Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet - Politics (9)

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Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by sinizia: 8:51pm On Dec 11, 2015

danbrowndmf:
seems ur angry... Your MB your right bro..

Lame comeback. If you have nothing superior to counter anyone's logic then best you ignore than to pull up this kinda dumb move. I never accused you of being angry, I asked you questions just like you did to me and you accuse me wrongly. I shouldn't have replied in the first place. SMH.

Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by ndcide(m): 8:51pm On Dec 11, 2015

kITATITA:
I passed through Onitsha on December 2 and you will review your position if you did. I counted nine burnt trucks. Thousands of northerners were trooping into Delta State; running for dear lives. Seemingly uninformed youths mounted road blocks, searching for people of northern descent. That's not social debate. You'd notice that Nairaland was used as a mobilization platform by the agitators. I was in Enugu for a week and I can tell you that despite the popularity of the Biafra agitation amongst the youths, a referendum will defeat the quest.

Why did things get to that extent. Was it not because of the killings by the military? Were they burning trucks before that day?

Irrespective of what we write here, No soldier from that part of the country would have pulled the trigger even though he may not believe in the movement.

I may not be into this biafra thing, but the National questions of Nigeria have remained unanswered.

The unity of Nigeria is not sacrosanct. We can decide to stay together, but the terms must be clear to all.

Let's not deceive ourselves as if the country is so United. Today it's the igbo people, tomorrow it will be another person. Nothing lasts forever.

It may not be issues about secession it may be something else. As Nigerians we must learn to talk to ourselves and resolve issues rather than pretending they don't exist.

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Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by danbrowndmf(m): 9:01pm On Dec 11, 2015

sinizia:
Lame comeback. If you have nothing superior to counter anyone's logic then best you ignore than to pull up this kinda dumb move. I never accused you of being angry, I asked you questions just like you did to me and you accuse me wrongly. I shouldn't have replied in the first place. SMH.

it was never like i wanted to attack u or something . You don't really have to write it out before i know ur angry with your write up...my reply was not base on beef or whatever u think it was..i only gave such reply cus it seems no matter what i say here u wunt give me a listening ear cus your upset/angry...my comment was not base on countering your opinion or anything ..my comment was made in other for ous to discuss about the issue(am not countering you or draging to win) & you even say my counter was dumb? Well. it okay sha...lerit go!

Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by IamLEGEND1: 9:04pm On Dec 11, 2015

Efe3:
the protests have hit more than 6 states capitals and the head bridge, these can affect your 'national security' more than pro-biafra posts gracing nairaland's frontpage for 40 years.

well at least the protesters are conducting themselves properly (for the most part).

But what we're seeing here on NL is just hate.

Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Ballmer: 9:05pm On Dec 11, 2015

centje:
Why are you even so bitter? Are you Seun? Do think readers will take your opinion when present it like a tout?

"Amadioha should fire igbos if they cry marginalisation"

What is your business with what we say, are you federal government?

Not bitter just spitting you in your own coin especially to those that bliv they are professional in propagating hate. Am glad it's working on you though.

Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 9:11pm On Dec 11, 2015

You see how biased you guys can be. Hate post is not peculiar to Biafra promoters. Hate messages come from both promoters and non-promoters alike. Why single out promoters?

Most time, the Biafra front page thread are statements from prominent Nigerians or there's a protest. Check the first 5 posts on these threads, and you did see who usually start the hate posts. If you can be honest, take time to check what I just wrote.

Even unrelated threads, like federal staff by state of origin, currently on front page, is now a field day for Anti-Biafra posters.

PrincessJaneDoe:
Nobody is scared of Biafra, some of us are just tired of the hate from some of the Biafra supporters. If they want to discuss Biafra, they should go to their site and leave Nairaland for Nigerians.

If boko haram were discussing here on Nairaland and they were banned, would you have said the same thing? I mean Kanu went as far as sourcing for weapons. That is how terrorism starts.

Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 9:18pm On Dec 11, 2015

I am more mature than getting worked up like you, by online post.

Hate message is not peculiar to promoters of Biafra, hate posts come from both Anti-biafra and pro-biafra.

Ballmer:
Not bitter just spitting you in your own coin especially to those that bliv they are professional in propagating hate. Am glad it's working on you though.

Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by najoke: 9:18pm On Dec 11, 2015

arresa:
Unfortunately for the as usual misguided, self self serving, attention seeking OP and his hateful, bigoted, caustic and abusive friends, freedom of speech is not absolute, it doesn't guarantee you the right to incite, promote violence and hatred.

1. In many advanced democracies especially in nearly all of europe, they have laws on their books against hate and defamatory speech, incitement and promotion of violence which is what the lawless biafra agitators do on NL all day and everyday on NL.

2. FB is a global online platform, but they don't tolerate or allow hate speech and incitement on FB so why should NL allow you to promote such ugliness.?

3. In Canada, you get 2-14 years in prison for hate and incitement.

4. In South Africa, hate speech (along with incitement to violence and propaganda for war) is specifically excluded from protection of free speech in the Constitution.

5. Sweden prohibits hate speech, and defines it as publicly making statements that threaten or express disrespect for an ethnic group or similar group regarding their race, skin colour, national or ethnic origin, faith, or sexual orientation

6. In the United Kingdom, several statutes criminalize hate speech against several categories of persons. The statutes forbid communication which is hateful, threatening, abusive, or insulting and which targets a person on account of skin colour, race, disability, nationality (including citizenship), ethnic or national origin, religion, or sexual orientation. The penalties for hate speech include fines, imprisonment, or both.

Again, freedom of speech is not absolute and it doesn't arrogate to you the right to hate, incite and promote violence against other people.

I'm not sure if this is a reflection of the OP's well known inability and lack of capacity to differentiate between right and wrong or he's just trying to pander to his hate based congregation on NL., either way, his unfortunate write up spells ignorance, intellectual laziness and poor judgement.

GBAM!!!!

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Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Ishilove: 9:25pm On Dec 11, 2015

inlandtaipan:
Yeah, that's why you are here, please deliver me from konji.

Smh

Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by coolscott(m): 9:25pm On Dec 11, 2015*

Truckpusher:
I saw it and I knew that some persons are still very immature when it comes to the tenets of a true democracy but hey! I would rather sit this one out on the fence but freedom of expression, speech and right to self determination shouldn't be gagged under any circumstances.

I do expect the Biafran agitators to abandon Nairaland in protest - But these emotionally battered agitators won't see beyond the insult,bias, and deliberate attempt by the owner of Nairaland to gag a people's right to seek for redress in a democratic Nigeria in other to reflect the body language of the administration-cum military regime of Buhari.

Seun should dust up some books, read up and stop making Nairaland a mockery.

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As somebody said on nairaland...[/size]

Kachisbarbie:
[size=18pt]...Some people are getting it twisted already, feel free to promote your tribe _ I think the problem here is doing it at the detriment of national unity.[/size]

Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Ishilove: 9:28pm On Dec 11, 2015

arresa:
Unfortunately for the as usual misguided, self self serving, attention seeking OP and his hateful, bigoted, caustic and abusive friends, freedom of speech is not absolute, it doesn't guarantee you the right to incite, promote violence and hatred.

1. In many advanced democracies especially in nearly all of europe, they have laws on their books against hate and defamatory speech, incitement and promotion of violence which is what the lawless biafra agitators do on NL all day and everyday on NL.

2. FB is a global online platform, but they don't tolerate or allow hate speech and incitement on FB so why should NL allow you to promote such ugliness.?

3. In Canada, you get 2-14 years in prison for hate and incitement.

4. In South Africa, hate speech (along with incitement to violence and propaganda for war) is specifically excluded from protection of free speech in the Constitution.

5. Sweden prohibits hate speech, and defines it as publicly making statements that threaten or express disrespect for an ethnic group or similar group regarding their race, skin colour, national or ethnic origin, faith, or sexual orientation

6. In the United Kingdom, several statutes criminalize hate speech against several categories of persons. The statutes forbid communication which is hateful, threatening, abusive, or insulting and which targets a person on account of skin colour, race, disability, nationality (including citizenship), ethnic or national origin, religion, or sexual orientation. The penalties for hate speech include fines, imprisonment, or both.

Again, freedom of speech is not absolute and it doesn't arrogate to you the right to hate, incite and promote violence against other people.

