₦airaland Forum

My candid opinion:

Nigeria can conduct an enquiry into the event that led to the clash between the army and Shiites Muslims.

However, it is obvious that the Shiites group were indisciplined, unruly, deviant, unlawful and irresponsible. I guess they are majorly illetrates brainwashed by religious fanatics who perverted the religion for selfish motives.

The army went extreme in law enforcement and Nigerian human and material resources protection. The COAS, other generals and the convoy must have felt seriously threatened hence, the use of fire arms and extreme force to terminate the threat. I can understand the serious threat a militant group of fanatical and pervert Muslims can pose, especially when armed with weapons - cutlass, bows, arrows, sickles, swords etc.

My position is that the army did pretty well despite the sensitive and controversial nature of the circumstance. I don't blame them for engaging extreme force in dealing with the group. I will encourage them to be more diplomatic when presented similar events or circumstances in future but the army must never hesitate to engage extreme force against any group when need be, subject to the international rules of engagement.

How does this restore life taken? The NA and the gov't never thought b4 they acted on shooting spree by NA. Now yu are besetting homes and showing remorse: quite laughable and ignoramus; what a country of in dare need of Leadership!

IzonOwei:
what ever happened to dispersing that crowd with tear gases and rubber bullets..what ever happened to the nigerian army doing all they can not to fire a shot on citizen...This is the reason why nigeria is like this..and besides how many times or has the shiites ever attacked innocent citizens...

Our armies love to maltreat and kill innocent citizens...its their forte...

The army according to the video I saw did better than tear gas and rubber bullets, they were practically begging them to disperse.
Boko haram is killing them and some fools are blocking their way and wielding machetes in their faces where in the whole planet is this acceptable?

Smartsyn:
Somebody should please put me through here. So this group blocked the way of the military men, then the military men went on rampage and kill everything kill able, even a baby and raze their home and shrine, or is the shrine blocking the way too? Armoured vehicle was deployed to patrol the streets, chasing the civilians away..

There is more to this story than what is being told. I think its a premeditated plan to attack this sect.

I'm not a muslim, but I know what is wrong when I see one. This is wrong.

I am a Proud christian but the COAS should tender his resignation letter and everybody involved in this dastardly act brought to book. People protest and block roads all the time, it is not enough reason for this massacre/genocide. I cringe when i see Nigerians supporting the military for their action, it shows we have stayed too long in this ZOO and are beginning to act as lower ANIMALS. RIP Shiite Martyrs.

Mcbussy:
How many bottles sir? ... Can I also pick 1 olosho?

As many bottles brov, yes you can, just don't pick a shiite from gyallesu

IzonOwei:
what ever happened to dispersing that crowd with tear gases and rubber bullets..what ever happened to the nigerian army doing all they can not to fire a shot on citizen...This is the reason why nigeria is like this..and besides how many times or has the shiites ever attacked innocent citizens...

Our armies love to maltreat and kill innocent citizens...its their forte...

I don't think Tear gas is a standard issue for NA bro...so if ur gonna antagonize NA, I'm sure u must be expecting a more lethal force.

From what I've read so far, the army had some casualties too. The mob had gunman that opened fire from the mosque area. So let's not just assume these pple were innocently massacred until we get the facts.

frankwyte:
How does this restore life taken? The NA and the gov't never thought b4 they acted on shooting spree by NA. Now yu are besetting homes and showing remorse: quite laughable and ignoramus; what a country of in dare need of Leadership!

I can bet you have never been confronted with situation of threat to your life whereby you are armed to defend yourself. I don't expect you to understand the Nigerian army.
Maybe, you should go and live in the north, especially volatile areas where the muslim fanatics and perverts rain supreme so you can understand their modus operandi.

Mcbussy:
I am not disputing ur claims, but please as "the wise and smart one" give us few examples of how a handful of soldiers would have cleared a path blocked by up to a thousand Islamic mob chanting and yelling "alahu ahkbar"

Many of us just come here to say rubbish with the intent of pushing blame on a specific government we despise. That is the real problem of Nigerians. Only few of us are transparent and unbiased in our reasoning.

When they attacked and killed some members of this same group about a year ago, I didn't feel it was just, but I felt the soldiers were pushed. I didn't blame the soldiers and neither did I blame GEJ for that incident. Why is it that all of a sudden, a similar and more antagonizing event occurs, and suddenly, some clowns come here to put d blame on the army and at dsame time gladly blame GMB?

If they had successfully mobbed and killed the COAS and his crew, these same goons would still come here and shout Buhari dis, Buhari that. Now the army were antagonized and they decided to fight the mob, these same group of e-goats are here talking.

