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Tkester:
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Nonsense!

Fact is: Russia will bury America in two weeks of a nuclear war. Putin was alleged to have said that "the only reason America wants any form of cooperation with us (Russia) is that they recognize that Russia will defeat America in a nuclear war under 30 minutes."

Mcbussy:
This is the basic truth. US is a country that is more economically buoyant and have more advanced weapons than Russia. From better assault rifles to Missile Cruisers to aircraft carriers... US of A got more. The only thing Russia has more than US is nuclear missiles. They almost have enough to destroy the whole world and US has enough nukes to destroy Russia too. It's better they don't fight, cos if they do, nukes would get involved and the whole world would never be dsame again...thats if it doesn't lead to a nuclear armageddon.

U better stop trying to convince all these myopic nigerian youths that are always guided by sentiments. Even d learned ones among them don't know what to do with logical proofs. No wonder they say most naija graduates are half baked....they'll never agree no matter how many reasons u give to prove US can sustain a conventional war for a longer period.

Rotimi47:
It not about the total amount spent on the military but the actual amount spent on weaponry; the United States overhead cost is 5 times of that of Russia while America spend over 100 million dollar to manufacture a military platform, the Russians manufacture the same if not better for 1/3 of the same price.

The United States is funding several wars all over the world one way or the order & they give military aids to several countries eg Israel, Egypt which amount to around 8 billion dollars not to talk of other countries & NATO while the Russians really give military aids and if they do, they are in millions not billions like the United States.

Another thing is that the United States have military bases in every region of the world & this require lots of money to maintain while the Russians have very few.

Let me say that there ain't much differences as per as what both Russia & the united States spend on their military If we factor all these together.

mazeltov:
My brother you have said it all. In fact, I stopped arguing on military matters on nairaland when someone from no where started comparing USS Nimitz carrier with speed boat and I was just dumbfounded

speedyGonzales:
dude, I get it you support Russia. I support neither country, I don't want them fighting at all.

but having just finished a course in the UK on satellite systems, where our Prof, analysed the infrastructure in place by the US (for instance the GPS, we use today was developed by American defence budget, and some of the capabilities are hidden from civilians). the US has military bases across the world, each fitted with satellite monitoring stations. an standing army on every continent (I think except Africa) and compared with other countries, the only country that can compete is France, but china is slowly joining. in conventional war, with just guns, then anyone could win. but with technological capabilities, this satellite technology naturally intersects with military and we analysed every country (admittedly Russia is more secretive about their capabilities than the US), but US is way out in front.

Everyone including america is afraid of Nuclear weapons and Nuclear war! because it could lead to an apocalypse

The Prof that taught (consults in satellite development project for across the world) told a story on the top of the range satellite that Yar adua wanted to buy from a UK company but the UK government blocked the sell, because it was the latest in satellite technology for defence.

Mcbussy:
So what would u count having bases and troops in almost all continents as?... Isnt it a strategic advantage?...Do u think war is just about deploying ur men to take ships from Russia to US?... They'll all get blown away b4 they even reach half way. But with the present day situation, US can even drop men on Russian soil without them even knowing when, where and how. Men fight wars, strategies and resources win wars.

Talking about Russia manufacturing better hardwares at 1/3 the amount it costs US. How many Russian design military hardwares do u know that are superior to American hardwares?... Even the Russian AK47/AK74 assault rifles are terrible when compared to the M4/M16. Yes, it has better stopping power on impact, but of what good is the stopping power when about 4 out of 5 rounds fired misses it's moving target at about 100m?... Well, maybe they now have a better and more modern assault rifle sha.