I'm not sure if this is a reflection of the OP's well known inability and lack of capacity to differentiate between right and wrong or he's just trying to pander to his hate based congregation on NL., either way, his unfortunate write up spells ignorance, intellectual laziness and poor judgement.

QED.

In short, lemme follow you

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Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by danbrowndmf(m): 9:28pm On Dec 11, 2015

sinizia:
Cc: Danbrownmf.

like i said earlier..never had any intention to counter your said opinion..i was only saying seun is not hating on the igbos...i brought my idea more like a discussion but you blew everything up like we had beef...

Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 9:38pm On Dec 11, 2015

TonyeBarcanista:
@Lalasticlala @Obinoscopy @Moderators on this section, please help move this to Politics Section.

Thanks!

if against d rules abeg allele delete ur account off nairaland land now lyk some igbos has deleted their account today alone cuz they only are here 4 biafran reasons

1.Tony is like u love d tribalistic hatred biafrian threads has brought on d igbos. creating a lot of anxiety 4 igbos in d SW region, North and part of d south south. if u really love them, u wont open dis thread.

2. Go to biafra page on facebook and comment as a south south indigene and post ur status against biafra..it will be surely be deleted almost immediately cuz is igbo comments alone dat stays there.

3. You did not mention that d secessionist are not going about it d right way or are you even not on d head Tony?(why wud Igbo person open thread just to insult Niger deltas, yorubas, hausa and fulanis saying rubbish dat r not founded. when they have no home than yoruba lands as their second home.

4. why do you expect igbo people to be outlaw and yorubas to be lawful individual always? havnt they restrain frm crimes enough?

5.Do u think u r more wiser than seun osewa that let biafra threads to stay on nairaland for almost ten years now? if it is igbo social medium will u enjoy such freedom?

6. where wia u wen threads like Ijaws are igbos, itsekiri are igbo, ikwere are igbos, Agbors are igbos e.t.c as against their wishes?

Tony i guess u've been enjoying this hateful threads on Biafra daily due to ur attention u gettin frm it.
you deserve to be flogged.

Mods should please delete this stupid post.

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Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by jorlons(m): 9:38pm On Dec 11, 2015

2. FB is a global online platform, but they don't tolerate or allow hate speech and incitement on FB so why should NL allow you to promote such ugliness.?

@Tonyebarcanista, part of our National obligation is to defend our country's unity and that's what seun did. Pls refer to the Nig. Pledge.

Do you have an idea of the number of underaged that gets imbued with hate on a daily basis because of biafra.

These guys who claims to have undergone peaceful protests, constantly turn the politics board into something else. Hw many intelligent discussions have you had with them?

Your argument would have been stronger if ur comparisons were made against other social media sites like facebook.

Freedom of speech is not absolute my friend, don't be deceived, even the so called advanced countries we emulate in our laws do not practice it.

Anyways! My opinion.

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Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 9:40pm On Dec 11, 2015

centje:
I am more mature than getting worked up like you, by online post.

Hate message is not peculiar to promoters of Biafra, hate posts come from both Anti-biafra and pro-biafra.

Yeah. You are right. The hate is from both sides. Just like the childish Igbo Vs Yoruba argument here. The most annoying thing is their belief in god. lol. Reading this thread alone you see even traces of it. I pity him. Hatred should have been his point and not Biafra. I only pity him. I hope he finds out why early.

Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 9:45pm On Dec 11, 2015

hmath3991:
when we eventually have our freedom from the zoo(nigeria) we wud make sure we wipe out the whole yorubastard race from the surface of this earth.PROUDLY S.SOUTH
PROUDLY BIAFRAN

cant u say proudly igbo? pained bastard grin

Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 9:46pm On Dec 11, 2015

hmath3991:
when we eventually have our freedom from the zoo(nigeria) we wud make sure we wipe out the whole yorubastard race from the surface of this earth.PROUDLY S.SOUTH
PROUDLY BIAFRAN

Calm down, nothing will happen. But then Yoruba is not the problem. When a people is afraid of discussing their existence they are not ready to exist together then. Nigeria is too heterogeneous to live this unexamined life.

Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by omonnakoda: 9:48pm On Dec 11, 2015

TonyeBarcanista:
Let me first apologise for posting this on this section. This is because I have been restricted from posting on politics section due to ban given to me by one of the moderators in that section.

