soft777:
I WILL TREAT A TOPIC ON ALL THE DIFFERENT SYSTEMS, MANAGEMENT , COST ,ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES OF ALL SYSTEM ;But i will partially brush through the recycleatry system for your quick understanding ,
Recyle system, is a system designed most especially when u have limited water , limited irrigation , good power source and you want to stock almost times 5 the normal carrying capacity of your pond .
Biofillter comes in difefrent capacities but most imported biofilletrs can carry little hatcheries or little farms , even in advance countries they do what they call ,DO IT YOURSELF system or D:I:Y: system .
This diy system is better in that you can easily expand or reduce , that is adjustable. The system depending on your quantity of fish , now let me take u through in a summary ,I personally call recycle system as an advanced flow throw . its the same thing i explained on topic aquaponics .
The bad water from your pond, instead of just flowing it away you take it though different chambers to purify the water and back to ur fish , thesse chambers contains biological materials thats were the name comes from BIOfillter , using a biological means or living things in your chambers to purify your water system.
Your bad water are realesed out from your pond , it goes to a sedimentation chamber or a conditioned chamber to settle the undissolved solids like algea and fish poo, gradually .
The water is then pumped to another chamber were the micro organism in the water or chamber will further break the amonia to nitrates and then the nitrates concentrated water is passed through the 3rd chamber to were we have plants or activated carbon material like charcoal that will absorbs the nitrates and make the water free of nitrates , making your water pure , but in the process not the total volume of water will be retrieve. You will need to add water at least 10 percent more volume to replace the evaporated water in the ponds or chambers .That is why, i said you need a tank , but if u have constant electricity as you said , no pb, all good. but for rest of mind , what if electricity did not come , what will happen?
Well am pleased to inform you that with my advance improvised DIy system i can install it in your pond or farm , you will not need electricity to pump water,you will not need water pump ,i can install it in a way that you will run it by gravity a self running and self purifying system without you , you can travel and leave your pond for months and the system will continue to recycle without electricity ,but u will definately need who just go thereto feed ,or if you can buy automatic time feeder , which feeds your fish at at regulated time without your presence , fasmers who do other jobs usually need this. By febuary if you are interested , you can contact me i will install the DIY self cycle and self purifying in your farm .
My farm has the knowledge of this new technology thank you. GOOD LUCK

How mow do you take to construct the DIY biofilter

Yes they palletise for people. I have attached their details.

Ttalk:


I have been unable to locate the feed mill along that axis. Do you know whether they pelletise for people? Can you send me their contact?

Hello soft777, where are you based?. I mean the location of your farm.

robonski15:


Hello, we are sorry about your order it was made with the former manager, the first batch has been shipped out to people that booked in advance with cash.. The mistake he made was not informing you from the onset that an advance amount is needed for the sales dept to record your order and deliver on time, of which we have made it mandatory ... we are deeply sorry for this inconvenience.. How best can i reach you to follow up on your order??

Can we still make our orders through the phone number you gave initially or not and all former orders made with the old manager without advance payment are null and void

