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freecocoa:
The level of confusion in religion(especially Christianity) is enough to tell one, it's all a huge joke.

Righted, Seconded... in fact, your head dey there.

Didn't know you're one of those who've been able to see through the facade!!!

ebeneade:
I don't know why believers are so conscious of hell, the only reason why you won't make to heaven is if you don't believe in Jesus as the son of God who died for every sin both past, present nd future sin nd that God raised him up from the dead.so I can't make to hell as long as I don't apostate. So, the purpose of a believer isn't to make it to heaven but to bring heaven on earth through our righteousness, heaven sure die for everyone who believes in the name of Jesus, let me even ask you, so every sin u commit in the future has no forgiveness because the blood of Jesus is not potent enough to wipe it clean hon?

Baby Christians, no wonder.

You are the type that are so concerned on the date of repentance than on the fruit of repentance. Jesus died for the sin of the whole world.

try add me on whatsapp let's open the word of God page by page and allow it to speak for itself.

Jamesdman:
Righted, Seconded... in fact, your head dey there.

Didn't know you're one of those who've been able to see through the facade!!!

Negative sir. they is no confusion. we are just saying the same thing in different reference point. in physics they is something called relativity. it means you can be in your own frame of reference and calculate something and get a different value from what I have yet we are both correct.

mrphysics:
Negative sir. they is no confusion. we are just saying the same thing in different reference point. in physics they is something called relativity. it means you can be in your own frame of reference and calculate something and get a different value from what I have yet we are both correct.

"A boy who has never left his father's farm will always think theirs is the largest." - Vladimir Putin, 2013.

Reply when the facade is off, Thanks!!!

divads wrote:
Romans 3:25, Whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are PAST, through the forbearance of God; OP I din't see present or future sins sha, or what version are you using ni?

mrphysics:
I presented him with same verse of the Scripture, perhaps he has not come across it and he has never responded to it .

Now i am getting really scared for this set of generation who have allowed the spirit of timidity engulf them.

So lets assume there is no scripture to quote this please what exactly are you two implying?

That the death of christ on the cros does not cover future sins? is this a joke or what?

Did you ever take time out to comprehend what you read? Did i not make it clear in my points 1 and 2?

I think something is fundamentally wrong with the crop of "My pastor said" believers we have these days.

Now go and meditate over this and ask the Holy spirit to open your minds to the truth of his word.
[size=20pt]"But He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God" (Hebrews 10:12).[/size]

Toks2008:
divads wrote:
Romans 3:25, Whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are PAST, through the forbearance of God; OP I din't see present or future sins sha, or what version are you using ni?




Now i am getting really scared for this set of generation who have allowed the spirit of timidity engulf them.

So lets assume there is no scripture to quote this please what exactly are you two implying?

That the death of christ on the cros does not cover future sins? is this a joke or what?

Did you ever take time out to comprehend what you read? Did i not make it clear in my points 1 and 2?

I think something is fundamentally wrong with the crop of "My pastor said" believers we have these days.

Now go and meditate over this and ask the Holy spirit to open your minds to the truth of his word.
[size=20pt]"But He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God" (Hebrews 10:12).[/size]

Toks2008 u can't convince a mind bout these things because they are spiritualy discerned, anyone who wants to be ignorant should remain ignorant but twont stop u from preaching the gospel until the glory of the knowledge of God covers the earth like the water covers the sea, the old covenant has eaten deep into our consciousness such that we don't believe nd can't receive things that are freely given to us by God, am so proud of u brother, rule nd reign in life boss.

inplay:
sir would you be kind enough as to explain this scripture? I quote "it is appointed unto man once to die and after this is judgement"

thank you.

Well, billions of people have died since the world began. They all wait in "Sheol". The word "Sheol" (Hebrew) was thought synonymous with Greek "Hades". Perhaps the ambiguity of Greek "Hades" in Greek mythology (if you have read some, you will see my point) probably made the translators from Hebrew to Greek to mostly retain the original Hebrew "sheol" in the Greek Bible. But still, Hades is still mentioned 11 times in the Bible. In the New Testament. Once used to mean grave and 10 times to mean hell.

