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Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by blackpanda: 11:24am On Dec 28, 2015
Bevista:
That explanation is plain ridiculous. How can the CBN blame the banks, when they (CBN) are the ones that stopped banks from receiving dollar cash lodgements into domicilary accounts. Where did they expect banks to get FX to meet their international payment obligations, especially with the meagre Dollar sells to BDCs.
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For the records, I fully understand the constraint the CBN is facing from low FX inflow into the Foreign Reserves due to low oil prices, however, the restrictions imposed by the Central Bank are extreme. With a daily limit ranging from $100 to $1000, How do I make a payment of $1500 for my professional exams? Or am I not supposed to write such exams again because the government is on a fvcking mission?
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I believe the current CBN Governor is a weak link in this administration, as he may not providing the president with the right monetary policy options/advice. While there are obvious benefits from the CBN policy, I strongly believe that the NET result of the policy on the economy will be negative.

You sort of answered your own question. How do you pay something for some you have no money for. If you pay with your atm, where will your bank get the foreign exchange to do the transaction

I agree it is a painfull situation we find ourselves. But this is the reality we have to deal with till we become a real exporting country. And no cbn wasnt blaming anybody, rather just stating the facts

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Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by Demdem2: 11:33am On Dec 28, 2015
Keneking:


grin grin grin grin grin grin

Seriously, foreign exchange should be made available for legitimate purposes. I mean it should be available on short notice. This current plight is unacceptable. Parties (CBN, banks and other financial institutions) must work to bring relief to genuine users of foreign exchange.

In an idea situation, this is what applys but our current pathetic situation simply can't accommodate this. Our reserves are depleted and prospects for huge foreign exchange in the neatest future simply isn't there. We misuse our days of plenty, we all need to be patient. Even the government of the day knows it's not a normal situation. It's for the time being.



You would agree that the success of any government is its ability to show concern when there is outcry from its populace.

Actually, the cry on this issue isn't from the populace but for from the minute few. What is the percentage of Nigerians that needs foreign exchange?



Meanwhile is Osinbajo sef undecided Someone needs to talk....I don't rely on this CBN governor shocked

He is on holiday. Should be back by next week.


In addition, can we have a schedule of banks that have placed this embargo?

Biko, leave that. It's also in the interest of CBN that the banks takes these steps.


Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by Bevista: 11:37am On Dec 28, 2015
blackpanda:
You sort of answered your own question. How do you pay something for some you have no money for. If you pay with your atm, where will your bank get the foreign exchange to do the transaction

I agree it is a painfull situation we find ourselves. But this is the reality we have to deal with till we become a real exporting country. And no cbn wasnt blaming anybody, rather just stating the facts
The CBN should allow demand and supply to determine a fair price for the dollar. A price where supply can clear all demand; they do not need to deplete the Foreign Reserves to defend the naira.

The problem is that if they allow the exchange rate to adjust downwards, there will be serious backlash on the new administration. So they are allowing political considerations to influence their monetary policy actions.

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Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by Nobody: 11:38am On Dec 28, 2015
[quote author=Demdem2 post=41416164][/quote]

So what does the legitimate "minute few" do? Terminate their business, academics, relationship undecided

I think we need to tackle the root source of huge demand of forex. IMO petroleum marketers should look elsewhere for forex and forget local banks.
Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by dustydee: 11:42am On Dec 28, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:
This will be tough for diasporans
Tough? I am kindof happy because I get more in naira when I send money home. grin
It will be tough for students though.
Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by sholatech(m): 11:42am On Dec 28, 2015
PassingShot:

@ the emboldened, I hope you don't really mean it; especially the first part that says it an't be dipped into.

Chai, there is God oooo.

Yes, junior student in international trade finance even knows this. IT CANNOT be 'dipped into'. It's not physical cash, it's not money kept in an account. It's not a cheque. Foreign Reserves are not vaults
Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by erico2k2(m): 11:43am On Dec 28, 2015
Abatsam111:


Source: https://www.today.ng/business/57950/cbn-insists-it-wont-reverse-restriction-on-naira-atm-card-abroad?utm_source=&utm_medium=twitter
How can CBN dream of reversing the actions of the banks.the Banks are simply protecting themselves. Did the CBN not know this will happened.where they not warned? ?
Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by erico2k2(m): 11:44am On Dec 28, 2015
dustydee:

Tough? I am kindof happy because I get more in naira when I send money home. grin
It will be tough for students though.
Well true but the Naira yoy send home will soon mean nothing if this trend do not stop.
Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by erico2k2(m): 11:45am On Dec 28, 2015
Bevista:
The CBN should allow demand and supply to determine a fair price for the dollar. A price where supply can clear all demand; they do not need to deplete the Foreign Reserves to defend the naira. That is Economics 101.

