To counter the common Nairaland misinformation concerning a wife’s submission to her own husband, we should carefully note the following in Ephesians 5:22–24:

1) A wife is to submit to one man (her husband), not to every man. That is, the rule of submission does not necessarily extend to a woman’s place in society at large.

2) A wife is to willingly submit to her husband in personal obedience to the Lord Jesus.

3) The example of a wife’s submission is that of the church to Christ.

4) There is nothing mentioned of the wife’s abilities, talents, or worth; the fact that she submits to her own husband does not imply that she has inferiority issues or less worthy in any way whatsoever.


When a husband loves his wife then submission is a natural response from a wife to her husband. But, regardless of the husband’s love or lack thereof, the wife is commanded to submit “as to the Lord” (verse 22).

This means that her obedience to God— her acceptance of His plan—will result in her submission to her husband. The “as to the Lord” comparison also reminds the wife that there is a higher authority to whom she is responsible.

Thus, she is under no obligation to disobey civil law or God’s law in the name of “submission” to her husband. She submits in things that are right and lawful and God- honoring. Of course, she does not “submit” to abuse—that is not right or lawful or God- honoring. To try to use the principle of “submission” to justify abuse is to twist Scripture and promote evil.


Ref:
http://www.gotquestions.org/wives-submit.html
Ephesians 5.

Wow, I was expecting the usual trampling down on women posts our women have been bombarded with on NL.
Ok OP. Well done.

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!

@Royal Roy: move to Religion section.

“She submits in things that are right and lawful and God- honoring“.

Shikena,i wonder why they make look as if submitting represents oppression

if the husband tell her to submit to other men outside nko

I think this is a good summary. God demands that a wife submit to her husband without any pre - conditions.

But I will add that women should marry men they can submit to. Some people will soon come out and ask - what if the man is irresponsible, useless or uneducated? My answer is - why should you marry a man you deem irresponsible , uneducated or useless? Why not wait for a man that has most of the qualities you want? As you lay your bed, na so you go lie on top am.

And submission does not mean you become a house help. It only means you honour, respect and protect him. It is ok to disagree with you husband and voice out your opinion. Nothing wrong with disagreeing with him. But please, don't go around bad - mouthing and gossiping about him. Don't insult or curse him to his face or behind him - that is not submission.

TooNoisy:
I think this is a good summary. God demands that a wife submit to her husband without any pre - conditions.

But I will add that women should marry men they can submit to. Some people will soon come out and ask - what if the man is irresponsible, useless or uneducated? My answer is - why should you marry a man you deem irresponsible , uneducated or useless? Why not wait for a man that has most of the qualities you want? As you lay your bed, na so you go lie on top am.

And submission does not mean you become a house help. It only means you honour, respect and protect him. It is ok to disagree with you husband and voice out your opinion. Nothing wrong with disagreeing with him. But please, don't go around bad - mouthing and gossiping about him. Don't insult or curse him to his face or behind him - that is not submission.

Excellent!

The part in bold is EPIC...

Sh0llypopz:
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!

@Royal Roy: move to Religion section.

As long as couples engage in CHURCH marriage, this thread is ideal and worthy to remain here.

Acidosis, I couldn't care less what the Bible says about marriage but what does being submissive mean to you? Let us make sure you know what you are looking for so we can find a wife for you in 2016 so that you will have your own marriage to attend to instead of having headaches in view of other people's marriages.

Mindfulness:
Acidosis, I couldn't care less what the Bible says about marriage but what does being submissive mean to you? Let us make sure you know what you are looking for so we can find a wife for you in 2016 so that you will have your own marriage to attend to instead of having headaches in view of other people's marriages.

I'll send you my specs soon

Acidosis:



I'll send you my specs soon

You should be able to explain it to me instantly.

Mindfulness:


You should be able to explain it to me instantly.

hmn

Someone I love that loves me too. Everything is possible in love, including submission

Acidosis:


hmn

Someone I love that loves me too. Everything is possible in love, including submission

If there is genuine love between you and a woman, submission will not even be an issue worth pondering. The relationship will flow and you will enjoy very much. I wish for you to find this love in 2016. it is possible.

Mindfulness:


If there is genuine love between you and a woman, submission will not even be an issue worth pondering. The relationship will flow and you will enjoy very much. I wish for you to find this love in 2016. it is possible.

Thanks for the prayers, I wish you a happy affair with your spouse in 2016 and beyond...

Sh0llypopz:
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!

@Royal Roy: move to Religion section.

this thread stays here. Kudos @Acidosis. This thread has a lot to do with Christian homes. Any woman that does not submit unto her husband, any woman that is not loyal to her husband cannot be a Christian.