Remember that the Hebrew Bible was first translated into Greek in 200 BC. In Africa by the way. Alexandria to be precise. A foremost place of scholarship/university back then.

Sheol is mentioned in the Bible 65 times. It is used to mean hell exactly 31 times, grave 31 times and pit/abyss 3 times.

Now that Bible writers/translators use sheol to mean grave and hell equal number of times, how do you know for sure that some people are in hell now?

Well, some claim that "Gehenna" explains it better. Remember Gehenna, that valley outside Jerusalem where some Jews sacrificed their children to idols? See Lev. 18:12, 1Kings.11:5. It became a refuse dump that was always on fire to burn the waste produced by people of Jerusalem. This symbolically represents the initial place of torment before judgement. For those whose souls are already lost. The Lake of Fire will be final place.

Having discussed this matter with experts in eschatology, I find it hard to believe that there is currently hell fire for dead sinners.
After judgement, then yes.

You can't fool God. Your write-up is misleading. Jesus didn't die for you to keep on committing sin. There is nothing like automatic forgiveness for sins of TOMORROW. Once you vow to God to forgive you of your past sins, keep that vow, Go and sin no more says Jesus. There is no automatic fogieness for sins of tomorrow.

Mr Tok, i was laughing when i was reading your article, not because you weren't preaching the truth, but because many Christian reading it will not understand it at all cos all they were taught by their head is salvation by works. That is why some pastors will condemn caving of the bears, bangles, wrist watch, jean trousers and banning of television. If truly they have holy spirit they won't be mindful of sin but rather focus on Jesus and what he did on the cross for us. It seems the law of moses has eaten deep into many churches and they find it very hard to accept the free gift given to them by God through faith in Christ. I believe the life i live today isn't mine, since i was crucified with christ and was raised with him, now it is the holy spirit that controls your action and guides you on what to do. If you have the holy spirit in you my dear you will be the one forcing yourself to sin, and that is what i called living above. But the sweetest part of this kinda life is that i contributed nothing to it, that is i didn't achieve it by my own strength or struggle. This is exactly what the OP was saying

[quote author=PRINCESSO2 post=39579480]38Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.Luke 6
Listen you need to speak the word of God whenever Satan tempts you
Psalm 199:11-Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.


John17:17-Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Christ is coming.and he comes for a pure church.
Ephesians 5-
25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Romans 8-
13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.


So,how do we resist temptation-
James 4-7Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you.
Ephesians 6:17-

And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Hebrews 4:

12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are Unclad and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do

What did Jesus do when he went into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
He spoke the word of God.
Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
The Word of God can help us stop sinning.

Romans 6:23-23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
1 Corinthians 10: 13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
I too struggled with sexual immorality until one day the temptation came and I think I said (I must have received help from the Lord)- THE SEXUALLY IMMORAL SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD
The temptation eased up. And i thought the word of God can help the homosexuals or other sinners too.They can say when tempted



1 Corinthians 6-9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God when temptation comes,you need the word of God.

For pride-James 4:6But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
Also-
Matthew 23:12-
And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

For fear-2 Timothy 1- 7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

For Sexual immorality -18Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

And for those who feel guilty -
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.[/quote

I really admire all this u back it up with bible verse thank u very much may GOD help us

Toks2008:
What you are about to read will change your life forever.

After reading this, you will be filled with indescribable peace that surpasses all human understanding because you will know for sure that you no longer have business with hell but guaranteed a place in paradise.

Some may call it heresy but that is exactly what the devil wants you to believe it is whereas it is the greatest truth GOD wants the world to know and the devil never ever wants the world to know. This is why 99% of pastors will never preach it but would rather preach the need to live a sinless life and in-fact will give us a picture of perfection in acts and thoughts as the only criteria to making heaven.

