₦airaland Forum

fistonati:
Thank God am a Muslim and I like my Muslim life.

YA ALLAH, continue to lead me in ur paths

koolJ1:
1. Muslims are scared to leave the religion because of the attracting death penalty (Yep, no compulsion in religion)

No one is scared of leaving Islam, I dont know where u get this thrash from.

2. Muslims are increasing in number by procreation. Breeding like rats...far more than they can ever be able to handle, except an elite few. Yes, tell me that the rate of conversion to Islam in northern Nigeria is as high as the rate of procreation. Sex is the pastime of the poor and jobless. When a 20 year old jobless man has 4 wives...yeah, your guess is as good as mine. so let's be clear that 'islam's increasing adherents' is not by conversion, it is by procreation.

There's no need to be cry or be emotional about this. No matter how u lament Islam would continue to grow. I never denied Islam mortality rate, in fact its the highest .So if u want urs to increase make more babies and encourage ur friends and families.

Moreover, in terms of conversion Islam is still d highest, so u can wail more. Or are u willing to challenge dis fact?!

On an aside, what kind of religion requires a rape victim to produce four male witnesses or get lashed?

I dont know, i think its Christianity that requires something as such!

dearpreye:
That won't be good at all.....because it will mean more attacks and bloodshed around the world.

I can see that Nigerians are nothing but bigots

Mcbussy:
The only problem I see with Islam is the way they take away people's ability to rationalize from a very young age. I mean, why would sum1 tell u to blow urself up and kill others just to fulfil 1 funny verse in a book that is self contradictory?...a book that says u mustn't kill and also says u can kill for jihad.

Islam is the only religion that prohibits suicide, hope my signature would explain something to u!

God is great.

Demmzy15:
This op is dull, no offense. Yazidis are not Muslims, so need to flex muscle. According to PEW RESEARCH, Islam is the fastest growing religion at rate of 73%. It stated that if this trends continue, Muslims population would be greater than that of Christians by the end of the century.

but you are not telling the whole truth are you, Islam is growing because Y'all keep popping babies out like assault rifles. it is not that you have more converts or anything......so be honest with yourself Cause I know about all these studies.

hod898:
Nearly 200,000 Muslims of the Yazidi tribe are fleeing Northern Iraq due to the current atrocities of ISIS. Many of these fugitives are turning to Christianity after seeing the stark contrast in behavior of the members of the two religions, true to the teachings of Jesus in Matthew 7:16-20 that they will know us by our fruit.

The refugees report finding their neighbors turning on them and persecuting them. They see fellow Islamists executing many Christians and Muslims and taking their wives and daughters as slaves or for sexual purposes. One recent convert states, “The kindness and generosity of Christians creates a gap between their faith and Muslims as great as that between earth and sky. While our fellow Muslims betrayed us, the Christians showed us real humanity and love.”

“While our fellow Muslims betrayed us, the Christians showed us real humanity and love.”

https://stream.org/muslims-converting-christianity-isis-atrocities/

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Demmzy15:
This op is dull, no offense. Yazidis are not Muslims, so need to flex muscle. According to PEW RESEARCH, Islam is the fastest growing religion at rate of 73%. It stated that if this trends continue, Muslims population would be greater than that of Christians by the end of the century.

Wait...Fastest growing by forcefully coaxing ppl to join its course or die? ?

I mean believing to have virgins when u kill urself for the cause of Islam. Cheii God....I wonder the juju they re using for this ppl. Like seriously ehn, Whoever started this scam I believe thought Apc n Pmb how to arrange scam.

Demmzy15:
No one is scared of leaving Islam, I dont know where u get this thrash from.



There's no need to be cry or be emotional about this. No matter how u lament Islam would continue to grow. I never denied Islam mortality rate, in fact its the highest .So if u want urs to increase make more babies and encourage ur friends and families.

Moreover, in terms of conversion Islam is still d highest, so u can wail more. Or are u willing to challenge dis fact?!



I dont know, i think its Christianity that requires something as such!

lol, typical muslim. Muslims denounce their religion everyday but people like you will say "they were not true muslims". jokers!

who's bringing emotions here? you start by being insulting (which really says more about you than about me) and then you turn around and say I'm being 'emotional'? Joker!!