soft777:
HOW TO COMPOUND AND PELLET INGREDIENTS : After successfully identifying which ingredients are cheaper in your location , then the next step is to know at what percentage in kg will u need to mix the ingredients up, to get the right amount of balance diet for your fish.
first you need to know , the crude protein needed by your fish to get to 1kg , in the shortest time possible ,with the lowest fcr.This will automatically determine your profit.let me elaborate for further understanding , i want us to look at it in another way, since feed takes almost 70 percent of our cost of production , we want to see how we can take these cheap waste ingredients put them together in kg to give us same amount in kg in our fish .
What we do in fish farming is just converting feed which are cheap ingredients not really needded by humans and sold in little amount to something more needed by humans that is fish, and more valuable and higher in price. So the lower the amount in money of quality feed ingredients the better or bigger your profits.
Now having this in mind, i will elaborate further , when compounding your feed select the cheapest ingredients in your location from each of the nutrients and compound them together : In money term , i will use kwara state ,someone i helped with formulation on my whats app, gave me some rough estimate of price ingredients in his locality ... CARBOHYDRATE : maize 80 naira per kg , cassava flour 70 naira per kg , indomie 90 naira per kg , PLANT PROTEIN : soya is 140 naira per kg , potatoe leaves meal is 40 naira per kg , groundnut meal 120 naira per kg , ANIMAL PROTEIN : blood meal 70 naira per kg , fish meal 150 naira per kg , chicken offal 100 naira per kg , FATS AND OIL : groundnut oil 50 naira , pkc 40 naira :
Now using this price list, you can now look carefully taking each cheapest ingredients in each nutrients and compound , having in mind that your catfish needs about 30 to 35 percent crude protein to get good growth and fingerlings and smaller fish needs 40 to 45 crude to grow .NOTE , if u are blessed to be close to a chicken processing plant were you can get chicken offal at wholesale and cheap amount , then you can feed your fish at higher crude protein even up to 60 percent , to increase there growth and get to 1kg size in even 3 month 2 weeks , lets go back to our calculation . from this particular list ...CARBOHYDRATE ,i will take cassava at 70 naira , for PLANT PROTEIN ,i take potatoes leave meal but for this calculation i will take soya meal , why because i know most people get soya easily, so soya 140 naira per kg , : ANIMAL PROTEIN we take blood meal which is 70 naira per kg, ANOTHER THING TO NOTE : if you are not using fish meal make sure u get fish oil to spray your feed after pelleting to make the feed more palatable for your fish to eat, because most fish tend not to like blood meal, but when you mix it with other ingredients and pellet ,spray with fish oil ,they will eat ruggedly.
Blood meal has the highest crude protein more than the costly fish meal , but u dont need to add too much blood meal , just because it makes fish grow big and fast in a shorter time .you have to mix at the required percentage.
Lets continue FATS AND OIL :pkc 40 naira per kg
With these prices we can now do our calculations , cassava 70 naira , soya 140 naira , blood meal 70 naira, pkc 40naira now if we get the average amount per kg , adding all the 4 prices = 70 plus 70 plus 40 plus 140 = 320 then divide by 4 we get 80 naira means we get the range of 80 naira per kg . that is if we are adding all the ingredients in equal percentages which i personally do when am compounding finisher feed , for my fish that are close to market . NOTE BY , yellow corn and pkc will help increase your fish weight.
But this is not finished , the 80 naira per kg is for the four major ingredients so adding vitamin premix ,fish oil , floxinor , salt dpc etc , is about 20 naira average . So 80 plus 20 will give us 100 naira per kg , so if u are making 100 kg feed you need 100 naira multiply by 100kg feed this will amount to 10 thousand naira for 100kg feed.
Lets say grounding, pellet and drying will give u about 3k so total u should be in the range of 13 thousand for complete 100kg finisher catfish feed . This is finisher feed , for growers feed you increase the plant and animal protein most especially your animal protein ,
Instead of that ratio 25 :25:25:25 for finisher , for growers feed its a little more expensive, because of the more expensive protein ingredient you need to increase .
So for growers i want us to know that we dont need pkc when making growers feed ,pkc is better when you are doing finisher feed , so as not to retard or slow your fish growth, because pkc will make your fish gain much weight , without flesh gain . This will lead to stunted growth, because pkc give high energy .
But you can increase protein as u want , you can even feed only protein if you know how to and have a very cheap source to buy , but i will give a general ratio, increase your protein either plant or animal protein to replace the pkc.
To know which of the protein to replace the pkc in growers better and more economical
From this our particular list the blood meal, animal protein is cheaper but because for every 100 kg feed i dont advice more than 30 kg blood meal , so its either we replace the pkc with other chaeper animal or plant protein , so if u have the cheaper local fish meal , you can use , its ok , or buy some cheaper plant protein .
So for reducing your total cost of production especially for medium scale farm from 5k monthly grow out to larger scale fish farms , you can buy your ingredients in bulk,i mean wholesale , they will sell at reduced price or if you fish in acomunity of many fish farmers you can form a group and buy fish feed ingredients in bulk . And you can have a mini feed mill, it will further cut that 12,000 naira for 100 kg feed to 9000 naira .
This is why larger farms maximize profit and even sell cheaper but no problems by GOds grace everybody will get there, with determination and focus , taking it step by step growth in fish farming is sure . A journey of a thousand mile start with a step.
Now lets compare prize differences between local and foreign feed .
Now local feed 100 kg with crude protein 35 to 40 percent gives 12k naira to compound , and a foreign feed with 5k average price for 15 kg will give approximately 33 naira for 100kg , looking at the difference in price we have about 20 thousand naira different .
For someone with high capacity farm that feed more than 100 kg feed weekly. Think when you have to save extra 20 k weekly as extra profit.
Now for further reduction; that can make your 100 kg feed amount reduce to 7 thousand naira from 12 thousand naira.
I will give more elaborations when we start our trainnings in my farm from febuary . Things like how to personally turn free cassava root to carbohydrate , how to process that unwanted free algea to plant protein and reduce your feed cost , how to process that free duck weed in your pond to replace plant protein, how to culture non smelling maggot to replace animal protein , i mean odourless maggot , and how to make semi floating feed and gelatine based feed ...In fact gelatin based feed can reduce ur cost more further to 6 to 5 k nira for 100 kg feed , because you need no pelleting no drying and it floats on your ponds , if you are interested in all these and live demonstration a 1 day workshop in my farm weekly , will be organised , from febuary 2016 and inetrested persons farmers or co-operations will gain more in feeding , hatching , super intensive system, fish processing , pond construction , nursery best managements etc . Its a 1 day fish total package . i will announce starting date very soon and you can always call to reserve weekly, from febuary thank you
Any questions on feed here , i will gladly answer thank you , later tonight i will post the last sub topic on ( FEEDING WHEN AND HOW ) STAY TUNED GOD BLESS!!!!!!