The problem is that if they allow the exchange rate to adjust downwards, there will be serious backlash on the new administration. So they are allowing political considerations to influence their monetary policy actions.
Great stuff this was where I was driving to on the other news.They are playing politics with the lives of Nigerians.
Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by Demdem2: 11:48am On Dec 28, 2015
Keneking:


So what does the legitimate "minute few" do? Terminate their business, academics, relationship undecided

Follow due process. It's far more stringent now I agree but it's not impossible. Why should this be difficult for the minute few which includes me to do?


I think we need to tackle the root source of huge demand of forex.

The natural way is to have exports of our own. Savings from the days of plenty would have been used to acheive alternative source of foreign exchange but our leaders squandered such. This is the reasoning of current govt which intends spending heavily next year to stimulate other sectors of the Nigerian economy.


IMO petroleum marketers should look elsewhere for forex and forget local banks.

As we proceed, these marketers will be off from business starting from next year. A lot is ongoing. Current restrictions are temporary and Nigerians should endure.



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Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by pendusky(m): 11:49am On Dec 28, 2015
Bevista:
That explanation is plain ridiculous. How can the CBN blame the banks, when they (CBN) are the ones that stopped banks from receiving dollar cash lodgements into domicilary accounts. Where did they expect banks to get FX to meet their international payment obligations, especially with the meagre Dollar sells to BDCs.
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For the records, I fully understand the constraint the CBN is facing from low FX inflow into the Foreign Reserves due to low oil prices, however, the restrictions imposed by the Central Bank are extreme. With a daily limit ranging from $100 to $1000, How do I make a payment of $1500 for my professional exams? Or am I not supposed to write such exams again because the government is on a fvcking mission?
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I believe the current CBN Governor is a weak link in this administration, as he may not providing the president with the right monetary policy options/advice. While there are obvious benefits from the CBN policy, I strongly believe that the NET result of the policy on the economy will be negative.

from ur comment above, its quite obvious that ur a banker grin
Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by Nobody: 11:50am On Dec 28, 2015
[quote author=Demdem2 post=41416659][/quote]

Are you in town? Make we hang out somewhere... grin
Amazing responses wink
Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by PassingShot(m): 11:54am On Dec 28, 2015
sholatech:


Yes, junior student in international trade finance even knows this. IT CANNOT be 'dipped into'. It's not physical cash, it's not money kept in an account. It's not a cheque. Foreign Reserves are not vaults
Your problem is the understanding of "dipping hands into". You must think that FR cannot be corruptly be depleted by "dipping hands into" since it's not physical cash.
Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by Demdem2: 11:54am On Dec 28, 2015
Bevista:
The CBN should allow demand and supply to determine a fair price for the dollar. A price where supply can clear all demand; they do not need to deplete the Foreign Reserves to defend the naira. That is Economics 101.

The problem is that if they allow the exchange rate to adjust downwards,
there will be serious backlash on the new administration. So they are allowing political considerations to influence their monetary policy actions.

Am sure u are not ignorant of the rippling effect this will have on the General populace especially the vulnerable who happened to be in the majority. How this will affect their current purchasing power without adequate increase to their income. This " political consideration " is in the best interest of the people and not those in power itself.

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Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by Nobody: 11:55am On Dec 28, 2015
erico2k2:


Great stuff this was where I was driving to on the other news.They are playing politics with the lives of Nigerians.

What animal is demand and supply? In Nigeria, this eco 101/201 principle does not apply. Imagine, one needs to conduct a forex transaction urgently and the other is ready to sell at N300/$1. In this instance, one has no choice but to buy at that rate. So consider multiple demands and its broad implications....
Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by macklef(m): 11:56am On Dec 28, 2015
Dee60:

You want to put Naira in your account in Nigeria and withdraw dollars freely abroad! Where would Nigeria have all the dollars to fund that. with the oil price fallen to by more than 60?

