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Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Alezy(m): 10:15am On Dec 11, 2015
Truckpusher:
Infringement of the right to self determination by denying any group social justice whether perceived or not is not a right at all but highhandedness, just as the United Nations has no definition for who's a terrorist and who's not, after all another man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
NL owner got this one all wrong - His action should be condemned by all those who truly believe in democratic principles and not be clouded by overzealous sentiment masked with hate and bigotry.
best comment eva
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Alezy(m): 10:19am On Dec 11, 2015
dearpreye:
Keep saying it as it is....always. And that's why you're my brother. The Owner messed up big time.
he knows it's a mistake but the money he was offered was too juicy to reject.
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 10:20am On Dec 11, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:
Bros abeg make I lost for that waist...

Good morning sir!
Hahahaha. SMH! God will have mercy on your soul. Very funny.
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 10:22am On Dec 11, 2015
Alezy:
he knows it's a mistake but the money he was offered was too juicy to reject.
That was a very disingenuous move from the owner. Whatever the inducement or otherwise, it was very callous move. Very insulting, in the least.
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by flokii: 10:22am On Dec 11, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:
Let me first apologise for posting this on this section. This is because I have been restricted from posting on politics section due to ban given to me by one of the moderators in that section.

The purpose of this thread is to call the attention of the Founder of Nairaland, Mr Seun Osewa over his decision to 'ban' the promotion of Biafran agitation on Nairaland.com. As most of us know, Rule 9 has been amended by the owner to reflect on the ban. Quoting the rule...


Though I am neither an Igboman nor one of the promoters of Biafra, I couldn't help but express displeasure in the rule because it violates Article 2 of United Nations Resolution on Self Determination (1960), Sections 35, 39 and 42 of the Constitution of Nigeria and also is in conflict with the principle of Social justice.

For avoidance of doubt, article 2 of the UN Resolution on Self-Determination states that...

All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

It clearly states that people should FREELY determine their status and freely pursue it.
The decision of Mr Seun has contravened this paragraph and it is not something we should celebrate.

Furthermore, Nigeria Constitution guarantee some rights to every citizen and group. Some of which include;

1. Right to personal liberty (Section 35): Every person is entitled to personal liberty.

2. Right to freedom of Expression (Section 39): Right to freedom of expression and the press is very fundamental to the sustenance of democracy

3. Right to freedom from discrimination (Section 42): No citizen of Nigeria shall be discriminated against on the basis of his community, ethnic group, place of origin, sex, religion or political opinion

All the aforementioned rights have been taken away by the amended rule 9 of Nairaland.com. Additionally, the decision of Mr Seun also contravenes the principle of social justice. For avoidance of doubt, Social justice principle is of the view that everyone deserves equal economic, political and social rights and opportunities.

While I have been at the receiving end of some pro-Biafran promoters in terms of insults and abuse, it won't make me to support what I know is against their fundamental right as Nigerians and citizens of the world.

It will be more appropriate for the moderators to take down content by agitators of Biafra that promotes hate, violence and support arson. However, they deserve the right to be expressive. Those of us that believe in Nigeria will not hesitate to engage promoters of Biafra movement intellectually when opportuned.

Yes, we love promoters of Biafrans and some people don't want the Igbo nation or any other nation to secede but it is inappropriate to shut their voices. We have to uphold the tenet of democracy in promoting our unity.



May God Bless Us All and Bless Nigeria.
Mr. I have just one question for you..

why was Radio Biafraa founded when we have lots of radio stations in d east

the fact that you feel something is not right does not make it entirely wrong..

seun didn't ask igbos to leave.. did he?
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 10:23am On Dec 11, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:
Truckpusher is simply saying that irrespective of our disagreement in opinion with promoters of Biafran State, we shouldn't employ the undemocratic tool of gagging their voice and aspiration. Allow people to speak their mind but censor vulgar/hate/inciteful content.
...oh, in the name of democracy tolerate hate and chaos as YouTube tolerate terrorist uploads and all? We as Nigerians have our rights too you know? Nairaland is not a Biafran website...the agitators can go to the UN website and YouTube to spread their hate propaganda not hereon.
@ Seun, Oga at the top..twale to You Sir..but for the record Niger Delta is not Biafra..we empathize with whatever group of people that may feel marginalized.. but we are Niger Deltans, we are Nigerians
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 10:24am On Dec 11, 2015
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Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by ishiamu(m): 10:27am On Dec 11, 2015
osedvgirl:
part of the reasons why rule 9 stands
Now get lost, didn't you see how this insult all started? Must you be a hypocrite for life?
Mtchew
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Alezy(m): 10:31am On Dec 11, 2015
dearpreye:
That was a very disingenuous move from the owner. Whatever the inducement or otherwise, it was very callous move. Very insulting, in the least.
he has just given other bloggers a better chance to be up there.

