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| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by tonychristopher: 3:30pm On Nov 24, 2015 |
chucky234:Oga lecturer what is the meaning of ndokwa and ukwuani pls Also what do you call God , land and your market days |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by bokohalal(m): 3:56pm On Nov 24, 2015 |
tonychristopher:They are not. Happy now? |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by tonychristopher: 4:20pm On Nov 24, 2015 |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by Donarozzi: 7:06pm On Nov 24, 2015*. Modified: 7:25pm On Nov 24, 2015 |
tonychristopher:Abraham begot Isaac who begot the twin brothers Esau and Jacob. The descendants of Esau are collectively called the Edom, while the descendants of Jacob are collectively called Hebrews (Israel). It is likely that the original Edom are the Edo/Idoma/Igala/Igbira people, while the original Hebrews are the Igbo. We need deeper intuition and serious intellectual research to unravel these historical connections. The Edom invaded parts of the Igbo territory that was the Urhobo/Isoko area, while the Yoruba intermixed with parts of the Edo territory that was the Igala area. In the Middle East, Israel and Edom are neighbours, and interestingly, the Igbo and Edo are neighbours in Nigeria. (Here, my use of the term "Edo" implies the Edo/Igala/Idoma/Igbira as they occupy the same stretch of contiguous territory and are direct neighbours of the Igbo). Many writers and historians have tried to explain the Igbo/Edo connections to Israel/Edomites, but they have not really used deep instinct to connect the whole dots. Very possible that the original home of the Hebrews and the Edomites was the present-day Igboland and Edoland respectively before their descendants made a planned migration and founded Israel and Edom areas of the Middle East. I have a good theory that explains these historical debates. We cannot rush to conclusions yet... https://books.google.com/books?id=libxCQAAQBAJ&pg=PT29&lpg=PT29&dq=edom+igala+idoma&source=bl&ots=zdCKgrgYT2&sig=Zcl5OL4jZmsUTiUS5fruTkyhuuo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwizg870xKnJAhXJuB4KHba0CCoQ6AEIOzAE#v=onepage&q=edom%20igala%20idoma&f=false http://www.hebrewigbo.com/oral.html https://yemitom./2011/09/23/127/ https://books.google.com/books?id=DkksBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA75&lpg=PA75&dq=igbo+israel+alaezi+edom&source=bl&ots=8Tf4ciVQFd&sig=n5rf1DIAfDwa9Y-eqk9UOJRatfM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwigsam_yanJAhUIXB4KHVH_C2sQ6AEIQDAF#v=onepage&q=igbo%20israel%20alaezi%20edom&f=false https://www.afrikanistik-aegyptologie-online.de/archive/2011/3042/Igbo |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by tonychristopher: 7:48pm On Nov 24, 2015 |
Donarozzi:Is the so ?/ And u think I will buy this |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by IGBOPRINCE: 9:28pm On Nov 24, 2015 |
chucky234:so you recognised chuks as an igbo name. So what s your ndokwa name cos some of them answers chuks and still fool around themselves to yan dust ![]() |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by Kirigidi(m): 9:58pm On Nov 28, 2015 |
[quote author=bigfrancis21 post=40358701]The Binis shared exactly the same 4 market days as the Igbos, most likely to have borrowed it from the Igbos: Eken (Eke) Orie (Orie) Aho (Afo) Okuo (Nkwo). They also share similar words in Igbo such as 'ise' for number 5, 'ene'\'eno' for number 4 ('ano'\'eno' in Igbo) and 'isee' for 'amen' or 'I concur'. http://www.edo-nation.net/numer.htt/quote] Why do u Igbos alwys want to re-write history to deceiv d readin public? Evrybody knws dat Igbos did not rule over other tribes in d ancient past, so wat do u hav to prove dat d Binis borrowd dose words frm Igbo wen it was d Binis dat ruled over d Igbos? It is on record dat Edos were very ancient pipo nd giftd empire-builders since antiquity dating back to d 8th century wen d land was knwn as AKA Kingdom. It is also an open-truth dat Edo Kings ruled over much of Southern Nigeria includin Igbo land, nd dat Igbos served as slaves nd servants to Bini kings nd chiefs, hence d name "Igbo" in Edoid language. |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by Nobody: 11:12pm On Nov 28, 2015 |
Kirigidi, are you Bini? For some reason I thought you were Urhobo. |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by Kirigidi(m): 11:52pm On Nov 28, 2015*. Modified: 12:14am On Nov 29, 2015 |