Does it occur to anyone that allowining free withdrawal (dollar against naira) will result in huge dollar debt for Nigeria over time?

Is there not an avenue for students to have their fees transferred officially instead of via ATMs?

The protesters need to push their argument clearly. Otherwise, it is simple commonsense that you cannot dollarise your economy, unless you want to pile up debt for future generations. Common sense.

If we had saved forex when oil was USD100 plus, it would have helped a bit. But with dwindling reserve CBN has to look for ways to curb DOLLAR consumption. We just cannot continue to CONSUME what we dont produce and expect FG or CBN to do magic.

Please think before you talk. Read before you comment. Common sense says so..

[b]BROS I AM TIRED OF NIGERIANS BOTH THE STUPID ONES HERE WHO HAVE
COMPREHENSION PROBLEMS AND THE SELFISH ONES IN THE DIASPORA WHO IS ONLY THINKING ABOUT SCHOOL FEES AND BUSINESS DEALS AS AGAINST US WHO ARE THE ONES BEARING ALL HIKED COST IN NIGER.

THE CBN HAS SAID THERE POLICY IS STRICT AND THEEY ARE AWARE IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR NIGERIANS BUT SHOULD THEY IN ORDER TO PLEASE SOME OF YOU WATCH THE DOLARISING OF THE ECONOMY WHERE 1USD WILL BE EQUAL TO 1000NAIRA DUE TO OUR INABILITY TO BUILD FOREIGN RESRVES FROM DWINDLING OIL PRICES WHICH OF COURSE IS OUR MAJOR SOURCE OF FOREIGN REVENUE?

OR HOW DO YOU WANT DEPOSIT BANKS TO MEET WITHDRAWALS ON THEM WHEN THEY DONT HAVE ACESS TO FOREIGN EXCHANGE? IMAGIN 10 STUDENTS IN THE DIASPORA PAYING 2000USD WHICH OF COURSE IS 20,000USD AND THIS BANKS ONLY HAVE 12,000USD IN THEIR VAULT HOW DO THEY MEET THE DEFICIT? OWING INTERNATIONAL BANKS JUST LIKE THAT. EVEN IF THE BANKS DONT STOP IT, THOS INTERNATIONAL BANKS MAY BE FORCED TO PLACE PARTIAL EMBARGO ON NIGERIANS DRAWING FROM THEM OVERTIME.

THIS IS EXACTLY HOW ONE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CBN IS FIGHTING AGAINST. OUR RESERVES ARE LOW, OUR FUTURE EARNINGS ON FOREIGN CURRENCY LOOKS WEEK. IF THEY GIVE OUT DOLLAR REMAINING TO EVERY SINGLE PERSON NEEDING IT AS SCARCE AS IT IS WE WOULD BE ON A FALLING SPREE, AND IMAGIN WHEN THEY CANT MEET PURCHASE OF THE IMPORTATION OF PETROLEUM PRODUCTS, IT WOULD BECOME SCARCE AND WE THE ONES PAYING TRANSPORT EVERYEHER WOULD BE LOSING MORE MONEY WITH FIXED SALARY.


INCASE SOME OF YOU ARE HAVING COMPREHENSION PROBLEMS, THATS WHY IM TAKING TIME TO EXPLAIN THE RIPPLE EFFECT OF THIS DOLLAR THING, ITS NOT ABOUT APC OR PDP
ITS ABOUT USELESS GOVERNANCE FROM THOSE WHO SHOULD HAVE MADE MEANINGFUL IMPACT WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE INSTEAD OF DELAYING IT TO GAIN RE ELECTION BIDS.
LET THIS NEW PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY CAN.
CRITISIZE THEM BUT DONT DO IT STUPIDLY ABEG. [/b]

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Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by Demdem2: 11:58am On Dec 28, 2015
Keneking:


Are you in town? Make we hang out somewhere... grin
Amazing responses wink

I appreciate u too but am sorry, my anonymous state on nairaland is very important.

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Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by Bevista: 11:59am On Dec 28, 2015
pendusky:
From ur comment above, its quite obvious that ur a banker grin
Well, it turns out I'm not.
Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by sholatech(m): 11:59am On Dec 28, 2015
PassingShot:

Your problem is the understanding of "dipping hands into". You must think that FR cannot be corruptly be depleted by "dipping hands into" since it's not physical cash.