Read on:

1. Do you know that in the past before Jesus came to pay the permanent price,the Israelis which were a symbolic representation of GOD's people were commanded by GOD to make animal sacrifice for atonement of their sins?

This means whenever they fall into sins or commit sinful acts,once they sacrifice the animal, all these sins are automatically wiped off by GOD.Yes there is a sacrifice for the atonement of all sins and that's done on the Day of Atonement by the High Priest. Interestingly enough, it is a goat and not a lamb that takes the sin of all Israel out of the borders of Israel.(Leviticus 16)

2.The crucifixion of Christ on the wooden cross is a one time symbolic representation of the Animal sin offering on the wooden platform of old meaning it has taken away the sins of yesterday,today and tomorrow once and for all:

Unlike the repeated sacrifices made in the past for the cleansing of sins each year or anytime they sin,the death and resurrection of Christ has cleansed us from the sins of the past,present and that of the future.

Because the blood of bulls and rams can not take away the sins of the world.GOD sent a human lamb to take away the sins of the world.This means as long as you have accepted Christ as lord and Saviour,if you fall into sin,all you ned is to go on your kneels and ask for forgiveness Which can be likened to making animal offering to atone for any sin you commit.(Hebrews 10:4)

3. No matter how hard you try, As human beings, it is impossible to be sinless and GOD knows this.

My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.(1 John 2:1)


4.Many people in hell fire today have no business been there but because they gave up their salvation making conclusions that they are no good for GOD's kingdom.

Giving your life to Christ and living a righteous life sometimes do not come automatically.It takes the work of the Holy spirit to perfect your salvation whereas accepting Jesus as lord as Saviour is a decision.

When i was young i usually get mocked when i do somethings that are not expected of a "Born again" Christian and i would have easily given up way back. This is the case of many people burning in hell today..they voluntarily gave up their salvation because they found themselves doing those things they use to do before they accepted Christ but if only they knew that all they need to do is to fight on and ask the holy spirit to perfect their salvation,they would have been made a better believer by the help of the holy spirit.

The bible says its not by power or by might but by my spirit says the lord.(Zechariah 4:6)


5. Most of the Bible heroes were not righteous by human standard.

The Bible does not attempt to conceal the foibles of the great people that adorn its pages. Abraham, Isaac, Moses, David, etc., were normal human beings. They sinned like all other offspring of Adam who have matured to a level of personal accountability (Romans 3:10, 23). Jesus Christ was the only exception (Hebrews 4:15; 1 Peter 2:22).

6. Anytime you sin,simply go on your kneels and ask GOD to forgive you in the name of JESUS(A symbol of animal sacrifice Israelis make each time they sin against GOD and you will be automatically forgiven)

This is so interesting yet very mysterious for many people to comprehend that the grace of Christ covers any sin we commit and we can always ask for forgiveness whenever we sin and the sins will be forgiven.

"Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God" (Romans 5)

7.GOD never condemns you except you condemn yourself.

Stop condemning yourself friend, 99.9% of believers will battle with one sinful habit or the other till they die.Its about trusting Jesus to forgive them each time they fall into this sinful act but the first step is to accept him as your lord and savior then ask the holy spirit to help you overcome these sinful habits and try your best to allow him.

8.A true believer does not enjoy sinful acts neither plans for it or looks forward to sinning.

Paul asks "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?Absolutely not ! How can we who died to sin still live in it?Or are you unaware that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?Therefore we were buried with Him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, so we too may walk in a new way of life.(Romans 6:1-4)

He also said “if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins”(Hebrews 10:26)


CONCLUSION: The grace of GOD is not for us to enjoy sinning and continuously ask for forgiveness but its for us to live above the power of sins in our lives.

But if everyone alive today gives their lives to Jesus and hold on to their salvation no matter how hard they struggle with sins. Heaven will be a home for all.

