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lastmanstandn:
Buhari, Our National Interest and Court Orders
A step below President Buhari's present level of high-handedness only brings us back to the era of impunity that we voted Jonathan out for.
Nigerians are very forgetful of the past. Nigeria, under the watch of the Fmr President, could not successful keep terror suspects in custody because prosecutors failed to prepare a case. We had a system where court orders and injunctions stalled corruption cases and made a mockery of our fight to defeat corruption and insecurity across the country. This time, we have an executive that is willing to stretch its constitutional powers to keep Nigeria safe and recoup stolen fund, yet we're starting to paint the President as a dictator.

are detained for issues as trivial as traffic offence to keep them in custody while a stronger case is put together, why must Nigeria be different? Societies with strong intelligence communities engage whatever means is takes to keep terrorists and extremists out of circulation, must ours be different? Indeed, there are global concerns with regards to ethical issues in national security and intelligence activities of nations; developing countries should not be singled out as if we are the only ones involved in such. Indeed, the primary responsibility of government is to ensure its people live neither in fear of terrorism, external aggression nor poverty and other factors that undermine their peace and safety while it also sustains the fundamental rights of its people. However, many advanced nations have passed through periods of national crisis when liberties were exchanged for greater security, the balance between both being restored after such crisis, and Nigeria is at that point right now.

Within the last 10-15 years, advanced nations have defied international charters against enhanced interrogation techniques, illegal rendition, detention without trial and all sort of measures all for the sake of national security. We have not resorted to this yet you're starting to paint us as bad. We have not rendered our terror suspects to Niger, as you did render yours to Egypt for torture, we have not built illegal detention facilities in Chad, as you've done in Cuba, Kanu has not accused our security agents of subjecting him to waterboarding as you've done to many of yours, so what is the fury about? We understand you did what was necessary for the safety of innocent people, just as President Buhari is doing the same. Nnamdi Kanu's illegal entrance into the country with equipment for the purpose of undermining our national security is enough to get us worried, and get a responsible President to act.

On the NIMASA ex-DG and Arms thieves, I doubt if there is any law in Nigeria or anywhere in the world that restrains the authorities from re-arresting a suspect on different charges after he/she has been granted bail on others. Hence, we do not have to blame the President for identifying measures within our laws to use against corrupt public office holders just to keep them from jumping bail. We had a soft-spoken, gentle-looking President whose lame duck attitude cost us $2.1 billion meant for the war on terror and drove us where we are today, but we have moved on. Now we have a stronger, more willing leader in President Buhari and the best we can do is support him to do whatever is right and just to keep us on the path of prosperity and security again.

As Nigerians we must understand that security is a collective task that requires the mutual cooperation of every citizen, and the understanding that our liberties will not be compromised as long as we remain law abiding and do not act in ways that endanger others, as Dasuki Sambo and his partners are alleged to have done to our soldiers and our countrymen up North. We need to understand that a man that literally sneaked into the country using unconventional methods can sneak out using same methods; that we lack the intelligence capability to keep tabs on all suspects, and just like in past cases, corrupt public office holders may escape justice by choosing not to return to Nigeria if they are allowed to pursue whatever medical excuses abroad and extradition is not as easy as it appears. We are protected as law-abiding citizens, and we have in President Buhari what we have always desired, a strong man with great political will to frustrate corrupt public office holders, a step below President Buhari's present level of high-handedness only brings us back to the era of impunity.

@ijigbami

what is dis one saying? What is impunity? In case u don't knw, impunity is wen u swear to uphold d constitutn but select d part u want to uphold as buhari is doing by flounting d order of courts. Adherence to d rule of law as we witnessed under gej is not impunity if u're teachable. Why clamour 4 democracy wen what u wnt is military rule to promulgate decrees n set panels as parallel court.

anticabal1:
The Despot obviously won't finish his tenure. The pressure is coming hard, shaken, pressed down and running over.

Ndi Igbo jikere nihi na oke ikuku gafewe,osisi erubere ya isi

emerged01:
Happy new year wailing wailer

Same to you jare my lying liar!

Sincere9gerian:
Not surprised at all. All the current shenanigans called fight against corruption will lead to nowhere. For instance, since the commencement of the so called fight against corruption, the collection of #50 by police officers on the road has not reduced one bit. If anything, it's getting worse. Buhari is just fighting his political enemies. Nothing has changed.