If 'growth' is by procreation, then Dangote can breed more kids in order to grow his company? Joker!!!

You agree that Islam mainly "grows" by procreation...what's your point again?

And to your last statement...you just confirmed that muslims would rather deny the fact that stares them in the face. Pray tell, what are the procedures for reporting rape by a female in Islam? While you're at it, please also, explain the attached picture. Accidental rape indeed. Bunch of Jokers!!!

Demmzy15:
No one is scared of leaving Islam, I dont know where u get this thrash from.



There's no need to be cry or be emotional about this. No matter how u lament Islam would continue to grow. I never denied Islam mortality rate, in fact its the highest .So if u want urs to increase make more babies and encourage ur friends and families.

Moreover, in terms of conversion Islam is still d highest, so u can wail more. Or are u willing to challenge dis fact?!



I dont know, i think its Christianity that requires something as such!

Please tell me that these quotes are not from your manual and are not in practice today. You can also give me the classic defence of "quoting out of context"

The Qur'an:
Qur'an (2:282) - Establishes that a woman's testimony is worth only half that of a man's in court (there is no "he said/she said" gridlock in Islam).

Qur'an (24:4) - "And those who accuse free women then do not bring four witnesses (to adultery), flog them..." Strictly speaking, this verse addresses adultery (revealed at the very time that Muhammad's favorite wife was being accused of adultery on the basis of only three witnesses coincidentally enough). However it is a part of the theological underpinning of the Sharia rule on rape, since if there are not four male witnesses, the rape "did not occur".

Qur'an (24:13) - "Why did they not bring four witnesses of it? But as they have not brought witnesses they are liars before Allah."

Qur'an (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..." There is no such thing as rape in marriage, as a man is permitted unrestricted sexual access to his wives.

Demmzy15:
No one is scared of leaving Islam, I dont know where u get this thrash from.



There's no need to be cry or be emotional about this. No matter how u lament Islam would continue to grow. I never denied Islam mortality rate, in fact its the highest .So if u want urs to increase make more babies and encourage ur friends and families.

Moreover, in terms of conversion Islam is still d highest, so u can wail more. Or are u willing to challenge dis fact?!



I dont know, i think its Christianity that requires something as such!

The crime of Zina is not confirmed except if the fornicator admits it, or with the testimony of four trustworthy men, while the testimony of women is not accepted

Yup, free pass to lala-land. I mean, a rapist would usually have four witnesses to the act and go ahead to admit it in court. In the absence of four male witnesses, rape cannot be proven. The woman's testimony then becomes a "confession" of adultery. She can be stoned, even though the male is unpunished, since he never "confessed" to a sexual act

Some clerics blame rape on the woman. Australian Sheik Feiz recently said a rape victim "has no one to blame but herself. She displayed her beauty to the entire world... to tease man and appeal to his carnal nature."



One of the world's most respected Sunni scholars, Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, recently told an audience on his al-Jazeera television show that "To be absolved from guilt, the raped woman must have shown some sort of good conduct."

Rapist apologists

koolJ1:
The crime of Zina is not confirmed except if the fornicator admits it, or with the testimony of four trustworthy men, while the testimony of women is not accepted

Says who? @emboldened. This is why I said ur r dumb, u gallantly misinform and think u r making sense. Anyway, I'll burst ur lies one by one.

This is actually d first time am hearing the witnesses must be men only, where did u get that from?

