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MzNelly:
I know deep down you believe there is a God.

Who are you kidding?

johnydon22:


Then i will know rather than believe that there is.. which surely enough is an honest position

Just as you and i do not need believe there is a sun, we are sure of it, we know of it. . . None need believe it with faith..

johnydon22:
Hahahahaha long and funny story this is...



Hahahaha this always the funniest that a being that supposedly exists needs human to tell other humans and threaten them to believe it exists...

Only a man made God will need man to make itself known to man.. Am i right?

Lol..

Hellenistic religion is still practised today. . . Many people still worship Zeus as the one true God till this day..

Please don't blow your mind again on hearing this, i wouldn't like to answer to the police ..


I have always affirmed that religion is a canoe paddled by ignorance of the masses..

Take away knowledge from the masses and you will have a control over them. . But a little curiosity drives one to take back this knowledge and you will get a mind free from such control..

this is what religions hate most, a free mind, a curious and knowledgeable mind that is why they discourage questions, doubts, curiosity but encourage blind faith..


lmao... you never really read your bible

remember yahweh was looking for at least 10 good people and he will spare the city but they must be thousands of innocent children in that city..

are these innocent numbers not good enough to spare the city since it was looking for 10 good people and these innocent children surely must have been in their hundreds of thousands.

I am sure this one never came to mind

Lmao...you deh vex oo... my girl friend is worth worshipping more so though


Hahahaha actually modern scholarly consensus agrees Moses didn't write the torah, it was just a judaic theological tradition to hold him as the writer..

scholarly consensus establishes the torah was a collection of works of different timelines and authors . . . 4 different style of writing were observed from it leading them to conclude it was a work of 4 different authors at different timelines of hundreds of years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah check here ....

this is called misotheism.. someone who believes a God exists but hates it..


hahahahahahaha...



Had being an incredible journey so far i must say Always remain a freethinker and avoid making absolute assertions ..

menesheh:
He here telling you he didn't believe in god makes your claim demonstrably wrong

MzNelly:
I just don't get why you don't believe in God.
Your arguments don't seem solid enough to me.

They are to me actually. . . And am sure to many.. it needn't be to you...

I am a misotheist. I believe He exists, but I don't like him very much.

And with the way you speak about him, you don't like him either.
So why tag yourself an atheist?
Adon unstern

johnydon22:
They are to me actually. . . And am sure to many.. it needn't be to you...

This position stems from inability for one to independently allow the implausibilities in such concepts slip away..

You just can't take letting go all you believe rather you just hate it..


Lmao... another unfounded assumption about me please for a second time do not make more assumptions about me. . I don't appreciate that..

Let me establish once again that i in no way not even in the least share any emotional feeling towards any God.

Not islamic Allah
not yahweh
not brahma
not zeus
not amadioha
not krishna
not lucifer

these are just ideas to me and a vague one at that.. One cannot hate ideas rather ideas are refuted..

And yes i am an atheist because i only disbelieve these concepts and do not hate them..

only thing that gives me concern is the effect the disturbing beliefs that comes with these concepts are having on the intellect of our youths . . like who think science is satan handiwork..

MzNelly:
I just don't get why you don't believe in God.
Your arguments don't seem solid enough to me.

I am a misotheist. I believe He exists, but I don't like him very much.

And with the way you speak about him, you don't like him either.
So why tag yourself an atheist?
Adon unstern

Teempakguy:
atheists don't hate God.
We do not believe he exists at all. So, we do not hate him because one only hates something he believes in. What we hate is that people keep trying to twist logic and they keep running around to prove he does. And even resort to insults when the person they are trying to protect is not real. seriously. Replace The word "God" with "Darkseid" in every post on Nairaland. And you'll see why it's so annoying.

You know, maybe I should start worshiping darkseid even, there is a lot of evidence that he is real,

MzNelly:
Oh....
Okay then.

MzNelly:
Take it easy.
You're a newly converted atheist. You're still confused about how you feel.
It shows in your diary post.
Better chill for a week or two.

johnydon22:


Lol... at converted. . . am not sure anybody converted him though..

But remember he passed through a misotheistic stage of which you agree to be on now..

so i suggest you just don't put mind in thinking about these concepts or joining him won't be far

MzNelly:
Take it easy.

You're a newly converted atheist. You're still confused about how you feel.
It shows in your diary post.

Better chill for a week or two.

Teempakguy:
why do you keep saying things as if you know them?
Now I have to give you a lengthy reply just to explain myself.