Interesting. Pls publicly help to solve my 'understanding' problem. Nairaland is for many people to learn. Kindly explain how Foreign Reserves can be 'dipped' into? Maybe example how you knew Past administration 'dipped' into the reserves will help as mentioned by you?
Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by Nobody: 11:59am On Dec 28, 2015
Demdem2:


I appreciate u too but am sorry, my anonymous state on nairaland is very important.

I understand this anonymity and respect man wink

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Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by 1freshdude: 12:01pm On Dec 28, 2015
Bevista:
The CBN should allow demand and supply to determine a fair price for the dollar. A price where supply can clear all demand; they do not need to deplete the Foreign Reserves to defend the naira. That is Economics 101.

The problem is that if they allow the exchange rate to adjust downwards, there will be serious backlash on the new administration. So they are allowing political considerations to influence their monetary policy actions.

You are a Voodoo Economist! No too vex. No person in their right senses, who has a basic knowledge of economics would advise for the Naira to be allowed to float in this present state of our economy. If you argue for devaluing of the Naira against the dollar then your argument is tenable. What are you guys talking about sef? Everybody on Nairaland claiming egghead yet they cant even make a difference in their daily life decisions.

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Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by enigma2007(m): 12:06pm On Dec 28, 2015

TeOwl:
Email your exam people and tell them to split the payment into two, you pay $750 one month and the other $750 the other month.... i forsee that this policy would last for at least six months, dont let the govt mess up your career!


Demdem2:


Good advise. Not all is strictly black and white we are trying to portray.

Exactly! CIMA for example allows you to split the fees into multiple parts.

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Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by Bevista: 12:10pm On Dec 28, 2015
Keneking:
What animal is demand and supply? In Nigeria, this eco 101/201 principle does not apply. Imagine, one needs to conduct a forex transaction urgently and the other is ready to sell at N300/$1. In this instance, one has no choice but to buy at that rate. So consider multiple demands and its broad implications....
So, In your opinion, the better option is to create scarcity and pretend that there is no demand?
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As painful as it may seem, if my business depends on FX transactions, I'd rather buy at that high rate than not get it at all. When importers exhaust their existing stock and cannot access dollars to import, there will be complete price dislocation in the system due to scarcity.
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The CBN can protect our Reserves (which I believe they should). But why not allow those that can buy dollars in the parallel market to make legitimate transfers and payments? That way, it's not Reserves that are used to settle those int'l payments.

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Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by drss(m): 12:15pm On Dec 28, 2015
d policy of dollar restriction only happens when a cattle rearer is d president.
Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by IVORY2009(m): 12:16pm On Dec 28, 2015
Demdem2:


I appreciate u too but am sorry, my anonymous state on nairaland is very important.

anonymous indeed grin cheesy only me know u grin
Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by Bevista: 12:16pm On Dec 28, 2015
1freshdude:
You are a Voodoo Economist! No too vex. No person in their right senses who has even a basic knowledge of economics would advise for the Naira to be allowed to float. What are you guys talking about sef? Everybody on Nairaland claiming egghead.
You lack decorum, but I'll respond to you for the sake of others reading.
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I did not talk about allowing the Naira to float freely, but finding a Fair exchange value. CBN has been adjusting the value of the Naira for ages depending on prevailing economic realities,so why the grandstanding now? When oil price started falling last year, did they not allow the Naira to depreciate from N155 - N197 in Nov 2014?
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Abacha tried to artificially hold the value of the Naira in the 90s, students of economic history know how that all turned out.

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Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by Demdem2: 12:18pm On Dec 28, 2015
IVORY2009:


anonymous indeed grin cheesy only me know u grin

Yiimmuuu
Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by Bevista: 12:24pm On Dec 28, 2015
Demdem2:
Am sure u are not ignorant of the rippling effect this will have on the General populace especially the vulnerable who happened to be in the majority. How this will affect their current purchasing power without adequate increase to their income. This " political consideration " is in the best interest of the people and not those in power itself.
The times we are in are precarious. Any action by the Central Bank will have negative effects. What I am concerned about is the NET effect of a particular policy action.
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I believe the CBN should do everything possible to preserve the Foreign Reserves for use for essential items like fuel imports. But why not allow those who can access dollars elsewhere (at whatever price) to be able to make transfers and payments easily?

