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Re: Paris Terror Attacks Is Obama And Nato's Handwork by Nobody: 10:26am On Nov 16, 2015
Fash20:
sure!
Good to see that you are finally seeing the big picture.

Now bow to your master grin
Re: Paris Terror Attacks Is Obama And Nato's Handwork by neocortex: 10:50am On Nov 16, 2015
PappyMason:
Has any of you ever bothered to ask how America ended up spending hundreds of billions and over 10 yrs in Afghanistan chasing first the Taliban, then fighting Al Qaeda to looking for Osama only to come out empty? This is the despite the fact that the Taliban and Al QAEDA in Afghanistan and neighboring Pakistan neither had a functional air force, strategic intel gathering , sophisticate naval forces and were populated by illiterate afghans equipped with Vietnam era weapons.

Think for once!

The US govt creates false flags and fake enemies to deploy troops around the world.
I guess it was also false flag operations that made hitler attempted to take over
europe.

I remember Russia also invaded afghanistan and fled at the end of the day,
was it also CIA false flag that fuels Russia imperialistic tendencies.

Stop using singular acts to make sweeping generalization.
If a fictional story exists does it mean all stories are fiction ?

A little reflection will point you in the right direction.
Re: Paris Terror Attacks Is Obama And Nato's Handwork by Nobody: 10:53am On Nov 16, 2015
neocortex:
I guess it was also false flag operations that made hitler attempted to take over
europe.

I remember Russia also invaded afghanistan and fled at the end of the day,
was it also CIA false flag that fuels Russia imperialistic tendencies.

Stop using singular acts to make sweeping generalization.
If a fictional story exists does it mean all stories are fiction ?

A little reflection will point you in the right direction.
GBTYO:
Pearl Habour and World War II

https://orientalreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Pearl_Harbor.jpg

Though President Franklin D. Roosevelt was credited with lifting America out of the despair of the Great Depression, FDR willfully withheld information he had been privy to months in advance of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Instead he chose to sacrifice most of the Pacific fleet though he ensured the fleet’s crucial three aircraft carriers were safely relocated. But most importantly the US President knowingly permitted the murder of 2,403 Americans and the wounding of another 1,178. All because he felt too weak to oppose the strong anti-war sentiment of the American public, FDR let the war come to him and all those dead and suffering Americans just to enter World War II. His deceitful actions willfully ensured that mass numbers of Americans would be murdered just to start America’s involvement in the most deadly war in human history.

Roosevelt’s false flag crime against humanity as the first and only attack on American soil since the War of 1812 ranks despicably high. That said, sixty years later the second and only other attack on the US homeland since resulted in the loss of even more American lives and ranks as the biggest, most disgraceful false flag of them all in the entire US history – 9/11. But more on that false flag later.

To demonstrate that the US does not have the cornerstone on such shameful human atrocities, Hitler regularly employed false flags. In Operation Himmler he ordered SS troopers to attack his own people among them a German radio station as antecedent events that led to blaming the Poles and invading their homeland in 1939 to ignite the Second World War. Six years earlier Hitler was responsible for setting fire to the German parliament building in order to pave his way to seizing power and suspending all liberties.

As false flag architects and firm believers in their effectiveness to stir national opinion, Gestapo commander Hermann Göring has an infamous quote illustrating this point:

“The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.”
Re: Paris Terror Attacks Is Obama And Nato's Handwork by neocortex: 11:03am On Nov 16, 2015
dammytosh:
The nonsense you typed does not require any interpretation.


You called 8 men strapped with suicide belt and AK 47 shooting erratically an operation that requires CIA ?

The concert they went to, people were not checked for any threats before entry.

Terrorist attacked Charlie Hebdo and killed several cartoonists in the same France.

Stop unnecessary conspiracy theory and go and sleep.

NO GROUP has even claimed responsibility yet you TYPE ISIS responded in 24 hours. What if it is retaliation to France's intervention in Mali ?

Did America bring down the russian plane too ?

M0r0nic Reasoning called CONSPIRACY THEORY
Don't mind pappymason, the pseudo-analyst,
even a 12 year old with an automatic rifle
can wreak more havoc in a crowded place
than a soldier could dream of achieving on
the battlefied.

The Jihadists know this that is why they chose
the easiest target.