The purpose of this thread is to call the attention of the Founder of Nairaland, Mr Seun Osewa over his decision to 'ban' the promotion of Biafran agitation on Nairaland.com. As most of us know, Rule 9 has been amended by the owner to reflect on the ban. Quoting the rule...

Though I am neither an Igboman nor one of the promoters of Biafra, I couldn't help but express displeasure in the rule because it violates Article 2 of United Nations Resolution on Self Determination (1960), Sections 35, 39 and 42 of the Constitution of Nigeria and also is in conflict with the principle of Social justice.

For avoidance of doubt, article 2 of the UN Resolution on Self-Determination states that...

All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

It clearly states that people should FREELY determine their status and freely pursue it.
The decision of Mr Seun has contravened this paragraph and it is not something we should celebrate.

Furthermore, Nigeria Constitution guarantee some rights to every citizen and group. Some of which include;

1. Right to personal liberty (Section 35): Every person is entitled to personal liberty.

2. Right to freedom of Expression (Section 39): Right to freedom of expression and the press is very fundamental to the sustenance of democracy

3. Right to freedom from discrimination (Section 42): No citizen of Nigeria shall be discriminated against on the basis of his community, ethnic group, place of origin, sex, religion or political opinion

All the aforementioned rights have been taken away by the amended rule 9 of Nairaland.com. Additionally, the decision of Mr Seun also contravenes the principle of social justice. For avoidance of doubt, Social justice principle is of the view that everyone deserves equal economic, political and social rights and opportunities.

While I have been at the receiving end of some pro-Biafran promoters in terms of insults and abuse, it won't make me to support what I know is against their fundamental right as Nigerians and citizens of the world.

It will be more appropriate for the moderators to take down content by agitators of Biafra that promotes hate, violence and support arson. However, they deserve the right to be expressive. Those of us that believe in Nigeria will not hesitate to engage promoters of Biafra movement intellectually when opportuned.

Yes, we love promoters of Biafrans and some people don't want the Igbo nation or any other nation to secede but it is inappropriate to shut their voices. We have to uphold the tenet of democracy in promoting our unity.

May God Bless Us All and Bless Nigeria.

First of all I do not agree with the new rule however there is no right to use Nairaland to express opinions just as there is no right to be given a platform on CNN to air your views

The owner of Nairaland has every right to take this decision though in my opinion it is unwise even from a business perspective. How long did it take for VHS videos to become obsolete? Nigerians are creative people and this sort of decision will only build resentment and lead ultimately to alternatives. The agitation for Biafra needs an outlet and in my view it should be allowed as long as it obeys the other existing rules.
By doing this it creates the impression,wrongly, that Yoruba or others are afraid of Biafra. Please let the Eboes discuss their Biafra.
I would be a mistake to think Nairaland cannot go the way of the VHS recorders
The owner needs to examine himself and take steps to curtail his autocratic tendencies particularly those that amount to own goals such as this one

Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by sinizia: 9:48pm On Dec 11, 2015

danbrowndmf:
it was never like i wanted to attack u or something . You don't really have to write it out before i know ur angry with your write up...my reply was not base on beef or whatever u think it was..i only gave such reply cus it seems no matter what i say here u wunt give me a listening ear cus your upset/angry...my comment was not base on countering your opinion or anything ..my comment was made in other for ous to discuss about the issue(am not countering you or draging to win) & you even say my counter was dumb? Well. it okay sha...lerit go!

And my discussing with you meant me being angry? For real? Even when I didn't insult you? So asking you questions means I'm angry? Okay then.

Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by inlandtaipan: 9:53pm On Dec 11, 2015

Ishilove:
Smh

stop acting like you don't love me babe cry

Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Goke7: 10:01pm On Dec 11, 2015

Na wa o, I thought some fellows said they were deactivating their accounts and vowed never to return to nairaland but alas they can't just leave us in peace.

There must just be something in nairaland that they can't see or get somewhere else, but they will never be humble aboutit but instead abuse and throw insults on the owner of the platform that gives them so much to express themselves. They think they are the one doing the owner a favour but its actually the other way round.

