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IGBOPRINCE:
pls which of the edo languages the urhobo re similar with? Cos the last time I travelled to edo state. I was marvelled at the existence of many languages in edo state.
The auchi,the esan, the okada, the oredos, the akoko edos and the binis. Pls I respects your comments but I need to know the particular language that s similar to that of urhobo at bolded.

I've been trying to ignore you but you seem bent on posting stuff you know nothing about.
There are no languages like oredo, okada , bini.. Oredo and okada are places, they speak bini. Every esan man can understand bini and vice versa. Auchi is etsako, and is the dialect closer to urhobo, oghena, etsako - urhobo, oghene for GOD, in similar fashion mainstream edo has many loaned words to urhobos which are far too numerous for me to start listing especially as I don't speak urhobo. Esan, urhobos, itsekiri, etsako, emai, ora and parts of anioma all claim their descent to benin and we all know their times of migration/settlement and their founders. It's in history books, intelligence reports and preserved records

bigfrancis21:
I believe that you are an adult and you are capable of holding a debate without resorting to insults. You live in a foreign country and I expect better etiquette from you.

What makes him ignorant? You do realize now that I wasn't just making up things for myself and actually had a source? You think I just wake up one morning and say things?

Noise. Show us historical evidence besides someone's blog post.

I can make a website and distort history too and you'd eat it up.

Ihuomadinihu:
Ok,thanks. I was only trying to explain that Language is a pointer to certain origins. For Igbo words to exist in Urhobo,then some Igbos most have settled in Urhobo at some point in history.

you too talk!
Just read!

Goodboiy:
Hi peeps.. I haven't create any new thread recently due to some reasons best known To me, Although I still Remain your loyal boy "Goodboiyy" . Below are some Igbo and Yoruba word used in Urhobo language.

1. Biko : Biko is an Igbo word for "Please" And it means same in Urhobo, in Urhobo you usually hear word like "Oghene' biko keme' Igho" Meaning "God please Give me money".

2. Olori : Olori is a Yoruba Word for Head .. in Urhobo it means the same thing..

3. Orgor' : Orgor' is an Igbo word for 'Inlaw'. It means the same thing in Urhobo.. for example I might say "Oniovo Orgor we' nkor " meaning 'brother how is Your Inlaw ".

4. Omo' : Omo'r is a Yoruba word for Child, It has same meaning in Urhobo.. I can make statement like " e' Freemanan Omo'r meh' … meaning "Freemanan is my Son"

5. Obara' : Obara is an Igbo word for blood.. It means Same In Urhobo.. Why The Igbo woman will shout "Obara Jesus" and Urhobo Woman will say "Oba'rah' Re' Jesu"

6. Jesu' : Jesu' is an Yoruba word for Jesus . its still the same in Urhobo

7. Ew'a : Ew'a is another Yoruba word for Beans and its thesame with Urhobo. Ew'a is pronounced in Urhobo exactly thesame with That of Yoruba

8. OBA : OBA is a Yoruba word for king , We still use it in Urhobo.. If we Want to Call God.. we say Oba' risi' meaning " King Of The Word"

9. Akpere : Is a Yoruba word for basket, it means the same Thing in Urhobo

10. Ego : Its an Igbo word for Money.. in Urhobo we say Igho .. I believe the word belongs to Igboid.

11. ejime : Its an Igbo word for Twins, Its spelt and Pronounced The same in Urhobo

12. Osusu : Is a Yoruba Word for Monthly savings. Its the same in Urhobo

Pls don't derail the thread. THANKS

Olori in Yoruba means Queen.

nice thread.

NewNigeriaMind:
You should be ashamed of yourself as a MOD, seun please how can you make this tribalist a MOD.

Your sources is from a website that is everything anti-Yoruba.

Leaving that aside, what is the correlation between this two.

From your initial post:

Ancient Yoruba kings were never addressed as Oba but were known by their various territorial titles such as alaafin of xyz, ajuwale of abc. We begin to see the appearance of Oba in Yoruba land after the Binis conquered Lagos and installed an Oba of Lagos (mind you this Oba was a Bini Oba, not a Yoruba Oba, ruling over Lagos) after which the usage of 'Oba' began to spread over Yoruba land.