#Truth

and many of d ppl singing corruptn song are those we scaled thru waec courtesy of special centers n are even ready to register their chindren 4 same. Shameless ppl.

arresa:
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Stop boring us with your rubbish..

Quit infantility and counter the damn stuff mehn!

omenka:
From the beginning, they said Nnamumudi Kalluu has nuclear weapons and would visit the country with one of them soon, killing every living being in it besides Biafrans- we didn't see as much as a fire cracker.

Then they said he cannot be arrested- we was.

Then they dared the State to keep him beyond two days- he's been in a dungeon for over two months.

Then they said Vladamir Putin has ordered his release- he remains in the dungeons!

Then they said a lawmaker in the UK wrote a petition to their parliament for his unconditional release- that was over a month ago, dude's still languishing in the dungeons.

Then they said David Cameron has ordered his release since he's a UK citizen otherwise they would go to war with Nigeria- DSS got offended and increased the liquidity of his beans meal.

Then they protested on the streets- it didn't change anything.

Then they gave an Ultimatum- it has since expired and NOTHING has happened.

Then they said only an Igbo President could calm them down- PDP zoned the presidency to the North!

Then they demanded 8billion bribe to stop their protests- not a penny has been given them and I doubt Baba would give any.

Now they've brought Washington post article- Na today?? Ask them about detainees at Guantanamo Bay.

Why take Nnamdi Kanu to court at all?
Why not just bring him before a military tribunal and sentence him to death? Why waste money feeding him?
Is Guantanamo Bay in the USA?

So what do you call the illegal execution of an American citizen on Yemeni soil. Or the continuous and illegal detention of citizens of several countries in Guatanamo Bay? And some have been freed after 11years in detention without trial.
When it comes to issues of national security, The law is sidelined.

DeviIhimself:
the thing that baffles me was how some bigots and igbo haters like TonyeBarcanista passingshot and other people keeps defending this calamity and impending anarchy claiming national security blah blah blah and i ask this question :

why are they been prosecuted by court at the initial stage why not just line them up and kill them or just trow them in jail without any court rule since it's a matter of national security.

again why respect the court order that says they should be remanded and disobey the one that said they should be released is that not a dictatorial behavior and disrespect to prestigious court worldwide.

infact why bringing the court at the initial stage since you can just eliminate them on the ground of national security.

and you see the so called intellectual defending this anachy all in the name of hate. well not suprised because hate and bigotry can kill an intellectual.
this anarchy will backfire one day and those in support will be the same people that will cry impunity.

Just imagine when all those sacked politicians refuses to vacate seat on court order hmmmm it won't be nice at all

I suggest u vent ur anger and frustration on some other issues. U want to tell me d@ if someone is arrested and charge to Court for stealing, and subsequently released on bail such a person is now immune to an arrest for another CRIME. See d law permits rearrest, d@s Y when u are discharged and acquitted on a case u can not be arrested on such a case again! Was kanu acquitted? Negative, was he arrested on charges d@ he was granted bail upon? Negative, so U see u gat no case. Just wait for d man to prove his innocences b4 d courts. If DSS wants to arrest and charge Him on one count at a time d@s their problem, d law dos not hinder them. Oh before U confuse me for Yoruba person, I'm actually from Benue State. I hv no problem with Kanu nd his folks far East, neither do I affiliate my self with d OPC in the West, its jst d@ d truth must be accepted.

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Being the devil's advocate: How should we release him? imagine, he had two passports which he came wit to Nigeria but yet he didn't use anyone at the embassy. is this not corruption. we can't release someone who has comited such atrocities. - PMB

Achuwa1:
Pmb is toeing the part of destruction by allowing fg agencies not to obey court orders & i think his advisers have failed to let him realise tht he is a president in a democratic government,not a president of a military govt.
. Mark my words,,,he will not finish his tenure with the part he is toeing,,do u know why ?...
because the senate will get fed up with his military system of govt,then gang up against him & impeach him or the wrath of God will fall on him..
i foresee him resisting impeachment & tht will lead to unrest,but will later calm down by the time osibanjo takes up the mantle of leadership coz God is watching.