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Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by bettercreature(m): 10:07pm On Dec 11, 2015

That terrible moderator banned me 3times in 15 days,I will not create a threat withing the next 6 months to protest against anonymous moderator who is trying to hang shiIt on me

Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Weedcrusher: 10:13pm On Dec 11, 2015

TonyeBarcanista:
Let me first apologise for posting this on this section. This is because I have been restricted from posting on politics section due to ban given to me by one of the moderators in that section.

The purpose of this thread is to call the attention of the Founder of Nairaland, Mr Seun Osewa over his decision to 'ban' the promotion of Biafran agitation on Nairaland.com. As most of us know, Rule 9 has been amended by the owner to reflect on the ban. Quoting the rule...

Though I am neither an Igboman nor one of the promoters of Biafra, I couldn't help but express displeasure in the rule because it violates Article 2 of United Nations Resolution on Self Determination (1960), Sections 35, 39 and 42 of the Constitution of Nigeria and also is in conflict with the principle of Social justice.

For avoidance of doubt, article 2 of the UN Resolution on Self-Determination states that...

All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

It clearly states that people should FREELY determine their status and freely pursue it.
The decision of Mr Seun has contravened this paragraph and it is not something we should celebrate.

Furthermore, Nigeria Constitution guarantee some rights to every citizen and group. Some of which include;

1. Right to personal liberty (Section 35): Every person is entitled to personal liberty.

2. Right to freedom of Expression (Section 39): Right to freedom of expression and the press is very fundamental to the sustenance of democracy

3. Right to freedom from discrimination (Section 42): No citizen of Nigeria shall be discriminated against on the basis of his community, ethnic group, place of origin, sex, religion or political opinion

All the aforementioned rights have been taken away by the amended rule 9 of Nairaland.com. Additionally, the decision of Mr Seun also contravenes the principle of social justice. For avoidance of doubt, Social justice principle is of the view that everyone deserves equal economic, political and social rights and opportunities.

While I have been at the receiving end of some pro-Biafran promoters in terms of insults and abuse, it won't make me to support what I know is against their fundamental right as Nigerians and citizens of the world.

It will be more appropriate for the moderators to take down content by agitators of Biafra that promotes hate, violence and support arson. However, they deserve the right to be expressive. Those of us that believe in Nigeria will not hesitate to engage promoters of Biafra movement intellectually when opportuned.

Yes, we love promoters of Biafrans and some people don't want the Igbo nation or any other nation to secede but it is inappropriate to shut their voices. We have to uphold the tenet of democracy in promoting our unity.

May God Bless Us All and Bless Nigeria.

If nairaland means land of naira, and naira is the currency of Nigeria, don't you think it's insensible to ignore a hateful campaign to put Nigeria in chaos?

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Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by FTBOY: 10:13pm On Dec 11, 2015

Ishilove:
This forum is a private property. If you want to agitate for Biafra go and create your own platform in the monolithic World Wide Web and stop disturbing our peace.

BTW, where is that irredeemable clown Ifedubatoooooooo??

One Nigeria!!

hey biitch, remember me? fucktoto, the guy u banned and he trolled frustration into ur life. see what u've been reduced to....from a supermod to a lousy troll. such is life. i'm still celebrating ur fall. worse is coming ur way cool

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Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 10:14pm On Dec 11, 2015

The post you quoted to hail and affirm your view is highly biased even tho' he thought he made any sense.

If we can employ what ever is left of our rational reasoning, we did notice there are two sources of hate posts when it comes to issue of Biafra, on Nairaland;

first: the pro-Biafra posters.

Second: Anti-Biafra posters.

If people like you can be fair enough in reasoning you did see that the clamp down has been on pro-biafra, while anti-Biafra are having field day.

The poster you quoted, like Seun and his rule 9, only addressed hate messages from pro-biafra. Does it mean hate messages from Anti-Biafra posters are to be encouraged?

Ishilove:
QED.

In short, lemme follow you

Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by cococandy(f): 10:24pm On Dec 11, 2015

Why does that bother you?

Do they speak with your mouth?

IamLEGEND1:
And then there is something called 'Public disturbance'

and honestly,that shít is very annoying,not to mention,stale.

also, those people screaming 'Biafra' are mostly empty-headed vagabonds who know nothing about the inner workings of this country.

They aimlessly follow whatever their masters say and keep spamming this forum with pointless comments.

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