To pappymason and his ilks , the numerous
lone wolf gunmen shootings in US are also CIA's false
flag operations.
Re: Paris Terror Attacks Is Obama And Nato's Handwork by Nobody: 11:11am On Nov 16, 2015
neocortex:
Don't mind pappymason, the pseudo-analyst,
even a 12 year old with an automatic rifle
can wreak more havoc in a crowded place
than a soldier could dream of achieving on
the battlefied.

The Jihadists know this that is why they chose
the easiest target.

To pappymason and his ilks , the numerous
lone wolf gunmen shootings in US are also CIA's false
flag operations.
In 3 mths time the US and NATO will have boots in Syria

Watch how the objectives will switch from fighting ISIS to something totally different.


Remember how the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq started off with one singular goal but ended up a web of lies?

From falsely claiming Sadaam was behind Al Qaeda attack to WMDS to stabilizing Iraq to a sectarian war to ISIL.


Use your heads.


GBTYO:
Operation Gladio emerged and flourished throughout the cold war period from the early 1950’s through the 1980’s in reaction to both a potential Soviet invasion and the very real growth of the Communist Party within pockets of Western Europe, particularly Italy where at one time one third of the voting electorate consisted of Communists. Gladio evolved into right wing state sponsored terrorism funded by NATO and the American CIA. A strategy of tension designed to instill fear into the general population was created by carrying out various false flag events such as planting bombs in crowded public markets, train stations and targeted buildings killing dozens of innocent Italian citizens then blaming it on the leftist Red Brigade.
https://journalistsunleashed.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/12bmadrid-bombing.jpg
The CIA’s active involvement in staging terrorism, coups and assassinations around the world has been proven beyond a doubt despite the US government’s standard official policy to cover-up, lie and deny. These state sponsored acts of terror were not limited to just Italy only but evidence exists that they were also committed in France, Belgium, Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway, Germany and Switzerland and later expanded heavily in the 1990’s with [b]Gladio B [/b]in Turkey and Central Asia as well. For many decades US State Department personnel along with CIA operatives covertly working behind the scenes with NATO and various right wing reactionary groups have included high ranking European politicians, judges, security forces, military officers and organized crime drug lords to repeatedly kill hundreds of innocent civilians en masse.
Re: Paris Terror Attacks Is Obama And Nato's Handwork by neocortex: 11:24am On Nov 16, 2015
SirLewis:
To each his own. I can't shake hands with a man who has attempted to use same hand to kill his own family with a gun. In your spare time you can Google "Operation Northwoods" and just mull over the war in Afghanistan after 9/11.
If I may ask, how did you know about operation northwoods ?
was it through your investigative prowess or through the
same cunning CIA ?

No one is denying that false flags is real,
but labeling every act as false flag only points
to the fact that one is too lazy to dig for more facts.
One potent weapon of extremists is their enemies underestimating
their capabilities.
Every one says "they can't do that" , until they strike,
then the song now becomes "it must be some other powerful
people that did it".
The cycle continues until the Islamist overrrun their enemies.


Possibility is never equal to reality.
Re: Paris Terror Attacks Is Obama And Nato's Handwork by Kemy11(m): 11:51am On Nov 16, 2015
Snowden made some of these revelations that why they wanted to kill him. After the death of Gadaffi and what Libya turned I don't trust Americans. If u re not politically inclined you may not understand the game. french govt is aware of the operation. How can six places attacked without intelligence report. This is no conspiracy theory. THIS IS POLITICS.
Re: Paris Terror Attacks Is Obama And Nato's Handwork by Fash20: 12:53pm On Nov 16, 2015
RevDesmondJuju:
Good to see that you are finally seeing the big picture.
Now bow to your master grin
to who? You? Make I bend like bendel
Re: Paris Terror Attacks Is Obama And Nato's Handwork by PabloAfricanus(m): 2:19pm On Nov 16, 2015
neocortex:
If I may ask, how did you know about operation northwoods ?
was it through your investigative prowess or through the
same cunning CIA ?

No one is denying that false flags is real,
but labeling every act as false flag only points
to the fact that one is too lazy to dig for more facts.
One potent weapon of extremists is their enemies underestimating
their capabilities.
Every one says "they can't do that" , until they strike,
then the song now becomes "it must be some other powerful
people that did it".
The cycle continues until the Islamist overrrun their enemies.


