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Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by basilo101: 2:42pm On Oct 23, 2015
Kagawa10:
Dundee, what's the use of region when it's not practising federalism and had the head of state foisting leaders on them? Do you know the creation of states doesn't stop the states from practising true federalism if allowed?
Let me ask you, What business do the goat, Ojukwu have with governing the north under Ironsi regime, especially after the same ibo killed their sarduna?
As a matter of fact, the creation of state is the best thing to ever happen to Nigeria in the sense that it prevented ibo thieves from claiming peoples' land and region!
Shameless cursed losers!
See this mumu oo. do u ppl read at all? Ironsi appointed Hasan Katsina to govern North, Ojukwu for East and Fajuyi for west.
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by superstar1(m): 2:42pm On Oct 23, 2015
basilo101:
Ironsi is a military man and he and any other military ruler need the unitary system to be able to rule, but we not in millitary era anymore, wats ur point
Stop jumping around like the orango tang that you are.

Follow the line of argument of the discussion.

Why did SE not back the call for regionalism at the last Confab?
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by Nobody: 2:42pm On Oct 23, 2015
superstar1:
We were practising this before some greedy people, in their bid to lord it over others, cancelled it and introduced the devilish unitary system, that has been the clog in the wheel of progress of this nation and our bane since 1966.

All these they did, after killing leaders of other regions and telling us how Angel Gabriel protected the leaders from their own ethnicity from being killed by the trigger army mor0ns.
Which leaders did igbos say we're protected by Angel Gabriel?
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by Kagawa10: 2:43pm On Oct 23, 2015
basilo101:
ADEWALE ADEGBOYEGA IS IGBO ABI?
One Yoruba amidst several ibos doesn't make it become a Yoruba coup!
And for the records, Adegboyega killed no one as opposed to his ibo counterpart who killed every tribes' leader save for theirs!!
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by basilo101: 2:44pm On Oct 23, 2015
superstar1:
I am quite relaxed. There is no big deal in being a coup plotter.

It is the way Igbos believe they were not allowed to form their country that is insulting and annoying to our sensibilities. You initiated a reaction that snowballed into a full scale war and you are still accusing others.

If there was no coup of January 1966, definitely there will not have been the pogrom of July 1966 and we won't be here talking about one stup1d Aburi Accord and the unfortunate Biafran war.
you have not answered my questiion regarding this pic. Is adewale ademoyega an igbo man?

Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by Nobody: 2:46pm On Oct 23, 2015
NAIJASOM:
Mr super so appointing a regional military government is the same as dissolving the region. I still don't see anywhere in his speech where he said the regions ceases to exist. In the beginning of his speech, he made it clear that it was to maintain order. Was it not also an Igbo man that stopped the coup. If it was an agenda for Igbos to rule, then why would ojukwu help stop the coup.

The only mistake Ironsi made was not arresting nzeogwu because that made it look like a planned Igbo coup even though the real counter-coup was also done by Igbo generals.

Ironsi arrested nzeogwu n jailed him.
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by superstar1(m): 2:47pm On Oct 23, 2015
basilo101:
yorubas hahahah, read this book writen by your brother. just see the title, "why WE struck" and not why THEY struck
There is no book that is available on the way that I have not read, plus the satanic book written by that shameless Achebe, they tried to distort history.
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by basilo101: 2:47pm On Oct 23, 2015
Kagawa10:
One Yoruba amidst several ibos doesn't make it become a Yoruba coup!
And for the records, Adegboyega killed no one as opposed to his ibo counterpart who killed every tribes' leader save for theirs!!
Lol, confused mumu. what is the meaning of "WHY WE STRUCK"huh?? please tell us what ademoyega was stricking at
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by Nobody: 2:48pm On Oct 23, 2015
superstar1:
You are very funny.

Before the coup, regional govts were not reporting to the central Federal Govt and Mr Ironsi by fiat said, going forward all regional heads must report to me.

That singular act abolished regionalism and instils unitarism, which is the only language of the military.

By extension, Mr Ironsi -- an Igbo man, abolished our thriving regionalism and introduced unitarism. Gowon merely up-scaled what Ironsi introduced.

Be that as it may, regionalism still remains our best bet for this country and a faster route to actualisation of secession dream.

It is quite surprising that none of the other regions except SW, clamoured for regionalism in the last national jamboree of a conference.
The s waste clamored for regionalism in d last national confab n yet voted a military dullård who will never put it to use. Lol, Yoruba na dumbo
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by superstar1(m): 2:48pm On Oct 23, 2015
chuna1985:
Ironsi arrested nzeogwu n jailed him.
They were living big celebrity life in prison. Going for parties in the night.