My boss, more grease to your elbow, now and always. Want to point out that fish meal cannot be sold at N150 anywhere, 72% is 600, 68% is like 500 although am not using it, clupid fish is 420 per kg and all dis Fishmeal have different Fishmeal concentration, is dt not a factor in considering ingredients? As in choosing an ingredient with respect to its concentration. Another point is d side effects of some of this ingredients for example bloodmeal, I heard it's not easily digestible for the fishes and can eventually cause death, however the general idea of the fish formulation is gotten, just feel to point out this ringing questions in my head.

kiwonkifi:
Yes they palletise for people. I have attached their details.

I am equally interested will contact them

kiwonkifi:
Yes they palletise for people. I have attached their details.

Thank you for your quick response, i will contact asap

nairafarm2015:


I am equally interested will contact them

They pelletize but i wil prefer u tel dem to dry wit Sun for u otherwise 50% powder at d end of pelletized wit their machine dryer.

Ttalk:


Thank you for your quick response, i will contact asap

Yes they pelletize but tel dem to use Sun dry for u otherwise u wil get 50% dust wit their dryer.

lamude23:


My boss, more grease to your elbow, now and always. Want to point out that fish meal cannot be sold at N150 anywhere, 72% is 600, 68% is like 500 although am not using it, clupid fish is 420 per kg and all dis Fishmeal have different Fishmeal concentration, is dt not a factor in considering ingredients? As in choosing an ingredient with respect to its concentration. Another point is d side effects of some of this ingredients for example bloodmeal, I heard it's not easily digestible for the fishes and can eventually cause death, however the general idea of the fish formulation is gotten, just feel to point out this ringing questions in my head.

U are right abt d fish meal price. U said u not using the fish meals nd blood too so what do u use as replacement
Thanks

I think I should comment here. It is indeed hard to get fish meal for #140. Except so many years back when I g

Sorry guys, i was saying fish meal don't come cheap even local ones. Except many years back when I get crumbs of fish and crayfish from sellers in oyingbo for free. But now, most of dem know they cash in on it so they already have feed mills they sell to. This is what u buy as local fish meal in some feed mill. And its never sold for #140! But if u can have access to that, great! However, many studies have found totally substituting fish meal with plant protein like soya bean meal, groundnut cake etc very rewarding. And with good results. Trust me, blood meal is about d highest with crude protein but there are also issues of pallatiability, quick pollution of water etc. So one can actually use a combination of blood meal and good plant protein as a replacement for fish meal. U will still save a lot this way. I also want to mention that feed components vary according to how they are processed. I will later in the day provide the proximate nutritional compositions of some local and available materials so we can see at a glance. I believe with a proper balancing of plant protein, a safe amount of blood meal, other materials and fish oil feeding cost can be drastically reduced while maintaining a good FCR. Regards

Hello All,
I know this is a fish forum however I don't want to start another topic elsewhere while I have intelligent farmers in the house here. So please if there is anyone that knows where I can get snails for rearing I will appreciate the info.
Thank you.

komakan:
Yes they pelletize but tel dem to use Sun dry for u otherwise u wil get 50% dust wit their dryer.