Possibility is never equal to reality.
Apt questions… but are you also aware some folks over there stake their lives to expose the inhuman evil going on there?
Like the way some overzealous folks here burn robbers and flog gays publicly?
That same energy and moral conviction drives certain class of folks to expose what is going on.
Look up these books The Terror Factory(Tevor Aaronson) , The Colder War(Marin Katusa) and Black Market Billions(Hitha Prabhakar).
You need to read more. Truth they say is stranger than fiction.
Im no apologist for conspiracy theorists… but the scale of the events, the context, location and actors involved in all these events do not follow conventional logic.
Or are you one of those who believe a group of arab terrorists with no prior flying experience were able to not only commandeer a commercial aircraft in US airspace… but fly it past the Pentagon air defences, NORAD air defences and ram it into the Pentagon?
Re: Paris Terror Attacks Is Obama And Nato's Handwork by neocortex: 4:26pm On Nov 16, 2015
PabloAfricanus:
Apt questions… but are you also aware some folks over there stake their lives to expose the inhuman evil going on there?
Like the way some overzealous folks here burn robbers and flog gays publicly?
That same energy and moral conviction drives certain class of folks to expose what is going on.
Look up these books The Terror Factory(Tevor Aaronson) , The Colder War(Marin Katusa) and Black Market Billions(Hitha Prabhakar).
You need to read more. Truth they say is stranger than fiction.
Im no apologist for conspiracy theorists… but the scale of the events, the context, location and actors involved in all these events do not follow conventional logic.
Or are you one of those who believe a group of arab terrorists with no prior flying experience were able to not only commandeer a commercial aircraft in US airspace… but fly it past the Pentagon air defences, NORAD air defences and ram it into the Pentagon?
With regards to operation northwood , it is the US government who declassified
the information for accountability sake, not some good samaritan.
It is always a good strategy to be skeptical of anyone who claim
to have "secret" knowledge of governments without providing
any evidence to back up their claims.

You believe there is a full proof defense somewhere, but it doesn't
exist, not NORAD, not PATRIOT defense, they are all machines and
are bound to fail due to accidents or human negligence.

To me circumstantial evidence and some "experts" is too weak to be made
a basis for a grand conspiracy. "If he was there, he must have done it".
Those "evidence" doesn't fly in the face of serious scrutiny.

Those Arab terrorists could obviously fly planes , I don't know where you got
your info from. While those men may have received authority's help
deliberately or otherwise, how can we then make a leap of faith and
point fingers indiscriminately at anyone who fits the narrative ?

Are you aware that some part of the 9/11 reports are still classified till today,
do you care to know what is in the classified part ?
Or do you believe the myriads of theories are sufficient


I can remember how a Nigerian plane was hijacked during the Abacha struggles,
and there are many plane hijacks by ragtag groups which we can conclude that
there is nothing special about hijacking a civilian plane.

It is actually common thing with us humans to fill a void with our own imaginations,
"something/someone big must be out there".

I believe books are as effective as the person reading it, anyone can write
a book, but it is the readers perogative to avoid unnecessarily getting drawn
into the authors ideology.

Note , my submission is not to absolve US or its elements
of complicity in all terror attacks. My point is that generalization
and conspiracy is a poor refuge for the lazy.
Re: Paris Terror Attacks Is Obama And Nato's Handwork by Nobody: 10:11pm On Nov 17, 2015
More evidence to show this was a false flag OP.

A Belgian man claimed to have called the Police up to 80 times after spotting one of the cars and terrorists acting strangely.

The police never bothered to respond once to the scene even though they acknowledged his calls. It could be easy for the CIA to reroute all emergency calls to the police and jam all radio frequencies to frustrate any police snooping on their jihadi zombies who were high on meth

Re: Paris Terror Attacks Is Obama And Nato's Handwork by PabloAfricanus(m): 11:06pm On Nov 17, 2015
neocortex:
With regards to operation northwood , it is the US government who declassified
the information for accountability sake, not some good samaritan.
It is always a good strategy to be skeptical of anyone who claim
to have "secret" knowledge of governments without providing
any evidence to back up their claims.
Ofcourse, a lot of information WAS ONLY MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC after declassification by US intelligence.
But then you seem to credit US intelligence with too many powers.
Mind you there are foreign spies, moles and fifth columnists whose only job is to infiltrate and ferret out information.
This information can be made public for any purposes ranging from economic sabotage to political shaming.
There is no way US or her allies can completely control or preempt the activities of such paid agents.
Also there are indeed INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISTS and CITIZENS who are not fearful like us over here in Africa.
You cant discount that.
For economic and financial reasons, the interests of the US will always clash with that of her allies and rivals.
It was US intelligence that was employed in driving Russia out of Afghanistan and depriving them of the opportunity to pipe gas to Europe through Afghanistan.
It was Russian intelligence that defeated exposed the machinations of America's empire in propping up Saudi Arabia, Israel and Turkey.
This woke up Iran to the reality of the big game going on...hence their opting to be nuclear capable.
I could go on.
It is not a case of "secret knowledge" but the ability to interpret PUBLICLY VISIBLE global political events and build of arms, forces, alliances and treaties.
Like why Russia had to be stopped from building new gas pipe lines through Northern Europe or through Afghanistan.
You need a solid grasp of history to even make sense of certain things happening now a days...else you'd just take whatever the mainstream media throws at you. Like why Russia has rights to Crimea, or why China has rights to Hong Kong or Taiwan.