While were they transfered to the prison in the then Eastern Region?
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by basilo101: 2:49pm On Oct 23, 2015
superstar1:
There is no book that is available on the way that I have not read, plus the satanic book written by that shameless Achebe, they tried to distort history.
but you can clearly see the title of the book by ademoyega, "WHY WE STRUCK". a yoruba man STRUCK
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by superstar1(m): 2:51pm On Oct 23, 2015
chuna1985:
The s waste clamored for regionalism in d last national confab n yet voted a military dullård who will never put it to use. Lol, Yoruba na dumbo
See the south beats foaming in his mouth.

We should have voted for cluelessness because of a jamboree, ha called confab, that lacks constitutional power for implementation.

You are too daft.
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by superstar1(m): 2:52pm On Oct 23, 2015
chuna1985:
Which leaders did igbos say we're protected by Angel Gabriel?
See jamb questions.

Abeg read up.
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by basilo101: 2:54pm On Oct 23, 2015
superstar1:
They were living big celebrity life in prison. Going for parties in the night.

While were they transfered to the prison in the then Eastern Region?
Lmfao, same useless claims without concrete back up. Ironsi saved the country from over ambitious young officers which included ppl from East, Midwest and Western regions. subsequent military govts used unitary system and i dont problem with that but the era of military is gone, they gave us unitary system and it should be abolish in a civilian govt
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by superstar1(m): 2:54pm On Oct 23, 2015
basilo101:
ADEWALE ADEGBOYEGA IS IGBO ABI?
One yoruba out of many igbos?

Why was it that it was only the igbo officers that were trigger happy? Tell us one person killed by the yoruba man. Just one.
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by Nobody: 2:55pm On Oct 23, 2015
superstar1:
I am quite relaxed. There is no big deal in being a coup plotter.

It is the way Igbos believe they were not allowed to form their country that is insulting and annoying to our sensibilities. You initiated a reaction that snowballed into a full scale war and you are still accusing others.

If there was no coup of January 1966, definitely there will not have been the pogrom of July 1966 and we won't be here talking about one stup1d Aburi Accord and the unfortunate Biafran war.
Igbo coup led by an anioma man. The same people you guys claim are not Igbos.

The list of the the coup plotter show some people from middle belt and southwest but it's still called an Igbo coup.

The counter coup was led by Igbos but it still called an Igbo coup.


Igbo civilians were massacred in the fake counter coup but no civilian group or tribe were massacred in the 7 other coups that followed.

Aburi accord which simply tried to bring back back regional system was accepted by ojukwu but rejected by Nigeria. This rejection led to the war.
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by superstar1(m): 2:56pm On Oct 23, 2015
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basilo101:
Lmfao, same useless claims without concrete back up. Ironsi saved the country from over ambitious young officers which included ppl from East, Midwest and Western regions. subsequent military govts used unitary system and i dont problem with that but the era of military is gone, they gave us unitary system and it should be abolish in a civilian govt
Those were well documented facts.

You had the opportunity to vote for regionalism during the last confab and by the record in the history, SE and other regions refused to vote for regionalism, except SW.
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by Dhugal: 2:58pm On Oct 23, 2015
superstar1:
Stop jumping around like the orango tang that you are.

Follow the line of argument of the discussion.

Why did SE not back the call for regionalism at the last Confab?
Are you going about deceiving yourself again?.I believe I once lessoned you about that.That it was actually elements of the Southwestern delegation,viz Lagos and Ondo delegates,that opposed regionalism,the Southeast pushing hard for it while also coming up with a Plan B,like any reasonable delegation that have done their homework well.
The Southwest delegation were in virtual disarray after Lagos and Ondo,for their own reasons,chose not to tow the line.
Go check your past posts and your old Superstar moniker,even you agreed it was a lesson well learnt then.
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by basilo101: 2:59pm On Oct 23, 2015
superstar1:
Stop jumping around like the orango tang that you are.

Follow the line of argument of the discussion.

Why did SE not back the call for regionalism at the last Confab?
stop cursing, its childish
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by superstar1(m): 3:01pm On Oct 23, 2015
NAIJASOM:
Igbo coup led by an anioma man. The same people you guys claim are not Igbos.

The list of the the coup plotter show some people from middle belt and southwest but it's still called an Igbo coup.

The counter coup was led by Igbos but it still called an Igbo coup.