Now the source you quoted says this:

(8.). "Oba" is a word adopted from Benin and not Yoruba as many made us to believe. There is no king of Yoruba's people. and if there is, what was his title?;how many Yoruba prominent traditional leaders/rulers carried the title Oba? since when?.if Yoruba calls their king Oba,it doesn't mean we derived our king's name (N'Oba) from them. Everyone has a name for king in the their native language/tongue. The Oba of Lagos is Eleko of Eko not Oba, the British change it to Oba. the Origin of word "oba" is Benin


what is use of this "the Binis conquered Lagos and installed an Oba of Lagos" in the context of your source "Eleko of Eko not Oba"

you are shameless tribalist

you are really dumb THOUGH cause the reasonable question is, are we are to believe Oba is a Bini WORD( EVEN THOUGH THE BINI PEOPLE DONT CLAIM IT TO BE SO) because of this "British change it to Oba." and your ignorant and hate filled sources concluded without any eveidence in the write up "the British change it to Oba. the Origin of word "oba" is Benin"

Like Ilekeh ASKED, one day you Igbo people will say Eko is an Igbo word

My being a mod has nothing to do with the discourse at hand. My being a moderator does not elevate me to any higher status than you already are. Neither does it mean that I cannot come in to correct an impression where necessary. We are all here to learn and I am free to debate freely with anybody on this forum so far as the debate is conducted within the rules of this forum, which I have always done. So please, drop all that moderator talk.

Anyway, I am not Bini or Edo. Let NigerMan1 himself take the debate from here.

Kirigidi:
OP, I'm not so happy wit dis ur post. Why do u hav to treat Urhobo dis way nd surprisly, u ar even an Urhobo? How did u know dat it was Urhobo language dat borrowd those words frm Igbo nd Yoruba languages, nd not d other way round? Is it because Urhobo is a minority language nd d other two ar majority languages? So u mean because Urhobo is a minor language there4 Igbo nd Yoruba languages can't loan/borrow words from it? Dat is a lie. Languages dat ar neighbors can borrow words frm one anoda irrespectiv of size. While I'm not disputin d fact dat Urhobo language share these words in common d them, it is also possible dat those words u listd were borrowd frm Urhobo language by Igbo nd Yoruba languages. Moreova, d name "Jesu" u mentiond did not in anyway originatd frm Yoruba. Rather, "Jesu" is d Portuguese name for Jesus. And if u culd rememba, d Portuguese were d first Europeans we interactd wit via trades, nd many of dia words were adoptd by our ancestors, e.g. oro (gold), sabato (sandals), Escravos, Forcados, etc.

you re making sense bro..
I also believe in the other way round.

Abagworo:
Which of course is related to Igbo word Obi and still said to be traced to Bini word Oba which is shared between Bini and Yoruba which in turn means we are all related.

I doubt that Ovie is related to the Igbo word Obi. If there's an Igbo word related to Ovie, it is Eze. This will surprise most people because Eze and Ovie don't look anything alike. But I believe they are cognate.

Goodboiy:
Hi peeps.. I haven't create any new thread recently due to some reasons best known To me, Although I still Remain your loyal boy "Goodboiyy" . Below are some Igbo and Yoruba word used in Urhobo language.

1. Biko : Biko is an Igbo word for "Please" And it means same in Urhobo, in Urhobo you usually hear word like "Oghene' biko keme' Igho" Meaning "God please Give me money".

2. Olori : Olori is a Yoruba Word for Head .. in Urhobo it means the same thing..

3. Orgor' : Orgor' is an Igbo word for 'Inlaw'. It means the same thing in Urhobo.. for example I might say "Oniovo Orgor we' nkor " meaning 'brother how is Your Inlaw ".

4. Omo' : Omo'r is a Yoruba word for Child, It has same meaning in Urhobo.. I can make statement like " e' Freemanan Omo'r meh' … meaning "Freemanan is my Son"

5. Obara' : Obara is an Igbo word for blood.. It means Same In Urhobo.. Why The Igbo woman will shout "Obara Jesus" and Urhobo Woman will say "Oba'rah' Re' Jesu"

6. Jesu' : Jesu' is an Yoruba word for Jesus . its still the same in Urhobo

7. Ew'a : Ew'a is another Yoruba word for Beans and its thesame with Urhobo. Ew'a is pronounced in Urhobo exactly thesame with That of Yoruba

8. OBA : OBA is a Yoruba word for king , We still use it in Urhobo.. If we Want to Call God.. we say Oba' risi' meaning " King Of The Word"

9. Akpere : Is a Yoruba word for basket, it means the same Thing in Urhobo

10. Ego : Its an Igbo word for Money.. in Urhobo we say Igho .. I believe the word belongs to Igboid.

11. ejime : Its an Igbo word for Twins, Its spelt and Pronounced The same in Urhobo

12. Osusu : Is a Yoruba Word for Monthly savings. Its the same in Urhobo

Pls don't derail the thread. THANKS

but king in urhobo is called Ovie not Oba

bigfrancis21:
Dude, Bini and Yoruba languages are 2 different languages, save for a few words in common just as Igbo and Yoruba share words in common but are 2 totally different languages. When a Bini person writes his language here, you as a Yoruba will not pick up what he is trying to say. This is a misrepresentation of facts. Edo is not even classified as Yoruboid to begin with but as an entirely different language class on its own. Stop the misrepresentation of facts.

