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Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by Nobody: 12:29pm On Jan 01, 2016 |
malvisguy212: Your answer seems like a no to me. You're claiming that God has given us no right as humans to punish someone when they've done something wrong ? Yes or no ? 1 Like |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by tonero63: 12:48pm On Jan 01, 2016 |
I think it should be the goal of every Nigerian to be tolerant reguardless of their religious beliefs. Thus Muslims and Mosques should be allowed, in an effort to promote tolerance.... This is also why i propose if a mosque is built, that two night clubs be opened next door to the mosque that way we make sure we are promoting the tolerance from within the mosque... Hell one of the clubs can be a strip club and we can call it "The Turban Cowboy" the other club can be a topless joint and be called the "You Mecca Me Hot".... while we are at it, who wants to open up a bucher shop that specializes in pork products? Get it to be a joint venture with a restaurant to serve your products and call it "Iraq of Ribs"..... but why stop there? theres gotta be room for a lingerie store, we will call "Victoria Keeps Nothing Secret" with sexy mannequins in all the windows showing it all!!! There might even be room for a Liquor store, hows "Morehammered" sound!?! I like it, and all of this would encourage Muslims to demonstrate the same tolerance they demand of us! Its a Win Win 1 Like |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by Empiree: 1:22pm On Jan 01, 2016 |
yetunsbay:lol |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by Empiree: 1:25pm On Jan 01, 2016 |
malvisguy212:What's all these bs?. Covenant is not Law. |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by malvisguy212: 3:33pm On Jan 01, 2016 |
YourMain:you are mixing the moral law of God and our civil law. |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by Nobody: 10:49pm On Jan 01, 2016 |
YourMain:Your questions are thought provoking. I can however answer the part where you ask why God would become man. Well as a lay Catholic I can say in simple terms that it would be easier for you if you would learn these Christian basics: original justice, original sin/ancestral sin, sanctifying grace etc. The Christian teaching is that Adam and Eve were created perfect but rebelled against God thus depriving themselves of their original justice and ending human friendship with God. To restore the original justice of man, the Son had to become like a second Adam so that man could once again be filled with sanctifying grace. I will expand with the teachings of the doctors of the Church when I get time. Meanwhile if you have any questions, objections etc feel free to fire away. |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by Nobody: 10:53pm On Jan 01, 2016 |
And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and
said to them, “Let him who is without sin among
you be the first to throw a stone at her.” |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by Nobody: 1:33am On Jan 02, 2016 |
Papist: Mhm I get what you're saying. My problem is if Adam and Eve were created perfect then how could they have sinned to begin with ? Unless God knew they going to sin and actually wanted them to do it. ( obviously God is the all knowing ). So what was the essence of killing yourself to bring back the original justice you wanted gone in the first place ? If you get my point. And when you say ending all friendship with God, does that mean everyone before the time of Jesus is going to hell ? Good or bad ? No offence it sounds very very ridiculous that someone died for our sins. Does that mean I can do whatever I want now knowing that technically someone has already died for my sins so I'm all good ? Thank you. For answering my questions |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by Nobody: 1:34am On Jan 02, 2016 |
malvisguy212: No I'm not. The bible asks you to punish your child when they do wrong. Even by beating. But your child is a human that has sinned and so are you. Where is the " let who without sin cast the stone first" coming in here ? |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by Nobody: 3:28am On Jan 02, 2016 |
YourMain: I admire your mind frame sis, you have patience. Please continue a lot of the things you're inquisitive about are those I wanna understand. You dig Well anyway kontinue pls |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by Nobody: 3:39am On Jan 02, 2016 |
YourMain: A child is being disciplined by their elderly. The point they can't get over is shria law. The beheading of an adulterous is often misunderstood. The teaching is "It is BETTER for you to sacrifice YOURSELF THAN meet your Lord after adultery." If this Law was in place a lot of homes would be saved. It is a voluntary act and no Man doesn't Sentence you to death (unless said man and four other sane men witnessed the act of adultery(sex)) you sentence yourself to death. As Ibrahim (A.S) would have done... But back to topic so I can't condemn a pedo because I steal? Come on now. Religion should be based on wisdom. That's why I'm so attracted to ISLAM. 2 Likes |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by malvisguy212: 7:39am On Jan 02, 2016 |
YourMain:spear not the rod meaning you must teach your child good moral behavior, use your common sense, I cannot write a 2HD on a 3HD screen. Their are Law in place to dealt with crime,everyone knows the measure of this crime. any parents who commit the same sin their children commit ,they wast no time in condemning Their children, they are hypocrites. Biblical speaking, Jesus was dealing with hypocrites who hide their sins but are in a hurry to condemned others. ‘Do not commit adultery,’ do you commit adultery?” . In other words, no person is qualified to call attention to another’s sin when that individual is in the ongoing practice of the same sin. Again, as Jesus previously declared, “Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother’s eye” (Matthew 7:5). |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by Nobody: 7:48am On Jan 02, 2016 |