If you know you would not be submissive as a wife to your husband as stated in the Bible, why go to Church for white wedding? why ask for the blessing of the priest? do trad wedding and end it there or betterstill have court wedding, leave Pastors/church out of your life.

bennyrazz:
this thread stays here. Kudos @Acidosis. This thread has a lot to do with Christian homes. Any woman that does not submit unto her husband, any woman that is not loyal to her husband cannot be a Christian.

If you know you would not be submissive as a wife to your husband as stated in the Bible, why go to Church for white wedding? why ask for the blessing of the priest? do trad wedding and end it there or betterstill have court wedding, leave Pastors/church out of your life.

So be it!

Mindfulness:


If there is genuine love between you and a woman, submission will not even be an issue worth pondering. The relationship will flow and you will enjoy very much. I wish for you to find this love in 2016. it is possible.

You have spoken well. Some people will even ask that the man must love them first before they submit. How can you marry someone that doesn't even love you? Or how can a man marry a woman he doesn't love? Half of these problems exist because people marry the wrong people and for the wrong reasons.

When you marry the right person and for the right reasons, we wouldn't need to argue if a woman should submit; she will submit easily.

bennyrazz:
Any woman that does not submit unto her husband, any woman that is not loyal to her husband cannot be a Christian.

If you know you would not be submissive as a wife to your husband as stated in the Bible, why go to Church for white wedding? why ask for the blessing of the priest? do trad wedding and end it there or betterstill have court wedding, leave Pastors/church out of your life.

Not just Christian marriages, even traditional marriages. For most traditional marriages, the man pays the dowry to the wife's family and you will notice the woman kneels (as a sign of respect and headship) to feed her husband.

TooNoisy:


You have spoken well. Some people will even ask that the man must love them first before they submit. How can you marry someone that doesn't even love you? Or how can a man marry a woman he doesn't love? Half of these problems exist because people marry the wrong people and for the wrong reasons.

Thanks.

What do you think are the right reasons?

When you marry the right person and for the right reasons, we wouldn't need to argue if a woman should submit; she will submit easily.

I don't even know what it means to submit and the creator of this thread refused to explain it to me. Do you know what it means?

TooNoisy:


You have spoken well. Some people will even ask that the man must love them first before they submit. How can you marry someone that doesn't even love you? Or how can a man marry a woman he doesn't love? Half of these problems exist because people marry the wrong people and for the wrong reasons.

When you marry the right person and for the right reasons, we wouldn't need to argue if a woman should submit; she will submit easily.




Not just Christian marriages, even traditional marriages. For most traditional marriages, the man pays the dowry to the wife's family and you will notice the woman kneels (as a sign of respect and headship)


to feed her husband.

kudos @bolded. Both women and men marry the people they marry out of selfish reasons. They marry who they marry due to long-throat and when there is nothing to long-throat for in the marriage, problem starts. I knew a couple few years back, when they got married, they had nothing. They survived on gifts people gave during the wedding, the man & woman were gladly drinking garri while both were looking for Jobs. Fast forward to today, they have kids now, husband & wife working and they are living comfortable. I use to tell some men that a woman that long throats during courtship, complains, feels irritated is an early sign of what to come.

bennyrazz:

kudos @bolded. Both women and men marry the people they marry out of selfish reasons. They marry who they marry due to long-throat and when there is nothing to long-throat for in the marriage, problem starts. I knew a couple few years back, when they got married, they had nothing. They survived on gifts people gave during the wedding, the man & woman were gladly drinking garri while both were looking for Jobs. Fast forward to today, they have kids now, husband & wife working and they are living comfortable. I use to tell some men that a woman that long throats during courtship, complains, feels irritated is an early sign of what to come.

This is the result of a culture that taught women that men have to provide for them.
What else do you want them to look for?

Mindfulness:


This is the result of a culture that taught women that men have to provide for them.
What else do you want them to look for?

There is nothing bad in a culture that ask men to provide for women. The main thing is, women of nowadays are very greedy, they want it all. My friend is wearing shoes of 45k, lace worth 120k, i must also get it. They compare themselves with other women regardless of their family background. A man Earns 45k plus allowances as a teacher in a government school. Level 7 or so. Now at the end of the month, husband collects salary, wife takes up to 30k just to buy clothes, make hair and all sorts of charade. Husband as to borrow to survive and do some chua chua here and there to survive through private tutorials. There is a big problem here, you as a man here, why did you have to marry a woman you can't maintain? The man as long-throat. Now if she doesn't get all these from him, she will look for a way to get it. As a woman, you know your husband can't afford to spend 30k on you monthly yet you coerce him through sexual intimidations to give that amount. You know if some women discover that their husband likes sex, that is the tool they use to get him. You are a wicked, selfish wife. So how wont marriage collapse, when both man & woman are the architects of their woes through selfishness & greediness? you see a woman that does pedicure & manicure for 15k, hair every 2 weeks at about 55k, you earn just 120k as a man and is that type of woman your joystick is always happy to see? you need deliverance and serious prayers.