Radoillo:I'm Urhobo, but we togeda wit d Binis, Ishans, Afemais, Owans, Etsakos, etc, ar all Edoid pipo who share a common origin dating back to d era of d Ogiso Dynasty. Prior to d Oba Dynasty, Edo Kingdom was knwn by its ancient name "AKA KINGDOM". It may also interest u to knw dat d ancestors of d Urhobo/Isoko pipo were active stakeholders nd participants in d buildin of d Ogiso Dynasty in Igodomigodo (present-day Benin-City). It was d incessant confusion, quarrels nd crises which trailed d collapse of d Ogiso Dynasty dat promptd d outward migratn of many Urhobo/Isoko ancestors frm Aka land to dia present homelands btw d 8th nd 11th centuries. In other words, many Urhobo/Isoko ancestors had left ancient Aka land b4 d establishmnt of d Oba Dynasty nd d changin of d name of d kingdom frm "AKA" to "EDO" by Oba Ewuare D Great. |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by bigfrancis21(mod): 1:29am On Nov 29, 2015 |
[quote author=Kirigidi post=40501521][/quote]Wait, let me get you in effect. What are you saying? That the 4 edo market days of Eken, Orie, Aho and Ukwo were not adopted from Nri Igbo? The Igalas and Idomas who share similar 4 market days got the 4 market days from who? Did the Edos rule over them too? |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by Kirigidi(m): 9:57am On Nov 29, 2015 |
bigfrancis21:Don't u knw dat at a point in history, d Binis conquerd nd ruled over d Igalas? Even Portuguese Explorers had a record of d wars fought when d Attah Igala rebelld against Edo overlordship nd refusd to pay further tributes to Bini royal treasury. It was even around d 15th-17th cnturies dat d Igalas backd by Nupe warriors were able to secure dia indpndnce frm Benin Empire. Dis is not a make-up story, it is a well-documentd fact acknwldgd by historians. D four-mrkt days systm was a creatn of d Edo pipo, nd spread to all neigborin tribes which came unda Benin rule, includin Igala nd Igbo land. Even d famous Nri Igbo was Priest Eri, who left ancient AKA KINGDOM durin d Ogiso era btw 8th-10th cnturies. |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by Nobody: 12:25pm On Nov 29, 2015*. Modified: 1:34pm On Nov 29, 2015 |
Kirigidi:OK. I had to ask because of this whole AKA business. As far as I know Bini people do not acknowledge that they ever called their land 'Aka'. It was (according to traditions) called Igodomigodo, then it became Edo and Bini. (Some say it was renamed Ubini/Bini by Oranmiyan, from which it was changed to Edo by Oba Ewuare.) 'Aka' is just the name you guys in the Urhobo-Isoko cluster zone know it by. Same way 'Idu' is the word people in the Igbo-speaking areas knew it by. No piece of tradition from Benin confirms that the Bini people ever called themselves by either of these names (Aka or Idu). Second thing I want to ask you is: Where are you getting the idea that Bini ruled Igboland from? Can you point me to any particular tradition that tells us about one Igbo town that was conquered and ruled by the Bini? The Bini have traditions about the kings and Ezomos who fought and defeated the Igala, Akure and Eko, etc. The accounts of these wars and conquests survive. Mention one Bini king, one Ezomo, that conquered an Igbo town. And mention the Igbo town so conquered. The closest you can come is Agbor (and maybe Ubulu-Uku which was invaded in the 18th century). But I'm sure you did not mean these Anioma towns when you said 'Igboland', as most of you do not reckon Anioma as part of Igboland. So I'm asking, which Igboland did Benin conquer or rule? |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by Nobody: 12:29pm On Nov 29, 2015 |
And oh, I forgot this: You have to stop saying that Eri was Bini. You have said that at least once before; now you're saying it again. There are NO traditions to that effect, and nothing about the social organization that Eri was supposed to have set up in Aguleri suggests an Edo origin. That is something you just made up. |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by bigfrancis21(mod): 4:17pm On Nov 29, 2015 |
Kirigidi:All these you are saying are just lies with no factual proof whatsoever. You have not one proof to backup what you have been saying. You cannot sit in your bedroom and re-write history. That is unacceptable. |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by Kirigidi(m): 9:34pm On Nov 29, 2015 |
bigfrancis21:Since u ar doubtin, I advice u consult comprehensive books on history of ancient Benin Empire nd her exploits. Also read materials on history of Idah (Igala) nd her relations wit ancient Benin. Source: J. F. Ade Ajayi & Ian Espie (1965). A THOUSAND YEARS OF WEST AFRICAN HISTORY. page 207 is about history of d Igalas. I hav many other history books on Benin's rule over d Igalas, Yorubas, Igbos, etc, but I left them in my home town. |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by bigfrancis21(mod): 9:38pm On Nov 29, 2015 |