malvisguy212: So you mean to tell me, every single person in Jesus' time, was an aldutress ? Wow. Lol obviously it's good moral behaviour to punish a aldutress as well no ? Why didn't Jesus also tell us to "let those without sin cast the stone first" when it came to every other sin. I'm sure a lot parents have lied in their lifetime, they probably still tell white lies here and there, and I'm sure they don't ask forgiveness for every lie. So why are they to spare not the rod then when you lie ? They are a sinner, you are a sinner. It's the exact same sin. 1 Like |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by Nobody: 7:54am On Jan 02, 2016 |
Nubian113: Lol. I agree! Religion should be based on wisdom. It sounds so so so ridiculous. Exactly! Clearly the point Jesus was trying to make wasn't that we as humans cannot input a law whereby we can punish wrongdoings. |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by malvisguy212: 8:06am On Jan 02, 2016 |
YourMain:who was the woman accusers ? Luke 11:46 "Woe to you as well, experts in the law!" He replied. "You weigh men down with heavy burdens, but you yourselves will not lift a finger to lighten their load. |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by Nobody: 8:08am On Jan 02, 2016 |
YourMain:Adam and Eve were created perfect but chose to disobey God just as Satan and his fallen angels freely chose disobedience. God in the Christian teaching does not impose himself on humanity but gives man the freedom to obey or reject him so God intended for man to be perfect. As those who died before Christ or those who die without being Christians through no fault of theirs, their salvation is up to God. That is my layman's understanding. As for the reason why Christ became Man, died and resurrected I'll quote a small part from the Cathechism of the Catholic Church: Sick, our nature demanded to be healed; fallen, to be raised up; dead, to rise again. We had lost the possession of the good; it was necessary for it to be given back to us. Closed in the darkness, it was necessary to bring us the light; captives, we awaited a Savior; prisoners, help; slaves, a liberator. Are these things minor or insignificant? Did they not move God to descend to human nature and visit it, since humanity was in so miserable and unhappy a state? 71 |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by Nobody: 8:23am On Jan 02, 2016 |
Papist: So does that mean we do things without Gods knowledge ? God knows we're going to sin. God knew Adam and Eve would sin. God wanted them to sin, if he didn't they wouldn't do it. God knows every time we are going to sin and he can stop it. Doesn't that sound more sensible than killing yourself to die for sins ? The fact that we're given free will proves that God doesn't want us to be perfect. If he did he would have created us perfect. And in that case would never have had to die. Well in that case will God descended in any time soon ? With the unhappy state of the world. Or why hasn't God come around during World War One or World War Two ? Or the amount of children dying in those poor countries ? Are we not unhappy enough for God no ? |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by Nobody: 8:25am On Jan 02, 2016 |
malvisguy212: Lol. Obviously as humans were allowed to punish someone according to their crime as long as it's just. |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by BETATRON(m): 8:39am On Jan 02, 2016 |
malvisguy212:lol..with you own sense of reasoning now..which do you prefer...adultery and all other crimes going unpunished hence resulting to "illegal" children,spreading of std's,and increasing the rate of abortion--as we see in our world today---and also inciting the youth to indulge in this act since no one is punishing does who indulge in them. That is allowing this criminals to enjoy the so called GRACE and allow such evil to flourish Or punishing them and using them as scape goats to the community and hence reducing "illegal" children,reducing the rate of abortion,and reducing the spread of std's 1 Like |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by Annunaki(m): 12:42pm On Jan 02, 2016 |
Nubian113: You honestly think there is any wisdom in islam? |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by Empiree: 12:47pm On Jan 02, 2016 |
YourMain:malvisguy212 doesnt understand @underlined. |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by Nobody: 1:39pm On Jan 02, 2016 |
Annunaki: So much so it sounds crazy glad_tidings_2_the_strangers |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by Sheyin1997: 1:47pm On Jan 02, 2016 |
this issue is serious.... Pls why not make peace |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by Annunaki(m): 4:21pm On Jan 02, 2016 |
Nubian113: I think you need to see a shrink Or better still you need deliverance |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by yetunsbay(m): 10:01pm On Jan 02, 2016 |
Annunaki:la illaha illa Lahu Muhammad rosullulah (SAW) 1 Like |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by Nobody: 2:43am On Jan 03, 2016 |
Annunaki: Ok. And you need basic respect and manners. Good luck on your life's journey on finding them. Better yet ask J I take refuge from your kind. Adulilaaahi Mina shaytaaan a-rajiiiiiiiiim. |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by malvisguy212: 9:36am On Jan 03, 2016 |