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bennyrazz:
There is nothing bad in a culture that ask men to provide for women. The main thing is, women of nowadays are very greedy, they want it all. My friend is wearing shoes of 45k, lace worth 120k, i must also get it. They compare themselves with other women regardless of their family background. A man Earns 45k plus allowances as a teacher in a government school. Level 7 or so. Now at the end of the month, husband collects salary, wife takes up to 30k just to buy clothes, make hair and all sorts of charade. Husband as to borrow to survive and do some chua chua here and there to survive through private tutorials. There is a big problem here, you as a man here, why did you have to marry a woman you can't maintain? The man as long-throat. Now if she doesn't get all these from him, she will look for a way to get it. As a woman, you know your husband can't afford to spend 30k on you monthly yet you coerce him through sexual intimidations to give that amount. You know if some women discover that their husband likes sex, that is the tool they use to get him. You are a wicked, selfish wife. So how wont marriage collapse, when both man & woman are the architects of their woes through selfishness & greediness? you see a woman that does pedicure & manicure for 15k, hair every 2 weeks at about 55k, you earn just 120k as a man and is that type of woman your joystick is always happy to see? you need deliverance and serious prayers.


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Why is it a problem? Don't you want to have it all too?

Acidosis:
To counter the common Nairaland misinformation concerning a wife’s submission to her own husband, we should carefully note the following in Ephesians 5:22–24:

On-point and succinct submission Acidosis. Especially the point about misinformation. There is no gainsaying what the biblical commands for wives and husbands are - stated repeatedly . I wonder why there has been an inordinate amount of effort to deny that and even twist it?

No one is forced to live the Christian life, or it's outline for marriage. If one is unable or doesn't wish too, fine. But really, are clumsy and ignorant efforts to re-interpret the scriptures necessary? Just do the honest thing - as many do - and reject Christianity and the bible, if you find it's instructions unpalatable.

I also liked this; It's why I focus on marriage at entry. Very well said.

TooNoisy:
I think this is a good summary. God demands that a wife submit to her husband without any pre - conditions.
But I will add that women should marry men they can submit to. Some people will soon come out and ask - what if the man is irresponsible, useless or uneducated? My answer is - why should you marry a man you deem irresponsible , uneducated or useless? Why not wait for a man that has most of the qualities you want? As you lay your bed, na so you go lie on top am.
And submission does not mean you become a house help. It only means you honour, respect and protect him. It is ok to disagree with you husband and voice out your opinion. Nothing wrong with disagreeing with him. But please, don't go around bad - mouthing and gossiping about him. Don't insult or curse him to his face or behind him - that is not submission.

Funnily enough, no one disputes the injunction for men to love their wives? Or could it be that the incessant wrangling over submission simply stops the discussion from progressing that far .

It's also telling that it was Christianity that enjoined men to "love their wives". At the time, that was nothing short of revolutionary. Women were generally considered little more than chattel, and to actually love and treat them as equals, would have been unthinkable.

Also noteworthy is the fact that save for a few exceptions, wrapping the complementary distinctions of male and female, whilst at the same time treating husbands and wives as equals, is something that is only embedded in historical Christian societies.

Sadly, it is many of these societies, having essentially become "post-Christian", that are moving away from this creational sexual difference to something termed "gender-equality". We shall see how that goes, but some of us trust Gods word in the Bible and wish to live by it.

Here's to happy, solid, joyful, fulfilling and God-glorifying Christian marriages.


TV

its none of ur business how other couples run deir marriage.

All these baby husband wanting to eat their cakes and at the same time have it.
Love her as christ loved the church and died for her (na bible talkam). These are some of the things you should do for her and she would natural submit to you:
1. Correct her with love- stop being bossy all the time, no woman likes that.
2. Defend her from external forces(only when she is right).Remember as a married woman you are her voice.
3.Give her a sense of security-this is what every woman craves for in any relationship.
4.Try to seek her opinion on some, if not all matters.(we know that yours would finally be utilized). Just give her that sense of belonging. etc

Please and please STOP being bossy all the time. This wife's submission thing has really destroyed many of our men and marriages. Thank you @all.

Dahtsmoi:
its none of ur business how other couples run deir marriage.

Are you finding it difficult to submit?

This won't go down well with some