go bcom pastor abeg, if u wan dey see vision 4090. aha

nwakibie3:
Since the judiciary is corrupt and their judgment based on the law cannot be obeyed, I think the PDP governors, PDP senators and house of Rep members that were sacked by the same judiciary that is corrupt should not obey the judgment and retain their seats. Yes naw

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asfrank:
I suggest u vent ur anger and frustration on some other issues. U want to tell me d@ if someone is arrested and charge to Court for stealing, and subsequently released on bail such a person is now immune to an arrest for another CRIME. See d law permits rearrest, d@s Y when u are discharged and acquitted on a case u can not be arrested on such a case again! Was kanu acquitted? Negative, was he arrested on charges d@ he was granted bail upon? Negative, so U see u gat no case. Just wait for d man to prove his innocences b4 d courts. If DSS wants to arrest and charge Him on one count at a time d@s their problem, d law dos not hinder them. Oh before U confuse me for Yoruba person, I'm actually from Benue State. I hv no problem with Kanu nd his folks far East, neither do I affiliate my self with d OPC in the West, its jst d@ d truth must be accepted.

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Rubbish this is why I said that nairaland is full of people blinded by hate which makes them twist facts to suit their own bigot ways.

ok it's not about national security now
the high Court Judge granted kanu an unconditional release and i ask you did kanu got re-aressted or did dss controlled by the executive bluntly refused to obey the court order? .

answer that or forever shut up your buccal cavity there

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cheruv:
Quit infantility and counter the damn stuff mehn!

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Infantility is me wasting my time on unintelligent ramblings by you and your kind..

These foreign media and their Nigerian collaborators need to be reminded that local Issues only need local solutions. PMB knows what Nigerians can do. If DSP could jump bail in far away UK, we don't need any prophet to tell us these criminals will jump bail once released.$2.2bn is a lot of money and it contibuted a great deal to the current financial mess the country is into. The judiciary has long been compromised. This is a country where petty thiefs are sentenced to life imprisonment without an option of fine and one who stole trillions is just told to pay N200 million and set free. We can not continue like this. U don't keep doing something the same way and expect a different result. They need to be adequately punished to serve as a lesson to other looters and criminals in the country.

lastmanstandn:
Buhari, Our National Interest and Court Orders
A step below President Buhari's present level of high-handedness only brings us back to the era of impunity that we voted Jonathan out for.
Nigerians are very forgetful of the past. Nigeria, under the watch of the Fmr President, could not successful keep terror suspects in custody because prosecutors failed to prepare a case. We had a system where court orders and injunctions stalled corruption cases and made a mockery of our fight to defeat corruption and insecurity across the country. This time, we have an executive that is willing to stretch its constitutional powers to keep Nigeria safe and recoup stolen fund, yet we're starting to paint the President as a dictator.

Kanu is a threat to our national security. In advanced societies, suspects are detained for issues as trivial as traffic offence to keep them in custody while a stronger case is put together, why must Nigeria be different? Societies with strong intelligence communities engage whatever means is takes to keep terrorists and extremists out of circulation, must ours be different? Indeed, there are global concerns with regards to ethical issues in national security and intelligence activities of nations; developing countries should not be singled out as if we are the only ones involved in such. Indeed, the primary responsibility of government is to ensure its people live neither in fear of terrorism, external aggression nor poverty and other factors that undermine their peace and safety while it also sustains the fundamental rights of its people. However, many advanced nations have passed through periods of national crisis when liberties were exchanged for greater security, the balance between both being restored after such crisis, and Nigeria is at that point right now.

Within the last 10-15 years, advanced nations have defied international charters against enhanced interrogation techniques, illegal rendition, detention without trial and all sort of measures all for the sake of national security. We have not resorted to this yet you're starting to paint us as bad. We have not rendered our terror suspects to Niger, as you did render yours to Egypt for torture, we have not built illegal detention facilities in Chad, as you've done in Cuba, Kanu has not accused our security agents of subjecting him to waterboarding as you've done to many of yours, so what is the fury about? We understand you did what was necessary for the safety of innocent people, just as President Buhari is doing the same. Nnamdi Kanu's illegal entrance into the country with equipment for the purpose of undermining our national security is enough to get us worried, and get a responsible President to act.