I didn't said Edo is the Same as the Yoruba... I said both of "em are mutual neighbours since the ancient time and also trading partners..... And that ancient mutuality is what bring about this modern time closeness between the two... And I also mean sharing cultural ties does not mean they are Yoruba.. But both are like bread and butter likewise Itsekiri..
And I also stated that the Edo's stand a better chance to understand our language than ours understanding theirs because there are Yoruba speaking community in Edo state.

bigfrancis21:
I believe that you are an adult and you are capable of holding a debate without resorting to insults. You live in a foreign country and I expect better etiquette from you.

What makes him ignorant? You do realize now that I wasn't just making up things for myself and actually had a source? You think I just wake up one morning and say things?

Your source is a tribalist forum attacking anything everything Yoruba.

Because you read something online doesn't make it a fact, that you of all people should know.

I forget you tribalist always believe what strokes your emotions.

IlekeHD:
Yoruba people, una fall my hand.

How can you sit there and let one Igbo non grata mod rewrite your history.

He even said "omo" and "Oba" arent Yoruba words.

Seun see ya life. Is this really your agenda?

No mind that bignothing mod. I think Iamtriblist already exposed him as a fraud awhile back. Nobody takes that fool seriously anymore. And this guy is a mod as dull as he is. No wonder Nigeria is not moving forward because uneducated fools are given jobs. He goes around with an air of intellectualism but when you probe him, you discover he lacks basic knowledge and logic.

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bigfrancis21:
My being a mod has nothing to do with the discourse at hand. My being a moderator does not elevate me to any higher status than you already are. Neither does it mean that I cannot come in to correct an impression where necessary. We are all here to learn and I am free to debate freely with anybody on this forum so far as the debate is conducted within the rules of this forum, which I have always done. So please, drop all that moderator talk.

Anyway, I am not Bini or Edo. Let NigerMan1 himself take the debate from here.

Your are making a fundamental false statement and backing it up with a worse source, even worst than wiki.

Being a MOD places higher responsible on you and I believe you should be smart enough to know that

bigfrancis21:
I am not misinforming anybody. I have evidence for what I had said:



http://ihuanedo.ning.com/forum/topics/why-yoruba-never-had-an-empire-but-civilized-by-benin?groupUrl=healtheducation&x=1&groupId=2971192%3AGroup%3A14663&id=2971192%3ATopic%3A124153&page=1

I am not derailing the thread and, just like others, only corrected some of the words the wordlist the op provided. Others, Urhobos I believe, have corrected him on some of the words he listed as Urhobo to not be Urhobo words but gave their actual Urhobo words.

Anyway, I have made my point.

If you want to cite people on the lunatic fringe as your source of information that is fine. But remember your audience on nairaland are far more sane and informed.

I wouldn't be surprised if you are the author of the link you provided since we know your views already.

Radoillo:
I doubt that Ovie is related to the Igbo word Obi. If there's an Igbo word related to Ovie, it is Eze. This will surprise most people because Eze and Ovie don't look anything alike. But I believe they are cognate.

Indeed.. Ovie is actually derived from Ogie, the original edo word for king, that's why the first kings were called ogiso- shortened from ogie- iso, meaning sky-kings since they were believed to have descended from the sky

FisifunKododada:
No mind that bignothing mod. I think Iamtriblist already exposed him as a fraud awhile back. Nobody takes that fool seriously anymore. And this guy is a mod as dull as he is. No wonder Nigeria is not moving forward because uneducated fools are given jobs. He goes around with an air of intellectualism but when you probe him, you discover he lacks basic knowledge and logic.

I heard He even claimed that Ijebu Igbo and egba people from Ogun state are Igbos. Like wtf?

Seun raise your moderator standards. This is a big shame.

Classicool:
I didn't said Edo is the Same as the Yoruba... I said both of "em are mutual neighbours since the ancient time and also trading partners..... And that ancient mutuality is what bring about this modern time closeness between the two... And I also mean sharing cultural ties does not mean they are Yoruba.. But both are like bread and butter likewise Itsekiri..
And I also stated that the Edo's stand a better chance to understand our language than ours understanding theirs because there are Yoruba speaking community in Edo state.

Well, my point is Bini or Edoid languages are totally different from Yoruba language or its dialects. The Yoruba-speaking communities in Edo state share border with Yoruba land, however the core Edoid languages in Edo state are different from Yoruba language.

bigfrancis21:
My being a mod has nothing to do with the discourse at hand. My being a moderator does not elevate me to any higher status than you already are. Neither does it mean that I cannot come in to correct an impression where necessary. We are all here to learn and I am free to debate freely with anybody on this forum so far as the debate is conducted within the rules of this forum, which I have always done. So please, drop all that moderator talk.