Kirigidi:Well, the 4-market days of Eke, Oye/Orie, Afor and Nkwo are well-known Igbo market days which the Edos, Igalas and Idomas have adopted. The things you have mentioned were simply manufactured by you and I must say are, albeit, preposterous. |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by bigfrancis21(mod): 9:39pm On Nov 29, 2015 |
I find it odd that people want to 'enforce' their perceived influences on Igboland or Igbos but detest to admit one or two borrowed influences from Igboland or Igbos as if it is a form of 'Igbo domination'. |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by Kirigidi(m): 9:46pm On Nov 29, 2015 |
bigfrancis21:Why not first search for dat book I recomended nd read, befor makin ur conclusion? |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by bigfrancis21(mod): 9:59pm On Nov 29, 2015 |
Kirigidi:That a book is published does not mean it should be taken seriously. Not all so-called books are taken seriously anyway. |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by Udmaster(m): 12:26am On Nov 30, 2015 |
[quote author=Kirigidi post=40501521][/quote]what u just said is a TREASON STATEMENT! Don't you dare make that funny statement again. Irrelevant urhobo fool feeling funky. |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by Nobody: 6:51am On Nov 30, 2015 |
bigfrancis21:The only thing that book says is that the Bini fought and defeated the Igalas in the 16th century. There is nobody doubting that. That is a well known fact of Nigerian history. Everything else he's said (including his statement that Eri came from the Edo area) is not found in any scholarly material. That was sourced by him from the sky. |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by chindakwe842: 9:19pm On Feb 22, 2016 |
Ndokwa, ika, Ikwerre, ahaoda, Ndoni etc are all Igbo clans. No doubt about that. |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by SUNNYsparkle: 10:24am On Jul 09, 2016 |
chucky234:There are more than 4 Onicha. In IMO state there are Onicha mbaise, Onicha Uboma, Onusa (Onicha) Nkwerre, in Abia there is Onicha Ngwa, in Ebonyi there is Onicha Ohaozara, in Kogi state there is Onicha Igo, And various other settlements that answer Onicha in Benue state |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by SUNNYsparkle: 10:36am On Jul 09, 2016 |
Kirigidi:Fake history, this just shows the level of your knowledge... Very shallow. All these stories you guys say is Benin history are all fake! Where you born then? What was the technology involved? I have seen ancient great empires and their relics, Benin is over rated |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by SUNNYsparkle: 10:38am On Jul 09, 2016 |
[quote author=Kirigidi post=40501521][/quote]Fake history |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by Manamax(m): 9:59pm On Sep 16, 2016 |
tonychristopher:Lol. |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by clefstone(m): 11:16am On Jun 12, 2018 |
Abagworo:provide the links. Thanx |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by clefstone(m): 11:42am On Jun 12, 2018 |
pazienza:the op never suggested that Onicha is a Bini word. he only said all four Onichas allude to a Bini origin |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by RedboneSmith(m): 5:56pm On Jun 12, 2018 |
Any Umuakashiada person here? Una community name has always perplexed me? Is the cocoyam a totem in you people's community. |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by RedboneSmith(m): 5:58pm On Jun 12, 2018 |
Any Umuakashiede person here? Una community name has always perplexed me? Is the cocoyam a totem in you people's community. |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by samuk: 8:11pm On Jun 12, 2018 |
tonychristopher:Guy, be careful before you by it because this could be Igbo made history. |
| Re: Brief History Of NDOKWA by samuk: 8:22pm On Jun 12, 2018 |
OK. I had to ask because of this whole AKA business. As far as I know Bini people do not acknowledge that they ever called their land 'Aka'. It was (according to traditions) called Igodomigodo, then it became Edo and Bini. (Some say it was renamed Ubini/Bini by Oranmiyan, from which it was changed to Edo by Oba Ewuare.)You are wrong. The Ancient name of Edo was Aka before it became Igodomigodo, then Edo. There is still a quarter in Benin till today known as Ogbe laka (Ogbe Aka) or Aka quarters. It's a very popular area around kings square. |
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