On the NIMASA ex-DG and Arms thieves, I doubt if there is any law in Nigeria or anywhere in the world that restrains the authorities from re-arresting a suspect on different charges after he/she has been granted bail on others. Hence, we do not have to blame the President for identifying measures within our laws to use against corrupt public office holders just to keep them from jumping bail. We had a soft-spoken, gentle-looking President whose lame duck attitude cost us $2.1 billion meant for the war on terror and drove us where we are today, but we have moved on. Now we have a stronger, more willing leader in President Buhari and the best we can do is support him to do whatever is right and just to keep us on the path of prosperity and security again.

As Nigerians we must understand that security is a collective task that requires the mutual cooperation of every citizen, and the understanding that our liberties will not be compromised as long as we remain law abiding and do not act in ways that endanger others, as Dasuki Sambo and his partners are alleged to have done to our soldiers and our countrymen up North. We need to understand that a man that literally sneaked into the country using unconventional methods can sneak out using same methods; that we lack the intelligence capability to keep tabs on all suspects, and just like in past cases, corrupt public office holders may escape justice by choosing not to return to Nigeria if they are allowed to pursue whatever medical excuses abroad and extradition is not as easy as it appears. We are protected as law-abiding citizens, and we have in President Buhari what we have always desired, a strong man with great political will to frustrate corrupt public office holders, a step below President Buhari's present level of high-handedness only brings us back to the era of impunity.

@ijigbami

your tory long but worth to read

Imagine o..Quoting Kanu a terrorist...

Bubewilson:
Can someone pls define a terrorist.

U can detaine Dasuki or whatsover the thief is called but we give u january to release Kanu or....

DeviIhimself:
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Rubbish this is why I said that nairaland is full of people blinded by hate which makes them twist facts to suit their own bigot ways.

ok it's not about national security now
the high Court Judge granted kanu an unconditional release and i ask you did kanu got re-aressted or did dss controlled by the executive bluntly refused to obey the court order? .

answer that or forever shut up your buccal cavity there

Haha!! If those in favour of Kanu's ordeal are blind by hate and such cannot make informed judgement on issues relating to him, then it can be well asserted that most of who are loyal to his course are blinded by lust for self determination. Well for me, I gain absolutely nothing from his ordeal, I listened to Kanu's speech in US, just once nd then I said to my self, is it the type of person any sane nigerian would run down streets for? U d'nt just wage WAR!! Haba, I'm sure u guys know this, u first examine the cost and benefit, all this things apply in other aspects of life not just in the shop, u guys were happy when he was making all sort of noise, throwing comments here and there, where were U d@ u did not bring him to order or at least try other ways of self determination? U thought he was right? Oh yes, because of love, he is always right. Well in that case I would say I hate him, but to be honest with U I do not give a single concern whether he roams d street free, or has been kept behind bars. I d'nt know Y, National Security or Not, DSS determine when and on what grounds to arrest him. If u people think the DSS went against court orders then Kanu has a team of Lawyers, let them take up the case, it surprise me that even the ones that know d law are not even saying anything, its the laymen that claims to know what is what. A coin has Two faces, its about everything, treason nd national security, can u separate them? If u can, tell me.

Dis daura man no go change

Scam

Curlieweed:
First, Gitmo isn't technically part of the US. That's the reason the detainees were kept there. It creates the required environment to keep them in legal limbo (or purgatory if you want).

Secondly, none of the Gitmo detainee is a US citizen.

In this case these people are Nigerians held on Nigerian soil but some criminals in power refuse to obey the simple principles of separation of powers and the rule of law. You can't enforce the law by breaking the law. That kind of arbitrary abuse of power is a pure recipe for anarchy .

I'm not in anyway surprised by all this. Anybody could have predicted that the Mumuharri , the Daura President is too daft to understand how an orderly modern society works.

Enjoy your change ! E no concern me.

Pls educate the douchbag

Tolexander:
Everyone has a right to say what ever pleases one.

I still remember Guantanamo bay, has it been finally closed down by US?

Guatanamo bay had a basis in law covering its existence. The question people like you should answer is where does this tyrant derive the power to flout the 1999 constitution which he swore to uphold. Nigeria is indeed headed for crisis with this tyrant because the same constitution that gives him authority to preside, has not given him the authority to undermine other arms of governement irrespective of whatever case he claims to have against the accused.

