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Reyginus:
Another claim? Who have you been interacting with?

it is a logical conclusion. if you can accept that one occurrence has nothing to do with God, then you can also accept that two more occurrences have nothing to do with God. if you are consistent and not intellectually dishonest, you will suddenly find that there is nothing that has to do with God. you are free to present logic that dictates otherwise.

PMIcon:
Again permit me to ask you what you meant by "reasonable scientific discussion".
Also, you said "no one was there" how did you know that? Who came back from the past to tell us, "I travelled to the beginning and no one was there when nature began."
Christians believe that God created nature. They have grounds to say they know how it all began because there is God. Atheists on the other hand have no premise to stand on when they say, "No one knows" or "Know one was there," because those statements require a miracle to make and be right when your premise is: you have to prove things to believe it.

let me kill two birds with a stone,
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reasonable scientific discussion is one in which the subject being discussed is falsifiable. it's as simple as that.

i know no one was there because i know the earth wasn't there, and humanity cannot survive without the earth. pretty simple.

there is no God. christians do have no premise to stand on when they say there is God. or that he created the universe. because those statements require a miracle and they have no logic whatsoever. also, the proof that no human was there is simple, we don't know how the universe formed. if someone were there, they would have told us, so we would know. and whatever they told us would agree with all the observations we have made. every single verse of the creations story directly contradicts everything science has discovered within the last milennia. you are free to bring up your favorite verse as i show you why it's a fantasy and nothing else.
not only that, it is a copied story. several civilizations have this type of story. only with different Gods. that is another contradiction.
perhaps the most devastating contradiction is what arises when the seeming perfection of the creator is juxtaposed with his creation.

i rest my case.

Teempakguy:
it is a logical conclusion. if you can accept that one occurrence has nothing to do with God, then you can also accept that two more occurrences have nothing to do with God. if you are consistent and not intellectually dishonest, you will suddenly find that there is nothing that has to do with God. you are free to present logic that dictates otherwise.

I think I know the problem. You are ignoring the over 5000 religions initially mentioned for just one. Now think again. How many claim so? I mean that a God or God controls all.

Teempakguy:
it is a logical conclusion. if you can accept that one occurrence has nothing to do with God, then you can also accept that two more occurrences have nothing to do with God. if you are consistent and not intellectually dishonest, you will suddenly find thi know no one was there because i know the earth wasn't there, and humanity cannot survive without the earth. pretty simple.at there is nothing that has to do with God. you are free to present logic that dictates otherwise.

let me kill two birds with a stone,
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reasonable scientific discussion is one in which the subject being discussed is falsifiable. it's as simple as that.

there is no God. christians do have no premise to stand on when they say there is God. or that he created the universe. because those statements require a miracle and they have no logic whatsoever. also, the proof that no human was there is simple, we don't know how the universe formed. if someone were there, they would have told us, so we would know. and whatever they told us would agree with all the observations we have made. every single verse of the creations story directly contradicts everything science has discovered within the last milennia. you are free to bring up your favorite verse as i show you why it's a fantasy and nothing else.
not only that, it is a copied story. several civilizations have this type of story. only with different Gods. that is another contradiction.
perhaps the most devastating contradiction is what arises when the seeming perfection of the creator is juxtaposed with his creation.

i rest my case.

I keep seeing assertions that has not been verified or cannot be verified in your statements. And you are the ones who say things must be verifiable to be reasonable for discussion.

Is this statement falsifiable without someone who was in the beginning of all things: "There is no God." NO ONE WITH A SCIENTIFIC MIND EVER MAKES SUCH STATEMENTS. A bit acceptable if you just said, " I and many others have not seen adequate evidence to conclude that there is God."

Secondly, it is a known fact that people can see the same thing and read different meanings to it. Once you believe there is no God, even if you see God you may say something like "My mind was just tricking me."

Trying to limit truth to what is verifiable is saying you already have all the details and gadgets ever possible to have for verifying claims.

jayriginal:
So if both listen, the atheists will change their minds and the Christians will be able to help the atheists (as opposed to changing their minds)?

Guy, you haven't been listening!

B\cos his conclusions don't supposrt your stance abi

jayriginal:
He's asking both sides to listen so that one can help the other change his mind. He's assuming one side is correct. I leave you to guess which side.

In short he is saying, let's listen to each other so we can help you accept our point of view. How does that sound to you?

Fair enough. or would you dare lie atheists here don't try to change others to their beliefs.

Teempakguy:
well a christian cannot be an hinduism follower, neither can he be a gay supporter.

anyway, atheists do not do the bolded. in fact, they do the exact opposite. I'm sure you know many atheists are well versed in the bible. they actually understand what is going on here. it IS fantasy! you can only come to the realization of that when you actually take time to study these religions.

Many atheists are absolutely ignorant of the Bible too.

jayriginal:
He's asking both sides to listen so that one can help the other change his mind. He's assuming one side is correct. I leave you to guess which side.

In short he is saying, let's listen to each other so we can help you accept our point of view. How does that sound to you?

Teachers must be going through really tough times! So if I said, "If Christians learn to listen to atheists about tasking their minds instead of asking God to do everything, many of them will change their minds" -- you would say I meant Christians would become atheists? Or that the statement means ALL Christians will become atheists?


The problem is you are neglecting the fact that just as we have many religious groups who believe in God but believe other stuffs that contradict each other, the world of atheists is not one pure ideology too only that atheists BELIEVE in NO-GOD.

Not all atheists are of the unscientific mindset that they cannot believe in miracles. They only have not seen evidence for miracles but they are open to knowledge in this regard. By the very nature of the mindset for scientific discovery, you cannot say, "This can never happen," otherwise you stop learning.

I hope atheists will stop arrogating to themselves the ability to reason and the word "science". If you don't know me, at least you may have heard of Albert Einstein and many religious scientists all around the world spanning several decades.. Any time religion is discussed, you see atheists talking as if religious people don't believe in science.

Many atheists are neither scientists nor scientific in reasoning. They are the ones limited in knowledge by coming to conclusion too soon that there is no God or miracles.

PDBonline:
Teachers must be going through really tough times! So if I said, "If Christians learn to listen to atheists about tasking their minds instead of asking God to do everything, many of them will change their minds" -- you would say I meant Christians would become atheists? Or that the statement means ALL Christians will become atheists?

Teachers must really be going through tough times. I endeavor to write as simply as possible. If you don't get it ask someone to explain it to you abeg.

PS
Atheism is not belief in no God as you put it.

@Oladgbeud or something like that says a man who lost his legs needs no healing miracle to restore the legs because he is not really sick. huh

UyiIredia:
Many atheists are absolutely ignorant of the Bible too.

I agree.. but far more Christians take the Bible at Face-value (Faith) without verifying it with FACTS .. afterall the Bible did not happen in mystic fictional worlds did it?

voltron:
I agree.. but far more Christians take the Bible at Face-value (Faith) without verifying it with FACTS .. afterall the Bible did not happen in mystic fictional worlds did it?

Yeah, in fact the Bible is still happening. I'm a proof of what God can do in the life of a man but people who say God doesn't exist, miracles don't exist and refuse to listen to us are missing a lot.

PMIcon:
Yeah, in fact the Bible is still happening. I'm a proof of what God can do in the life of a man but people who say God doesn't exist, miracles don't exist and refuse to listen to us are missing a lot.

please sir. what is your miracle(s)