Why must people carry weapons like machetes to confront d Army with all this happening in the nation??...if u think machetes are not weapons, go and read the history of atrocities it was used to carry out in Sierra Leone, Rwanda, etc. Just a few months ago, some rumors were circulating that hundreds of soldiers were killed in one single attack. If u have a family in the military or if u have lost some1 to this Islamic insurgency, I'm sure u wouldn't be saying this trash.

The rules of engagement ur talking about doesn't apply to only gun to gun situations. If u engage me with any weapon that can harm or kill me (machete, cutlass or molotov cocktail), I have a right to hit u with any weapon at my disposal (AK47, RPG ) .... That is the rule of engagement.

The Nigerian Army in its crude form, Buratai can simply direct his convoy to take a different route in Zaria to get to his destination.

If the Nigerian Army need to deal with the Sect, conduct a covert operation and pick up the Sect leader without linking it to the Army, this will not attract bloodshed and unnecessary global attention.

Carlmax:
I am a Proud christian but the COAS should tender his resignation letter and everybody involved in this dastardly act brought to book. People protest and block roads all the time, it is not enough reason for this massacre/genocide. I cringe when i see Nigerians supporting the military for their action, it shows we have stayed too long in this ZOO and are beginning to act as lower ANIMALS. RIP Shiite Martyrs.

Sir, people protest all the time but when you bring weapons to your protest you become a threat to other citizens and the security forces have a mandate to contain you.

TonyeBarcanista:
It still doesn't justify the massacre

really?

Hmm many people dont knw that those shiites are dangerous just like bokoharam.
Kudus to Burutai men

Smartsyn:
Somebody should please put me through here. So this group blocked the way of the military men, then the military men went on rampage and kill everything kill able, even a baby and raze their home and shrine, or is the shrine blocking the way too? Armoured vehicle was deployed to patrol the streets, chasing the civilians away..

There is more to this story than what is being told. I think its a premeditated plan to attack this sect.

I'm not a muslim, but I know what is wrong when I see one. This is wrong.

Well, I'm a Muslim, and I watched the video. My point is why did the sect block the Army's convoy in the first place? Isn't that writing to letter to trouble? For close to 9 minutes, some Generals, including a Major General, was pleading to these youths but they refused. They were practically begging them but they would not leave.

Look, you don't stand in the way of the Army!? Yes, I get your point that the Shrine and all that were not in their way but why provoke the provocation in the first place if truely they are peaceful and law abiding as they later claim.

The greatest mistake they made was not giving the Army their right of way. If they had simply allowed the convoy to go in peace and continue what ever they claim to be doing on the road, we would have had all these needless bloodbath and death.

Just like someone said, your fundamental human right is not an absolute right, while exercising that right, it most not contravene the law not impugn on other people's right.

I dey watch

IzonOwei:
we are a barbaric nation..A nation used to jungle justice and a lack of care for fellow citizens reason why many are in support of the killings..using guns against sticks is what our army and many others are espousing here...

I'm tell you!

There are many ways to scare away large protest! Why not use rubber bullets or teargas and so and so but they wanted to test there power by massacre. And many here are supporting it.

Mztarstrechy:
A federal government delegation led by the Minister of Interior, Abdulrahman Dambazzau, visited Kaduna on Tuesday on a fact finding tour of the issues surrounding the military onslaught on the Shi’ite Movement of Nigeria and the damage resulting.

The delegation also comprised the police inspector general, Solomon Arase and the commandant-general of the Nigeria Security and Civil Defence Corps.

The group first visited Kaduna, the state capital, where they met the state governor, Nasir El-Rufai. From there they proceeded to Zaria, where they met with the emir, saw things for themselves and also visited Gyallesu, the main base of the Shi’ite sect.

Shrines and home of the sect founder, Sheikh Ibrahim Zakzaky were completely razed and bulldozed to the ground in Gyallesu. The town was heavily militarised with heavily armed soldiers all around the place and only a few civilians.

The onslaught against the sect by the Army started when members blocked the road, preventing a convoy of the chief of army staff, Tukur Buratai, from passing. The Army claimed that the group had attempted to assasinate the Chief of army staff,an allegation which the group denied.

Source: http://trezzy2..com.ng/2015/12/fg-delegation-visit-shiite-home-base-at.html

Wow! #Gyallesu aka Buns Villa #NMS Backyard #Memories...

dunkem21:
God bless you ..

..You know, sometimes, I feel some people really evolved from Ugandapitecus ..

lol... i think they are actually kenyapitecus cos that is how dy reason

Aigbofa:
Sir, people protest all the time but when you bring weapons to your protest you become a threat to other citizens and the security forces have a mandate to contain you.

contain you by killing innocent and babies ABI

That's your definition of containment!