neocortex:
You believe there is a full proof defense somewhere, but it doesn't
exist, not NORAD, not PATRIOT defense, they are all machines and
are bound to fail due to accidents or human negligence.
Ofcourse, every system built by man can never be fool proof.
If American airspace were that porous INTERNALLY...then Russia and China would have established one or two military bases
around US boundaries. Just like the US has China and Russia ringed with multiple operational military bases.
However, your above quote tells me you have either not researched NORAD well or have not digested the events that took place on 9/11 well.
I suggest you do.

neocortex:
To me circumstantial evidence and some "experts" is too weak to be made
a basis for a grand conspiracy. "If he was there, he must have done it".
Those "evidence" doesn't fly in the face of serious scrutiny.

Those Arab terrorists could obviously fly planes , I don't know where you got
your info from. While those men may have received authority's help
deliberately or otherwise, how can we then make a leap of faith and
point fingers indiscriminately at anyone who fits the narrative ?

Are you aware that some part of the 9/11 reports are still classified till today,
do you care to know what is in the classified part ?
Or do you believe the myriads of theories are sufficient

I can remember how a Nigerian plane was hijacked during the Abacha struggles,
and there are many plane hijacks by ragtag groups which we can conclude that
there is nothing special about hijacking a civilian plane.
I get your point here....but you also need to open your eyes and trust your reasoning sometimes.
If water starts flowing uphill...SOMETHING MUST HAVE CHANGED!
Or something must have CAUSED it.
Nothing conspiratorial about that.
Lots of American scientists challenged the official reports that a plane rammed into the Towers on 911.
Evidence was submitted indicating that the fuel contained in those planes that allegedly flew into the towers,
WAS NOT ENOUGH to burn down the ENTIRE TOWERS.
It was built to withstand even greater impacts!
Analysis of the released videos and eye witness reports...indicate a controlled demolition.
A quick Google search should give you some ideas of what OTHER Americans think.
I do not have all the facts...so I will not jump to conclusions.
But try and analyze the official reports...line them up with the refutations and dissenters...and see if they match up.
That's one of the best ways to even begin to form an opinion.
Infact, the basic false flag operation is to cause harm to your own citizens or destroy your own property...to blame a real or perceived enemy.
This particular tactic has in most cases never lost its efficacy...no matter how sloppy the execution.
The incredulity of the general public is far,far more huge than you probably think.

neocortex:
It is actually common thing with us humans to fill a void with our own imaginations,
"something/someone big must be out there".

I believe books are as effective as the person reading it, anyone can write
a book, but it is the readers perogative to avoid unnecessarily getting drawn
into the authors ideology.

Note , my submission is not to absolve US or its elements
of complicity in all terror attacks. My point is that generalization
and conspiracy is a poor refuge for the lazy.
Lol...I get your point.
See it this way...there are people who have it in their power to exploit others, resources and wealth.
They will do whatever they can to take over, loot, burn, rape, steal and enslave others.
They will lie, cheat, murder to get their way. Its human nature.
You cannot wish it away or pretend it does not exist.
Try this, find out how many empires and colonies of the Portuguese, French, Spanish and Dutch the British took over.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchies_in_the_Americas
Its the same old game the Babylonians, Assyrians, Persians, Greeks, Romans were playing...and now the Spanish, British and Americans are playing out.