Thank you so much, pls can you give price of their ingredients such as;

Fish meal
Soymeal
Cornflour
G.N.C
Molasis
Price of pelletising

Hello soft777, i would like to know how much it will cost to set up a D.I.Y recirculatory system that can accomodate at least 6000 catfish at a time. Thanks.

lamude23:


Can we still make our orders through the phone number you gave initially or not and all former orders made with the old manager without advance payment are null and void

Hello sir, you can still make orders with the same number. Thanks

lamude23:


My boss, more grease to your elbow, now and always. Want to point out that fish meal cannot be sold at N150 anywhere, 72% is 600, 68% is like 500 although am not using it, clupid fish is 420 per kg and all dis Fish meal have different Fish meal concentration, is dt not a factor in considering ingredients? As in choosing an ingredient with respect to its concentration. Another point is d side effects of some of this ingredients for example blood meal, I heard it's not easily digestible for the fishes and can eventually cause death, however the general idea of the fish formulation is gotten, just feel to point out this ringing questions in my head.

Thank you for the correction t was actually a typing error wanted to write 450 thank you.
Though the calculation remains the same , because we did not use fish meal in my calculation analysis , i also gave range of ingredients you can choose from that is more or relatively cheaper in your locality ,
Now to blood , many people have misunderstand or miss use this cheap but very effective ingredient . Blood meal is used all around the world for planting and also for mixing livestock , poultry and fish feed .
Benefits of using the blood meal .
In as much that its one of the most cheapest animal protein, it also contains one of the most highest crude protein, of about 75 to 80 percent crude protein , more than fish meal. Blood meal act as a growth booster for little growing fishes, because it contains high non synthetic nitrogen , phosphorus and potassium.. NPK ;
Its non synthetic nature makes it an organic fertilizer or fish growth booster ,by easily breaking down its nitrogen to form amino acids which in turn form flesh or tissue of fishes .
A feed contanning blood meal does not need you to add lysine , because blood meal contains high concentrations of lysine which is good for fish growth
For grown catfish ,some mix blood meal directly with soya meal and garri and mold it together to feed catfish , though this is very crude way of feeding, but some farmers obtain substantial result ,but this type of crude feeding can pollute your water by making it change in colour but by adding waterhiseed in your pond, this plant will eat up all the excess nitrogen in your pond and clear your water naturally .
Waterhseed, is that plant that grows in the lagoons , or some ponds , when u add just 2 or 3 waterhiseed in your concrete or earthen pond , they can multiply to 100 in 2 weeks .and clean your water naturally
Blood meal can not be toxic to your fish ,if it is boiled and sun dried , like all animal protein blood meal harbour some toxic bactera , but these bacteria can only survive at room temperature between 32 to 36 degree , so when you subject your blood to boiling , all the toxic bacteria are killed or destroyed.
My advice is you can use blood meal between 25 to 30 percent ,that is to every 100kg feed, you can add 25 to 30 kg blood meal ,and pellet together with your other ingredients .
When you pellet it , at this ratio mentioned above ,it can never pollute or become toxic to your fish .GODBLESS

GOLDLOVER:
Hello soft777, i would like to know how much it will cost to set up a D.I.Y recirculatory system that can accomodate at least 6000 catfish at a time. Thanks.

For farmers on nairaland , i will install at the most minimal for us to benefit, contact me via whatsapp 0033758786306

GOLDLOVER:
Hello soft777, where are you based?. I mean the location of your farm.

Location is after winners chapel headquarters not too far from obasanjo farm , its at ado odo ota , ogun state

GOLDLOVER:
Hello soft777, i would like to know how much it will cost to set up a D.I.Y recirculatory system that can accomodate at least 6000 catfish at a time. Thanks.