Igbo civilians were massacred in the fake counter coup but no civilian were massacred in the 7 other coups that followed.

Aburi accord which simply tried to bring back back regional system was accepted by ojukwu but rejected by Nigeria. This rejection led to the war.
What is my business about who is Igbo or who is not. If igbos are claiming aniomas and they agree that they are, what is anybody's business? Sort yourselves out with Aniomas.

What is the ratio of the officers of other ethnicities that took part in the coup, in comparison with Igbo ethnicity?

What is the number of the victims of the coup that are of different ethnicities, in comparison with the people that were igbos and were also victims?

Who was the eventual beneficiary of the coup? An igbo man.

If you can answer that, you can see the reason why it is an Igbo coup.
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by basilo101: 3:04pm On Oct 23, 2015
superstar1:
Y

Those were well documented facts.

You had the opportunity to vote for regionalism during the last confab and by the record in the history, SE and other regions refused to vote for regionalism, except SW.
u jst go about claiming wat u can substantiate. at least, have u now accepted that a confirmed yorubaman "STRUCK in 1966?

Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by basilo101: 3:09pm On Oct 23, 2015
superstar1:
What is my business about who is Igbo or who is not. If igbos are claiming aniomas and they agree that they are, what is anybody's business? Sort yourselves out with Aniomas.

What is the ratio of the officers of other ethnicities that took part in the coup, in comparison with Igbo ethnicity?

What is the number of the victims of the coup that are of different ethnicities, in comparison with the people that were igbos and were also victims?

Who was the eventual beneficiary of the coup? An igbo man.

If you can answer that, you can see the reason why it is an Igbo coup.
so its now about ratio? shifting the goal post is ur ppls trademark. Now answer the following questions: which parts of the country had crises and which ppl were main actors in the crises? which part had more officers in the army then??
First Generation of Nigerian Army officers,June 1959.

From Left to Right sitting: Captain Adeyinka Adebayo,Captain Philip Effiong,Captain Imo,Major Samuel Adesoji Ademulegun,Major Wellington Bassey,General Forster, Major JTU Ironsi,Major Ralph Shodeinde,Captain Zakaria Maimalari, Captain Conrad Nwawo, Captain David Ejoor.

Middle Row standing: Lt Igboba,Lt George Kurubo, (non Nigerian standing next to Kurubo), Lt J Akaga,Lt Patrick Anwunah, Lt Louis Ogbonnia, Lt Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu, Lt Eyo Ekpo, Lt Arthur Unegbe, Lt Abogo Largema

Back Row: Lt Hilary Njoku, 2nd Lt Nzefili, 2nd Lt Ogunenwe, 2nd Lt Shadrak, Lt Madiebo,2nd Lt Anthony Eze, Lt Yakubu Gowon, 2nd Lt Sylvanus Nwanjei,Lt Yakubu Pam, 2nd Lt Hassan Katsina.

Those not in the picture are Captain Kur Mohammed,Lt Victor Banjo and Lt Michael Okwechime

Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by Dhugal: 3:18pm On Oct 23, 2015
superstar1:
Y

Those were well documented facts.

You had the opportunity to vote for regionalism during the last confab and by the record in the history, SE and other regions refused to vote for regionalism, except SW.
I see you shut up when confronted,that's good.
Let's have done with the lies of SW voting for regionalism cos aside mouthing off in your media,the SW has never pushed regionalism nor come up with a viable Plan B when push comes to shove
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by Ngwaukwu1(m): 3:19pm On Oct 23, 2015
superstar1:
We are very happy to have some people as our slaves, while they are shouting "let us go".
And you honestly think this attitude is in the best interest of your ethnic nationality?
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by Nobody: 3:22pm On Oct 23, 2015
vodkat:
Story as long as u have corrupt leaders nothing will work.


The problem is not pokitical systwm but the players in the system and how effrctive they r in there roles.
Its ppl like u ugant wunt allow this country progress.u keep on shoving good ideas aside under d guise of corruption nd bad leaders.
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by Nobody: 3:22pm On Oct 23, 2015
What is my business about who is Igbo or who is not. If igbos are claiming aniomas and they agree that they are, what is anybody's business? Sort yourselves out with Aniomas.

So if it was an ikwere general you and your folks would call it an ikwere coup?

What is the ratio of the officers of other ethnicities that took part in the coup, in comparison with Igbo ethnicity?

So now you are doing mathematics just to justify your blind hatred. What percentage of non-Igbo involvement will qualify to make it not an Igbo coup?