If you call the expositions on the apparent 911 discrepancies "conspiracy theories"...what will you call the American establishment of over 700 military bases in 63 countries by the US?
What is AFRICOM doing in Liberia?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-worldwide-network-of-us-military-bases/5564
http://www.thenation.com/article/the-united-states-probably-has-more-foreign-military-bases-than-any-other-people-nation-or-empire-in-history/


Watch Colin Powell's lies to justify America's invasion of Iraq...so conveniently now exposed by the venerable HuffingtonPost ten years after Iraq had been invaded and colonized!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-schwarz/colin-powell-wmd-iraq-war_b_2624620.html
http://crooksandliars.com/heather/colin-powell-continues-defend-wmd-lies-ira
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=complete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq_442

Back then Powell and the American military complex were roundly exposed by so-called "conspiracy" theorists,
while some just hushed them down and responded the exact way you are responding.
A few years later...even Bush could not articulate a meaningful statement whether Saddam had WMDs or not.
Guess what, what was the first act of the Americans once they invaded and secured Baghdad?
Look it up and lemme know.

Thing is there strong, stronger, weak, and weaker forces at play in the global political space.
Its a game of empire and scramble for control of resources and means of wealth creation.
If you understand the above and have studied the rise/fall of empires...you will not find certain stories strange or "conspiratorial".
Re: Paris Terror Attacks Is Obama And Nato's Handwork by idupaul: 11:10pm On Nov 17, 2015
bettercreature:
@OP You actually have no senses
It was a well planned coordinated attack
They have been plaining it for a very long time its just a coincidence with Jihadi johns death
You can not get all the amunitions and suicide belts they used withing 24hours
Stop thinking like a cum rag
I'm expecting france to LAUNCH a deadly ground assault in iraq and syria next week
No organisation or government in europe on america is capable of supporting terrorist because most government spy on their allies and their security agents
The US definitely has a hand in ISIS .. After hearing John Kerry speak today I have no doubt the US founded and still funds ISIS
Re: Paris Terror Attacks Is Obama And Nato's Handwork by HaneefahRN(f): 2:37pm On Nov 22, 2015
More grease to ur elbows OP, this thread actually opened my eyes to many things. Many questions I av answered and unanswered. I definitely know there is more to these terrorist groups than religion or whatever they are camouflage with. They look for excuses to infiltrate and wreck havoc in different countries, create hatred against a religion. They had been successful in blindfolding many pple from the truth playing the Super hero when in actuality they are the villains. Many pple refuse to think outside the box.
We are watching as the events unfold. The truth shall become manifest one day.
Re: Paris Terror Attacks Is Obama And Nato's Handwork by HaneefahRN(f): 2:38pm On Nov 22, 2015
More grease to ur elbows OP, this thread actually opened my eyes to many things. Many questions I av answered and unanswered. I definitely know there is more to these terrorist groups than religion or whatever they are camouflage with. They look for excuses to infiltrate and wreck havoc in different countries, create hatred against a religion. They had been successful in blindfolding many pple from the truth playing the Super hero when in actuality they are the villains. Many pple refuse to think outside the box.
We are watching as the events unfold. The truth shall become manifest one day.
And why is this not on FP?
Re: Paris Terror Attacks Is Obama And Nato's Handwork by Nobody: 2:47pm On Nov 22, 2015
HaneefahRN:
More grease to ur elbows OP, this thread actually opened my eyes to many things. Many questions I av answered and unanswered. I definitely know there is more to these terrorist groups than religion or whatever they are camouflage with. They look for excuses to infiltrate and wreck havoc in different countries, create hatred against a religion. They had been successful in blindfolding many pple from the truth playing the Super hero when in actuality they are the villains. Many pple refuse to think outside the box.
We are watching as the events unfold. The truth shall become manifest one day.
And why is this not on FP?
Why should it be on Frontpage?
Re: Paris Terror Attacks Is Obama And Nato's Handwork by HaneefahRN(f): 4:07pm On Nov 22, 2015
Reyginus:
Why should it be on Frontpage?
Cos it's a different perspective from all the lies, half truths and propagandas we've been perpetually fed wt and used to. It allows one to reflect and see the loop holes and correlations. That is for those who want to and not blinded by stereotypes
Re: Paris Terror Attacks Is Obama And Nato's Handwork by Nobody: 5:10pm On Nov 22, 2015
HaneefahRN:
Cos it's a different perspective from all the lies, half truths and propagandas we've been perpetually fed wt and used to. It allows one to reflect and see the loop holes and correlations. That is for those who want to and not blinded by stereotypes
A different perspective does not equate intelligence or truth. Because we know America is evil every evil is done by them. How intelligent!

Where are the loopholes and correlations here?
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