US has the best Naval hardwares. They have better ships, more Aircraft carriers than other countries. Their attach helicopter; Apaches are far more sophisticated than Russian Mi24s. I think Russia has some very competent fighter jets though.

mach7:
My friend, check out what is called GLONASS. It is a platform that is equal to if not superior than GPS. Also, make a research on Russia, its size and signals/satellite infrastructure. By virtue of Russia's size, it is able to install satellite monitoring stations in Uzbekistan to cover the southern part of Asia & the indian ocean, on Kamchatka/Vladivostok to cover the pacific and in Murmansk/Belarus to Cover the Artic/Atlantic and Europe. Having several military bases all over the world is old fashioned and expensive, just a couple of airstrikes or cruise missile strikes and they are a pile of rubble. Pls research bro and don't gobble all that your western 'prof' tells you.

Rotimi47:
It not about the total amount spent on the military but the actual amount spent on weaponry; the United States overhead cost is 5 times of that of Russia while America spend over 100 million dollar to manufacture a military platform, the Russians manufacture the same if not better for 1/3 of the same price.

The United States is funding several wars all over the world one way or the order & they give military aids to several countries eg Israel, Egypt which amount to around 8 billion dollars not to talk of other countries & NATO while the Russians really give military aids and if they do, they are in millions not billions like the United States.

Another thing is that the United States have military bases in every region of the world & this require lots of money to maintain while the Russians have very few.

Let me say that there ain't much differences as per as what both Russia & the united States spend on their military If we factor all these together.

mach7:
My brother, people like you always read Stratfor and swallow their BS hook, line and sinker. Pull up the specs of the specs of the Mi-28, the Ka-52 and the Ka-50 to mention a few and compare with other American models. That America uses its weaponry against weaker opponents and advertises their superiority, doesn't make it the best in the world. America has not fought a full fledged war with a world power since WW2 and this is same for Russia. That America owns a lot of Carriers doesn't equate to "best naval hardware". how well can such hardware perform against a full fledged military power like Russia? Check out the USS Donald Cook, the USS Cole and the USS Stark - epitomes of America's naval hardware. They were decapitated, sunk or destroyed by weaker nations in battle. Remember that last month, smaller Russian ships of 'unknown quality' fired Kalibr cruise missiles to destroy IS targets in Syria. So nothing is black and white. America is strong, so is Russia. Most importantly, we need a counter balance to America's dominance to keep everyone in check. Research more bro.

McTobe:
Good analysis just that u contradicted yourself in your conclusion. if US have military installations around the world like u said and Russia doesn't that is a simple conclusion that USA military budget is higher than Russia. Moreover one don't even need to be an expert in military study to know that US spend more in defence than Russia the following are US commands around every continent of the world
United States
Africa
Command
USAFRICOM
United States
Central
Command
USCENTCOM
United States
European
Command
USEUCOM
United States
Northern
Command USNORTHCOM
United States
Pacific
Command
USPACOM
United States
Southern
Command
USSOUTHCOM
United States
Special
Operations
Command
USSOCOM
United States
Strategic
Command
USSTRATCOM
United States
Transportation
Command
USTRANSCOM Now that does not automatically mean that US weapons and warfare strategies will strike with more precision and has a superior strategy of war.

989900:
USA:
Over 14,000 aircrafts, and 20 aircraft carriers of which 10 are Nimitz class.


China and Russia put together:

Have 3-4 aircraft carriers, and less than 9,000 aircrafts.

Mcbussy:
Don't be fooled, America will kick their ass in a conventional war. If u know d history of world War 2 very well, USSR got so depleted that they had to assign a rifle and 4 bullets to every 2 soldiers in Stalingrad. I repeat, it takes wealth to fight wars. Russia kept building nukes that wouldn't be used for a reason...to scare people that have alot to lose.