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asfrank:
Haha!! If those in favour of Kanu's ordeal are blind by hate and such cannot make informed judgement on issues relating to him, then it can be well asserted that most of who are loyal to his course are blinded by lust for self determination. Well for me, I gain absolutely nothing from his ordeal, I listened to Kanu's speech in US, just once nd then I said to my self, is it the type of person any sane nigerian would run down streets for? U d'nt just wage WAR!! Haba, I'm sure u guys know this, u first examine the cost and benefit, all this things apply in other aspects of life not just in the shop, u guys were happy when he was making all sort of noise, throwing comments here and there, where were U d@ u did not bring him to order or at least try other ways of self determination? U thought he was right? Oh yes, because of love, he is always right. Well in that case I would say I hate him, but to be honest with U I do not give a single concern whether he roams d street free, or has been kept behind bars. I d'nt know Y, National Security or Not, DSS determine when and on what grounds to arrest him. If u people think the DSS went against court orders then Kanu has a team of Lawyers, let them take up the case, it surprise me that even the ones that know d law are not even saying anything, its the laymen that claims to know what is what. A coin has Two faces, its about everything, treason nd national security, can u separate them? If u can, tell me.

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trash trash trash you ended up talking trash because you know that the only truth here is that bullharry has destroyed the judiciary

omenka:
How many Gitmo inmates has the government of US released on orders from her courts?? As a matter of fact, how many of the inmates have seen the insides of a court room since detention??

Nnamumudi Kalluu will rot in jail like those terrorists in Gitmo and heavens won't fall, just like it didn't in the US.

more than 600 inmates has been released according New York post. Do your research.

arresa:
He was granted bail and was rearrested based on new criminal charges filed in the same court that granted him bail so what's your point really?

Honor was given to the court because he's not under arrest based on the facts already set aside by the judge that necessitated the bail.

He's still under arrest based on new criminal charges so his lawyers are free to seek another bail hearing and options.

And where were those charges @ first? Why should we have to start beating around the bush again. No concrete evidence yet you accuse them of crime and unlawfully and without moral detain people. They would go to court now and then they would free this people and then the cycle again. Please does that make any sense to you?

With this we wouldn't be a Third World Country anymore instead we would be Fifth World Country.

Its 2016, pls turn a new leaf.

Timbuktou:
So, did he present this TC document?

Ofcos.how did you think he got on the plane from. London? The FG making that statement are clever cos they knew it was true that he came with no.passport as they could not find one one the system.

erico2k2:
Ofcos.how did you think he got on the plane from. London? The FG making that statement are clever cos they knew it was true that he came with no.passport as they could not find one one the system.

He could have got on the plane with a forged passport under a pseudo name. Nobody knows for certain how he presented the TC or fake passport upon boarding. Unless you're saying you can verify his travel arrangements.

Timbuktou:
He could have got on the plane with a forged passport under a pseudo name. Nobody knows for certain how he presented the TC or fake passport upon boarding. Unless you're saying you can verify his travel arrangements.

Guy in the UK? Why would he take the pain to forge a passport when the TC is almost free?all U need is a police report that you lost your bag containing x and u get it.

erico2k2:
Guy in the UK? Why would he take the pain to forge a passport when the TC is almost free?all U need is a police report that you lost your bag containing x and u get it.

Well, Kanu is free to raise that in his defence. Right now both sides are trying to outsmart each other.

When it is percieved that you don't do justice as a leader, very soon you will provoke your subjects and you will be consumed by your own injustice to fellow man.

etebefia:
i am not suprise at buhari's refusal to court orders, however i am suprise at the level of illetracy among some Nigerians who are so happy with this, it might be dusuki and kanu today, who knows whom it will be tomorrow.

So long his action is for the common good, an average Nigerian who is tired of corruption melding with the progress of this great nation, would not give a damn and neither do I.
Buhari will do any necessary, I mean whatever it will take to see to it that these looters don't go unpunished. Now, that's the president I voted for...
And you don't tell me nothing about "Democracy" no country in the world practice true Democracy, not even USA, so give me a break!

Nice one sir buhari,a president must be in charge-if a president does not take charge,the nation's security and welfare will be in jeopardy.