ZUBY77:
There are some things I would like Nigerians to know. "There is always a reason to beat the maid".

The destruction of Shiite base was not as a result of blocking the road or attempting to Assasinate Buratai, that's bull crap.

However, the Shiite Sect originated from Iran. It was initially a grand conspiracy to fight Jews but they escalated.
Elzakzaky was chosen by Iran in the 80s to put their ideologies in Northern Nigeria. This group has been breaking laws, terrorizing even their fellow Muslims for long
This group were allegedly behind the assassination attempt on Buhari. Take note.
The army was in Zaria to destroy them nonetheless. The road blocking was just an excuse to commence operation.


My take on this is that they needed to be stopped on time. They were likely to get bigger soon and Kaduna is too strategic to be used as a terrorist base in the north.

The Army should have handled their operations covertly without them getting involved. This is where espionage and proper planning comes into play. They can even eliminate the Sect Leader without anyone linking it back to the Army.

Aigbofa:
The army according to the video I saw did better than tear gas and rubber bullets, they were practically begging them to disperse.
Boko haram is killing them and some fools are blocking their way and wielding machetes in their faces where in the whole planet is this acceptable?

Exazctly my point at the bold part. They were begging them for close to 9 minutes.

Look, I'm a Muslim if you care to know. It's not as if I'm happy about this, but my Jihad does not tell me to go and block the convoy of a Sovereign Nation's Army, it doesn't work that way... it is suicidal! What would it have cost them to just allow the Army go their way?

I think the person below me; that reply my comment was way below my understanding and how things run! Needless to argue with you based on this issue; Go watch the video that is trendy and make an objective stand. i ask yu this salient question; if yur family is murdered with cold blood yu will understand the scenario better than now because obviously yu are blinded or yu chose to be blinded either of the two bro....

sonofananimal:
As far as i don't like MUSLIM and there barbaric Islam religion, but what the military did is uncalled and genocide!

You can't just attack an unarmed civilian with guns and destroying there home for just that simple protest.

Our military are very STVPID and untrained.


I guess that's what there have been doing in Maiduguri, killing innocent people there and burning villages.

U are truly son of an animal, to which species do you belong abeg? because this ur level of foolishness is an embarrassment to some species of animal.....

VenusBetty:
really?

absolutely ma'am

TonyeBarcanista:
It still doesn't justify the massacre

you're not in zaria, these people are just waiting for problems to start so they can kill people and loot properties. If their cause is a good one, why move with swords?

TonyeBarcanista:
It still doesn't justify the massacre

you're not in zaria, these people are just waiting for problems to start so they can kill people and loot properties. If their cause is a good one, why move with swords? they block federal roads on fridays for God knows what. This was going to happen eitherways

sonofananimal:
contain you by killing innocent and babies ABI

That's your definition of containment!

Please explain to me where babies block highways while wielding machetes. And if you have babies at home common sense should tell you that you shouldn't start a fight by holding a machete while confronting a man holding a gun.

mbhs139:
Exazctly my point at the bold part. They were begging them for close to 9 minutes.

Look, I'm a Muslim if you care to know. It's not as if I'm happy about this, but my Jihad does not tell me to go and block the convoy of a Sovereign Nation's Army, it doesn't work that way... it is suicidal! What would it have cost them to just allow the Army go their way?

My brother I am not happy about this too. I have criticized the NA before for being heavy handed but not on this occasion.
The whole confrontation was pointless.

cashkid:
U are truly son of an animal, to which species do you belong abeg? because this ur level of foolishness is an embarrassment to some species of animal.....

thank you!


I guess you are somewhere In the south talking what you don't know.

TonyeBarcanista:
It still doesn't justify the massacre

but what would have happened had it been buratai was murdered?

y is islam a problem to this world?

They wouldn't Bleep with Nigeria Army next time

Aigbofa:
Sir, people protest all the time but when you bring weapons to your protest you become a threat to other citizens and the security forces have a mandate to contain you.

Sticks and Catapult vs Guns, Explosives and Bulldozers. it is neither proportional nor commensurate. Google the Nigerian Army Rule of Engagement (ROE) for Internal Security Operations. It is very sad, very very!!!.

sonofananimal:
As far as i don't like MUSLIM and there barbaric Islam religion, but what the military did is uncalled and genocide!

You can't just attack an unarmed civilian with guns and destroying there home for just that simple protest.

Our military are very STVPID and untrained.


I guess that's what there have been doing in Maiduguri, killing innocent people there and burning villages.

bro how do u people reason? Did u take time to watch the video? Didn't u see the machetes those guys were holding? How on earth will u call them unarmed protesters? Who even gave them right to block a fg road?