I was beginning to get tired of NL before now....I can't be in a forum where the owner don't promote human rights to speech n others instead takes sides on issues like dis.

If he thinks it's not cool, why not open a thread let others debate on it? ? what if biafra finally comes? ? what will be the fate of this forum? ?
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 10:34am On Dec 11, 2015
Alezy:
he has just given other bloggers a better chance to be up there.

I was beginning to get tired of NL before now....I can't be in a forum where the owner don't promote human rights to speech n others instead takes sides on issues like dis.

If he thinks it's not cool, why not open a thread let others debate on it? ? what if biafra finally comes? ? what will be the fate of this forum? ?
I'm so sure he's regretting his ill advised action NOW.
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Alezy(m): 10:35am On Dec 11, 2015
BlaqCoffee109:
...oh, in the name of democracy tolerate hate and chaos as YouTube tolerate terrorist uploads and all? We as Nigerians have our rights too you know? Nairaland is not a Biafran website...the agitators can go to the UN website and YouTube to spread their hate propaganda not hereon.
@ Seun, Oga at the top..twale to You Sir..but for the record Niger Delta is not Biafra..we empathize with whatever group of people that may feel marginalized.. but we are Niger Deltans, we are Nigerians
don't worry, when u eventually grow up, probably graduate from the uni and u don't get a job or where to turn after years in this our Niger Delta u will understand better.

I rest my case
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by TonyeBarcanista(op): 10:43am On Dec 11, 2015
BlaqCoffee109:
...oh, in the name of democracy tolerate hate and chaos as YouTube tolerate terrorist uploads and all? We as Nigerians have our rights too you know? Nairaland is not a Biafran website...the agitators can go to the UN website and YouTube to spread their hate propaganda not hereon.
@ Seun, Oga at the top..twale to You Sir..but for the record Niger Delta is not Biafra..we empathize with whatever group of people that may feel marginalized.. but we are Niger Deltans, we are Nigerians
The right to self-determination is never illegitimate anywhere. In fact, it is illegitimate to deny a people such right. Biafra is not a terrorist group nor an outlawed group. It is a name that a group of people choose to call themselves. Several other groups of similar interest abound like the Catalunya, Western Sahara and even Palestine. Equating the concept of biafra with terrorists group is faulty.

That said, please do understand that some of us are AGAINST the methodology of IPOB for being inciteful and employing illegitimate tool. But that doesn't make Biafra as a concept illegitimate. Truly, I don't share in Biafra ideology but at the same time it doesn't make it illegitimate. Allow these people to express themselves but censor hateful and inciteful content. This is exactly what Youtube, Facebook, twitter and other social network are doing. You don't gag views because some promoters employ uncivilised tool.

I honestly look forward to the moment where I'll be opportuned to engage promoters of Biafra in healthy and intellectual debate. That's what a society need.

For the record, nobody is happy with the present structure of Nigeria. As a Niger Deltan from Rivers state, our demand for True Federalism and fiscal autonomy is yet to see the light of day. Every other groups have their own unmet demands and feel marginalised...Including the North
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by fejikudz(m): 10:52am On Dec 11, 2015
flokii:
Mr. I have just one question for you..

why was Radio Biafraa founded when we have lots of radio stations in d east

the fact that you feel something is not right does not make it entirely wrong..

seun didn't ask igbos to leave.. did he?
Sir, can i ask you one question..

Why was opc radio founded when wevhave lots of radio station in the west??
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by TonyeBarcanista(op): 10:57am On Dec 11, 2015
flokii:
Mr. I have just one question for you..

why was Radio Biafraa founded when we have lots of radio stations in d east

the fact that you feel something is not right does not make it entirely wrong..

seun didn't ask igbos to leave.. did he?
I didn't express my feeling, I called Seun's attention to his action that contravenes several laws, principle and charter. Radio Bia.fraa is only but a medium and the fact that it exist doesn't mean a forum like NL should prevent agitators from speaking.