1. No one converted me. Except maybe one christian guy who dared me to seek the face of god. That he would reveal himself. He lost the bet.
But seriously though. There's nothing like conversion. More like decision based on logical conclusion.

2. The very fact that am agnostic means that I'm not confused, if you read a lot of fiction stories, you'll gain the ability to understand the mood of the writers by just reading their works. The Torah, was written by individuals who desperately wanted to explain their existence. They just really wanted to explain it so badly that they invented a story of it.

3. I only show confusion to prove that the bible is illogical, and therefore invalid. Wouldn't you be confused if you tried to see the sense in the massacre that God did in David's reign?
It goes like this, god caused David to conduct a census. But if a census was conducted, God would be angry. So, god caused David to conduct a census, so he could get angry and then kill many Israelites. While heaping the blame on David.
Or if you tried to see the sense in God making human beings out of sand. When we are clearly made out of carbon. Which has 8 electrons 8 eight protons more than silicon which is the element sand is made off. They most probably made that ridiculous assumption because skin color looks like sand. Who knows?

4. I don't feel. I think. You should have seen that from my diary too. I'm an extremely logical person. Almost robotic.

MzNelly:
You converted him. And a number of other people....
You must feel very proud.

lmao... i thought my arguments weren't solid enough.. i wonder how it could be that effective..

Please i did not convert anybody and am sure i have never told anybody, leave theism and become an atheist... In fact most people who come to me asking questions emanating from the effect of abandoning religion, even tell them they don't necessarily need be atheistic just always use their reason and consistent logic in judgement.. i will add a screen shot to prove this..

And i only make my points and then leave it for people who read to think over, so i am not converting anybody deconvertion is mostly personal ...

I don't even know if I won't die before I complete this so-called stage you call it. I'm literally losing my mind.

I don't know how someone is a Christian and the next minute he is an atheist.
How does that even happen?

Were you ever a Christian even?

MzNelly:
You converted him. And a number of other people....
You must feel very proud.

I don't even know if I won't die before I complete this so-called stage you call it. I'm literally losing my mind.

I don't know how someone is a Christian and the next minute he is an atheist.
How does that even happen?

Were you ever a Christian even?

johnydon22:
lmao... i thought my arguments weren't solid enough.. i wonder how it could be that effective..

Please i did not convert anybody and am sure i have never told anybody, leave theism and become an atheist... In fact most people who come to me asking questions emanating from the effect of abandoning religion, even tell them they don't necessarily need be atheistic just always use their reason and consistent logic in judgement.. i will add a screen shot to prove this..

And i only make my points and then leave it for people who read to think over, so i am not converting anybody deconvertion is mostly personal ...


Please don't loose your mind, belief is not worth loosing your mind over... there is a lot this world holds.

This your stage i usually call conflict of belief and reason, war between faith and reality..

A lot of pain and joy to experience and a lot of adventures to embark on and live a wonderful free life in a brief colourful world, just don't let this weigh you down..

I wouldn't like add more so as not to be accused of converting ..


when you realize all you have been made to believe, indoctrinated into weren't different from others.

When you agree with yourself that surely enough there isn't anything backing up the claim of Gods that suggests such lay outs is any more than mere wishful thinking..


Probably more than you ever was. . . I was once even a seminarian... i still remember vividly those days.

I still enjoy singing most christian songs i love (they are just songs to me) most latin songs.

MzNelly:
But Sir,
Em... Agnosticism is different from Atheism.

Teempakguy:
I know . . . but I really hate the sound of the latter. Doesn't roll off the tongue like the former does.

MzNelly:
It's not that easy. I was definitely more religious than you were.

Hahahaha make we no drag am

I lived with a rev fr for more than 2 years in a village parish though, i literally breathed mass every minute. .I wake up before 5:00am daily in the chilly morning cold of a village to go set up things for mass and set his vestments ready in the sacristy before mass starts.

In fact back in those days i rarely entertained having a girl near me in private, could you believe i left the room for a girl because she was touching me..

I literally lived and breathed Christianity, in fact the church was my life but it was fun most times though, can still remember the large chunk of chicken i munched those days when ever i went on a mass invite or occasion invite with the priest, chai it was feasting things because food for priests are always prepared specially ... & we always went on such calls.

I have always been a curious being, i always entertained questions on the disturbing tenets of religion and it made me delve more into study (the rev frs study room was more like a library in fact it exposed me more to critical thinking)

and i plunged more into religion in order to discard and escape these questions.. But for where...