What is the number of the victims of the coup that are of different ethnicities, in comparison with the people that were igbos and were also victims?

The people killed were all politicians, not civilians. The counter coup also by Igbo officers prevented the coup from executing its full agenda which also included the eastern politicians. Also do you think that the non-Igbo officers in the coup would agree to join the coup if it was only the leaders from their group that would be killed?

Who was the eventual beneficiary of the coup? An igbo man.

Simply by default. He was the highest ranking officer and if you watch the video, you will see he was very uncomfortable with that role
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by Nobody: 3:31pm On Oct 23, 2015
basilo101:
See this mumu oo. do u ppl read at all? Ironsi appointed Hasan Katsina to govern North, Ojukwu for East and Fajuyi for west.
Don't mind that foooool
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by superstar1(m): 3:35pm On Oct 23, 2015
basilo101:
so its now about ratio? shifting the goal post is ur ppls trademark. Now answer the following questions: which parts of the country had crises and which ppl were main actors in the crises? which part had more officers in the army then??
First Generation of Nigerian Army officers,June 1959.

From Left to Right sitting: Captain Adeyinka Adebayo,Captain Philip Effiong,Captain Imo,Major Samuel Adesoji Ademulegun,Major Wellington Bassey,General Forster, Major JTU Ironsi,Major Ralph Shodeinde,Captain Zakaria Maimalari, Captain Conrad Nwawo, Captain David Ejoor.

Middle Row standing: Lt Igboba,Lt George Kurubo, (non Nigerian standing next to Kurubo), Lt J Akaga,Lt Patrick Anwunah, Lt Louis Ogbonnia, Lt Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu, Lt Eyo Ekpo, Lt Arthur Unegbe, Lt Abogo Largema

Back Row: Lt Hilary Njoku, 2nd Lt Nzefili, 2nd Lt Ogunenwe, 2nd Lt Shadrak, Lt Madiebo,2nd Lt Anthony Eze, Lt Yakubu Gowon, 2nd Lt Sylvanus Nwanjei,Lt Yakubu Pam, 2nd Lt Hassan Katsina.

Those not in the picture are Captain Kur Mohammed,Lt Victor Banjo and Lt Michael Okwechime
For the singular reason that you had more officers in the army,it is given that more of the igbos would have taken part in the coup.

Beautiful.

By extension, if more Igbo officers took part in the coup than the cumulative sum of officers of other ethnic extraction, that makes it automatically am Igbo coup. Shikena.

The beneficiary of the coup was also an Igbo man.

How come other ethnicities had more casualties, both the civilians and military officers, killed in comparison with that of the Igbos that only lost 1 person, whose killing was even based on vendetta.
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by Nobody: 3:36pm On Oct 23, 2015
superstar1:
They were living big celebrity life in prison. Going for parties in the night.

While were they transfered to the prison in the then Eastern Region?
And u were the DJ in the party abihuh Lol.

There were sent to eastern prisons to avoid more bloodshed, That was what Ironsi always wanted for Nigeria, Avoidance of bloodshed...

Which later led to his death alongside fajuyi. Ironsi always trusted his northern brothers, He got info about d counter coup n he didn't want to run, rather he stayed back trying to make to make sure there's a clean transition n his northern brothers tricked n killed him.
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by Kagawa10: 3:39pm On Oct 23, 2015
Dhugal:
Are you going about deceiving yourself again?.I believe I once lessoned you about that.That it was actually elements of the Southwestern delegation,viz Lagos and Ondo delegates,that opposed regionalism,the Southeast pushing hard for it while also coming up with a Plan B,like any reasonable delegation that have done their homework well.
The Southwest delegation were in virtual disarray after Lagos and Ondo,for their own reasons,chose not to tow the line.
Go check your past posts and your old Superstar moniker,even you agreed it was a lesson well learnt then.
Eediot, back that claim up there with reputable proof!

www.theunion.com.ng/politics/why-regionalism-state-police-agitation-failed/
See the article above and tell me it wasn't your kins men that rejected federalism!
Yeye people
If you mention Ondo again in your stupid fabricated propaganda, na fire go lynch you!
You were probably deaf when Mimiko recently mentioned that true federalism is the best way forward during Gani Fawehinmi memorial ceremony!
Better keep Ondo off your lying tongue, else...
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by Nobody: 3:41pm On Oct 23, 2015
superstar1:
See jamb questions.