mach7:
My brother, people like you always read Stratfor and swallow their BS hook, line and sinker. Pull up the specs of the specs of the Mi-28, the Ka-52 and the Ka-50 to mention a few and compare with other American models. That America uses its weaponry against weaker opponents and advertises their superiority, doesn't make it the best in the world. America has not fought a full fledged war with a world power since WW2 and this is same for Russia. That America owns a lot of Carriers doesn't equate to "best naval hardware". how well can such hardware perform against a full fledged military power like Russia? Check out the USS Donald Cook, the USS Cole and the USS Stark - epitomes of America's naval hardware. They were decapitated, sunk or destroyed by weaker nations in battle. Remember that last month, smaller Russian ships of 'unknown quality' fired Kalibr cruise missiles to destroy IS targets in Syria. So nothing is black and white. America is strong, so is Russia. Most importantly, we need a counter balance to America's dominance to keep everyone in check. Research more bro.

babaireti:
But why doesn't RUSSIAN bury ISIS in Syria? why doesn't RUSSIA bury Ukrainians in Ukraine war?

Quelme:
abeg tell am jare. The Russian navy fired 24 Kalibr missiles all the way from the Caspian sea while passing through Iraq and Iran enroute Syria all hitting their target with pinpoint accuracy... The US of A is not the only Sheriff in town...

Rotimi47:
It not about the total amount spent on the military but the actual amount spent on weaponry; the United States overhead cost is 5 times of that of Russia while America spend over 100 million dollar to manufacture a military platform, the Russians manufacture the same if not better for 1/3 of the same price.

The United States is funding several wars all over the world one way or the order & they give military aids to several countries eg Israel, Egypt which amount to around 8 billion dollars not to talk of other countries & NATO while the Russians really give military aids and if they do, they are in millions not billions like the United States.

Another thing is that the United States have military bases in every region of the world & this require lots of money to maintain while the Russians have very few.

Let me say that there ain't much differences as per as what both Russia & the united States spend on their military If we factor all these together.

Shymm3x:
Nice post.

A lot of them don't know that over half of the US' military budget goes to the unnecessary bases that can easily be destroyed all over the world. And once you take that away compare the product cost of US hardware vis-a-vis Russian hardware - both countries spend almost the same amount on military budget.

Also, for all those bases - Russia has more than enough capabilities to destroy all of them, including the scrap metals a la aircraft carriers within 24 hours, without leaving Russia. Hence they invest a lot in ICBMs and medium range missiles. And in a war between the two - whoever wins continental Europe and Euroasia, should have the upper hand. A lot of these folks are just ignorant and there's no point wasting time on them.

I see you know a lot about military. Have you seen the Russian TOS-1 flame thrower? Darn!! That's one bad arse hardware. If Nigeria can lay hands on four of that - Boko Haram should be dead in a month.

CSTR2:
A US military base can easily be destroyed?
Who would even dare? Even china with America soldiers in her backyard is scared like a kitten.

Shymm3x:
You think China is the same as Russia, no? We all just need to pray against a war. Military bases are very vulnerable and can easily be destroyed.

Moreover, China isn't ready for war now. The country is playing the waiting game. But be rest assured that when the time is right - the Chinese will stand up and say enough is enough. Just watch.

Mcbussy:
So what would u count having bases and troops in almost all continents as?... Isnt it a strategic advantage?...Do u think war is just about deploying ur men to take ships from Russia to US?... They'll all get blown away b4 they even reach half way. But with the present day situation, US can even drop men on Russian soil without them even knowing when, where and how. Men fight wars, strategies and resources win wars.

Talking about Russia manufacturing better hardwares at 1/3 the amount it costs US. How many Russian design military hardwares do u know that are superior to American hardwares?... Even the Russian AK47/AK74 assault rifles are terrible when compared to the M4/M16. Yes, it has better stopping power on impact, but of what good is the stopping power when about 4 out of 5 rounds fired misses it's moving target at about 100m?... Well, maybe they now have a better and more modern assault rifle sha.

US has the best Naval hardwares. They have better ships, more Aircraft carriers than other countries. Their attach helicopter; Apaches are far more sophisticated than Russian Mi24s. I think Russia has some very competent fighter jets though.