MzNelly:
It's not that easy. I was definitely more religious than you were.

Thanks tho.

Teempakguy:
I know . . . but I really hate the sound of the latter. Doesn't roll off the tongue like the former does.

Teempakguy:
I literally just became athei . . . agnostic . . . I really should not be going around "preaching" to people.

So, here's what I'm going to say. Conduct your experiment to find God. It's allowed according to the bible.

Ask anything. Jesus said. So, just have faith and ask God to reveal himself to you. By either appearing in your dreams(not great evidence) or speaking to you in the presence of a third party so everyone can hear his voice.
Gideon performed more ridiculous experiments. Like asking God to set a carcass on fire, or to make cotton wet . . . and God totally did it. I wonder why he has suddenly lost that ability.

So . . . if he doesn't, just keep trying. Eventually, no one will have to convert you before you realize how funny the whole thing is.

Uuhm you are preaching oo ... hahahahaha..

just discuss these ideas when you can and leave people to their own personal reason to think for themselves..

johnydon22:
[b]Hahahaha make we no drag am

I lived with a rev fr for more than 2 years in a village parish though, i literally breathed mass every minute. .I wake up before 5:00am daily in the chilly morning cold of a village to go set up things for mass and set his vestments ready in the sacristy before mass starts.

In fact back in those days i rarely entertained having a girl near me in private, could you believe i left the room for a girl because she was touching me..

I literally lived and breathed Christianity, in fact the church was my life but it was fun most times though, can still remember the large chunk of chicken i munched those days when ever i went on a mass invite or occasion invite with the priest, chai it was feasting things because food for priests are always prepared specially ... & we always went on such calls.

I have always been a curious being, i always entertained questions on the disturbing tenets of religion and it made me delve more into study (the rev frs study room was more like a library in fact it exposed me more to critical thinking)

and it i plunged more into religion in order to discard and escape these questions.. But for where... [/b]

MzNelly:
I'm really surprised as to how you opened up.

Proud of your courage,

MzNelly:
Come again :s

MzNelly:
Let me allow you shine just this once.
It's your thread, afterall.

Shine kwa

we are discussing our experiences joooooor...

Atheism is boring tho
No holidays, no fun stuffs, no heavenly afterlife,

Actually every holiday is applicable to everyone..

Sunday was a roman holiday in worship of the sun God. . but you all keep it as a holiday now.

Easter was a pegan feast of the goddess of fertility Ishta.. you keep it..

Christmas well its surely clear .. it is a roman festival of satuenalia and the birthday of the God mithras..

We enjoy all this holidays with everyone else na.. You need not believe in the God thor to enjoy thursdays..

I mostly enjoy Christmas...

no Sugar Daddy in heaven

Hahahaha if there is such a place then it would be crazy boring... imagine doing the same thing (wearing white robes and carrying palm fronds praising a God somehow just is freaky about being praised always)..

for 100,000,000 years... hahahahahaha no be me go tell you what you will do..

"Bleep this, am out of here" won't be far from it ..

If anything is wonderful and beautiful then it is the sadness and happiness, pain and joy, adventures and crazes this world provides..

nothing could be more enjoyable and meaningful than making each moment of this brief colourful life count..

MzNelly:
Let me allow you shine just this once.
It's your thread, afterall.

Atheism is boring tho
No holidays, no fun stuffs, no heavenly afterlife, no Sugar Daddy in heaven

johnydon22:


No that you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there, you need to have faith and believe jt..

Don't you see? the flatness of the table suggest there must be a cup on top of it...
Is it not very obvious

You need to have faith and believe so you can have a personal experience of the cup by faith..

as a matter of fact i know there is a cup on that table and my reference is here in a book where it is written that there is..

You still have not proven there is no Cup there...

my book says there is...

hahn:
Hmmmm. So, I had a dream and the spirit revealed to me that there is a red cup on the table. Halleluyah!

hahn:
Hmmmm. So, I had a dream and the spirit revealed to me that there is a red cup on the table. Halleluyah!

kolajamesjnr:
You are wrong the cup is blue the spirit also revealed it to me

Oh my goodness.... this guy got the wrong cup, he is going to burn for not saying the cup is red

Our book said there is no other cup except our red cup...

kolajamesjnr:
You are wrong the cup is blue the spirit also revealed it to me

hahn:
Your own spirit is wrong. It's a red cup with orijin in it. What's in yours?

Surely enough he is wrong, don't you see our book says that there is no cup cup the red cup...

this guy just don't know he is deceiving himself