Abeg read up.
Please answer d question, no dodge am
Re: Nigeria Need Restructuring, 5 Countries Under Confederation Like UK by kingzizzy: 3:41pm On Oct 23, 2015
superstar1:
Y1bos and their persistent effort to revise history. Unfortunately the history is too detailed to be unjustly revised by born losers.

Ironsi introduced the Unitary system of governance into Nigeria and it was a smoke-screen for y1bos to be lording it over everybody, after killing their leaders.

This is the full speech of Aguiyi Ironsi Speech on January 15. 1966
1966 Coup Speech Of Major General Johnson Auiyi-Ironsi
                                       

The government of the Federation of Nigeria having ceased to function, the Nigerian Armed Forces have been invited to form an Interim Military Government for the purposes of maintaining law and order, and of maintaining essential services.
This invitation has been accepted, and I, General J.T.U. Aguiyi-Ironsi, the General Officer
Commanding the Nigerian Army, have been formally invested with authority as Head of the Federation Military Government, and Supreme Commander of the Nigerian Armed
Forces.

SUSPENSION OF CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CONSTITUTION

The Federation Military Government hereby decrees:

a. the suspension of the provisions of the Constitution of the Federation relating to the office of President, the establishment of Parliament, and of the office of Prime Minister;

b. the suspension of the provisions of the Constitutions of the Regions relating to the establishment of the offices of Regional Governors, Regional Premiers and Executive Councils, and Regional
Legislatures.

APPOINTMENT OF REGIONAL MILITARY GOVERNORS

The Federation Military Government further decrees:

a. that there shall be appointed a Military Governor in each Region of the Federation, who shall be directly responsible to the Federal Military Government for the good government of the Region; b. the appointment as Adviser to the Military Governor of the Region, of the last person to hold the office of Governor of the Region under the suspended provisions of the Constitution.


THE JUDICIARY, THE CIVIL SERVICE AND THE POLICE

The Federation Military Government further decrees:

a. that the Chief Justice and all other holders of judicial appointments within the Federation shall continue in their appointments, and that the judiciary generally shall continue to function under their existing statutes;

b. that all holders of appointments in the Civil Service of the Federation and of the Regions shall continue to hold their appointments and to carry out their duties in the normal way, and that similarly the Nigeria Police Force and the Nigeria Special Constabulary shall continue to exercise their functions in the normal way;

c. that all Local Government Police Forces and Native Authority Police Forces shall be placed under the overall command of the Inspector-General.

INTERNAL AFFAIRS POLICY

The Federation Military Government announces, in connection with the internal affairs of the Federation:

a. that it is determined to suppress the current disorder in the Western Region and in the Tiv area of the Northern Region;

b. that it will declare Martial Law in any area of the Federation in which disturbances continue;

c. that it is its intention to maintain law and order in the Federation until such time as a new Constitution for the Federation, prepared in accordance with the wishes of the people, is brought into
being.

EXTERNAL AFFAIRS POLICY

The Federation Military Government announces, in connection with the external affairs of the country:

a. that it is desirous of maintaining the existing diplomatic relations with other States; and

b. that it is its intention to honour all treaty obligations and all financial agreements and obligations entered into by the previous Government.

CITIZENS TO CO-OPERATE

The Federation Military Government calls upon all citizens of the Federation to extend their full co-operation to the Government in the urgent task of restoring law and order in the present crisis, and to
continue in their normal occupations.
Your problem is that you dont know the difference between unification and unitary. All 4 regions were in place with federal fiscal policy and resource control. The only thing that was missing was political control which is not possible under military rule. It was Gowon that came in, abolished the regions, created States, took away resource control and fiscal policy. Yet you keep jumping about different threads saying it was Ironsi. Why didn't you ask Gowon why he did not keep to the confederation he and Ojukwu signed in Ghana? He couldn't keep it because it prevented him and his fellow Notherners from implementing their 'divide and rule' agender. It is not keeping to the confederal agreement by Gowon that directly led to the declaration of Biafra by Ojukwu. Yorubas and Northerners have ruled Nigeria for almost 50 yeas out of 55, why haven't they brought back regionalsm in all that time?


Let's not fool ourselves here. Unitary rule rewards the parasites up in the north handsomely and they will never let it go. Regionalism or confederalism will not only drastically reduce the political power of the North, it will also greatly reduce their federal Government subventions as well because of resource control.

Therefore, they will never agree to a confederation or regionalism. The North is most likely going to fight a war than let this happen. Anyone hoping for regionalism or resource control in Nigeria is wasting their time. The only solution is Biafra or Niger-Delta Republic
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