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Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by morounkola(f): 12:26pm On Dec 28, 2015
[CBN did not stop banks from receiving dollar cash deposits. The banks started it when they had too much cash in the system. CBN later adopted it the same way it is supported the restriction on the use of Naira ATM Card outside the country. At that time, the Nigerian banks put together had dollar cash of hundreds of dollars sitting in their vaults
It is a tough job for anybody heading the CBN at this time. The indices are not "smiling". If the CBN runs the way you want, we might find ourselves in a similar situation as Greece. Unfortunately, EU won't be there to provide succor.
Concerning your exams, you can open a form A to pay your fees. Education gets top priority for CBN's funds.
Are you writing CFA exams exporter to transfer the ]That explanation is plain ridiculous. How can the CBN blame the banks, when they (CBN) are the ones that stopped banks from receiving dollar cash lodgements into domicilary accounts. Where did they expect banks to get FX to meet their international payment obligations, especially with the meagre Dollar sells to BDCs.
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For the records, I fully understand the constraint the CBN is facing from low FX inflow into the Foreign Reserves due to low oil prices, however, the restrictions imposed by the Central Bank are extreme. With a daily limit ranging from $100 to $1000, How do I make a payment of $1500 for my professional exams? Or am I not supposed to write such exams again because the government is on a fvcking mission?
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I believe the current CBN Governor is a weak link in this administration, as he may not providing the president with the right monetary policy options/advice. While there are obvious benefits from the CBN policy, I strongly believe that the NET result of the policy on the economy will be negative. [/quote]
Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by 1freshdude: 12:28pm On Dec 28, 2015
Bevista:
So, In your opinion, the better option is to create scarcity and pretend that there is no demand?
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As painful as it may seem, if my business depends on FX transactions, I'd rather buy at that high rate than not get it at all. When importers exhaust their existing stock and cannot access dollars to import, there will be complete price dislocation in the system due to scarcity.
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The CBN can protect our Reserves (which I believe they should). But why not allow those that can buy dollars in the parallel market to make legitimate transfers and payments. That way, it's not Reserves that are used to settle those int'l payments.

The work of the CBN is to defend the Naira, even at your expense! The country/economy is prioritized ahead of individuals. Policies always create winners and losers, Pareto efficiency exist only in academic literature's. A policy is adjured good or bad by the percent of people that will be made better off or worse off in the long run.
The desire for imported goods and services in Nigeria is alarming, in fact at this rate it is a threat to national security. We have to develop our industry and services sector at all cost. The past administration threw away the golden opportunity to kick off an industrial revolution having sold a barrel of oil for over $100 for a long while. This administration has no choice but to buckle up for a very rough ride Though the turn out of things is not their making, but since government is a continuum (Oyibo) they have to find a way to weather this storm.
Pain is inevitable for growth and development ''maybe its our turn to develop'' in GEJ's word when asked about terrorism in Nigeria. cool

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Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by IVORY2009(m): 12:28pm On Dec 28, 2015
Demdem2:

Yiimmuuu
lolz grin
Re: CBN Insists It Won’t Reverse Restriction On Naira ATM Card Abroad by 1freshdude: 12:35pm On Dec 28, 2015
Bevista:
You lack decorum, but I'll respond to you for the sake of others reading.
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I did not talk about allowing the Naira to float freely, but finding a Fair exchange value. CBN has been adjusting the value of the Naira for ages depending on prevailing economic realities,so why the grandstanding now? When oil price started falling last year, did they not allow the Naira to depreciate from N155 - N197 in Nov 2014?
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Abacha tried to artificially hold the value of the Naira in the 90s, students of economic history know how that all turned out.

Bros sorry o, its not like am ill mannered, its just that I have no room for bullshit (despite living in a mansion)
its is like someone is impersonating your moniker, cause I was only replying to this post.

Bevista:
The CBN should allow demand and supply to determine a fair price for the dollar. A price where supply can clear all demand; they do not need to deplete the Foreign Reserves to defend the naira. That is Economics 101.


What is the difference between floating and allowing forces of demand and supply determine price? and at what price does demand equal supply?

Be nice and educate us please cool cool

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