And those who accuse
free women then do not
bring four witnesses, flog
them, (giving) eighty
stripes, and do not admit
any evidence from them
ever; and these it is that
are the transgressors.
Except those who repent
after this and act aright,
for surely Allah is
Forgiving, Merciful.”
—  Qur'an, Sura 24 (An-
Nur), ayat 4-5

Did this verse specify men alone?! I dont think so, when this witnesses are brought they must prove beyond doubts. Sheikh Al Uthaymeen(RH) commented on this:

[b]They should describe zina in
clear terms, such as saying: “I
saw his penis in her vagina”.[]
There is no alternative to that. If
they say: “We saw him on top of
her and they were naked”, that is
not acceptable. Even if they say
“We saw him doing with her
what a man does with his wife,”
that is not sufficient as
testimony. They must say “We
bear witness that his penis was
in her vagina.” And this is very
difficult, as the man said who
was testified against at the time
of ‘Umar: “If you were among
the (four) thighs you would never
be able to give this testimony.”
Hence Shaykh al-Islam Ibn
Taymiyah mentioned that at his
time no case of zina was proven
by means of testimony from the
time of the Prophet (peace and
blessings of Allaah be upon him)
until the time of Ibn Taymiyah. If
no case was proven from that
time until the other, then we do
not know of any case that was
proven by testimony up till our
own times, because it is very
difficult.[/b]

The Sheikh said no one has been able to witnesa actual penetration for the last 1400years, so stop lamenting over something which u have no knowledge about.

Yup, free pass to lala-land. I mean, a rapist would usually have four witnesses to the act and go ahead to admit it in court. In the absence of four male witnesses, rape cannot be proven. The woman's testimony then becomes a "confession" of adultery. She can be stoned, even though the male is unpunished, since he never "confessed" to a sexual act

Looks like u r missing rape and zina, u need to now the differences btw the two. We all know, humans can blackmail so a woman needs to prove that she was raped.

But one of the basic principles of both
sharee‘ah and man-made law, to which
attention must be paid, is that the accused
is innocent until proven guilty and the claim
of the claimant – whether man or woman –
cannot be accepted unless there is proof
that it is valid. Hence the Prophet
(blessings and peace of Allah be upon him)
said: “If people were given on the basis of
their claims, people would make claims on
the blood and property of others. Rather the
oath should be sworn by the defendant.”

If the field were open for every woman to
make claims of rape, the prisons would be
filled to bursting with the men accused by
those women, and they would not be able
to prove their innocence. The matter is not
so random that any woman’s claim may be
taken as being true and certain, otherwise a
woman could make a claim against her
former lover in order to take revenge on
him! Or she could make claims against rich
and famous people and blackmail them, or
against her father and brothers so as to
escape their guardianship and authority.
And these are things that would lead to the
collapse of society. I'm sure u didnt think of this before making baggage claims.

You can do yourself some favour by going through thia article https://islamqa.info/en/158282

Moreover, see how a rapist was punished during the time of the Prophet

Narrated Wa'il ibn Hujr:
[b]"When a woman went out in the time of the
Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) for prayer, a man
attacked her and overpowered (raped) her. She
shouted and he went off, and when a man came
by, she said: That (man) did such and such to
me. And when a company of the Emigrants came
by, she said: That man did such and such to me.
They went and seized the man whom they
thought had had intercourse with her and brought
him to her.

She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him
to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him).
When he (the Prophet) was about to pass
sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted
her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the
man who did it to her.

He (the Prophet) said to the woman: Go away, for
Allah has forgiven you. And about the man who
had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to
death .
He also said: He has repented to such an extent
that if the people of Medina had repented
similarly, it would have been accepted from
them.[/b] (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number
4366) "

Now what does the bible say about rapists?!

Rapist apologists

Arrant nonsense! I'll be reply remaining thrash later.

Demmzy15:
This op is dull, no offense. Yazidis are not Muslims, so need to flex muscle. According to PEW RESEARCH, Islam is the fastest growing religion at rate of 73%. It stated that if this trends continue, Muslims population would be greater than that of Christians by the end of the century.

that means the world will be in big trouble by then.....

fistonati:
Thank God am a Muslim and I like my Muslim life.

YA ALLAH, continue to lead me in ur paths

Ameen.

hod898:
Nearly 200,000 Muslims of the Yazidi tribe are fleeing Northern Iraq due to the current atrocities of ISIS. Many of these fugitives are turning to Christianity after seeing the stark contrast in behavior of the members of the two religions, true to the teachings of Jesus in Matthew 7:16-20 that they will know us by our fruit.

