do not understand of it except what you understand." (note Ibn ABASS WAS THE BEST AMONG THE SAHABAS IN INTERPRETING THE QURAN).

From Tabari Volume 9 page 108:

[i] [color=red] When the prophet returned to Medina after performing the Pilgrimage of Completion, he began to have a complaint of illness. As travel was allowed (after the pilgrimage), the news of the prophet's illness spread, Then in Muharram the prophet complained of the pain.from which he died. [/b]



Jesus allegedly made this statement, okay. But in the next chapter, we are told that he said while on the cross " My God,My God, why have you forsaken me?, (Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34). Isn't this an indication that Jesus expected God to save him? If yes,this will mean he is unaware of his crucifixtion. If No then he must have lost faith, indicating the devil triumphed.

Secondly, like I asked truthman, According to Mattew 23:34 the Jews had already killed other prophets, using your logic,those prophets whom the Jews killed were also all fakes, because I am sure the Jews wouldn’t have killed them if they believed they were true prophets now would they?

Rilwayne001:


Where was Yahweh when Jesus was shouting 'Eli Eli lama sabactani'

Rilwayne001:


What is the meaning of 'Martyr'? Simply answer my question, don't digress.

malvisguy212:
the hadith I provide was clear for everyone to read and understand.

You quote this verse :
"Today I have perfected your religion for you, and have bestowed upon you the full measure of My blessings, and willed that self-surrender unto Me shall be your way of life." QURAN 5:3

And your explanation to this indicate Allah revealed this verse to muhammed when he was about to die. Meaning Allah perfected the religion(islam) during muhammed time, in other word Abraham ,Moses ishmael etc were following an imperfect religion(islam).

You are trying soo hard to twist your own quran,it seem that you know more than muhammed, if it is a trial then why did Gabriel pray for muhammed? Did Gabriel not known that it is a trial? The fact that Gabriel pray for his healing proved Gabriel did not know the will of Allah.

Jesus Has human nature , flesh and blood, Jesus feel pain like normal human will. He was on the cross and at that moment He was carrying the sins of the world, He pray to God the father and His prayer was not answer because of the sins upon Him, he became a curse so that I can be made innocent, the chestement of peace was upon Him. Isaiah went on and say "He was taken to His slaughter and He open not His mouth like a Lamb being leed to his slaughterer"

malvisguy212:
the hadith I provide was clear for everyone to read and understand.

You quote this verse :
"Today I have perfected your religion for you, and have bestowed upon you the full measure of My blessings, and willed that self-surrender unto Me shall be your way of life." QURAN 5:3

And your explanation to this indicate Allah revealed this verse to muhammed when he was about to die. Meaning Allah perfected the religion(islam) during muhammed time, in other word Abraham ,Moses ishmael etc were following an imperfect religion(islam) .

You are trying soo hard to twist your own quran,it seem that you know more than muhammed, if it is a trial then why did Gabriel pray for muhammed? Did Gabriel not known that it is a trial? The fact that Gabriel pray for his healing proved Gabriel did not know the will of Allah.

Jesus Has human nature , flesh and blood, Jesus feel pain like normal human will. He was on the cross and at that moment He was carrying the sins of the world, He pray to God the father and His prayer was not answer because of the sins upon Him, he became a curse so that I can be made innocent, the chestement of peace was upon Him. Isaiah went on and say "He was taken to His slaughter and He open not His mouth like a Lamb being leed to his slaughterer"

Rilwayne001:


The one I provided is clearer.. Look up and read.



YES



Very ignorant post from you. I won't bother waste my effort here, cus it will end up in futility.



Another ignorant post. Does Yahweh's angel knows his mind?



Doesn't he know what was to befall him before taking it up?

And again you missed my second question: According to
Mattew 23:34 the Jews had already killed other prophets, using your logic,those prophets whom the Jews killed were also all fakes, because I am sure the Jews wouldn’t have killed them if they believed they were true prophets now would they?