Mcbussy:
All you have listed is already a strategic advantage. Let's assume Russia wants to invade US, will they just start setting up bases around the world?...it would take only spies to sabotage their efforts, not even military engagement. or do u think soldiers just board war ships and go to war?...this is not Nappoleon's age my brother.

mazeltov:
[b]Yes of course, this is not new, in fact this is not news!!! The General was absolutely right and so on point, we all know what Russia is capable of doing. Russia is the only country on earth that poses a military threat to America existence and America also poses a Military threat to Russia existence; Russai can destroy America and America can do the same thing to Russia, but the question is, what does Russia tend to lose ? They say: ''Never fight with an idiot else, he would drag you down and beat you with experience. That is the logic.!!

One thing we refuse to understand is that, America is facing two side war. #1 Military war, #2 Economic war.
As America is facing Military war with Russia, so also it is facing Economic war with China. China is a threat to America economic dominance and Russia is also a threat to America military domince which means, America is fighting double battles. But if Russia goes into a full-scale conventional war with America, America will lose a lot, few people understand what I'm saying. For example, If Russia loses N1,000 in war, America will lose N10,000.
If you think Russia ''gragra'' in Ukraine and Syria means military supremacy over America, then you have to wake up. If Iraq/Afghanistan war could incapacitate American's economy, how much more is Russia.
Untill when Russian economy is a large/sophisticated as American's own and untill when China military is as big/sophisticated as American's own, America won't think of fighting any of them. Don't fight with who has little or nothing to lose.
Yes Russia is a threat to America existence and America is also a threat to Russia existence. Final!!![/b]

CSTR2:
I think china has japan to worry about.
It is only a matter of time before japan becomes the biggest military dog in asia.
Chinese actions have provoked japan to the point of militirization and America is gladly egging them on.

mazeltov:
you have no idea what weapons is all about. Comparing Russian weapons with American's weapons is just like comparing green apple with red apple and the guy was right and he made a very good point. Military spending is another determinant of who would win war

Mcbussy:
Leave them, they don't seem to realise the importance of aerial superiority in combat. When you can deploy fighter jets and all sort of fighter aircrafts from almost every part of ur enemy's territorial waters, that's true power.

Rotimi47:
let state that Ak74 is better than American M4/M16 riffles that jam in the thick of battle; the only advantage the M16 have is range - M16 range is 650 mtrs while Russian very reliable Ak74 range is 600mtrs. You spoke about attack helicopters but you tend not to know about Russian Kamov Ka-50 which is superior to any attack helicopter the united States have in its inventory, forget all these western propagandas.

Let talk about naval assets; American aircraft carriers cost billions but it takes just one Russian made anti ship missile called Brahamos to sink each one of them! I hope you can remember what just took place in Syria? The United States navy can only fire cruise missiles from very large warships and the best of their cruise missile range is just 250km while the Russians showed the world by firing their own cruise missiles from ships that are almost the size of a frigate and the cruise missiles range is 1,500km.

The united States & the west have brainwashed lots of people with their propagandas but in reality its a different ball game; let take about tanks, The United States main battle tank is M1 - Abraham tank which is inferior to Russian T90 tank not to talk about Russia's new thank that will start rolling in; its called ( Armanda ).

The Russians have a tank like flame thrower that its rocket projectile is equivalent to a nuclear bomb and what makes it more deadly is that it is very accurate.

Further more, a Mi24 is a multipurpose helicopter that takes up the role of an attack helicopter and a lifter.
Let me say that the United States know that there is an imbalance in military capabilities between them and Russia and they are trying to reduce them, that's why America keep trying to put anti missile defenses in between them and Russia because they know that only Russia can take them out but they try to hide the fact by saying that they are trying to counter Iran.

Finally, let me state that I don't see any need for Russia a country that can hit all American bases by the torch of a button to start opening bases all over the world like the united States.

The United States President Obama made a statement at the middle of the Ukrainian crisis; he said on CNN that no country in the world want to see actual combat between the United States and Russia.

I rest my case.

pacino26:
Another Mother Russia thread. waiting on my Putin friends to show.