The refugees report finding their neighbors turning on them and persecuting them. They see fellow Islamists executing many Christians and Muslims and taking their wives and daughters as slaves or for sexual purposes. One recent convert states, “The kindness and generosity of Christians creates a gap between their faith and Muslims as great as that between earth and sky. While our fellow Muslims betrayed us, the Christians showed us real humanity and love.”

“While our fellow Muslims betrayed us, the Christians showed us real humanity and love.”

https://stream.org/muslims-converting-christianity-isis-atrocities/

YAZIDI ARE NOT MUSLIMS.

koolJ1:
Please tell me that these quotes are not from your manual and are not in practice today. You can also give me the classic defence of "quoting out of context"

Even if Ill use that defense, Ill explain my points categorically. You problem is that, you think Muslims are dull to the extent they cant defend their religion again.You visited a nonsense antiIslamic site and then think you are boss?! Oh common girl, you can do better than this. Now to your crappy garbage.

The Qur'an:
Qur'an (2:282) - Establishes that a woman's testimony is worth only half that of a man's in court (there is no "he said/she said" gridlock in Islam).

Here's the full verse:

[b]O you who have believed, when you contract a debt for a specified term, write it down. And let a scribe write [it] between you in justice. Let no scribe refuse to write as Allah has taught him. So let him write and let the one who has the obligation dictate. And let him fear Allah , his Lord, and not leave anything out of it. But if the one who has the obligation is of limited understanding or weak or unable to dictate himself, then let his guardian dictate in justice. And bring to witness two witnesses from among your men. And if there are not two men [available], then a man and two women from those whom you accept as witnesses - so that if one of the women errs, then the other can remind her. And let not the witnesses refuse when they are called upon. And do not be [too] weary to write it, whether it is small or large, for its [specified] term. That is more just in the sight of Allah and stronger as evidence and more likely to prevent doubt between you, except when it is an immediate transaction which you conduct among yourselves. For [then] there is no blame upon you if you do not write it. And take witnesses when you conclude a contract. Let no scribe be harmed or any witness. For if you do so, indeed, it is [grave] disobedience in you. And fear Allah . And Allah teaches you. And Allah is Knowing of all things.[/b] Quran 2:282

The underlined shows the reason for this, you actually think Islam downgrades women, but reverse is the case. You are yet to show how women were treated in the bible you know?

Qur'an (24:4) - "And those who accuse free women then do not bring four witnesses (to adultery), flog them..." Strictly speaking, this verse addresses adultery (revealed at the very time that Muhammad's favorite wife was being accused of adultery on the basis of only three witnesses coincidentally enough). However it is a part of the theological underpinning of the Sharia rule on rape, since if there are not four male witnesses, the rape "did not occur".

Take a look at how you misinform, here's the full verse:

And those who accuse chaste women and then do not produce four witnesses - lash them with eighty lashes and do not accept from them testimony ever after. And those are the defiantly the Fasiqun (liars, rebellious, disobedient to Allah) Quran 24:4

I explained this in my last post, hope you went through them. This witness must see the pe'nis entering the vagina, without this then their witness is to be discarded an they are to be punished. My last post explained this in clear terms.

Qur'an (24:13) - "Why did they not bring four witnesses of it? But as they have not brought witnesses they are liars before Allah."

Aunty please what's wrong with the verse, explain to us abeg!

Qur'an (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..." There is no such thing as rape in marriage, as a man is permitted unrestricted sexual access to his wives.

Na wa for you o, must everything be about rape. The reason why this verse was revealed was that, there was a rumor among the Jews that if you have sex with your wife through the back(not through the anus) then your child would be disfigured at birth. When the Muslims heard this, the approached the Prophet and Allah revealed the verse and dispelled that myth. Here's the verse:

Your wives are a tilth for you, so go to your tilth (have sexual relations with your wives in any manner as long as it is in the vagina and not in the anus), when or how you will, and send (good deeds, or ask Allah to bestow upon you pious offspring) before you for your ownselves. And fear Allah, and know that you are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give good tidings to the believers (O Muhammad SAW). Qur'an 2:223

I hope you can see it with very eyes, now you've not answered my question about how the Bible treated women. I'm waiting!!!!