Seun's action have put a wall against a set of people from FREELY expressing themselves and their thought. It has restricted their fundamental right as citizen of the world. It is his forum no doubt but highly inappropriate.
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by flokii: 10:59am On Dec 11, 2015
fejikudz:
Sir, can i ask you one question..

Why was opc radio founded when wevhave lots of radio station in the west??
OPC and Biafraa are two different things bro..

just like Arewa youth forum in d north...

Biafraa as much as I hate to say it has TREASON written all over it..

why do you think most Eastern politicians are not coming out to support it openly even though we all know they are in support.

Everything in Life is tactics... you must do things right and follow the right channels else you'll lose

why didn't Biafraans protest when they were expeleed during a football match for displaying Biafraa flags WHY?

Nairaland I believe is for Nigerians... you can't see Ghanian issues being discussed... you copy?
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Alezy(m): 11:01am On Dec 11, 2015
Seun has now resulted to closing any thread that involves Biafra. hmm. ....The hustle is real.
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by obailala(m): 12:06pm On Dec 11, 2015
PRYCE:
I was shocked when I read the updated rule yesterday!

I mean it's totally out of sorts to gag a particular ethnic group, prevent them from speaking out if they feel maligned simply because you own the medium from which their voices are heard!

But then, Mr Seun behaves like the typical CEO who does the bidding of the 'board' with extreme prejudice not giving a damn about what the consumers think...

I think The Social Media Bill is Now in full effect... enforced not by the law but by threats!...

...And I'm curious as to what Lai Mohammed Told em last month; bloggers I mean!
I'm sorry but I don't see how this rule is gagging any particular ethnic group. Firstly, there are millions of Igbos including myself who don't give a hoot about Biafra (because we don't see disintegration as a solution to our problems). Secondly, there is nothing wrong with speaking out when one feels maligned but when it becomes an outright campaign to balkanise the nation, even if there are good reasons, I don't think this is the right forum.

Nairaland is a pro-Nigerian forum, don't you think it is an aberration to come into a pro-Nigerian forum to spread the message of division?... Giving audience to pro-Biafran topics is like allowing an Islamic scholar walk into a church to preach to the congregation to convert to Islam; no matter how peace loving or liberal the church is, no church would allow that.
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 12:09pm On Dec 11, 2015
Why is this not on front page yet? Who is afraid of biafra?
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 12:33pm On Dec 11, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:
Let me first apologise for posting this on this section. This is because I have been restricted from posting on politics section due to ban given to me by one of the moderators in that section.

The purpose of this thread is to call the attention of the Founder of Nairaland, Mr Seun Osewa over his decision to 'ban' the promotion of Biafran agitation on Nairaland.com. As most of us know, Rule 9 has been amended by the owner to reflect on the ban. Quoting the rule...



May God Bless Us All and Bless Nigeria.
You seem to forget that Nairaland is a business with Seun as the owner. The main goal of any venture is to make profit. What happens when the DSS clamps down on Nairaland because of the Biafra agitations? Be reasonable
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by janefrancisca(f): 12:51pm On Dec 11, 2015
thehorlufemi:
You want to seceed but you insult people while doing it. You call southwest, South West. Yoruba, Yoruba its not really nice to know that people hate you that much. They spew so much hate that you start having phobia that once u are among Igbo people you can loose your life.

I've not seen any real reason for the agitation.
But you call them Igbos, chest beaters and biafrauds..oh i forget, those are complements not insults. Dude, you are just one big "HYPOCRITE". Your phobia is as a result of hate inside you, rid yourself of it...its life threatening bro undecided.
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Truckpusher(m): 1:01pm On Dec 11, 2015
BlaqCoffee109:
..who is spreading hate and calling our Motherland a zoo? I don't get you? in any case goodmorning to you truckie
They call Nigeria a 'zoo' and we constantly remind them that they are in the same zoo, eating the same food from the same zoo, marry from the same zoo and still do business in the same zoo.

When you sit on the fence and allow another man to be gagged in any democratic system - you're simply creating an avenue for your own gagging.