Hope this helps

sorry dude nobody is in Hellfire right now. but all are asleep till when the trumpet sounds
read


www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/30/t/hellfire-a-twisted-truth-untangled

[quote author=fabre4 post=39576369]2 sanctification : This is the removal of adamic nature I.e the nature of sin or purification of the heart . Human default setting was to be in sin but it took the death of Christ to redeem us. After one is saved it doesn't stop the devil from coming after him in fact is then he experiences even worst temptation so what he has to do is to go back to God asking him to remove the urge to commit sin mind you have to pray earnestly and let God know how serious you are to remove the nature of sin from you and also you need to read the word of God more and more and remember you must do this with faith. This is one of the most important step cause it could make or break your salvation when you are sanctified you no longer have the urge to sin and you begin to exhibit the fruit of the spirit read gal 5:23. after that we come to the third one






Baptism in the holy ghost : This is very important cause it is very hard to be successful as a Christian without the holy ghost he is a teacher a guide a comforter and remember he is the third personality in God so he can't stay in a dirty place that's why you need to be sanctified and an initial evidence of the holy ghost is speaking in tongues . sorry had to make this short hope it helps.




Speaking in tongues is not babling in unknown language. that's Devils decit. read

www. amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/84/t/understanding-tongues

Toks2008:
divads wrote:
Romans 3:25, Whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are PAST, through the forbearance of God; OP I din't see present or future sins sha, or what version are you using ni?




Now i am getting really scared for this set of generation who have allowed the spirit of timidity engulf them.

So lets assume there is no scripture to quote this please what exactly are you two implying?

That the death of christ on the cros does not cover future sins? is this a joke or what?

Did you ever take time out to comprehend what you read? Did i not make it clear in my points 1 and 2?

I think something is fundamentally wrong with the crop of "My pastor said" believers we have these days.

Now go and meditate over this and ask the Holy spirit to open your minds to the truth of his word.
[size=20pt]"But He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God" (Hebrews 10:12).[/size]

I have repeatedly say that you lack fundamental basis of Christianity. " Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men....
Does it mean all are saved?? negative but all CAN be saved. the first lesson in theology is that no part of the Scripture that contradicts itself.


The implication of the Hebrew 10:12 is that till eternity He has paid the price of sin for all generations unborn. At the point of salvation all your sins are forgiven. Because we after salvation has no nature of sin in us the Bible does not assume you to sin any longer. that was what John was saying in first john. but if at any point in your Christian race, you fell into sin, John told us that they is the blood of Jesus which we should quickly use.

by the implication of your statement in Hebrew, each time you say to someone "repent" then you have contradicted yourself, why? because Christ forgives all. so they is therefore no need for salvation because Christ forgave us all.

finally for now, just like I told someone, you were trying to make a right point wrongly.

I again invite you to whatsap bible study. 070.6377...4377. thanks

ebeneade:
Toks2008 u can't convince a mind bout these things because they are spiritualy discerned, anyone who wants to be ignorant should remain ignorant but twont stop u from preaching the gospel until the glory of the knowledge of God covers the earth like the water covers the sea, the old covenant has eaten deep into our consciousness such that we don't believe nd can't receive things that are freely given to us by God, am so proud of u brother, rule nd reign in life boss.

you obviously have nothing to say.

the op saw the verse, He has no objection towards it. All he needed what a reconciliation of it with Heb:10:12.

Oga, get deep into the Bible, you are at the elementary level. I like the fact the op didn't object it, it was crystal clear.

you still don't understand what the law really is and what grace actually do. let me give you one.

" Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men…, that is grace, what does it do. first observe it is the Grace that comes FROM GOD. secondly, observe that IT BRINGS SOMETHING, what is that SALVATION. so any grace that does not come from God, or that does not bring something into your life and/or result to SALVATION isn't grace. that verse continued, do don't quote it independently.

" Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;.....",

observe carefully again that this grace which comes from God, which BRINGS something, TEACHES.

so we have a teaching GRACE. Read for yourself what the grace teach us. take note of " in this present world ".

they are a lot to say. join me on whatsapp

mrphysics:
you obviously have nothing to say.

the op saw the verse, He has no objection towards it. All he needed what a reconciliation of it with Heb:10:12.