Anyway, I am not Bini or Edo. Let NigerMan1 himself take the debate from here.

Yet you didn't address the disconnect I pointed out between your initial post and the source you are quoting. you are a bigot even if you don't realize it, in your subconscious you are a bigot that's why on reflex you make silly comments to attack yorubas without even knowing it.

IlekeHD:
I heard He even claimed that Ijebu Igbo and egba people from Ogun state are Igbos. Like wtf?

Seun raise your moderator standards. This is a big shame.

I am not surprised. Trust me if these people can claim Igalla they can claim any tribe. Seun needs to do the needful, Walahi.

bigfrancis21:
Well, my point is Bini or Edoid languages are totally different from Yoruba language or its dialects. The Yoruba-speaking communities in Edo state share border with Yoruba land, however the core Edoid languages in Edo state are different from Yoruba language.

We are still saying the same thing.

bigfrancis21:
My being a mod has nothing to do with the discourse at hand. My being a moderator does not elevate me to any higher status than you already are. Neither does it mean that I cannot come in to correct an impression where necessary. We are all here to learn and I am free to debate freely with anybody on this forum so far as the debate is conducted within the rules of this forum, which I have always done. So please, drop all that moderator talk.

Anyway, I am not Bini or Edo. Let NigerMan1 himself take the debate from here.

I disagree with you Mr. MOD...part of your responsibilities is to right the wrong here, and if there is anything you don't know i think you should keep quiet.

FisifunKododada:
I am not surprised. Trust me if these people can claim Igalla they can claim any tribe. Seun needs to do the needful, Walahi.

A while ago on nl, someone even claimed that Ekiti is associated with igbo language because it was different from central Yoruba. God forbid bad news.

Clowns.

IlekeHD:
A while ago on nl, someone even claimed that Ekiti is associated with igbo language because it was different from central Yoruba. God forbid bad news.

Clowns.

Hahahaaha....We have no close or distant association with Igbo Language. I think these people should stop distorting history. If by marriage....Yes

See everyone trying to dissociate from Igbo. Too bad!The stone rejected b y the builders will someday become the cornerstone. See Akwa Ibom today!

NewNigeriaMind:
Seun please make Ilekeh a MOD, you have nothing to lose. If The ignorant person I read his post on the second page can be a MOD.

At least we know she is smart.

I support this motion, walahi. IlekehHD is a hundred times more intelligent and knowledgeable than bignothing

IlekeHD:
It's insecurity and something the Igbo nation has to overcome.

It's getting out of hand.....it's becoming pathetic to see bigfrancis misinform the public and to turn this section to anti-Yoruba under Seun's watch.

The guy was a tribalist before he became a mod.

Watch him delete our posts.

Seun may not have the calling to uphold the honour of the Yoruba race, he has done his part of the deal, it is for us to match the insolents in equal measure, it is our Yoruba: no Oduduwa here, no Awo.

Meanwhile, bigfrancis21 is created to persecute Yoruba, I don't expect anything less. He is fulfilling his calling. Look the way they often click likes for each other? That's mob-action at play.

I don't and wont hate Igbo because of bigfrancis, he is projecting his persona, and not the Igbo verdict, and if thats the Igbo verdict, then the Yoruba verdict has not materialized cause you don't play by your assailants rules.

The end game is for the champions'.

Appareil:
See everyone trying to dissociate from Igbo. Too bad!The stone rejected b y the builders will someday become the cornerstone. See Akwa Ibom today!

Do you guys want to claim 85% of akwa ibom too?

IlekeHD:
A while ago on nl, someone even claimed that Ekiti is associated with igbo language because it was different from central Yoruba. God forbid bad news.

Clowns.

That claim alone is enough to start a war. Clowns abi clowns.

IlekeHD:
Do you guys want to claim 85% of akwa ibom too?

I am not even Igbo sir! I am sympathising with them.Thankyou!

FisifunKododada:
I am not surprised. Trust me if these people can claim Igalla they can claim any tribe. Seun needs to do the needful, Walahi.

They're claiming Igala?


Lmaooo lawd dash these people sense

deramarks:
We all speak d same language nau but we don't know lol one day while d hausas were speakin their language I was tryin to figure out if there was anytin about d language I cud grab nd I tort I head one say" ukwu mah!" Which means diz ma waist in igbo lol I cudnt stop laffin wehn I remember ma shock dat day lol. Just try listenin to d hausas rap their languge u'll hear a lot of ur own language dere used for oda purpose

You heard wrong. What you heard is Kuku mah - which means in addition or plus or moreover.