"Then they came for the Jews, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew... When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out" - Friedrich Gustav Emil Martin Niemöller
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Truckpusher(m): 1:25pm On Dec 11, 2015
dearpreye:
Keep saying it as it is....always. And that's why you're my brother. The Owner messed up big time.
We will keep saying it the way it is irrespective of whose ox is gored.
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 1:36pm On Dec 11, 2015
Truckpusher:
We will keep saying it the way it is irrespective of whose ox is gored.
The owner messed up big time. Though not an Igbo, I felt totally slighted by his submission. How's everything boss?
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Truckpusher(m): 1:39pm On Dec 11, 2015
dearpreye:
The owner messed up big time. Though not an Igbo, I felt totally slighted by his submission. How's everything boss?
My brother I dey o .

Long time no ( see) Atlantic Ocean. cheesy
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 1:44pm On Dec 11, 2015
Truckpusher:
My brother I dey o .

Long time no ( see) Atlantic Ocean. cheesy
I tried reaching you this morning but someone else responded. You dey see tonyebarcanista and waist? How the Xmas go be na? We need to talk boss.
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Truckpusher(m): 1:47pm On Dec 11, 2015
dearpreye:
I tried reaching you this morning but someone else responded. You dey see tonyebarcanista and waist? How the Xmas go be na? We need to talk boss.
I'm not around but will come back on the 29th.
No wahala , we go see maybe na my own permanent waist pick the call o. grin

What Barcanista is doing is even ordained by the gods themselves - Omenka is even aware of the massive influence of a good waist . grin
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by drnoel: 1:47pm On Dec 11, 2015
Truckpusher:
Infringement of the right to self determination by denying any group social justice whether perceived or not is not a right at all but highhandedness, just as the United Nations has no definition for who's a terrorist and who's not, after all another man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
NL owner got this one all wrong - His action should be condemned by all those who truly believe in democratic principles and not be clouded by overzealous sentiment masked with hate and bigotry.
Hear hear!!!
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 1:50pm On Dec 11, 2015
Truckpusher:
I'm not around but will come back on the 29th.
No wahala , we go see maybe na my own permanent waist pick the call o. grin

What Barcanista is doing is even ordained by the gods themselves - Omenka is even aware of the massive influence of a good waist . grin
No wahala. Just be safe brother.

Barcanista has gone with the waist; the waist that produces waste. LOL!
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Truckpusher(m): 1:50pm On Dec 11, 2015
drnoel:
Hear hear!!!
They won't hear us at all. grin
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by IamLEGEND1: 1:51pm On Dec 11, 2015
MathsChic:
Certain things are a no-no on social media. P.orn is one of them. Of course, that should be regulated. So is racism. And every online discussion will surely have some elements of this, and thus should be regulated.

I understand your argument (and also like the way you argue, by the way), however I still don't accept that biafra talk should be outrightly banned. Of course, it can be regulated, with the spammers, trolls and haters warned or banned but not the subject itself, which is what Nairaland's owner has done.

Discussions about biafra, while it may awake passions and vitriol, is not in itself bad, nor should it be a no-no. That's just all am saying smiley
Well I am totally for those igbos following the right channels & most importantly the right wordings to voice their beliefs even though I think it'll come to nothing.... but I respect people like that. Pro-biafrans have been on NL for a while now and no one cared about what they did because they mostly stuck to the proper way of doing things & respected the peace here. But you'll agree with me that 99% of Pro-biafrans on NL right now have absolutely no regard for proper conduct and I consider Seun's outlawing of the whole topic to be out of necessity.
So in the end I think we only hold slightly different views on how total the ban should have been.
And I was pleasantly surprised by ur gorgeous civility grin...most people will go on the offensive if ur view doesn't tally with theirs.
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Truckpusher(m): 1:51pm On Dec 11, 2015
dearpreye:
No wahala. Just be safe brother.

Barcanista has gone with the waist; the waist that produces waste. LOL!
That waist doesn't produce waste if the rules are applied judiciously. grin
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 2:00pm On Dec 11, 2015
Truckpusher:
That waist doesn't produce waste if the rules are applied judiciously. grin
Hahaha. Very funny shaaa. I'll be free till end of month. Alert me once you're free....from waste...

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