Oga, get deep into the Bible, you are at the elementary level. I like the fact the op didn't object it, it was crystal clear.

you still don't understand what the law really is and what grace actually do. let me give you one.

" Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men…, that is grace, what does it do. first observe it is the Grace that comes FROM GOD. secondly, observe that IT BRINGS SOMETHING, what is that SALVATION. so any grace that does not come from God, or that does not bring something into your life and/or result to SALVATION isn't grace. that verse continued, do don't quote it independently.

" Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;.....",

observe carefully again that this grace which comes from God, which BRINGS something, TEACHES.

so we have a teaching GRACE. Read for yourself what the grace teach us. take note of " in this present world ".

they are a lot to say. join me on whatsapp

Mr Physics please before you bore us with your human philosophy can you answer these 2 questions with a straight yes or no

1.From the day you accepted Jesus as lord and saviour till this moment,have you ever sinned?

2.From this minute till you leave this world will you likely fall into sin?

Toks2008:

Thanks bro.The Embolden simplifies the paramount purpose for this write up and i pray that as many people as were in your shoes would come back to Christ and not end up in hell as a result of self denial and not Christ denial.

Amen!

Highcuerayte:
That is why i said Nigerians understanding of the world salvation is wrong.

Salvation simply put is getting you recreated to do more good than wrong. As you walk with Christ in Faith you begin to see the possibility of doing good always. Salvation is all about moral perfection.

Long time biggest boss

ebeneade:
Believing in Jesus who died for ur sins makes u righteous, it is not bout what u do or what u don't do but it is all about what Jesus did on the cross, a believer is 100% righteous, it all depends on the percentage of ur consciousness of this fact

KEEP LYING TO YOURSELF. EVEN JESUS SAYS WE SHOULD WORK OUT OUR SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING . FAITH WITHOUT WORK IS DEAD BROTHER. HE SAYS WE SHOULD STRIVE TO BE PERFECT. BE YOU HOLY FOR YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN IS HOLY. I KNOW YOU BELONG TO THE NEW GENERATION CHURCHES AND I DOT BLAME YOU. THE NARROW WAY IS NOT AS EASY AS YOU THINK. THATS WHY ITS A RUGGED CROSS. YOU THINK ITS AN EASY THINK WHEN HE SAYS YOU SHOULD CARRY YOUR CROSS AND FOLLOW HIM? MAY GOD HELP YOU.

estelle6763:
I totally undersand this! It is very true and necessary. All the comments here are just saying stuff that are irrelevant because they have made it seem like you are encouraging sin when they do not understand. They are saying it like once you are born again, you will never sin. How possible.. Sike! Yes as a born again, sin has no power over you, but you are in this world filled with sin, that is why we have Jesus to help us overcome, and also lift us when we fall. I also gave my life to Christ when I was much younger, I dont remember the age and when but I know I did, and then whenever I sinned and I remembered every time, I would say God forgive me , God forgive me, me and my friends then thought it was a great idea, which is not how salvation works. I was saved but I was brought up with the common Nigerian teachings of RELIGION. SALVATION BY WORKS, which is 100% OPPOSITE. I would repeatedly go for the alter call, just like you said and many others especially IN NIGERIA(yes because of the RELIGIOUS mentality) have done. Not until I was about 14 or so, then I started to truly understand that, once I am saved, I am saved, and cannot lose my salvation, even though I sin when I dont want to, it's inevitable, and even sometimes consciously, the only thing I have to do is ask for forgiveness through Christ, continue to repent and it is finished. MANY CHRISTIANS do not know this, they think they lose their salvation when they fall, go back again for alter call, or lose hope and then finally faith. Infact to be honest, that mentality still tries to affect me when I fall but I know that it's the devil so I rebuke Him and also ask God to forgive me for underestimating the power of the blood of JESUS. I pray that others who read this that you have shared understand it and that it gives them a revelation.

Hey Estelle6763 I couldn’t find your email. Pls kindly send me an email to this address murimoney100@icloud.com

Nice thread