For we on this forum , i will install this system at a very minimal rate to encourage us . pls contact me on my whatsapp for better concluson thank you 0033758786306

Current price of some feed materials as at today.(Agege abatoir Lagos).
1. Groundnut cake gnc 120/kg
2. Full fat soya 150
3 wheat offal 44
4. Soya bean meal sbm 130
5. Indomine 100
6. Bone meal 50
7. Fish meal(d) 72% 570
8. Fish meal (L)65% 370
9. Flour. 65
10. Maize 65
11. Pelleting / drying 24/ kg

noblefarm:


U are right abt d fish meal price. U said u not using the fish meals nd blood too so what do u use as replacement
Thanks

I mean I don't use 65% percent, I use either 72% for small fishes and clupid for grow out and of course mix with some percentage of blood as Oga soft 777 has thought.

@ soft777.
You never answer my question that I raised yesterday night. You mentioned cassava flour in the feed formula. Are u referring to Gaari or Cassava flour used for bread making? Also, the Soya beans, Is it Full fat Soya or Soya beans meal? Thank you.

atanda2001uk:
@ soft777.
You never answer my question that I raised yesterday night. You mentioned cassava flour in the feed formula. Are u referring to Gaari or Cassava flour used for bread making? Also, the Soya beans, Is it Full fat Soya or Soya beans meal? Thank you.

cassava flour for bread , but not particularly the very good ones for humans, there are waste cassava they dry and ground , ask your local feed store , you can use ether full fat soya or soya meal both are plant protein

Thank you mentor for all what you've been teaching us, more grease to your elbow.

Good morning house, since cassava is very good for our fishes I want to start converting the cassava in my farm to cassava flour starting from today, from next week and one in need of pure cassava flour can contact me.
Jest finished harvesting soyabeans too.
Happy farming

How much do you sell soya beans bag and where is your location

pumppie:
Current price of some feed materials as at today.(Agege abatoir Lagos).
1. Groundnut cake gnc 120/kg
2. Full fat soya 150
3 wheat offal 44
4. Soya bean meal sbm 130
5. Indomine 100
6. Bone meal 50
7. Fish meal(d) 72% 570
8. Fish meal (L)65% 370
9. Flour. 65
10. Maize 65
11. Pelleting / drying 24/ kg

#Pumppie! Pls how much is fish oil? Tnx...

noblefarm:
Good morning house, since cassava is very good for our fishes I want to start converting the cassava in my farm to cassava flour starting from today, from next week and one in need of pure cassava flour can contact me.
Jest finished harvesting soyabeans too.
Happy farming

How much is your soya beans

[quote author=pumppie post=40839389]Sorry guys, i was saying fish meal don't come cheap even local ones. Except many years back when I get crumbs of fish and crayfish from sellers in oyingbo for free. But now, most of dem know they cash in on it so they already have feed mills they sell to. This is what u buy as local fish meal in some feed mill. And its never sold for #140! But if u can have access to that, great! However, many studies have found totally substituting fish meal with plant protein like soya

Hello, pls I would love to ask you some questions. What amount of blood meal do you consider as safe in a 100kg feed and what amount of fish oil can be used to make it attracting/palatable? Also, would appreciate if you can share the complete formula you use if you substitute for fish meal. And what is your average weight achieved at harvest? I would appreciate your sincere response. Thanks

[quote author=soft777 post=40849169]Thank you for the correction t was actually a typing error wanted to write 450 thank you.
Though the calculation remains the same , because we did not use fish meal in my calculation analysis , i also gave range of ingredients you can choose from that is more or relatively cheaper in your locality ,
Now to blood , many people have misunderstand or miss use this cheap but very effective ingredient . Blood meal is used all a

Kudos to you for the great info you always drop here. Concerning the use of 25 - 30kg blood meal, could you please drop the measurement of fish oil that would match up with that amount of blood meal per 100kg feed? Also, it would be great if you could drop a typical feed formula for starter and finisher including the average weight based on your experience. I believe this would be a good guide to any beginner. Thanks

@donnaheff nd walexy001, am not selling my soya for now. Wanna keep it a bit