Nubian113:what is the glad tiding muhammed bring ? Their is NO verse in the quran that promote unconditional love for both the believers and the unbelievers , if their is any, I challenge any muslims to bring forth it, the quran say allah hate sinners . In the bible, God first love us before He send his only son to die for us, it is the lust of the flesh that is attracting you not the word of God, the plan of salvation islam, deny it, can you boasts of your holiness is sufficient to make heaven ? How is the remission of sin done in islam ? I created a thread for this and the muslims complained that the thread be close, let me just give you some here. Surah 4:30-31, Whoso doeth that (evil deeds) through aggression and injustice, We shall cast him into Fire, and that is ever easy for Allah. If ye AVOID THE GREAT (THINGS) WHICH YE ARE FORBIDDEN, We will remit from you your evil deeds and make you enter at a noble gate. Satanic deception. This clearly implies that Allah will only send you to hell for great sins. Small sins, like lusting over a belly dancer will be ignored, you just have to avoid the great sin . Koran, Sura 6:120, Forsake the outwardness of sin and the inwardness thereof. Lo! those who garner sin will be awarded that which they have earned. So there is Hell to pay for great sins, but the small sins will be overlooked if the great ones are not committed. We also see that sin is to be forsaken, is this the glad tiding you are talking about ? Surah 72:21: Say, “I possess no power to harm you, nor to guide you.” (Khalifa) Do you really understand the gravity of Muhammad’s statement when he said, “I possess no power to guide you” or “to bring you to the Right Path”? Is it not a prophet’s duty to guide the congregation of God to the “Right Path”? Can you now depend on this man to guide you to salvation? Would it be wise for you to do so? |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by Bosch10(m): 9:52am On Jan 03, 2016 |
YourMain:You just acted in a responsible way.Give ur life to christ today and he will redeem your soul from hell. 1 Like |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by malvisguy212: 9:54am On Jan 03, 2016 |
Nubian113:God has already find us, isn't it wonderful that God the son incarnate in the flesh just to have a special relationship with His creatures ? Christianity is not a religion, is a way of life, the disciples never use the word christians to call their self, why ? Because the substance is not in the word, is in the heart. It was the pagan who first call the apostles christians because the apostles do not followed the commercial world of the pagan, what is the purpose of creating humans and then set up a religion to find God ? Even your parents will not do this after given birth to you,set up a pattern for you to follow or hate you. Islam claims they believe in Jesus, can you go to the mosque and call the name of Jesus? Surah 3:55: Behold! God said: “O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee of the falsehoods of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee SUPERIOR to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection.” (Yusuf Ali, Original 1938) Those who follow Jesus are Christians. And the Qur’an states very clearly that they will be made superior until “the Day of Resurrection.” The Day of Resurrection or Qiyamah will occur at the time of the end. This means that, according to the Qur’an, even at this very moment true Christians are in an exulted position as far their worship is concerned. If Christians are made superior until the Day of Resurrection as the Qur’an itself testifies, where do you think will be their final destination? |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by malvisguy212: 10:16am On Jan 03, 2016 |
yetunsbay:who is Allah debating here ? No doubt is the 360 idols in kabba, there is no gods but allah and muhammed is his prophet. Muhammed is the only prophet of allah. AN OPEN LETTER TO SINCERE MUSLIMS If you strongly believe that Muhammad can guide you to gain eternal salvation, please consider the following confessions of Muhammad in the Qur’an: Surah 46:9: “Say: I am not the first of the apostles, and I do not know what will be done with me or with you: I do not follow anything but that which is revealed to me, and I am nothing but a plain warner.” (Shakir) Surah 6:50: (Muhammad), tell them, “I do not claim to have all the treasures of God in my hands, nor to know the unseen, nor do I claim to be an angel. I follow only what is revealed to me (from God).” Say to them, “Are the blind and the seeing equal?” Why then do you not think? (Sarwar) Surah 7:188: Say: “I have no power over any good or harm to myself except as Allah wills. If I had knowledge of the unseen, I should have multiplied all good, and no evil could have touched me: I am only a Warner, and a bringer of glad tidings to those who have Faith (in Allah).” Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 459: Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle used to invoke (Allah): “(O Allah) I seek refuge with you from the punishment in the grave and from the punishment in the HELL FIRE and from the afflictions of life and death, and the afflictions of Al- Masih Ad-Dajjal.” Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 455: Narrated By Asma’ bint Abi Bakr: Allah’s Apostle once stood up delivering a sermon and mentioned the trial which people will face in the grave. When he mentioned that, the Muslims started shouting loudly. Please reflect on the assurance that Muhammad gave his early followers. Muhammad left them with a very gloomy future threatening over them. Although Muhammad was unsure of the future, he was certain about one thing. The destiny of all Muslims – including yours. Surah 19:71: It is the inevitable decree of your Lord that every one of you will be taken to Hell. (Sarwar) Dear Muslims this is the destination that Allah and Muhammad have left for you. Now consider the assurance that Jesus gave his disciples: John 5:24: Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes in Him who sent me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. John 14:6: Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 11:25: Jesus said to her: “I am the resurrection and the life. He that exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life. John 6:40: For this is the will of my Father, that everyone that beholds the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him at the last day.” Matthew 11:28: Come to me, all you who are heavy burden and loaded down, and I will give you rest. |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by Annunaki(m): 10:29am On Jan 03, 2016 |
Nubian113: The 'wisdom' is evidenced in 1,400 years of chaos and violence which has ceased to end to this day since the inception of islam. Satan would really be proud of mohamed's legacy. |
Re: Bitter Truth About Islam, It Growing Numbers And It Headache by Nobody: 11:41am On Jan 03, 2016 |
Bosch10: Lool really ? But he gave his life to Christ too and he's very rude... 1 Like |
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